Sentiment Check: Which QB Are You Selecting With The #1.2 Overall Pick (March 8, 2023)

[sandman]

I don't think Mayfield or Murray struggled coming out of college. Mayfield had one of the better rookie QB seasons in recent memory. Murray was the ROY then a Pro Bowler in his 2nd year. Things have turned for both of them. I just don't think that lays at the feet of Lincoln Riley. Riley coaches a college offense, sure. So do the other college coaches.

Fair enough. I could have worded it differently. They both struggled to win games and play consistently.

Murray, just like every year he has played, struggled in the second half of his rookie year. Last 6-7 games he threw for more than 200 yards once I think and had as many INTs as TDs.

Mayfield balled out his rookie year going 6-7, but in 2019 (Murray's rookie year) he was 6-10 and had 21 INT's which didn't lead the league only because we had the Jameis Winston 30:30 year. And he faded badly down the stretch much like Murray did.

All that to say, there may have been some recency effect in the 2020 draft after such bad 2019 second half of year performances by Mayfield and Murray. Call it guilty by association? Maybe.

 

[santo]

 

[Mollywhopper]

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Just replace '2023 QB CLASS' and '2024 QB CLASS' with 'This year's class' and 'Next year's class' and that looks about right..

 

[SnakeEyes]

Mayfield and Murray are similar in size and being touted as a great QB when they got to the NFL. Sadly, both flamed out and/or didn't live up to the hype. What do they have in common with this year's QBs? Both are similar to a certain Bryce Young. Just saying

 

[thunderkyss]

Mayfield and Murray are similar in size and being touted as a great QB when they got to the NFL. Sadly, both flamed out and/or didn't live up to the hype. What do they have in common with this year's QBs? Both are similar to a certain Bryce Young. Just saying

What are you smoking?

Neither Mayfield or Murray played for Alabama. They're nothing alike.

 

[Thorn]

What are you smoking?

What do you think?

 

[wildroot]

Well, I believe you're making the mistake. Watson didn't come up with that course of action. Mulugheta orchestrated that whole deal.

That was his job to come up with the whole deal. Watson tells his agent he wants to be traded, the agents job is to make it happen. I think we came out pretty good in the deal.

 

[Speedy]

That was his job to come up with the whole deal. Watson tells his agent he wants to be traded, the agents job is to make it happen. I think we came out pretty good in the deal.

Signing a big contract with the Texans (with Cal & Easterby) then bailing on it 5 months later, then sitting out a season and getting a free extra $10M on top of the free $25M signing bonus was not Watson's brainchild. He may have said OK, let's do it, but that was a Mulugheta production.

 

[SnakeEyes]

What are you smoking?

Neither Mayfield or Murray played for Alabama. They're nothing alike.

nice one! Only thing that is not alike is Bama

 

[Mangler]

Signing a big contract with the Texans (with Cal & Easterby) then bailing on it 5 months later, then sitting out a season and getting a free extra $10M on top of the free $25M signing bonus was not Watson's brainchild. He may have said OK, let's do it, but that was a Mulugheta production.

It’s ok, karma will take care of Depredator. He’ll more than likely go broke and that celebrity slut will leave him once it’s all said and done.

 

[SnakeEyes]

Saw this and they had us drafting CJ.

12. Houston Texans (via CLE)
Jordan Addison WR, USC
I love the Robert Woods signing by the Texans but I still believe they need some receiver help. Jordan Addison is still my WR1 and he would be a playmaker

 

[SeriousShizzle]

Young or stroud! Dont' be a dumbass and do sumthing fancy!!!!!!!!! This a QB league so draft a qb.

If we go for a Levi, sum SOB team is gonna jump us 100% we all know this

 

[Generic Fan]

Where is Clayton Tune on the list?

 

[DocBar]

2023 NFL Draft: Regrading every first-round QB pick over the last 15 years, from Trevor Lawrence to Joe Flacco - CBSSports.com
Pretty interesting writeup, considering the Texans and this draft.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

2023 NFL Draft: Regrading every first-round QB pick over the last 15 years, from Trevor Lawrence to Joe Flacco - CBSSports.com
Pretty interesting writeup, considering the Texans and this draft.

Interesting how they mixed up the picks for Watson and Mahomes.

 

[Texansphan]

Interesting how they mixed up the picks for Watson and Mahomes.

A quarter of them were home runs (24%), just under half were misses (44%) and almost a third were still being evaluated or incomplete to some degree (32%).
This evaluation process is valid as it encompasses today's modern game.

