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Texans Offensive Line

thunderkyss said:
Has anyone gotten stronger in the Texans program?
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You can’t play as physical as they have past two seasons, winning conference (lousy as it is, they’re still professional football players) winning in the playoffs and matching up like you belong against best of the best.

It’s a process that doesn’t happen overnight it takes time to build and harness muscle. The offense looks worse than it is because Slowick offense lacked timing. Big reason for offensive line issues, false starts and stupid penalties because you start out of position to begin with.
 
badboy said:
Exactly and I do not know why others are trying to relegate him to a backup role.
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I look at Patterson and Scruggs as two guys drafted competing for the same position. IMO Patterson is ahead of Scruggs despite Scruggs being the more highly drafted player.

Similar to when the Packers drafted Jamaal Williams and Aaron Jones back to back. Jones proved to be the more valuable player after the team double dipped on the position in the draft.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
I look at Patterson and Scruggs as two guys drafted competing for the same position. IMO Patterson is ahead of Scruggs despite Scruggs being the more highly drafted player.

Similar to when the Packers drafted Jamaal Williams and Aaron Jones back to back. Jones proved to be the more valuable player after the team double dipped on the position in the draft.
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If the Texans don’t go after a veteran C, I’m perfectly fine with Patterson going into the upcoming season as the starting C. I believe Scruggs is a fit at RG, and the team made a big mistake starting Mason over him in the Chiefs game. Fisher will be fine at RT. Thing is, none of these guys were in those starting spots in Pre-Season nor the start of the season. When they were finally in those positions….funny how the run game finally got going over the right side.

I only hope the new OC and OL Coach come in and establish the following:

LT- Tunsil
LG- TBD
OC- Patterson
RG- Scruggs
RT- Fisher

These guys have to enter the off-season knowing this will be their positions going into camp. Sure they can compete, but the sake of continuity let them hit camp in these positions.

A full camp and Pre-Season before GM1 will make this a better OL. Draft a LG.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If the Texans don’t go after a veteran C, I’m perfectly fine with Patterson going into the upcoming season as the starting C. I believe Scruggs is a fit at RG, and the team made a big mistake starting Mason over him in the Chiefs game. Fisher will be fine at RT. Thing is, none of these guys were in those starting spots in Pre-Season nor the start of the season. When they were finally in those positions….funny how the run game finally got going over the right side.

I only hope the new OC and OL Coach come in and establish the following:

LT- Tunsil
LG- TBD
OC- Patterson
RG- Scruggs
RT- Fisher

These guys have to enter the off-season knowing this will be their positions going into camp. Sure they can compete, but the sake of continuity let them hit camp in these positions.

A full camp and Pre-Season before GM1 will make this a better OL. Draft a LG.
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Agreed. I don’t know the cap ramifications of cutting Howard but if its “cheaper to keep him” i’d put him in at LG. Also draft an interior OL, maybe sign one as well to compete for the open spots. Would also draft another young OT to develop and potentially have a backup plan for when Tunsil wants to reset the market.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
Agreed. I don’t know the cap ramifications of cutting Howard but if its “cheaper to keep him” i’d put him in at LG. Also draft an interior OL, maybe sign one as well to compete for the open spots. Would also draft another young OT to develop and potentially have a backup plan for when Tunsil wants to reset the market.
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I'm against the cheaper to keep them philosophy. Cut bait and either trade or cut Howard, Schultz, Green etc... admit their mistakes and bring in new blood.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
Agreed. I don’t know the cap ramifications of cutting Howard but if its “cheaper to keep him” i’d put him in at LG. Also draft an interior OL, maybe sign one as well to compete for the open spots. Would also draft another young OT to develop and potentially have a backup plan for when Tunsil wants to reset the market.
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If the team cuts Howard and Mason after June 1st….cap savings of 24M+ will be on the books.

Tunsil and Schultz will be on the clock this upcoming season, they’re financially better cuts or trade assets after 2025.
 
