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Sentiment Check: Which QB Are You Selecting With The #1.2 Overall Pick (March 8, 2023)

If You Were GM, Which QB Are You Selecting With The #1.2 Overall Pick


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The1ApplePie

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It’s the coach and the QB. Or the QB and the coach. Get those right and you have a chance. Until then, you’re treading water.
100%. If you have a good QB and the right system, you will always be a contender. You can have all of the pass rushers you want, but if the QB sucks, so will you.

The days of the great defense and game manager QB being relevant are long over.
 

leebigeztx

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I'll say it again. There isn't a QB in this year's draft that I would take in the top 15, and would be hesitant to take any of them in the first round at all.

I like Carter and Anderson, but Carter has some red flags that bother me, and I think I actually like Tyree Wilson's potential more than Anderson. I really like Calijah Kancey, but I have a feeling Mazi Smith is going to end up being the best DT from this draft
Just because you say it, doesn't mean its true. Did you say this last year also? I know I like Stroud more this year than last year. On the board, nearly everyone was talking about Stroud and Young, but now, they're 2nd rate. Guess what's going to happen next year? Its going to be someone else, it always happen. Any position player drafted can underperform, it happens all the time, just look at the can't miss prospects who missed.
 

leebigeztx

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100%. If you have a good QB and the right system, you will always be a contender. You can have all of the pass rushers you want, but if the QB sucks, so will you.

The days of the great defense and game manager QB being relevant are long over.
Yep, the Texans went through this pre Watson
 

leebigeztx

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Hard to see the Panthers giving up that much draft capital for a 5'10 QB who didn't even do any of the combine drills. And then trade their #1 WR on top of that in the deal + Day 1 / early Day 2 picks through 2024 where its going to be hard to find a replacement. Weird logic if so.
Game film matters more. His pro day will ease all those concerns if thats who they want.
 

The1ApplePie

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im so scared usually 90% of the qb taken in round 1 end up being bust but there i always 1 who ends up being a future HOF

i hope we pick the right one
I mean, pass rusher busts make QB busts look respectable. QBs obviously get all the press, but plenty of can't miss pass rushers did absolutely nothing. Saw an article that claimed 50% of 1st round pass rushers are busts.
 

Thorn

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I mean, pass rusher busts make QB busts look respectable. QBs obviously get all the press, but plenty of can't miss pass rushers did absolutely nothing. Saw an article that claimed 50% of 1st round pass rushers are busts.
I'd say 50% of almost ALL draftees are busts. Crap shoots, cattle auctions and the weather have better chances of being good than your NFL draft pick.

Which does NOT excuse drafting KNOWN problems. Like an injury history or arrest records on your prize specimen.
 

Norg

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i stand corrected if your taking a qb u gotta take them in the top 5 and hope u pick the best one on that given year some years all of them are bad
 

thunderkyss

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It’s the coach and the QB. Or the QB and the coach. Get those right and you have a chance. Until then, you’re treading water.
100%. If you have a good QB and the right system, you will always be a contender. You can have all of the pass rushers you want, but if the QB sucks, so will you.

The days of the great defense and game manager QB being relevant are long over.
Yep, the Texans went through this pre Watson
I agree 100% we saw what happens when you get the QB right & not the coach. BO'b.

If we had an experienced OC like Kubiak coming in I'd be more inclined to "find" our QB now.

But when everybody is learning a new job, I'd put off rookie QB for a minute

Edit: I know BO'b had experience, but he had no experience installing an offensive system in the NFL.
 
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vtech9

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Just because you say it, doesn't mean its true. Did you say this last year also? I know I like Stroud more this year than last year. On the board, nearly everyone was talking about Stroud and Young, but now, they're 2nd rate. Guess what's going to happen next year? Its going to be someone else, it always happen. Any position player drafted can underperform, it happens all the time, just look at the can't miss prospects who missed.
There wasn't a QB I liked in the 1st round last year
 

76Texan

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There wasn't a QB I liked in the 1st round last year
Then it's your loss.
Pickett was ranked 20th by both PFF and NFL.com, higher than any QB drafted in the first round in 2021, except for Lawrence.

The Steelers were ranked in the third tier during the preseason by pretty much all the news outlets.