 

[Mangler]

I wouldn’t be opposed to drafting Will Levis at 2.33 he was a damn good QB for Kentucky. Boy has the height, size, speed, and arm. If Nick gets him another good RB along with a good receiver I actually think he will excel. Especially in a WCO. Do I think he’ll be there at 2.33? Hell no!

 

[The Pencil Neck]

A quarter of them were home runs (24%), just under half were misses (44%) and almost a third were still being evaluated or incomplete to some degree (32%).
This evaluation process is valid as it encompasses today's modern game.

What I was referring to was that they listed us as selecting Watson with Pick 10 and the Chiefs selected Mahomes with Pick 12, when it was actually the other way around.

 

[Speedy]

I wouldn’t be opposed to drafting Will Levis at 2.33 he was a damn good QB for Kentucky. Boy has the height, size, speed, and arm. If Nick gets him another good RB along with a good receiver I actually think he will excel. Especially in a WCO. Do I think he’ll be there at 2.33? Hell no!

If by good you mean he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn past 10 yards then yeah. Very good.

 

[Mangler]

If by good you mean he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn past 10 yards then yeah. Very good.

I don’t know which Kentucky games you watched, or if you even did, but the dude made some great throws throughout the season. Not saying he’s 1st round talent, that’s why I said I wouldn’t mind if they got him at 2.33

 

[Porky]

Levis is more likely then not to be there at 2.33. I won’t be shocked if he falls out of the 2nd round. He is taking his sweet time offending and rubbing every GM and HC in the league the wrong way. Add his iffy accuracy and poor off-season workouts…and you’ve got a guy who I feel will drop like a lead balloon. No thanks for me. Hard pass.

 

[Speedy]

I don’t know which Kentucky games you watched, or if you even did, but the dude made some great throws throughout the season. Not saying he’s 1st round talent, that’s why I said I wouldn’t mind if they got him at 2.33

Better prospect than Mills in my eyes for sure. Still, dude’s got serious accuracy issues. Maybe because he was playing banged up, I don’t know. Top of the 2nd still a little too high for me. But this is a QB starved league so he’ll probably go Day 1. I have no interest doing that even if Texans move back in the 1st.

 

[SnakeEyes]

I don’t know which Kentucky games you watched, or if you even did, but the dude made some great throws throughout the season. Not saying he’s 1st round talent, that’s why I said I wouldn’t mind if they got him at 2.33

Not after the things he has been doing. I don’t know what got into his head. During the season if asked something he had a good reply. Now, he sounds like someone in the WWE cutting a bad guy promo. And his workouts, according to what is posted hasn't been consistent or anything worth watching. Prime example of when a good kid goes bad.

 

[badboy]

Not after the things he has been doing. I don’t know what got into his head. During the season if asked something he had a good reply. Now, he sounds like someone in the WWE cutting a bad guy promo. And his workouts, according to what is posted hasn't been consistent or anything worth watching. Prime example of when a good kid goes bad.

Levis must have been reading mocks having him going higher.

 

[Mangler]

Not after the things he has been doing. I don’t know what got into his head. During the season if asked something he had a good reply. Now, he sounds like someone in the WWE cutting a bad guy promo. And his workouts, according to what is posted hasn't been consistent or anything worth watching. Prime example of when a good kid goes bad.

I need to search for these videos because I’ve honestly have not seen any video of him sounding arrogant or him being a prick. I admit I’ve been extremely busy since February so I have not kept a close eye on any of the draft prospects. I’ll take y’all’s word for it, if the kid is being a douche then it is what it is.

 

[SnakeEyes]

I need to search for these videos because I’ve honestly have not seen any video of him sounding arrogant or him being a prick. I admit I’ve been extremely busy since February so I have not kept a close eye on any of the draft prospects. I’ll take y’all’s word for it, if the kid is being a douche then it is what it is.

Latest Will Levis rumors should keep the Colts away from him come draft night

For guys like C.J. Stroud, Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson, the buzz around their NFL potential has been through the roof over the past month. Fanbases acros

horseshoeheroes.com

 

[DocBar]

Not after the things he has been doing. I don’t know what got into his head. During the season if asked something he had a good reply. Now, he sounds like someone in the WWE cutting a bad guy promo. And his workouts, according to what is posted hasn't been consistent or anything worth watching. Prime example of when a good kid goes bad.

You've gotta remember, this is smoke and mirrors season. This may be 100% accurate, or complete BS. We will know in 3 weeks.