I’d do the following to finally get the Texans OL on track for the next 5+ seasons.

Trade Tunsil. If a trade is completed before June 1st Texans save 13.9M in cap space….the Bears could be one of roughly 3-4 teams that could have interest in obtaining Tunsil. It’s not going to be a one sided trade, but it could be a trade that benefits both sides. Proposed Offer:

Bears Get:
Tunsil
RD7-243
2026 RD1

Texans Get:
RD1-010
RD2-041
RD6-197

Next cut Howard and Mason after June 1st. The two cuts would return 23.6M in cap savings.

Between the trade of Tunsil and cutting Howard / Mason the Texans could have roughly 37.5M in cap savings. Add in the projected cap raise for 2025 and the Texans should raise their current cap situation to bit more than 7M. That would potentially give them a 44.5M cap to work with.

I would make a play for UFA’s:

LT- Alaric Jackson (Rams)
OC- Ryan Kelly (Colts)

I would draft the following:

RD1-010: LT- Kelvin Banks Jr (Texas)
RD2-041: LG- Donovan Jackson (Ohio State)

Texans New 2025 Depth Chart:

LT- Jackson, Alaric / Banks, Kelvin (R) / Thomas, Zach / Deculus, Austin
LG- Jackson, Donovan (R) / Green, Kenyon / Henderson, Ladarius
OC- Kelly, Ryan / Patterson, Jarrett / Scruggs, J
RG- Scruggs, Juice / Patterson, J / Green, Kendrick
RT- Fisher, Blake / Broeker, Nick / Thomas, Jaylon

There’s enough talent to make a Top 7 OL. I’d say CJ would be a pretty happy camper if he had a group like this protecting him. Mixon would probably be pretty excited as well since he should have the ability to run left, right, and up the gut with a strong chance of success.
 
That's a worst case scenario. Juice wasn't good enough to walk in here as the leading candidate at RG. Might be a slight upgrade to Mason but not by much imho.

I'll stand by my original opinion, and it's just that - but I think next week or the week after, they sign a decent vet that they can safely plug in at RG and hold down that spot.

Then, draft a young IOL buck somewhere in the top four rounds and throw him into the pile to compete at G and/or C. May the best men win.
 
Porky said:
That's a worst case scenario. Juice wasn't good enough to walk in here as the leading candidate at RG. Might be a slight upgrade to Mason but not by much imho.

I'll stand by my original opinion, and it's just that - but I think next week or the week after, they sign a decent vet that they can safely plug in at RG and hold down that spot.

Then, draft a young IOL buck somewhere in the top four rounds and throw him into the pile to compete at G and/or C. May the best men win.
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I'm not happy about it either, but it is what it is.
 
Porky said:
Mason is gone, and per the Chronicle it came as a surprise to he and his camp. Really? You play like **** and you are shocked to be released? Play better if you want the job. That simple.
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Great post, this should go for everybody on the offense.
 
leebigeztx said:
Why you want Noteboom? He graded out terrible
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He was pretty good a couple of yrs ago. He's fairly young and athletic. His problem has been injuries. Really the reason is he will be cheap and has potential to get back to his previous level of play. I'm more on the Daniels train after seeing CnD's post. Although I do believe Becton should be in play as well as a guy that has a chance to be this yrs Becton in Jedrick Willis.
 
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Whatever the teams does, I do not want to see Tytus, Juice, or a rookie at LG next to Tunsil. I would prefer a veteran who knows what he's doing. Evan Brown would be a good under the radar signing. He played well at LG for the Cardinals and can play C if needed. If Tytus must be kept, put him back on the right side of the OL at RG. He can't possibly be worse than Mason and I believe would be better than Juice at this position. Your starters could be:

LT - Tunsil
LG - Brown
C - Patterson (need an upgrade here too)
RG - Howard
RT - Fisher
 
Porky said:
Mason is gone, and per the Chronicle it came as a surprise to he and his camp. Really? You play like **** and you are shocked to be released? Play better if you want the job. That simple.
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I told Mason's agent that he should sign up with texansstalk.com so he would know what the heck is going on in the world. Meanwhile Joe Mixon and CJ Stroud are leading cheers and doing backflips. Hopefully no hamstrings will occur.
 
