badboy
Hall of Fame
It is the following " I stopped into a church I passed along the way.." that throws a lot of the people.
Sentiment Check: Which QB Are You Selecting With The #1.2 Overall Pick (March 8, 2023)
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badboy
Hall of Fame
I am just really glad that that has never happened on this message board before!
Nick went twice on the pipe.
KemahKeith
Noob
Yeah, but that was only if the answer was no.
I'm not trying to prove a point. I'm trying to follow your argument.
Saying the Steelers almost made the playoffs does not, in itself, prove Pickett is a good QB. If anything it proves the Steelers have a good defense. A really good defense, even without TJ Watt.
Finally. Those support your premise.
I don't know why you're fixated on Mills. I'm not.
Give it up already, dude.
Like I said, you just decided not to connect the dots.
Not a mind reader.
& just because I agree you've provided points to support your premise doesn't mean they support your conclusion.
My point was that Kenny Pickett was worth the slot where he was drafted.
Mike Tomlin said so.
The end.
vtech9
All Pro
LMAO...Tomlin is not going to say they made a mistake on the QB they just drafted. That would be stupid. How many times have you seen a team say that Rookie QB is their guy...until he isn't? It happens quite often.
michaelm
vox nihili
*edit*
I want to make clear that I edited 76's quote above and changed the names of QB and coach.
I don't want any future readers to be confused that those are his actual words.
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If we take Stroud, and he turns out to be pretty good, then what are the chances his agent tries to get a deal for his QB like he did for Watson? Would somebody (like the Texans or whoever we trade Stroud to) agree to another contract like he got for Watson?
Or, was that just stupidity on Cleveland's part and Watson's agent just got lucky and he knows it? Lots to think about with Stroud. Including his injury history which CND has discussed.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Unequivocally…Bryce Young.
He isnt a perfect prospect. Literally nobody is. But if i am taking a risk at 1.2 and Young is there, i have zero doubts he is my guy and i run the card up and im on cloud 9!
And ALL prospects carry risks. Every single one ever drafted in the enitre history of the NFL has had risks. Its ok. Yall will see i was right.
i serve a darn good roasted crow. Get on my crow dinner list now before your revisionist history post regaling me with tales how you knew he was the right pick all along and loved him all along.
He isnt a perfect prospect. Literally nobody is. But if i am taking a risk at 1.2 and Young is there, i have zero doubts he is my guy and i run the card up and im on cloud 9!
And ALL prospects carry risks. Every single one ever drafted in the enitre history of the NFL has had risks. Its ok. Yall will see i was right.
i serve a darn good roasted crow. Get on my crow dinner list now before your revisionist history post regaling me with tales how you knew he was the right pick all along and loved him all along.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
With what is happening to Lamar Jackson currently, I doubt any QB is going to get a Watson deal in a long time. Cleveland crapped the bed on that one.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
The Texans are not taking Stroud. Eventually they will have to deal with Mulugheta clients but they are fresh off getting burned by that dude. Stroud ain't happening. Too soon.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Let us all hope that is the case. Especially the part about Cleveland. I hope this sh!t tears that franchise apart.
Stupidly on Cleveland’s part.
We’ve got four years before we need to worry about that. The market will settle by then. What’s outrageous today will be 2nd hat by then.
Sounds kinda like, “No way the Texans will hire a guy who sued them for their HC!!!”
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Reading comprehension matters. Did you not see the they eventually will part and too soon right now? Ryans suing them happened awhile ago.
Not Tomlin.
He's a straight shooter.
Besides, action speaks louder than words.
By starting Pickett in game 4; he was making the statement that the rookie was ready.
The Bears could easily let Trubisky play like the Chiefs let Alex Smith play while Mahomes sit and learn.
Lovie Smith isn't Mike Tomlin.
Besides, Lovie was just here to collect his paycheck.
He wasn't anywhere near the people that picked Mills anyway.
He couldn't care less which QB play.
Aso, he went with a 2QB-system even with a QB nobody wants as a backup.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
The only QB that I would be upset with getting would be Levis. Just screams a guy that is hyped because he "looks like a QB."
Young, Richardson, Stroud, all three are aces to me.
Young, Richardson, Stroud, all three are aces to me.
BullRushTX
Frequently bemused
I have the same feeling. I think Young and Stroud will be at least decent QBs - high floor. I think Richardson will either be great or terrible. I think Levis will need a very specific set of circumstances to succeed - time to sit + a QB whisperer + the right system.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Richardson, really? Dude couldn't hit the water if he fell out of a boat.
OptimisticTexan
2022 Rebuilding Block 2 / Go Texans
Wow, Richardson had a nice Combine and a season that screamed, I don’t read coverages all that well. He’s a running QB which makes him a one-trick pony.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Jalen Hurts couldn't either (hence why they were all drafted lower).
I don't think anyone is predicting Young will be a bust. The only major concern I've read from a variety of sources pertains to his small stature.Unequivocally…Bryce Young.
He isnt a perfect prospect. Literally nobody is. But if i am taking a risk at 1.2 and Young is there, i have zero doubts he is my guy and i run the card up and im on cloud 9!
And ALL prospects carry risks. Every single one ever drafted in the enitre history of the NFL has had risks. Its ok. Yall will see i was right.
i serve a darn good roasted crow. Get on my crow dinner list now before your revisionist history post regaling me with tales how you knew he was the right pick all along and loved him all along.
Yeah, big QBs get hurt. So it stands to reason that small, tiny QBs (especially ones that can't run fast and scramble) might be at greater risk.
