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Sentiment Check: Which QB Are You Selecting With The #1.2 Overall Pick (March 8, 2023)

If You Were GM, Which QB Are You Selecting With The #1.2 Overall Pick

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76Texan said:
You and TK are talking nonsense to try to prove your points.
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I'm not trying to prove a point. I'm trying to follow your argument.

Saying the Steelers almost made the playoffs does not, in itself, prove Pickett is a good QB. If anything it proves the Steelers have a good defense. A really good defense, even without TJ Watt.
 
76Texan said:
Give it up already, dude.
Like I said, you just decided not to connect the dots.
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Not a mind reader.

& just because I agree you've provided points to support your premise doesn't mean they support your conclusion.
 
76Texan said:
My point was that Kenny Pickett was worth the slot where he was drafted.
Mike Tomlin said so.
The end.
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LMAO...Tomlin is not going to say they made a mistake on the QB they just drafted. That would be stupid. How many times have you seen a team say that Rookie QB is their guy...until he isn't? It happens quite often.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Gut feeling I'd take anyone but Young. I smell backup or bust on him. 1st choice is Stroud
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If we take Stroud, and he turns out to be pretty good, then what are the chances his agent tries to get a deal for his QB like he did for Watson? Would somebody (like the Texans or whoever we trade Stroud to) agree to another contract like he got for Watson?

Or, was that just stupidity on Cleveland's part and Watson's agent just got lucky and he knows it? Lots to think about with Stroud. Including his injury history which CND has discussed.
 
Unequivocally…Bryce Young.

He isnt a perfect prospect. Literally nobody is. But if i am taking a risk at 1.2 and Young is there, i have zero doubts he is my guy and i run the card up and im on cloud 9!

And ALL prospects carry risks. Every single one ever drafted in the enitre history of the NFL has had risks. Its ok. Yall will see i was right.

i serve a darn good roasted crow. Get on my crow dinner list now before your revisionist history post regaling me with tales how you knew he was the right pick all along and loved him all along. 🤣
 
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Thorn said:
If we take Stroud, and he turns out to be pretty good, then what are the chances his agent tries to get a deal for his QB like he did for Watson? Would somebody (like the Texans or whoever we trade Stroud to) agree to another contract like he got for Watson?

Or, was that just stupidity on Cleveland's part and Watson's agent just got lucky and he knows it? Lots to think about with Stroud. Including his injury history which CND has discussed.
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With what is happening to Lamar Jackson currently, I doubt any QB is going to get a Watson deal in a long time. Cleveland crapped the bed on that one.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Gut feeling I'd take anyone but Young. I smell backup or bust on him. 1st choice is Stroud
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The Texans are not taking Stroud. Eventually they will have to deal with Mulugheta clients but they are fresh off getting burned by that dude. Stroud ain't happening. Too soon.
 
The1ApplePie said:
With what is happening to Lamar Jackson currently, I doubt any QB is going to get a Watson deal in a long time. Cleveland crapped the bed on that one.
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Let us all hope that is the case. Especially the part about Cleveland. I hope this sh!t tears that franchise apart.
 
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Thorn said:
If we take Stroud, and he turns out to be pretty good, then what are the chances his agent tries to get a deal for his QB like he did for Watson? Would somebody (like the Texans or whoever we trade Stroud to) agree to another contract like he got for Watson?

Or, was that just stupidity on Cleveland's part and Watson's agent just got lucky and he knows it? Lots to think about with Stroud. Including his injury history which CND has discussed.
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Stupidly on Cleveland’s part.

We’ve got four years before we need to worry about that. The market will settle by then. What’s outrageous today will be 2nd hat by then.
 
thunderkyss said:
Sounds kinda like, “No way the Texans will hire a guy who sued them for their HC!!!”
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Reading comprehension matters. Did you not see the they eventually will part and too soon right now? Ryans suing them happened awhile ago.
 
vtech9 said:
LMAO...Tomlin is not going to say they made a mistake on the QB they just drafted. That would be stupid. How many times have you seen a team say that Rookie QB is their guy...until he isn't? It happens quite often.
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Not Tomlin.
He's a straight shooter.
Besides, action speaks louder than words.
By starting Pickett in game 4; he was making the statement that the rookie was ready.
The Bears could easily let Trubisky play like the Chiefs let Alex Smith play while Mahomes sit and learn.
 
michaelm said:
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I want to make clear that I edited 76's quote above and changed the names of QB and coach.
I don't want any future readers to be confused that those are his actual words.
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Lovie Smith isn't Mike Tomlin.
Besides, Lovie was just here to collect his paycheck.
He wasn't anywhere near the people that picked Mills anyway.
He couldn't care less which QB play.
Aso, he went with a 2QB-system even with a QB nobody wants as a backup.
 
The1ApplePie said:
The only QB that I would be upset with getting would be Levis. Just screams a guy that is hyped because he "looks like a QB."

Young, Richardson, Stroud, all three are aces to me.
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I have the same feeling. I think Young and Stroud will be at least decent QBs - high floor. I think Richardson will either be great or terrible. I think Levis will need a very specific set of circumstances to succeed - time to sit + a QB whisperer + the right system.
 