Right side of the OL actually got better down the stretch as they had more starting time together. It would be vital to have OC- Patterson (9 Starts), RG- Scruggs (1 Start), and RT- Fisher (5 Starts) come into camp that they’re going to be the starters from the get-go. I believe they could get much better together and one thing I noticed, the run game looked much better going over the right side.

We know, Tunsil will be starting at LT this season. If he has another down year trying to run block, the Texans best out is trading after the season.

The big question mark is at LG. There’s no way in hail I’d even let Howard think he has a chance at starting at LG. I wouldn’t want him fouling up the right side either. His ticket to remain on the roster would be as the Swing Tackle. I’d much rather send him packing, but Caserio may think he’d have a trade asset before the deadline. An easy answer could come via the draft in true LG- Donovan Jackson (Ohio State). He’s an NFL LG from Day 1, and the Texans should have no problem drafting him….whether it’s at 25 or they trade back a few spots while gaining an additional pick.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Right side of the OL actually got better down the stretch as they had more starting time together. It would be vital to have OC- Patterson (9 Starts), RG- Scruggs (1 Start), and RT- Fisher (5 Starts) come into camp that they’re going to be the starters from the get-go. I believe they could get much better together and one thing I noticed, the run game looked much better going over the right side.

We know, Tunsil will be starting at LT this season. If he has another down year trying to run block, the Texans best out is trading after the season.

The big question mark is at LG. There’s no way in hail I’d even let Howard think he has a chance at starting at LG. I wouldn’t want him fouling up the right side either. His ticket to remain on the roster would be as the Swing Tackle. I’d much rather send him packing, but Caserio may think he’d have a trade asset before the deadline. An easy answer could come via the draft in true LG- Donovan Jackson (Ohio State). He’s an NFL LG from Day 1, and the Texans should have no problem drafting him….whether it’s at 25 or they trade back a few spots while gaining an additional pick.
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Howard post June 1st release $14 million. Post June1 trade almost $16 million. I still think he will be the starting left guard barring a complete collapse in preseason. I agree with you on the right side of the line.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Right side of the OL actually got better down the stretch as they had more starting time together. It would be vital to have OC- Patterson (9 Starts), RG- Scruggs (1 Start), and RT- Fisher (5 Starts) come into camp that they’re going to be the starters from the get-go. I believe they could get much better together and one thing I noticed, the run game looked much better going over the right side.

We know, Tunsil will be starting at LT this season. If he has another down year trying to run block, the Texans best out is trading after the season.

The big question mark is at LG. There’s no way in hail I’d even let Howard think he has a chance at starting at LG. I wouldn’t want him fouling up the right side either. His ticket to remain on the roster would be as the Swing Tackle. I’d much rather send him packing, but Caserio may think he’d have a trade asset before the deadline. An easy answer could come via the draft in true LG- Donovan Jackson (Ohio State). He’s an NFL LG from Day 1, and the Texans should have no problem drafting him….whether it’s at 25 or they trade back a few spots while gaining an additional pick.
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Have you ever seen a player go from tackle to the other side at guard? Not to mention, I don't Fisher is ready full time. Hopefully he pulls it off, but I wouldn't use a pick on a guard when there are quite a few in Free agency
 
Center will still be the same old question it has always been. Scruggs may have been a higher pick that Patterson, but the Scruggs pick was a desperation pick in a poor center draft. Scruggs has always played "weak." But I don't believe that changing strength and conditioning approach is likely to change that. The auto accident he was involved in college left him with an 8 1/2 month back brace rehab, and I believe that he is having long-term effects of that injury. His significant injury history with the Texans has further blunted his performance. As far as Patterson, he has been the better option except, he is not able to stay healthy.
 
