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Texans Offensive Line

TheRealJoker V2 said:
I want Tytus at LG and Fisher at RT rest of season.
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I don’t have a problem seeing what Fisher’s got the rest of the way, but Howard at LG didn’t seem much better and may have been worse in the run game. How many times did they run left over and over for nothing? That said, I don’t know the solution the rest of the way. There doesn’t seem to be a guard on the roster worth a damn.
 
Speedy said:
I don’t have a problem seeing what Fisher’s got the rest of the way, but Howard at LG didn’t seem much better and may have been worse in the run game. How many times did they run left over and over for nothing? That said, I don’t know the solution the rest of the way. There doesn’t seem to be a guard on the roster worth a damn.
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I think it's quite possible that Howard's hamstring from October plus his knee injury from 2023 could still be detracting from his play. I think Ryans and Nick were aware of the weakness at left guard but chose to go with Green's recovery. I am still a negative on our Medical team giving advice on players health. In draft and FA last off-season, there were only so many positions you can address. I am convinced that their thought on iol was Scruggs could maintain center with Patterson backing him up and also one of them moving to left guard if needed. Whoever made the decisions on Juice for Center made a bad decision. Hopefully, this will be corrected in the next off season. It will be expensive.
 
House of Pain said:
I think the worst part about our IOL problems is that I'm not sure they know what they're looking for, even if they put the draft/financial capital into fixing the problem. It's not like they haven't tried to address these issues.
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That’s a significant issue that will need to be addressed this offseason. We thought we could trust Slowik but it’s becoming apparent we cannot.

We know when a defensive player gets picked by a DeMeco-led team there is a clear vision in place and the odds are good that player will hit. Much of the offseason was spent moaning and groaning how the team didn’t “do enough” to address DT. But the bargain bin DTs have been enjoying career years. The highly paid offensive acquisitions (minus Mixon and Nico) have not been playing up to their contract/draft status.

I thought Slowik’s background with Lil Shanny would give him a clearly defined path to success but that is not happening this season which worries me going into year 3. A pivotal final year before you gotta pay CJ and you have one more chance to be a big spender to be a true Super Bowl contender. Do you want to pin your hopes on Slowik figuring it out? Or do you want CJ to learn a new system in year 3?
 
DocBar said:
It definitely appears to be that OL is a definite weakness of the Texans scouting department and of Caserio. Caserio apparently doesn't like admitting to OL mistakes. The Texans need damned near a complete rebuild of the OL, despite the hefty investments made.
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Not disputing that
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
That’s a significant issue that will need to be addressed this offseason. We thought we could trust Slowik but it’s becoming apparent we cannot.

We know when a defensive player gets picked by a DeMeco-led team there is a clear vision in place and the odds are good that player will hit. Much of the offseason was spent moaning and groaning how the team didn’t “do enough” to address DT. But the bargain bin DTs have been enjoying career years. The highly paid offensive acquisitions (minus Mixon and Nico) have not been playing up to their contract/draft status.

I thought Slowik’s background with Lil Shanny would give him a clearly defined path to success but that is not happening this season which worries me going into year 3. A pivotal final year before you gotta pay CJ and you have one more chance to be a big spender to be a true Super Bowl contender. Do you want to pin your hopes on Slowik figuring it out? Or do you want CJ to learn a new system in year 3?
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Great question. Do we pull the bandaid off and hope that Nick can finally get it right? Is it more that Slowik isn't the scheme master that we thought he was? Good thing I don't have to make those decisions and can complain when someone who does makes a mistake.

More than likely, it's probably both. The players haven't played well and Slowik hasn't done them any favors. For the rest of this season, I think they should pass to set up the run. Stop the opposing defense from loading the box and when they don't, feed Mixon the rock.

See how easy that is? Maybe I SHOULD be the guy that makes those decisions?
 
Tunsil pass block 88.7 run block 76.1 over all 77.5
Howard---------- 74.8---------- 59.3--------- 70.2
Patterson-------- 72.7----------- 45.4 -------- 55.3
Mason ---------- 65 ------------ 57.7 ------- 62.2


We should be passing the ball! Stroud vs Dolphins 69.2 %

Which of KC's RBs are we supposed to fear? They seem to be doing okay with zilch at that position. Difference is Chiefs play to the strength of Mahommes.

Edit to clarify these numbers are for season not last game vs Dolphins.
 