And despite losing T J Watt for a good period of time (and him playing at less than 10% when he came back, the Steelers still finished in the winning column.
They would have made the playoffs had the Jets beat the Dolphins in the last game of the season.
 

thunderkyss

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Then it's your loss.
Pickett was ranked 20th by both PFF and NFL.com, higher than any QB drafted in the first round in 2021, except for Lawrence.

The Steelers were ranked in the third tier during the preseason by pretty much all the news outlets.

And despite losing T J Watt for a good period of time (and him playing at less than 10% when he came back, the Steelers still finished in the winning column.
They would have made the playoffs had the Jets beat the Dolphins in the last game of the season.
Are we arguing Pittsburgh was a better team? I don't think anyone is arguing that. Had our defense been top 10 instead of bottom 5, we may have won more games. None of that means Pickett is a good QB worthy of a 1st round pick.

I'm not arguing that he isn't. Just saying your argument does not support it. Offensively, the Texans with Davis Mills/Kyle Allen was similar.
 

Double Barrel

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With Clowney, we were able to float along at 9-7 for a few years--winning the division and backing into the playoffs a few times--while we were trying to solve the QB riddle, until we got Watson.

If they had taken Bortles, I think the team's trajectory would have been similar to the trajectory of the Jaguars. They would have tried really hard to build a team around him capable of winning. And because he sucked, we would have had a lot of high draft picks with multiple very bad losing seasons so we would have had a very talented team. It probably would have ended O'Brien's tenure in Houston earlier and we probably wouldn't have had to trade up to get Watson.

In the long run, we come around to the same place, but without winning as many games.

JMO.
Funny thing is Bortles got the Jags to a conference championship game, which is something that continues to elude the Houston Texans after two decades.

As far as picking a QB in this draft, I'm just a fan, so I'll root for whoever they decide to pick.

I'm neither a college football fan nor a talent evaluator, so while all of the choices come with inherent concerns (according to the 'experts'), I'm just going to accept whoever they pick as our QB and support them accordingly.

After watching some breakdowns of the potential offensive scheme, I think this staff could find success with a couple of these prospects. Its' very similar to Kubiak's scheme of being QB friendly and all about getting the ball out of his hands and to a playmaker as quickly as possible.
 

vtech9

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Then it's your loss.
Pickett was ranked 20th by both PFF and NFL.com, higher than any QB drafted in the first round in 2021, except for Lawrence.

The Steelers were ranked in the third tier during the preseason by pretty much all the news outlets.

And despite losing T J Watt for a good period of time (and him playing at less than 10% when he came back, the Steelers still finished in the winning column.
They would have made the playoffs had the Jets beat the Dolphins in the last game of the season.
Not my loss at all. Just because a team was desperate enough to take Pickett in the 1st round, doesn't mean he was worth the pick.

For this year, around pick 20 would be where I would take the 1st QB of this class, and it would probably be Stroud if I was set to take one, and I'm not. Young would probably be the 4th QB I would take this year. Levis and Richardson would be late 2nd round picks if I were making the list. An injured Hooker would be 3rd, and then Tiny Tim. Young might prove me wrong, and be a stud in the NFL for years to come. However, if I'm an NFL GM, I am not basing my reputation, and my job, on an outlier. I just don't think Young has the frame to be able to withstand the pounding of being on a bad team in the NFL.
 

Porky

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Your evaluation is so one-dimensional it's not even funny. It's like looking at a scratch drawing on paper of a box compared to looking at an actual box. Oh wait, there are 4 sides, and space inside. Now you're talking 3 dimensional.

You look at one dimension - in this case frame/height/weight, and you put all your eggs into that one basket. Dude, Jimmy G can't stay healthy to save his life. He is 6' 2" and 225 (roughly). So, according to your one-dimensional analysis, the guy should be healthy as an ox.

Daunte Culpepper, Chris Chandler, Robert Griffin III, Jay Cutler...hell the list goes on. All larger-framed guys had constant injury concerns.

Your highly flawed analysis doesn't account for current rules that are damn near flag football concerning QB play, nor the fact that Bryce feels the rush and pressure and has an innate sense to avoid the rush or at least the big hits, that he's not a run first guy and only looks to run when the play breaks down. He understands how (for the most part) to avoid heavy contact. Kyler Murray doesn't have those intangibles yet. Maybe he'll learn them who knows - but Bryce does.