badboy said:
A breakdown of statistics on Tytus Howard at left guard versus right tackle for 2023 and 2024 seasons.
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A lot of information. But one factor is whether the Texans are going to move Blake Fisher off RT. I don't think they will do that. So for Howard to stay in the lineup, it's at OG. Mason being released makes both OG spots available. Which spot is best for Howard, and which is better for the player brought in via free agency or the draft? That can be determined later. I would like to see a guy like Howard that has been over payed vs performance be more of a team player. Do what's best for the team and quit biatching about it.
 
Howard at LG still couldn’t pick up a stunt and pairing the 2 weakest run blockers on the team on one side of the line kills the run game by making it one dimensional.

I don’t see a young UFA LG worth investing in. The best LG and C available are both 30+ looking for a nice contract to ride off into the sunset on.

Just draft a monster LG who can pass and run block. For me, that’s Donovan Jackson (Ohio State). He’s been the primary LG at Ohio State since 2022…in 2024 he moved over to LT due to starting LT going down to injury. He was their starting LT for the 2024 Championship run.

I’m not even debating the move to draft Jackson at 25. My biggest question….is there a possibility of moving down a few spots while keeping him in my sites and gaining an extra pick….or, is SS- Nick Emmanwori (South Carolina) on the board at 25, at which time I could select Nick at 25 and trade back into RD1 to draft Jackson.
 
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badboy said:
A breakdown of statistics on Tytus Howard at left guard versus right tackle for 2023 and 2024 seasons.
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Interesting article, but he left patellar surgery in 2023 was not factored in. With his compromised left knee, playing RT requires that he must be able to strongly push off of his left leg in order to protect the right outside...............this would be a much lesser stress on the knee when playing inside at LG.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Interesting article, but he left patellar surgery in 2023 was not factored in. With his compromised left knee, playing RT requires that he must be able to strongly push off of his left leg in order to protect the right outside...............this would be a much lesser stress on the knee when playing inside at LG.
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I think what you say is a huge consideration of Ryan's bringing Howard to the other side. Also, I can see Howard being receptive to that for just that same reason. Howard probably sees the writing on the wall with Fisher at RT in the future.
 
Lucky said:
A lot of information. But one factor is whether the Texans are going to move Blake Fisher off RT. I don't think they will do that. So for Howard to stay in the lineup, it's at OG. Mason being released makes both OG spots available. Which spot is best for Howard, and which is better for the player brought in via free agency or the draft?That can be determined later. I would like to see a guy like Howard that has been over payed vs performance be more of a team player. Do what's best for the team and quit biatching about it.
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Ah yes agree. Blake Fisher don't move him. Congratulations Blake Fisher! Texans go get those guards.
I just read this particular good article wasn't even looking for it. So allow me to share

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Texans Rookie Earns Praise After First Career Start

The Houston Texans put second-round rookie offensive tackle Blake Fisher in an important position in their Week 5 win against the Buffalo Bills. With Tytus Howa
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TexanBorn51 said:
Ah yes agree. Blake Fisher don't move him. Congratulations Blake Fisher! Texans go get those guards.
I just read this particular good article wasn't even looking for it. So allow me to share

www.si.com

Texans Rookie Earns Praise After First Career Start

The Houston Texans put second-round rookie offensive tackle Blake Fisher in an important position in their Week 5 win against the Buffalo Bills. With Tytus Howa
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Yeah remember reading that when it came out. He's got a lot of work to do but hopefully our new coaching staff will improve him immensely. Thanks for posting.
 
I don’t think it’s a given that Fisher is the starting RT. If healthy, Howard is better as of today. Maybe that changes soon. I also don’t see them signing Fries.
 
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