Why would you want them to spend two more high draft picks on OL if their ability to assess talent sucks? You want more busts? Building a statuary?
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Texans Offensive Line
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badboy
Hall of Fame
You think defensive tackle is our number one priority?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I’ve been extremely disappointed with Tunsil, Howard, and Mason. Caserio should cut his losses when possible. Howard and Mason after June 1st in 2025. Tunsil can go after June 1st 2026. I don’t think the Texans could much for any of these three in a trade so why bother.
It’s nice to see the Notre Dame duo (Patterson & Fisher) stepping up to be the Texans best current hope for building a future OL around. It would be nice if Scruggs had an outstanding off-season and came into 2025 looking like the OL he could’ve been.
It’s nice to see the Notre Dame duo (Patterson & Fisher) stepping up to be the Texans best current hope for building a future OL around. It would be nice if Scruggs had an outstanding off-season and came into 2025 looking like the OL he could’ve been.
Patterson is struggling imo.
Mason is struggling. Tunsil & Howard have been playing the Tackle position very well. Well enough to keep because the guy you replace them with most likely won't play as well (I think Fisher is doing a good job, but it's not guarantee he'll play as consistently good as Howard has at Tackle).
The Tackles have been the only decent part of our line all season.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Blake Fisher was drafted to be a replacement for someone on this OL...the questions are who and when?
They may have every intention of keeping Howard at Guard.
OKC_Texan
Waterboy
If we can sign TWO quality interior lineman then I believe our next priority Isa receiver and DT via the draft.
What do you think?
I hope we can find a quality coach who can develop young offensive linemen.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
badboy
Hall of Fame
The next two games are going to firm up my thoughts. If Titus Howard continues as he has at left guard, I can see him being the starter there in 2025 with Fisher replacing him at right tackle. I want Howard gone but not what I see happening. I do understand the concern that Fisher may not be ready but I think he will be.
Need 1. Wr we need two but another day 3.
Need 2 safety
Need 3 corner
Need 4 offensive guard hopefully to start right guard ; replaces Mason at some point.
Need 5 running back.
I see several players that can fill these needs .
Nick trades 1.20 to LVR for their round two and both round threes.
2a Wr Trey Harris I think he could possibly be the best wide receiver in the draft and has great comparisons including Brian Thomas, Odunze and Drake London.
2b Jahdae Barron CB/safety/subpackage LB and Nickleback day one starter if needed at any of these positions.
3a DT/nose Alfred Collins not a priority but a need and man is he good!
3b LT/OG Charles Grant replaces Mason during season but LT in future. 98 PB and RB.
3c Edge/DL Jordan Burch 8.5 sacks 6 passes broken up. Could be a JJ Watt type.
4 OC Jake Majors may be better than Patterson and calls line plays for the Longhorns.
5. RB Dylan Sampson workhorse and clean injury history despite his load. Amazing stats.
6. No pick.. yet
7. Wr/returner Barion Brown dude is crazy fast with good routes and separation. My version of Isaiah Bond.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Sure but is it possible?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If this was the course of action; I’m simply going to give Colts All Pro Center the money he needs to change teams as an UFA. This gives me the feeling, there would be a fighting chance going into next season…and CJ could feel strong enough to regain his confidence. This OL could look like this:
LT- Tunsil
LG- Howard
OC- Ryan Kelly
RG- Patterson
RT- Fisher
I believe, Kelly could QB and be the new leader of this OL.
This also allows the Texans to pick up another developmental OT later in the draft.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You know i wasn't with you on getting Kelly, but i've changed my tune. Everything that can be done needs to be done to get this line shored up for next year. Don't think Patterson is a fit at guard tho. Nor Howard at guard.
OKC_Texan
Waterboy
Good point. How can every OL drafted underperform? Common denominator. Coach.
ghostlight
Veteran
While there is a discussion of shuffling existing players, I see a 1st round pick going to the best available OT or get the best guard Tyler Booker from Alabama. That would be a piece for the future that produces day one. As mentioned in another post we could look to trade Tunsil or Howard if we go OT in first round. Oh yes and a credited new OL coach!
badboy
Hall of Fame
If you are going to cut or trade Howard, it needs to be with a post June 1st designation or a post June 1st trade or the dead money will be huge.
ghostlight
Veteran
yes it should be done before the draft with a 1st for Tunsil and 3rd for Howard without giving them away.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Just to clarify, if you trade Howard before draft; savings is less than $4 million with dead money already guaranteed to him at $19.3 million. I am not saying do not do that as a third round pick especially higher [Bears 71 ish] could be very good. However, if you have a chance at free agent Trey Smith, 14.2 million designating Howard as a post June 1 would go a long ways towards Smith.
