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Texans Offensive Line

Lucky said:
I have to disagree. The Texans are not going back to Howard at RT.
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Based on what Lucky? We know Howard wants to play RT. We know that's his best position. As of today...Howard is the second best lineman on this team (sadly). He's a better RT, then LG. I don't think that's even debatable. We also know they are paying him like a RT. We also know we want a guy that is a happy camper and not disgruntled. We also know Fisher was ok but nothing screamed sure thing RT going forward. Let those two duke it out and may the best man win. Fisher didn't do enough to just walk into camp the unquestioned starter. If Fisher wins the competition outright...then you can ask Howard to move to LG (if required).

There's a lot of knows...and that means there's a lot of no's!
 
Porky said:
Based on what Lucky? We know Howard wants to play RT. We know that's his best position. As of today...Howard is the second best lineman on this team (sadly). He's a better RT, then LG. I don't think that's even debatable. We also know they are paying him like a RT. We also know we want a guy that is a happy camper and not disgruntled. We also know Fisher was ok but nothing screamed sure thing RT going forward. Let those two duke it out and may the best man win. Fisher didn't do enough to just walk into camp the unquestioned starter. If Fisher wins the competition outright...then you can ask Howard to move to LG (if required).

There's a lot of knows...and that means there's a lot of no's!
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Looks like you get your wish, and Howard goes to RT. Hopefully, Fisher screams full time LT.
 
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New offensive coordinator, new O-line coaches, new players on the o-line this season. Good reasons for both hope and despair. And don't even think for a second it couldn't get worse, because it's football, and it can. For now though, I'm going into this with hope unless something new changes my mind. Like them not doing more for the o-line in what's left of free agency and also the draft. Have to wait on after the draft before pronouncing my preseason judgement. :)
 
Texansballer74 said:
Camp bodies competitions and change of scenery. Some of these might not make the team. I’m pretty sure they’ll draft a few offensive interior linemen.

Let’s not jump the gun people
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Except Caley and O'Connell are both McVay disciples so the scheme in Minnesota is probably close to what Caley wants to run; and he sucked in Minnesota.

Camp body sure? Sure. Guy expected to improve based on a change in scheme/scenery? I'm not holding my breath.
 
Errant Hothy said:
Except Caley and O'Connell are both McVay disciples so the scheme in Minnesota is probably close to what Caley wants to run; and he sucked in Minnesota.

Camp body sure? Sure. Guy expected to improve based on a change in scheme/scenery? I'm not holding my breath.
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Caley interviewed for the Texans OC gig the first time around prior to working for Mcvay. There’s more to him than just what he learned from Mcvay the past two years.
 
He's terrible. Trading trash for trash is the idea here? Great Scot! Get back in the DeLorean and go back a week, and cancel all the trades and releases if this is what you're going to do. Someone tell Marty McFly and Tricky Nicky.

Suddenly, I feel like the chef is serving me rotted fish head soup with year-old minced meat.
 
Nick if you are reading this, don't make me take off my chef's hat and burn it! And don't tell me a 6th rounder is fair value for a man on the trash heap. Let him be released and pick him up if you want some depth and "camp bodies". There's no reason under the sun to give a 6th for this guy.

Nick is one more bad signing away from getting his chef hat removed and replaced with a dunce cap.

Your one and only goal this year was to FIX THE LINE! You did the first half getting rid of the non SWARM'ers. Now go fix the damn line the right way. This ain't it. Not even close to it.

We need at least one solid starting IOL as a bare min. Signing bad offensive lineman is making me feel....offended!
 
I'm pretty sure they are taking some flyers on some OLmen and they will draft several. They don't want to be in the unenviable position of having not enough players to fill out the starting line. They are probably signing guys based on being "team players" which the line could really use to good examples after Tunsil. Are they good players? Probably not. Again, IMO it's about more the sum of the whole rather that getting a top guy. Would I prefer they sign some of the guys at the top of the market? Yes, I would, but I think NC is looking thru his precious 2 year window and the numbers aren't working.

Just remember--our OL was going to suck if we kept the guys we got rid of so just need marginal improvement this year to be a better team. We don't need 5 all-pros, we need 5 guys that can execute together.
 
House of Pain said:
I'm pretty sure they are taking some flyers on some OLmen and they will draft several. They don't want to be in the unenviable position of having not enough players to fill out the starting line. They are probably signing guys based on being "team players" which the line could really use to good examples after Tunsil. Are they good players? Probably not. Again, IMO it's about more the sum of the whole rather that getting a top guy. Would I prefer they sign some of the guys at the top of the market? Yes, I would, but I think NC is looking thru his precious 2 year window and the numbers aren't working.