The1ApplePie said:
The only QB that I would be upset with getting would be Levis. Just screams a guy that is hyped because he "looks like a QB."

Young, Richardson, Stroud, all three are aces to me.
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Wow, Richardson had a nice Combine and a season that screamed, I don’t read coverages all that well. He’s a running QB which makes him a one-trick pony.
 
Porky said:
Unequivocally…Bryce Young.

He isnt a perfect prospect. Literally nobody is. But if i am taking a risk at 1.2 and Young is there, i have zero doubts he is my guy and i run the card up and im on cloud 9!

And ALL prospects carry risks. Every single one ever drafted in the enitre history of the NFL has had risks. Its ok. Yall will see i was right.

i serve a darn good roasted crow. Get on my crow dinner list now before your revisionist history post regaling me with tales how you knew he was the right pick all along and loved him all along. 🤣
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I don't think anyone is predicting Young will be a bust. The only major concern I've read from a variety of sources pertains to his small stature.

Yeah, big QBs get hurt. So it stands to reason that small, tiny QBs (especially ones that can't run fast and scramble) might be at greater risk.

I'm sure Texans fans will welcome Young to the team, but the concerns will remain even when he's our guy.

Funny thing about crow. It's a two way street, but my gut tells me you'll bail from the forum if Young does not meet your lofty expectations. :runaway:
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Wow, Richardson had a nice Combine and a season that screamed, I don’t read coverages all that well. He’s a running QB which makes him a one-trick pony.
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It's projectability with Richardson most of the public doesn't get that I keep talking about. His throwing is super compact and fluid... It's just going to be a reps thing with him. People need to watch more tape and read less boxscores. Richardson is the best QB prospect this draft, not the most polished one
 
ben.aires.smith said:
It's projectability with Richardson most of the public doesn't get that I keep talking about. His throwing is super compact and fluid... It's just going to be a reps thing with him. People need to watch more tape and read less boxscores. Richardson is the best QB prospect this draft, not the most polished one
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If a compact throwing motion is a barometer.....Hooker has that hands down. Hooker is a pocket passer who possesses the ability to run and make defenses pay. Hooker rarely threw INT's but could hit his boys in stride all day long. In this draft, my gut feeling would have me taking HH in RD2 and slapping high fives in the War Room after the pick.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If a compact throwing motion is a barometer.....Hooker has that hands down. Hooker is a pocket passer who possesses the ability to run and make defenses pay. Hooker rarely threw INT's but could hit his boys in stride all day long. In this draft, my gut feeling would have me taking HH in RD2 and slapping high fives in the War Room after the pick.
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I do agree Hooker has some impressive tools also. He's just not as projectable because his tools aren't of Richardson's caliber + the he's a more advanced age. However, I wouldn't be upset if the Texans took a swing in the second round for him. He can definitely play.
 
JB said:
If Young is selected, it's because that is who the new coaching staff wants
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Then we have no use for Nick Caserio now if he has no say in the matter. If he's just going to be the bag man for the coaches I'm sure Cal can fill that role for a lot less than $30M.
 
After watching film I am liking Hooker best. He has some issues but they are fixable. I agree with some that Strouds agent could be an issue down the road. I just have a bad feeling on Young do to things I have seen and his size is a worry. He is boom or bust IMO. I wouldn’t gamble on him if I am a new HC. Hooker however is not that raw and he has all the tools. I think we should take him around 10. Yes that means move pick 1.2. Get a few extra picks and take Hooker and let him sit a season.
 
SnakeEyes said:
After watching film I am liking Hooker best. He has some issues but they are fixable. I agree with some that Strouds agent could be an issue down the road. I just have a bad feeling on Young do to things I have seen and his size is a worry. He is boom or bust IMO. I wouldn’t gamble on him if I am a new HC. Hooker however is not that raw and he has all the tools. I think we should take him around 10. Yes that means move pick 1.2. Get a few extra picks and take Hooker and let him sit a season.
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I wouldn’t mind this at all.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Jalen Hurts couldn't either (hence why they were all drafted lower).
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Looking at Hurts' senior year, he was much more accurate at 70% than his two years as a starter at Alabama. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson never got to 60% in a single season.

IMO, I think he was impacted much like Lamar was in being seen as a running QB, as well as coming out of a program that appeared a bit gimmicky with Mayfield/Murray being drafted 1:1 the previous two years and struggling in the NFL.

While I love Williams at USC in the draft next year, my biggest concern has been that he is another Lincoln Riley system QB.
 
sandman said:
IMO, I think he was impacted much like Lamar was in being seen as a running QB, as well as coming out of a program that appeared a bit gimmicky with Mayfield/Murray being drafted 1:1 the previous two years and struggling in the NFL.