I also think it would be difficult to get a round one pick for Tunsil. Not saying he is not worth that, I just think those teams needing a left tackle will address it in the draft.
Trade our 1.19 to LVR for their round two and both 3s.
Howard cut and adding to the $14 million savings to get OG Smith.
Plain as day the Texans IOL is in desperate need of attention so we're going to trade away both starting Tackles.
TheRealJoker V2
Veteran
And for what Howard is getting paid he better enjoy it! I get tired of hearing stories of how he doesn’t want to play guard and Slowik is thanking him in press conferences. The OL sucks, you are part of it and getting paid very well. Do what is best for the team.
Seth Payne said it best: Bruce Mathews and Larry Allen never complained about playing any position on the OL. They just dominated wherever they were told to line up.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
IMO, to start to fixing the OL for next year, the team needs to decide on the offensive coordinator first whether it's Slo or someone else. Then find a new o-line coach who understands what the offense is based on and has a good track record. I'd like to see that solidified before chiming in on potential player changes.
TheRealJoker V2
Veteran
Coach and scheme is important. Having Warhop/Hamilton in the gap scheme made the Texans choose Kenyon Green instead of a 10 year starter at center (in a zone scheme) in Linderbaum.
ghostlight
Veteran
Yes sir, the fact we allowed Linderbaum to get away really PO’d me
That is the best year I've ever seen for offensive linemen !
OKC_Texan
Waterboy
As of last week PFF rated our line #28 in the league, FWIW. From PFF:
LG Tytus Howard
C Jarrett Patterson
RG Kendrick Green
RT Blake Fisher
Right guard Shaq Mason was inactive for Houston’s Week 17 game against Baltimore and was replaced by Kendrick Green, whose 71.7 PFF run-blocking grade paced the Texans' offensive linemen.
Houston's offensive line gave up 12 pressures — including three sacks — on 38 pass plays in the loss to the Ravens, leading to a 26th-ranked 80.3 PFF pass-blocking efficiency rating.
28. Houston Texans (No change)
Projected Week 18 starters:
LT Laremy TunsilLG Tytus Howard
C Jarrett Patterson
RG Kendrick Green
RT Blake Fisher
Right guard Shaq Mason was inactive for Houston’s Week 17 game against Baltimore and was replaced by Kendrick Green, whose 71.7 PFF run-blocking grade paced the Texans' offensive linemen.
Houston's offensive line gave up 12 pressures — including three sacks — on 38 pass plays in the loss to the Ravens, leading to a 26th-ranked 80.3 PFF pass-blocking efficiency rating.
Best player: Laremy Tunsil
Tunsil did not allow a single pressure against Baltimore, and his resulting 90.9 PFF pass-blocking grade led all offensive linemen in Week 17.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I was surprised that Scruggs was at Right Guard rather than Kendrick green
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think most of us are ready to see offensive line coach Strausser go. Any thoughts on the Texans Longhorn offensive line coach and offensive coordinator coming here to replace Strausser? I know the Longhorns are averaging around 34 points a game. I am not advocating for him to be offensive coordinator.
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zshawn10
All Pro
NFL Offensive Line Rankings 2024: Insights Into All 32 OLs Entering the Super Bowl
Our NFL Offensive Line rankings break down all 32 units using our OL+ metric. Where do the Chiefs and Eagles rank ahead of Super Bowl 59?
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Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I questioned if this individual even watched 1 of the Texans games this year. There were 2 truly “disastrous” games this year..GB and the Jets games…Kenyon made his presence ….or lack thereof ..very much known in those games.NFL Offensive Line Rankings 2024: Insights Into All 32 OLs Entering the Super Bowl
Our NFL Offensive Line rankings break down all 32 units using our OL+ metric. Where do the Chiefs and Eagles rank ahead of Super Bowl 59?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
NFL Offensive Line Rankings 2024: Insights Into All 32 OLs Entering the Super Bowl
Our NFL Offensive Line rankings break down all 32 units using our OL+ metric. Where do the Chiefs and Eagles rank ahead of Super Bowl 59?