 

[SnakeEyes]

NFL Draft 2023 rumors: Multiple teams have Hendon Hooker as No. 3 QB prospect, ahead of Anthony Richardson

The Tennessee prospect appears to be rising up boards

www.cbssports.com

 

[Corrosion]

NFL Draft 2023 rumors: Multiple teams have Hendon Hooker as No. 3 QB prospect, ahead of Anthony Richardson

The Tennessee prospect appears to be rising up boards

www.cbssports.com

I prefer Hooker over both the little dude and the guy who can't handle pressure who are both going to go in the top 5 ..... the fact that you can probably get him in the 2nd round or later is just a bonus.

 

[SnakeEyes]

I prefer Hooker over both the little dude and the guy who can't handle pressure who are both going to go in the top 5 ..... the fact that you can probably get him in the 2nd round or later is just a bonus.

I agree with you about the little guy

 

[DocBar]

I prefer Hooker over both the little dude and the guy who can't handle pressure who are both going to go in the top 5 ..... the fact that you can probably get him in the 2nd round or later is just a bonus.

It's going to be interesting to revisit this thread in a couple of years. The Texans seem cursed when it comes to high draft picks and needing a QB.

 

[Thorn]

It's going to be interesting to revisit this thread in a couple of years. The Texans seem cursed when it comes to high draft picks and needing a QB.

Except for a year or two with Schaub, and maybe a year or so before DW4's brain softened, we've always needed a QB.

 

[DocBar]

Except for a year or two with Schaub, and maybe a year or so before DW4's brain softened, we've always needed a QB.

There never seems to be a blue chip pick at QB when the Texans draft high. I guess I'll just root for whichever players the Texans draft and hope for the best.

 

[Thorn]

There never seems to be a blue chip pick at QB when the Texans draft high. I guess I'll just root for whichever players the Texans draft and hope for the best.

Pretty much. Whoever the pick is, will be our new QB whether we agree with the pick or not. LOL

 

[BullRushTX]

There never seems to be a blue chip pick at QB when the Texans draft high. I guess I'll just root for whichever players the Texans draft and hope for the best.

I have to try to remember the buzz surrounding the QBs, but from my recollection, the undoubted 1st overall QBs since 2000 have been:

Michael Vick (2001)
Eli Manning (2004)
Jamarcus Russell (lol) (2007)
Matt Stafford (2009)
Cam Newton (2011)
Andrew Luck (2012)
Trevor Lawrence (2021)

I know Vick, Manning, and Lawrence were for sure must picks. The others I can't remember for sure. I remember Luck and Griffin were supposedly 1a and 1b, but that was probably draft bluster.

But consider that guys like Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes, Jackson, Herbert, Allen, and many other quality NFL starters weren't considered the far and away top tier QBs of their class.

Of the blue chippers listed, four didn't win a Super Bowl, Lawrence we'll see, Stafford had to go to a different team to win one, and Manning won two with the help of an amazing defense and is considered a marginal HOFer.

 

[Texansphan]

There never seems to be a blue chip pick at QB when the Texans draft high. I guess I'll just root for whichever players the Texans draft and hope for the best.

The only thing stopping BY from being a "blue chip" candidate is his size.

 

[leebigeztx]

I prefer Hooker over both the little dude and the guy who can't handle pressure who are both going to go in the top 5 ..... the fact that you can probably get him in the 2nd round or later is just a bonus.

That offense and reading of the defense is high school level

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Funny thing about Blue Chip/All the tools/Low bust rate QB's is that the most of the top QB's to ever play in the NFL didn't fit that description when they came out.

Over the past 20 or so years there's only one or two guys I can think of that fit that description and actually won a SB with the team that drafted them and both have the same dad.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Funny thing about Blue Chip/All the tools/Low bust rate QB's is that the most of the top QB's to ever play in the NFL didn't fit that description when they came out.

Over the past 20 or so years there's only one or two guys I can think of that fit that description and actually won a SB with the team that drafted them and both have the same dad.

Just a little further back and you've got Elway. And yes Baltimore drafted him, but everyone knew the score and he was a Bronco before the card was turned in.

But it's a fair question nonetheless. I think the biggest part of it that can't be ignored is how often those 'blue chip' guys go to sh*thouse franchise due to the nature of the draft. It's just as fair a question to wonder both how often those same prospects would have flourished if taken later to a more fit organization and how often those same QBs we've seen flourish would've floundered if the roles were as equally reversed for them.

There's also pressure. Everyone in the league feels pressure to succeed to at minimum keep your job and for many to excel to something greater. Those are the baselines. But the pressure to arrive on the scene of a moribund franchise as it's crowned savior must be gargantuan. For those rare prospects will they respond to that pressure and turn into a diamond or get crushed into oblivion? Those later picked guys don't feel a fraction of that. I'm sure even for Brady when he started for the first time the thought must have been 'I hope this kid that looked like a salvation army employee at the combine just doesn't fumble every 3rd down'. If you're going to take a stud kid early you've really got to think continuously about how you're going to keep his table set up to succeed. He's a crazy talented football player, not a goddamn wizard.