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badboy said:
Tunsil pass block 88.7 run block 76.1 over all 77.5
Howard---------- 74.8---------- 59.3--------- 70.2
Patterson-------- 72.7----------- 45.4 -------- 55.3
Mason ---------- 65 ------------ 57.7 ------- 62.2


We should be passing the ball! Stroud vs Dolphins 69.2 %

Which of KC's RBs are we supposed to fear? They seem to be doing okay with zilch at that position. Difference is Chiefs play to the strength of Mahommes.
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You got Fisher’s PFF ratings out of interest?
 
badboy said:
Tunsil pass block 88.7 run block 76.1 over all 77.5
Howard---------- 74.8---------- 59.3--------- 70.2
Patterson-------- 72.7----------- 45.4 -------- 55.3
Mason ---------- 65 ------------ 57.7 ------- 62.2


We should be passing the ball! Stroud vs Dolphins 69.2 %

Which of KC's RBs are we supposed to fear? They seem to be doing okay with zilch at that position. Difference is Chiefs play to the strength of Mahommes.
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KC has had the same underperforming offense the Texans have had. They just tend to win close games more than the Texans this season (who have won a fair amount themselves).

Refs have helped. So has that “champion DNA” they’ve got throughout the roster. Clutch gene I guess.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
So the experiment with Howard at LG didn’t look much different than any of the other iterations. If the Texans do anything….get Broeker in at RG the moment his hand is good enough for him to start. I just can’t understand the reluctance to start Broeker with the state of this OL. The writing is on the wall that both Howard and Mason will do the Texans more favors after June 1st when they’re released, so why not see if Broeker can be an OL answer this season and going forward.
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The Texans love Tytus... don't know why.
But he's not going anywhere
 
badboy said:
Tunsil pass block 88.7 run block 76.1 over all 77.5
Howard---------- 74.8---------- 59.3--------- 70.2
Patterson-------- 72.7----------- 45.4 -------- 55.3
Mason ---------- 65 ------------ 57.7 ------- 62.2


We should be passing the ball! Stroud vs Dolphins 69.2 %

Which of KC's RBs are we supposed to fear? They seem to be doing okay with zilch at that position. Difference is Chiefs play to the strength of Mahommes.
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Take PFF grades with a grain of salt. They can be laughably wrong.
This game will likely be decided by the kickers.
 
welsh texan said:

Found this review of Fisher’s game against Miami, they are falling over themselves to praise him.
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On the first run play where he's giving Fisher kudos for reaching the LB... he only reaches that LB because Mixon has already cut back trying to avoid a penetrating defender. If Mixon doesn't cut back there, that LB is too far gone for Fisher to make any block.

That play is blown up because, imo, Howard doesn't put an arm out to punch that defender over him. That defender gets a free release & Patterson has no way of getting in front of him. Tunsil does a good job holding up the defender over him, giving Howard time to get over. Howard does a decent job driving that defender back, with help from Tunsil. So I'm speculating that Tunsil would have been fine holding that guy up while Howard took an extra 2nd to hold up the guy who was over him. Mixon would have run further to the left & that LB Fisher "blocked" still wouldn't have been able to get to him.
 
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welsh texan said:

Found this review of Fisher’s game against Miami, they are falling over themselves to praise him.
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About 15:40 into the video he primarily calls out Nico for not blocking the guy in front of him & I agree Nico should have done better. But what I don't like about this play is how Howard takes a poor first step allowing the guy directly in front of him access to the backfield.
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He corrects himself & does hold him up for a minute, but he's the backside tackle. He's in the backfield, the play is going away from him. I'd much rather Howard let him go. He's out of the play. Then Howard could have stepped up & blocked the guy Nico whiffed on.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Oh, Fisher locked himself up at RT for the foreseeable future.

I believe the only reason Green and Broeker have been retained but not played is the teams stubborn resistance in admitting they’ve made a mistake with some of the high end investments.
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^^^^
This
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
That’s a significant issue that will need to be addressed this offseason. We thought we could trust Slowik but it’s becoming apparent we cannot.

We know when a defensive player gets picked by a DeMeco-led team there is a clear vision in place and the odds are good that player will hit. Much of the offseason was spent moaning and groaning how the team didn’t “do enough” to address DT. But the bargain bin DTs have been enjoying career years. The highly paid offensive acquisitions (minus Mixon and Nico) have not been playing up to their contract/draft status.

I thought Slowik’s background with Lil Shanny would give him a clearly defined path to success but that is not happening this season which worries me going into year 3. A pivotal final year before you gotta pay CJ and you have one more chance to be a big spender to be a true Super Bowl contender. Do you want to pin your hopes on Slowik figuring it out? Or do you want CJ to learn a new system in year 3?
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I would prefer CJ to have a new offensive coordinator in 2025.
 