While I love Williams at USC in the draft next year, my biggest concern has been that he is another Lincoln Riley system QB.
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I don't think Mayfield or Murray struggled coming out of college. Mayfield had one of the better rookie QB seasons in recent memory. Murray was the ROY then a Pro Bowler in his 2nd year. Things have turned for both of them. I just don't think that lays at the feet of Lincoln Riley. Riley coaches a college offense, sure. So do the other college coaches.
 
sandman said:
Looking at Hurts' senior year, he was much more accurate at 70% than his two years as a starter at Alabama. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson never got to 60% in a single season.

IMO, I think he was impacted much like Lamar was in being seen as a running QB, as well as coming out of a program that appeared a bit gimmicky with Mayfield/Murray being drafted 1:1 the previous two years and struggling in the NFL.

While I love Williams at USC in the draft next year, my biggest concern has been that he is another Lincoln Riley system QB.
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Which is why all the people hyping Williams now will suddenly turn their backs on him in 2024, just like they are currently doing with Young and Stroud.
Too short
System QB
USC QBs have been busts for the most part
etc.
 
edo783 said:
The thing that I like about Stroud is that he prides himself on accuracy. If I'm not mistaken, I think that the idea of being able to throw the ball to wear your WR can catch it is kind of important.
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Which is why my 1st choice is Stroud BUT if the team feels that his agent will be an issue. Take Hooker at say #10, and yes it is a trade down. Get some extra picks and a QB with a few issues that are fixable and can sling it. Kid has great deep ball accuracy and short. Great arm and vision and a high IQ.

 
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thunderkyss said:
Then we have no use for Nick Caserio now if he has no say in the matter. If he's just going to be the bag man for the coaches I'm sure Cal can fill that role for a lot less than $30M.
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I thought the idea was for the GM and HC to share a vision and work together, but you'd rather have a domineering GM that over-rides his coach and scouts? I'm sure glad you have no say in how the Texans operate
 
JB said:
I thought the idea was for the GM and HC to share a vision and work together, but you'd rather have a domineering GM that over-rides his coach and scouts? I'm sure glad you have no say in how the Texans operate
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I said no such thing.

I want the GM to have the vision & hire the HC to realize that vision. I'm not sure that happened. Cal may have hired DeMeco for emotional purposes.

Still, I expect the GM & Scouts to GM & Scout & HCs to HC. They should spend hours talking together to determine what kind of team they want to build, what kind of players that's going to demand, as well as the type of coaching. If the coach says I need edge rushers & skill positions to turn this thing around, then the GM should put together a plan to get those players. If there's an exceptional talent that isn't a pass rusher or skill position the GM should include that in his plans & explain why to the HC, getting him on board with the plan for that player. If the HC has no need for a running QB who can't throw, he needs to convince the GM that he can't do anything with him & he'd be wasting his time if he put him on the team. If the coach says he wants the tiny QB from Santa Ana, the GM should explain to him that as prospects go, there are several much better. If the HC insists, they need to work it out. If the GM comes around to acquiring the little fella, then it has to become his decision, not just because that's who the coach wants.

When you say the GM gets a player because that's who the HC wants, sounds like you want a domineering HC that over-rides the GM & Scouts.
 
thunderkyss said:
If he weighs in again over 200lbs I'm going to be on the BY can do no wrong train.

But if he so much as stubs his toe I'll be sporting a pink soap avatar with Nick's name on it.
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I don't have a favorite. I'll root for whoever they choose. They all have questions around them that can't/won't be answered until they actually play ball.

But, if he should fail, I'm sure Nick will be an easy scapegoat.

JB said:
If Young is selected, it's because that is who the new coaching staff wants
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Maybe, but I just don't put it past the McNairs to force the pick. They've done it before, and there is no reason why they won't pull rank and do it again.

Now if they pick Will Anderson at 2, then I'll lean toward it being a DeMeco pick, simply because what defensive mind wouldn't want that potential badass on his defense.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I said no such thing.

I want the GM to have the vision & hire the HC to realize that vision. I'm not sure that happened. Cal may have hired DeMeco for emotional purposes.

Still, I expect the GM & Scouts to GM & Scout & HCs to HC. They should spend hours talking together to determine what kind of team they want to build, what kind of players that's going to demand, as well as the type of coaching. If the coach says I need edge rushers & skill positions to turn this thing around, then the GM should put together a plan to get those players. If there's an exceptional talent that isn't a pass rusher or skill position the GM should include that in his plans & explain why to the HC, getting him on board with the plan for that player. If the HC has no need for a running QB who can't throw, he needs to convince the GM that he can't do anything with him & he'd be wasting his time if he put him on the team. If the coach says he wants the tiny QB from Santa Ana, the GM should explain to him that as prospects go, there are several much better. If the HC insists, they need to work it out. If the GM comes around to acquiring the little fella, then it has to become his decision, not just because that's who the coach wants.

When you say the GM gets a player because that's who the HC wants, sounds like you want a domineering HC that over-rides the GM & Scouts.
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Rick Smith was a GM who over ruled his HC. No clearer proof of that is when they got Brock. OB admitted that he had no idea until he was being introduced to him. Basically, Smith said we need a QB and went to the McNair's and they said OK. I mean Smith is a godfather to Cals kids or is it grand kid? I forgot.
 
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