Also, did this review include studying the receiver routes? When I got some good camera views from the backfield out, receivers were running long routes with tight coverage. Every time some of brought up shorter routes or routes over the middle, the offense typically started to click…..for some odd ball reason, Slowick refused to maintain or increase this type of attack. Maybe, CJ should’ve put more passes off the back of his receivers helmets to prevent holding the ball too long, as he awaited them to break containment. Sure, CJ missed some passes but he was also giving his receivers every opportunity to break free, but his pocket alarm was going off before anything positive was going on downfield in many, many situations.
Slowick is out and many of us are hoping the OL is addressed. As I’ve mentioned before, get it right and CJ will be just fine.
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I have tried to stay away from the draft .... I end up sounding like a broken record. While I do not think our offensive line is benefitting from our coaching, I don't think they can be "coached up" to a level that can be competitive .... I don't think they have the physical talent, ( with the exception of the jumper), needed to play up to a level that will even protect the talented playmakers behind them. The fact is .... we don't have enough draft picks to fix the problem. In addition to lineman, we need IDL, DB, (2)-WRs, RB, TE .... We don't have nearly enough picks !! ...... We're Gonna Need a Bigger Boat !
Texansballer74
The Marine
badboy
Hall of Fame
Exactly and I do not know why others are trying to relegate him to a backup role.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If Booker falls to 25….it finishes the potential starting 5 for 2025.
LT- Tunsil
LG- Booker (Alabama )
OC- Patterson
RG- Scruggs
RT- Fisher
OT- Jack Nelson (Wisconsin)
OL- Marcus Wehr (Montana State)
OT- Thomas
OT- Broeker
OT- Thomas
OT- Deculus
OG- Green, Kendrick
OG- Green, Kenyon
OG- Henderson
badboy
Hall of Fame
I will be very surprised if Tytus Howard is not our starting left guard this season.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I’m more excited about the idea of what Howard and Mason give the team financially after June 1st versus another season of hoping they’ll finally become the player(s) they were drafted/signed to be.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Oh sure, I have made my point of view very well known about getting rid of these two and some others for cap space. However, unfulfilled excitement is not very exciting. Not trying to take away hope but I also want to be realistic in what we should expect. Hopefully, Nick will make another astounding move as he did when he traded up to get Will Anderson; and that move does not have to be in the draft. To clarify, I do think Mason will be gone just not Howard.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Do people see Juice as an adequate RG with an offseason of reps there?
And same question about Patterson at C?
I felt they did OK considering it was jumbled around mid-season, but I’m wary that it only seemed ok compared to the mess that had gone before.
Seeing the internal promotion at OL coach, I worry that they may revert to the same old mistakes from last offseason, thinking Juice was drafted to play Centre so we’ll damn we’ll play him there, or heaven forbid that Kenyon Green is our first round investment at LG/Tytus is an RT type thinking.
They even brought Shaq Mason back to start in the divisional game didn’t they?
It’s scary to think that they may be tempted to open up their draft board with sunshine thinking about how some of these underperformers could look after a healthy offseason. Kenyon in particular always seems to get rave reviews during the pre season, must look great on the practice field.
And same question about Patterson at C?
I felt they did OK considering it was jumbled around mid-season, but I’m wary that it only seemed ok compared to the mess that had gone before.
Seeing the internal promotion at OL coach, I worry that they may revert to the same old mistakes from last offseason, thinking Juice was drafted to play Centre so we’ll damn we’ll play him there, or heaven forbid that Kenyon Green is our first round investment at LG/Tytus is an RT type thinking.
They even brought Shaq Mason back to start in the divisional game didn’t they?
It’s scary to think that they may be tempted to open up their draft board with sunshine thinking about how some of these underperformers could look after a healthy offseason. Kenyon in particular always seems to get rave reviews during the pre season, must look great on the practice field.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Scruggs & Patterson will compete for starting Center. Both are Guard depth. Howard should replace Mason RG and also if needed, swing tackle. Mason is only RG depth. Fisher RT & Tunsil LT. Draft rookie LG in first round (Zabel).