Just remember--our OL was going to suck if we kept the guys we got rid of so just need marginal improvement this year to be a better team. We don't need 5 all-pros, we need 5 guys that can execute together.
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I agree with your very last statement. I would be in favor of the execution of this line.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
I was just thinking that the Texans exchanged Mason for Tomlinson and Green for Ingram...Literally the same types of players and with the same type of pass game results
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Or you could think of it as we traded green for a very good safety and released Mason for $9 million in cap space that can be used to extend our All-Pro cornerback Stingley. Just depends on how you want to look at it
 
Here's the reason from his Ed Ingram's NFL draft profile: -Instincts to smell a rat with blitzes and twists. Nick doesn't want to see an unblocked lineman getting to CJ without being at least touched by a block. :)

It's funny I actually predicted that Nick would have to do to the IOL what he did with the DT last year, so I actually don't mind Nick bringing in a bunch of low-cost fillers. Based on what he did with the DTs last year, he turned a huge hole into a good unit. He hasn't proven he can do that on the Oline, but I'm fine with him taking a shot. I'm sure he's getting input from Caley as well.
 
House of Pain said:
I'm pretty sure they are taking some flyers on some OLmen and they will draft several. They don't want to be in the unenviable position of having not enough players to fill out the starting line. They are probably signing guys based on being "team players" which the line could really use to good examples after Tunsil. Are they good players? Probably not. Again, IMO it's about more the sum of the whole rather that getting a top guy. Would I prefer they sign some of the guys at the top of the market? Yes, I would, but I think NC is looking thru his precious 2 year window and the numbers aren't working.

Just remember--our OL was going to suck if we kept the guys we got rid of so just need marginal improvement this year to be a better team. We don't need 5 all-pros, we need 5 guys that can execute together.
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I agree and please let me know when those five guys that can execute together show up.
 
cland said:
Here's the reason from his Ed Ingram's NFL draft profile: -Instincts to smell a rat with blitzes and twists. Nick doesn't want to see an unblocked lineman getting to CJ without being at least touched by a block. :)

It's funny I actually predicted that Nick would have to do to the IOL what he did with the DT last year, so I actually don't mind Nick bringing in a bunch of low-cost fillers. Based on what he did with the DTs last year, he turned a huge hole into a good unit. He hasn't proven he can do that on the Oline, but I'm fine with him taking a shot. I'm sure he's getting input from Caley as well.
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You want to put the health of CJ and the success of the entire team on a wing and a prayer? We need proven assets not hope, faith, give em a try, camp bodies, or any of this other junk they are selling us. This was the one and only thing that absolutely had to be fixed.
 
badboy said:
I agree and please let me know when those five guys that can execute together show up.
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I would imagine those guys will be here closer to the draft. I don't recall the part in the NFL rules requiring teams to fix their problems exclusively through FA.

We're not in the building and have no idea what the internal analysis of our roster sounds like. If we did, I'm sure we would have signed some different IOLs and possibly an OT. They may have a plan? Right now, without the draft, the plan looks like "We're going to suck on the OL" but we're not there yet IMO.

I would also like to say that my level of trust with this organization (NC specifically) picking OL players, is akin to allowing my child to go camping with a pedophile. Let's hope that changes...for the OL players sake.
 
badboy said:
Or you could think of it as we traded green for a very good safety and released Mason for $9 million in cap space that can be used to extend our All-Pro cornerback Stingley. Just depends on how you want to look at it
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I was attempting to be very specific about the two guards that left versus the two guards that are now Texans.

All the GM trade stuff I was ignoring on purpose
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
I was attempting to be very specific about the two guards that left versus the two guards that are now Texans.

All the GM trade stuff I was ignoring on purpose
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It's an overhaul of the OLine culture. They are flipping the vets before they add some younger pieces in the draft. These recent acquisitions don't have to have better OLine "stats" to make our OLine better, starting with the cultured: adding physicality, toughness, etc... which, in theory, should bleed over into the young guys the same way Tunsil's soft, individualistic attitude rubbed off on them the past few years.
 
Porky said:
You want to put the health of CJ and the success of the entire team on a wing and a prayer? We need proven assets not hope, faith, give em a try, camp bodies, or any of this other junk they are selling us. This was the one and only thing that absolutely had to be fixed.
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Yep you've nailed it. Ed Ingram or death to CJ. ☠️

I have no problem with them bringing in some misfit vets and some (high round) draft picks into camp to see if they can form a cohesive unit.
 
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