There's also not nearly the sample size for the very, very top of the draft 'blue chip' guys compared to literally every other QB drafted. I doubt the numbers really bare out any better for the 'other guys' if you broke down those that actually made it versus those that just washed out altogether. For every Ryan Leaf there are probably at least 50 or so Nathan Peterman's. But the spotlight and expectation are so far greater for the former than the latter.

Ultimately if I'm in need of a franchise realigning QB and I can choose the super prospect versus getting cute with the sleeper other guy and I'm in rare position to take the super prospect I'm choosing that all day long. It may not work out, there a bajillion variables in play. But if I trust my eval and believe he's got the goods then I'm bang pulling the trigger.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

But it's a fair question nonetheless. I think the biggest part of it that can't be ignored is how often those 'blue chip' guys go to sh*thouse franchise due to the nature of the draft. It's just as fair a question to wonder both how often those same prospects would have flourished if taken later to a more fit organization and how often those same QBs we've seen flourish would've floundered if the roles were as equally reversed for them.

Yep, but goes to show that a good franchise with a good system can take a guy who's not deemed "generational" and help develop them into top tier players. Just gotta get the planets to align or something.

 

[pirbroke]

That offense and reading of the defense is high school level

I would love to know all the cognition test results, I’ve read this is the best year for that test with multiple QB’s scoring high. I wish Hookers was leaked, just curious.

 

[SnakeEyes]

There never seems to be a blue chip pick at QB when the Texans draft high. I guess I'll just root for whichever players the Texans draft and hope for the best.

I think Stroud is going to be pretty good. Very accurate, good arm, can make any throw, good IQ, good size. Only 1 issue is real listed and it is fixable. Can have a drop in accuracy when under pressure. However, watching him and even more so in the last came he played good enough to say he is the top QB. And he was not having any issues with accuracy in that game. I think due to film it's an over hyped situation that someone noticed a few times and nothing serious

 

[thunderkyss]

That offense and reading of the defense is high school level

Is that because he couldn't do more, or a limit of the coaches "system"?

If I were to do a detailed study of these QBs, sure, command of a pro offense is a plus. If he struggles in a pro offense, it's a minus. But if he excels in a simple offense I definitely wouldn't debit him for it

 

[thunderkyss]

Yep, but goes to show that a good franchise with a good system can take a guy who's not deemed "generational" and help develop them into top tier players. Just gotta get the planets to align or something.

I wish we had a team that focuses on building that team before spending big on a QB, in the draft or FA.

I know you can't win without a QB. & this year's FA class aren't the team building kind. But damm.

I hope DeMeco can do this.

 

[Texansphan]

I wish we had a team that focuses on building that team before spending big on a QB, in the draft or FA.

I know you can't win without a QB. & this year's FA class aren't the team building kind. But damm.

I hope DeMeco can do this.

The top 100 in this draft is stacked. Texans have 5 picks in there (including 3 in the top 33) and can easily make another.
They can come out of this draft with 10 new young guys to bolster the roster and on top of that, we had a very useful fa.
There's not a whole lot more you could expect than that in one off-season.

 

[Xopher]

I keep doing these mock drafts where I trade with Seatle for 5, 20, and 37. I would do that all day long. If could trade down a couple spots and pick up a 2nd this year and a 1st and 2nd this year I would do it. This is a really good draft with the first 100 spots. I want as many picks there as I can get. If we pick up a 1st rounder for next year I have no issue trading back this year and trading all 3 1st rounders next year to move up for Williams or Maye

 

[thunderkyss]

There's not a whole lot more you could expect than that in one off-season.

Do you know who you're talking to?

Do you know where you're at?

 

[DocBar]

I wish we had a team that focuses on building that team before spending big on a QB, in the draft or FA.

I know you can't win without a QB. & this year's FA class aren't the team building kind. But damm.

I hope DeMeco can do this.

San Fran won without a marquee QB. They made it to the NFCCG with Jimmy G and Mr. Irrelative. Superior scheme and coaching. I hope DeMeco can bring that.

 

[Thorn]

San Fran won without a marquee QB. They made it to the NFCCG with Jimmy G and Mr. Irrelative. Superior scheme and coaching. I hope DeMeco can bring that.

Yes, they did. But they have better players surrounding their mediocre QBs than we do.

 

[Bluehen Texan]

That offense and reading of the defense is high school level

Is that a negative for him or a question mark? He can’t control what the offensive scheme is. Hooker excelled within the parameters that he was given. He has an arm no matter what the system.