Grab WR second and RB third. Better OL coaching and more run heavy, TE production from new OC, Nick Caley.
Grab WR second and RB third. Better OL coaching and more run heavy, TE production from new OC, Nick Caley.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Any chance Broeker might compete for RG. Or at least be the backup. If no, he'll be gone. But do we know why he was signed away from the Bills in the first place and what has he shown to be kept on the squad these past two seasons? I thought Mason should have been let go last year. It's hard for me to think he won't be let go this year.Scruggs & Patterson will compete for starting Center. Both are Guard depth. Howard should replace Mason RG and also if needed, swing tackle. Mason is only RG depth. Fisher RT & Tunsil LT. Draft rookie LG in first round (Zabel).
Grab WR second and RB third. Better OL coaching and more run heavy, TE production from new OC, Nick Caley.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I was a little shocked that he’s been penciled in on the depth chart at RT, even though I’d fully expect him in at RG or LG more often when they finally decide to let him on the field.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Good questions but I think if the team recognizes their oline was not good that they will not force them to return to previous mistakes. I never liked Scruggs at Center but understood the draft. To answer some of your questions, I saw Scruggs doing slightly better towards the end of the season at Right Guard and the same with Patterson at center. At first I thought Caserio would bring in a high-valued guard in free agency but no longer think that. If the new OC is approving Pop and I guess he is, then he and Caley should be able to coach up both of these players. Kenyon Green may be on the roster but I will be stunned if we see him in an actual game.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I agree. I understand that Zabel is a Zone blocking player. You think he will be okay in our new system?Scruggs & Patterson will compete for starting Center. Both are Guard depth. Howard should replace Mason RG and also if needed, swing tackle. Mason is only RG depth. Fisher RT & Tunsil LT. Draft rookie LG in first round (Zabel).
Grab WR second and RB third. Better OL coaching and more run heavy, TE production from new OC, Nick Caley.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Caley was very specific about leveraging a players natural skill strength instead of forcing them (square peg round hole) to do something they can’t. Realize Senior Bowl practices might represent an absurd small sample size, but I absolutely loved what I saw. His pass protection was elite (my focus for better protecting CJ) his run blocking is technically sound, but he will need to get stronger, and he will in Texans weight & conditioning program. Maybe people won’t have patience for it? But he does have the frame 6-6, to bulk up from 305 to 330 in a couple years and still be quick & explosive.
We’ll see next chapter in little over one week @ the Combine. Should answer even more questions as he is further scrutinized. See how his medicals and interviews go, but I expect nothing less than A+
We’ll see next chapter in little over one week @ the Combine. Should answer even more questions as he is further scrutinized. See how his medicals and interviews go, but I expect nothing less than A+
Who are you talking about?Caley was very specific about leveraging a players natural skill strength instead of forcing them (square peg round hole) to do something they can’t. Realize Senior Bowl practices might represent an absurd small sample size, but I absolutely loved what I saw. His pass protection was elite (my focus for better protecting CJ) his run blocking is technically sound, but he will need to get stronger, and he will in Texans weight & conditioning program. Maybe people won’t have patience for it? But he does have the frame 6-6, to bulk up from 305 to 330 in a couple years and still be quick & explosive.
We’ll see next chapter in little over one week @ the Combine. Should answer even more questions as he is further scrutinized. See how his medicals and interviews go, but I expect nothing less than A+
Porky
Hall of Fame
I believe he is referring to Zabel, who I don’t think will be a Texan. Speaking of round pegs and square holes…Nick never picks small school guys high, and rarely anywhere in the draft.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Current OL with contract expiration year:
Tackles
Guards
Free Agents
Tackles
- Laremy Tunsil (2026)
- Tytus Howard (2026)
- Blake Fisher (2027)
- Austin Deculus (2025)
- Jaylon Thomas (2025)
Guards
- Juice Scruggs (2026)
- Jarrett Patterson (2026)
- Shaq Mason (2026)
- Kenyon Green (2025)
- Ladarius Henderson (2027)
Free Agents
- Zac Thomas (OT)
- Kendrick Green (OG)