I'm sure Texans fans will welcome Young to the team, but the concerns will remain even when he's our guy.
Funny thing about crow. It's a two way street, but my gut tells me you'll bail from the forum if Young does not meet your lofty expectations.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
It's projectability with Richardson most of the public doesn't get that I keep talking about. His throwing is super compact and fluid... It's just going to be a reps thing with him. People need to watch more tape and read less boxscores. Richardson is the best QB prospect this draft, not the most polished one
If he weighs in again over 200lbs I'm going to be on the BY can do no wrong train.
But if he so much as stubs his toe I'll be sporting a pink soap avatar with Nick's name on it.
If Young is selected, it's because that is who the new coaching staff wants
OptimisticTexan
2022 Rebuilding Block 2 / Go Texans
If a compact throwing motion is a barometer.....Hooker has that hands down. Hooker is a pocket passer who possesses the ability to run and make defenses pay. Hooker rarely threw INT's but could hit his boys in stride all day long. In this draft, my gut feeling would have me taking HH in RD2 and slapping high fives in the War Room after the pick.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
I do agree Hooker has some impressive tools also. He's just not as projectable because his tools aren't of Richardson's caliber + the he's a more advanced age. However, I wouldn't be upset if the Texans took a swing in the second round for him. He can definitely play.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
After watching film I am liking Hooker best. He has some issues but they are fixable. I agree with some that Strouds agent could be an issue down the road. I just have a bad feeling on Young do to things I have seen and his size is a worry. He is boom or bust IMO. I wouldn’t gamble on him if I am a new HC. Hooker however is not that raw and he has all the tools. I think we should take him around 10. Yes that means move pick 1.2. Get a few extra picks and take Hooker and let him sit a season.
Mangler
Hall Of Famer
I wouldn’t mind this at all.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Looking at Hurts' senior year, he was much more accurate at 70% than his two years as a starter at Alabama. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson never got to 60% in a single season.
IMO, I think he was impacted much like Lamar was in being seen as a running QB, as well as coming out of a program that appeared a bit gimmicky with Mayfield/Murray being drafted 1:1 the previous two years and struggling in the NFL.
While I love Williams at USC in the draft next year, my biggest concern has been that he is another Lincoln Riley system QB.
I don't think Mayfield or Murray struggled coming out of college. Mayfield had one of the better rookie QB seasons in recent memory. Murray was the ROY then a Pro Bowler in his 2nd year. Things have turned for both of them. I just don't think that lays at the feet of Lincoln Riley. Riley coaches a college offense, sure. So do the other college coaches.
wildroot
Rookie
Mulugheta was representing his client, which is what he is paid to do. We got burned by Watson, make no mistake.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Which is why all the people hyping Williams now will suddenly turn their backs on him in 2024, just like they are currently doing with Young and Stroud.
Too short
System QB
USC QBs have been busts for the most part
etc.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
The running QB stigma isn't what it used to be. With how the college game is going, the dual-threat QB is the future. You don't see many pocket passers any more.
I like Stroud because he throws it where he's looking and his throwing motion looks like maple surple .... Roger Miller .
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Well, I believe you're making the mistake. Watson didn't come up with that course of action. Mulugheta orchestrated that whole deal.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Which is why my 1st choice is Stroud BUT if the team feels that his agent will be an issue. Take Hooker at say #10, and yes it is a trade down. Get some extra picks and a QB with a few issues that are fixable and can sling it. Kid has great deep ball accuracy and short. Great arm and vision and a high IQ.
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I thought the idea was for the GM and HC to share a vision and work together, but you'd rather have a domineering GM that over-rides his coach and scouts? I'm sure glad you have no say in how the Texans operate
I said no such thing.
I want the GM to have the vision & hire the HC to realize that vision. I'm not sure that happened. Cal may have hired DeMeco for emotional purposes.
Still, I expect the GM & Scouts to GM & Scout & HCs to HC. They should spend hours talking together to determine what kind of team they want to build, what kind of players that's going to demand, as well as the type of coaching. If the coach says I need edge rushers & skill positions to turn this thing around, then the GM should put together a plan to get those players. If there's an exceptional talent that isn't a pass rusher or skill position the GM should include that in his plans & explain why to the HC, getting him on board with the plan for that player. If the HC has no need for a running QB who can't throw, he needs to convince the GM that he can't do anything with him & he'd be wasting his time if he put him on the team. If the coach says he wants the tiny QB from Santa Ana, the GM should explain to him that as prospects go, there are several much better. If the HC insists, they need to work it out. If the GM comes around to acquiring the little fella, then it has to become his decision, not just because that's who the coach wants.
When you say the GM gets a player because that's who the HC wants, sounds like you want a domineering HC that over-rides the GM & Scouts.
I don't have a favorite. I'll root for whoever they choose. They all have questions around them that can't/won't be answered until they actually play ball.
But, if he should fail, I'm sure Nick will be an easy scapegoat.
Maybe, but I just don't put it past the McNairs to force the pick. They've done it before, and there is no reason why they won't pull rank and do it again.
Now if they pick Will Anderson at 2, then I'll lean toward it being a DeMeco pick, simply because what defensive mind wouldn't want that potential badass on his defense.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Rick Smith was a GM who over ruled his HC. No clearer proof of that is when they got Brock. OB admitted that he had no idea until he was being introduced to him. Basically, Smith said we need a QB and went to the McNair's and they said OK. I mean Smith is a godfather to Cals kids or is it grand kid? I forgot.