Physically, these two are the closest match, but they don't play the same, thus you cannot make a direct beeline from point A to point B. There are no health guarantees with any player drafted. Hell, I thought Will Fuller was a great pick and he was healthy in college, and he simply could not stay on the field as a pro. It happens - but it's not because Will was Wee little Willie. He had plenty of size. Some guys just don't stay healthy as pointed out with Jimmy, Jay, Daunte, et al.

You're definitely entitled to your opinion, but when the Texans essentially agree with me and take Bryce, there's no crying in your soup! Get on the love train like the O'Jay's and let's roll!
 

76Texan

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Are we arguing Pittsburgh was a better team? I don't think anyone is arguing that. Had our defense been top 10 instead of bottom 5, we may have won more games. None of that means Pickett is a good QB worthy of a 1st round pick.

I'm not arguing that he isn't. Just saying your argument does not support it. Offensively, the Texans with Davis Mills/Kyle Allen was similar.
The Steelers offensive line ranked 26th, 4 spots lower than the Texans.
Their starting RB averaged 3.8ypc.
The Steelers traded away Chase Claypool after 8 games.
The Steelers don't have a dominant receiver nor TE.

Pickett went 6-1 to finish the year.
In the loss (against the Bengals), the Steelers scored 30 points.

Pickett was definitely playing his part, especially as a rookie.
 

76Texan

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Not my loss at all. Just because a team was desperate enough to take Pickett in the 1st round, doesn't mean he was worth the pick.

For this year, around pick 20 would be where I would take the 1st QB of this class, and it would probably be Stroud if I was set to take one, and I'm not. Young would probably be the 4th QB I would take this year. Levis and Richardson would be late 2nd round picks if I were making the list. An injured Hooker would be 3rd, and then Tiny Tim. Young might prove me wrong, and be a stud in the NFL for years to come. However, if I'm an NFL GM, I am not basing my reputation, and my job, on an outlier. I just don't think Young has the frame to be able to withstand the pounding of being on a bad team in the NFL.
See my response to TK above.

Also, the Steelers offense was the youngest in the league.

 
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76Texan

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I'll still pass. The Steelers were still a better team than the Texans last year. Better talent, better coaches, better all around.
I thought you said the Steelers were desperate?

As I had mentioned, their offense was the youngest in the league.
Their offensive line needed help.
They had a bridge QB, but they still drafted Pickett.

That doesn't sound like desperate to me.
 

vtech9

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I thought you said the Steelers were desperate?

As I had mentioned, their offense was the youngest in the league.
Their offensive line needed help.
They had a bridge QB, but they still drafted Pickett.

That doesn't sound like desperate to me.
Whatever you say. I didn't say they were desperate, just desperate enough to take a chance on a QB that, in my mind, should have been a 2nd round pick. It happens every year. Every team reaches, and misses, on one player of another. Sometimes they get it right. Sometimes they don't. Hell, I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time, and won't be the last.
 

thunderkyss

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The Steelers offensive line ranked 26th, 4 spots lower than the Texans.
Their starting RB averaged 3.8ypc.
The Steelers traded away Chase Claypool after 8 games.
The Steelers don't have a dominant receiver nor TE.

Pickett went 6-1 to finish the year.
In the loss (against the Bengals), the Steelers scored 30 points.

Pickett was definitely playing his part, especially as a rookie.
None of this supports your premise. None of this “proves” Pickett is “good.” Their offense was as bad as ours

it’s like saying Garoppolo led the 49ers to the Super Bowl.

again, I’m not arguing either way. My point is saying Pickett QBed a pitiful Texanslike offense does not mean he’s a good QB. I’m not seeing how you’re connecting those dots.
 

Texansphan

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None of this supports your premise. None of this “proves” Pickett is “good.” Their offense was as bad as ours

it’s like saying Garoppolo led the 49ers to the Super Bowl.

again, I’m not arguing either way. My point is saying Pickett QBed a pitiful Texanslike offense does not mean he’s a good QB. I’m not seeing how you’re connecting those dots.
Are we forgetting last season was his rookie year?
 

thunderkyss

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Are we forgetting last season was his rookie year?
Help me out here.

How does that make him worthy of a 1st round pick? Because he was a rookie last year? Brock Purdy was a rookie last year. Are you saying he should have been a 1st round pick?
 

Texansphan

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Help me out here.

How does that make him worthy of a 1st round pick? Because he was a rookie last year? Brock Purdy was a rookie last year. Are you saying he should have been a 1st round pick?
I had him going in the first round. 2022 Steelers were not on the same level as 2022 49ers.
 