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DocBar said:
It definitely appears to be that OL is a definite weakness of the Texans scouting department and of Caserio. Caserio apparently doesn't like admitting to OL mistakes. The Texans need damned near a complete rebuild of the OL, despite the hefty investments made.
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I was saying this last offseason. Tunsil would be gone for whatever I could get for him. This entire OL had his energy. Soft, lazy and prone to mistakes at the worst times possible. I was begging the Texans to move up and draft him now I want him gone more than any player on this team. I don’t give a dam how good his pass blocking is when he’s not getting penalties.

This line plays with NO FIRE. We need a new OL coach that will install a mentality like what Demeco did with this defense with the swarm mentality. Until then we are pissing away the best QB prospect this team has ever had. Stroud already developing the same characteristics Carr had when he went to sh!t. Happy feet, throwing the ball high on short and intermediate routes and hesitating on simple throws. We should have solidified this OL last year. Hopefully we can fix it before we can’t fix Stroud.
 
I wonder how this season would be looking if the OL had been set with this starting 5 from game one? Stroud is getting better protection but the damage from earlier in the season has been done and he’s got happy feet. Now he’s running into sacks instead of buying time and evading pressure like he would in his rookie year.

Don’t expect anything to change this season.
 
mussop said:
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I was saying this last offseason. Tunsil would be gone for whatever I could get for him. This entire OL had his energy. Soft, lazy and prone to mistakes at the worst times possible. I was begging the Texans to move up and draft him now I want him gone more than any player on this team. I don’t give a dam how good his pass blocking is when he’s not getting penalties.

This line plays with NO FIRE. We need a new OL coach that will install a mentality like what Demeco did with this defense with the swarm mentality. Until then we are pissing away the best QB prospect this team has ever had. Stroud already developing the same characteristics Carr had when he went to sh!t. Happy feet, throwing the ball high on short and intermediate routes and hesitating on simple throws. We should have solidified this OL last year. Hopefully we can fix it before we can’t fix Stroud.
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Welcome to the fire Tunsil fan club, party of two. The odds of them trading Tunsil is slim and none, and slim has his coat on. Ya I know, he is very good as a pass protector. As if that is the entirety of his job. I know a guy that is a damn good fry cook, but his soufflé is crap. He isn’t a chef. He is a fry cook. Tunsil isn’t an offensive lineman. He is a pass blocker. A lazy, finesse pass blocker that works as hard as he must, but not beyond what he must.

There is nobody on this offense, coaches included that I want off the team more than Tunsil. It’s 100% addition by subtraction. Get a vet journeyman for now that shows some fire and realizes the job requires more than one skill set, and draft a young buck with upside.
 
Porky said:
Welcome to the fire Tunsil fan club, party of two. The odds of them trading Tunsil is slim and none, and slim has his coat on. Ya I know, he is very good as a pass protector. As if that is the entirety of his job. I know a guy that is a damn good fry cook, but his soufflé is crap. He isn’t a chef. He is a fry cook. Tunsil isn’t an offensive lineman. He is a pass blocker. A lazy, finesse pass blocker that works as hard as he must, but not beyond what he must.

There is nobody on this offense, coaches included that I want off the team more than Tunsil. It’s 100% addition by subtraction. Get a vet journeyman for now that shows some fire and realizes the job requires more than one skill set, and draft a young buck with upside.
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What's Tunsil's rating in the NFL top 100 voted on by his peers? But a keyboard hero like you knows better right?
 
JB said:
What's Tunsil's rating in the NFL top 100 voted on by his peers? But a keyboard hero like you knows better right?
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All due respect, but I would venture to guess I pay more attention to the off-field and poor work ethic stuff then NFL players in other cities. So yes, I do know better. Plus it’s an opinion. Im pretty sure that what this message board is for. And Probably the minority opinion at this point. But slowly, like the turning of the Titanic, more people in Houston are slowly realizing that the pass blocking gifts he brings come with strings…or should I say shoelaces attached. Final thought - the reality is he is very unlikely to be moved so if you like him, be happy as his lazy, poor leadership, and bad run blocking overpaid ass will be planted at LT once again.
 
Undoubtedly, Nick was hopeful that Kenyon, Juice, and Jarrett would improve significantly in year two of their careers so that this team could compete for the AFC Title.

Unfortunately, it seems that Kenyon is a BUST and Juice and Jarrett are just ok. Blake Simmons has had a rough rookie year.

It will be great if we can sign a couple of quality linemen. And there's the draft. It seems that our ability to assess OL talent sucks. In any event, it might make sense to trade down again with our #1 pick in order to obtain another 2nd-round pick and then take two guards with our two #2 picks.

We won't challenge for an AFC Title next season unless we see a dramatic upgrade in the interior line.
 
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