76Texan

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None of this supports your premise. None of this “proves” Pickett is “good.” Their offense was as bad as ours

it’s like saying Garoppolo led the 49ers to the Super Bowl.

again, I’m not arguing either way. My point is saying Pickett QBed a pitiful Texanslike offense does not mean he’s a good QB. I’m not seeing how you’re connecting those dots.
No need to prove anything.
Texans offense was terrible saved for Pierce.
But that was mostly because of Mills (and any other QB the Texans trotted out there).

Pickett did more than Mills with less.

He had a worse offensive line and a worse situation at RB.

The Steelers coaching staff had firmly said that they get their QB.

Knowing the guy as being a good HC; I believe he knows what he's doing. When Tomlin says Pickett is good enough for him, who am I to disagree.

You, TK, on the other hand, has only words. :) :runaway:
 

thunderkyss

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You, TK, on the other hand, has only words
I don’t know if Pickett is any good or not. I ask a friend of mine & he says, “the Steelers almost made the playoffs.”

I know he thinks he answered the question, but I ask again he says, “their offense was worse than the Texans.”

now I’m confused. So I ask how does that prove Pickett is a good QB? He tells me, “his OL was worse than Mills’ & their run game.”

I don’t know what to say
 

76Texan

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I don’t know if Pickett is any good or not. I ask a friend of mine & he says, “the Steelers almost made the playoffs.”

I know he thinks he answered the question, but I ask again he says, “their offense was worse than the Texans.”

now I’m confused. So I ask how does that prove Pickett is a good QB? He tells me, “his OL was worse than Mills’ & their run game.”

I don’t know what to say
You certainly don't know how to connect the dots.
 

vtech9

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No need to prove anything.
Texans offense was terrible saved for Pierce.
But that was mostly because of Mills (and any other QB the Texans trotted out there).

Pickett did more than Mills with less.

He had a worse offensive line and a worse situation at RB.

The Steelers coaching staff had firmly said that they get their QB.

Knowing the guy as being a good HC; I believe he knows what he's doing. When Tomlin says Pickett is good enough for him, who am I to disagree.

You, TK, on the other hand, has only words. :) :runaway:
Seriously dude, what have you been smoking? The Texans had Damien Pierce, but overall, the Steelers had a better RB room. As far as the Oline goes, the Texans may have had better starting OT's, but the IOL? Nope.
 
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76Texan

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I don’t know if Pickett is any good or not. I ask a friend of mine & he says, “the Steelers almost made the playoffs.”

I know he thinks he answered the question, but I ask again he says, “their offense was worse than the Texans.”

now I’m confused. So I ask how does that prove Pickett is a good QB? He tells me, “his OL was worse than Mills’ & their run game.”

I don’t know what to say
Weren't you one of the guys who keeps saying that the QB needs a good offensive line?
Weren't you one that kepts drumming that the Texans shouldn't draft a QB until they build an online and improve their running game on top of Pierce?
 

vtech9

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Weren't you one of the guys who keeps saying that the QB needs a good offensive line?
Weren't you one that kepts drumming that the Texans shouldn't draft a QB until they build an online and improve their running game on top of Pierce?
I'm one of those. I think the Texans need to build both the Oline and Dline before trying to reach on a QB in a poor QB draft class.
 

76Texan

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Seriously dude, what have you been smoking? The Texans had Damien Pierce, but overall, the Steelers had a better RB room. As far as the Oline goes, the Texans may have had better starting OT's, but the IOL? Nope.
Harris carried most of their load (272 attempts as opposed to 220 for Pierce).
When that primary RB doesn't get there; I know you were among those who complained that the QB needs help.
Same goes with the offensive line.

You and TK are talking nonsense to try to prove your points.
 

vtech9

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Harris carried most of their load (272 attempts as opposed to 220 for Pearce).
When that primary RB doesn't get there; I know you were among those why complained that the QB needs help.
Same goes with the offensive line.

You and TK are talking nonsense to try to prove your points.
Maybe in your mind. To us, you are the one spouting nonsense.
 

thunderkyss

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Weren't you one of the guys who keeps saying that the QB needs a good offensive line?
Weren't you one that kepts drumming that the Texans shouldn't draft a QB until they build an online and improve their running game on top of Pierce?
None of that is evidence that Pickett is a good QB.
 


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