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Sentiment Check: Which QB Are You Selecting With The #1.2 Overall Pick (March 8, 2023)

If You Were GM, Which QB Are You Selecting With The #1.2 Overall Pick

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banned1976 said:
And that therein is the argument. Take a potentially elite pass rusher or a pretty good quarterback. But...the Texans might be good enough in 2023 to not be able to get one of those top quarterbacks in '24. Would you rather have a bird in the hand or two in the bush?
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So, I guess the question is do you want Julius Peppers when you could have a David Carr or a Joey Harrington?

If you draft a position just because you need that position and not because you think the guy at that position is the right guy for you, then I think you're making a huge mistake. I don't want to spend years investing time and energy into a Baker Mayfield or a Mitchell Trubisky.

Sure, if you think it's a question between Peyton Manning and Aaron Donald, then you go Manning. But that's why this is all just a matter of opinion at this point. If this staff thinks that Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, or any of these other guys are going to be a Franchise QB, then they should take him.

Whoever they pick, I'm going to be rooting for him, but I don't agree with the philosophy that we're probably not going to have another pick this high so we might as well take a shot on a QB regardless of whether it's Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning just because that's a position of need.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Whoever they pick, I'm going to be rooting for him, but I don't agree with the philosophy that we're probably not going to have another pick this high so we might as well take a shot on a QB regardless of whether it's Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning just because that's a position of need.
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Ooops. I forgot I was going to say this:

You don't have to have the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft to get a franchise QB. Mahomes was taken 10th, Brees 32nd, Rodgers 24th, Roethlisberger 11th.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
So, I guess the question is do you want Julius Peppers when you could have a David Carr or a Joey Harrington?

If you draft a position just because you need that position and not because you think the guy at that position is the right guy for you, then I think you're making a huge mistake. I don't want to spend years investing time and energy into a Baker Mayfield or a Mitchell Trubisky.

Sure, if you think it's a question between Peyton Manning and Aaron Donald, then you go Manning. But that's why this is all just a matter of opinion at this point. If this staff thinks that Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, or any of these other guys are going to be a Franchise QB, then they should take him.

Whoever they pick, I'm going to be rooting for him, but I don't agree with the philosophy that we're probably not going to have another pick this high so we might as well take a shot on a QB regardless of whether it's Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning just because that's a position of need.
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I've been on the Anderson/Carter bandwagon for a couple months now. I'm just playing devils advocate.
 
Xopher said:
Because they are saying to draft a QB with 1.2 all of them are junk at that position. One of the worst QB drafts in recent history.
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That's the thing guy, you're saying all of them are junk..

The people saying they'd like to see one of them drafted at 1.2 aren't saying they're junk..

And if by 'recent history' you mean just last year than I'd agree, as it was undoubtedly worse..
 
Xopher said:
The top 4 next year are better than any of the top 4 this year. Williams, Maye, Penix, Ewers. This year is an extremely poor QB draft . Young is just the best of a bad QB draft. There is enough draft capital next year to move up. It also depends on who needs a QB next year. If the Colts, Raiders, and Carolina draft one this year, who needs one next year? Maybe Chicago?
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Xopher said:
I can understand that. If Young were to have been in next year's draft he would probably be the 3rd QB taken. Stroud the 5th, or flip them. Neither one would be the 1st or 2nd. So it isn't like you have to target 1 QB in next year's draft. You can target 2 or 3 and get better than Young and Stroud
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Crystal balls for everyone!!!
 
The Pencil Neck said:
You don't have to have the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft to get a franchise QB. Mahomes was taken 10th, Brees 32nd, Rodgers 24th, Roethlisberger 11th.
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You just have to know a HOFer when you see one. Piece of cake.

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Number19 said:
DraftBuzz says he's slight of frame and NFL physicality will be an issue.

So, since he's supposedly 6'1", a slight frame is not an issue as it is with Young?
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If Young was 6’1” there would be less questions about him and he would be the undisputed first pick more like Burrow and Lawerence. There was an article not too long ago that said as much. He is 3 inches shorter than Williams and plays at about 20 lbs less too.

If Young had Williams size I am starting to think I would take Young over Williams. Williams is said to have maturity issues. And he paints his nails.
 
Well, Im a dude so I'd say... sure... it's only three inches difference and size don't matter.

However women say three inches can be the difference between getting to the big game and going home disappointed.
 
TexansBull said:
If Young was 6’1” there would be less questions about him and he would be the undisputed first pick more like Burrow and Lawerence. There was an article not too long ago that said as much. He is 3 inches shorter than Williams and plays at about 20 lbs less too.

If Young had Williams size I am starting to think I would take Young over Williams. Williams is said to have maturity issues. And he paints his nails.
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Williams......gonna tag this for recall...paints his nails???
 
TexansBull said:
If Young was 6’1” there would be less questions about him and he would be the undisputed first pick more like Burrow and Lawerence. There was an article not too long ago that said as much. He is 3 inches shorter than Williams and plays at about 20 lbs less too.

If Young had Williams size I am starting to think I would take Young over Williams. Williams is said to have maturity issues. And he paints his nails.
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I had a West Coast friend call him a bigger and better Kyler Murray in terms of coachability. We have a year though before we are in the middle of finding every single undotted i and uncrossed t from Caleb.
 
KA4Texan said:
Well, Im a dude so I'd say... sure... it's only three inches difference and size don't matter.

However women say three inches can be the difference between getting to the big game and going home disappointed.
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Culminating with a glitter explosion at the end of the big game
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Nothing.

Like I told Mollywhopper, I have greater confidence in the defensive players in this draft than the QBs. What you're telling me is that I should ignore how I feel about these players and should instead draft someone I have doubts about because YOU don't have those same doubts.

And the guy we should have taken in that 2014 draft wasn't Bortles but Donald.

But none of that matters because it's a question about opinion.
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Clowney went 1st that year right and Mack 2nd. Donald went 13th. Oakland got it right, Jacksonville didn't, nor did Texans even though Clowney wasn't a bust.
 
leebigeztx said:
Clowney went 1st that year right and Mack 2nd. Donald went 13th. Oakland got it right, Jacksonville didn't, nor did Texans even though Clowney wasn't a bust.
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Right, but in many circles at that time, the discussion for our pick was mostly between Bortles or Clowney... which ended up being the wrong discussion completely.

If we had taken a QB just to take a QB, we would have made an even worse choice than we ended up making. The right choice isn't to just take a player because you need that position; you need to take a player who's going to be good for a long time.
 
JB said:
So look into your crystal ball and tell me who that player is this year...

Winning power ball numbers would be appreciated also
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Mine says "Reply Hazy Try Again"

Of course mine is a black plastic magic ball with an "8" on it..... crystal is FAAAAR to fancy and expensive for my budget.
 
Hindsight is 20/20 but objectively speaking, CJ and Bryce are superior prospects to Bortles predraft. He had some tools to work with but couldnt put it together. There are no guarantees for any player at any spot drafted anywhere. You make the best choice you can with the info at hand and roll.

BTW, im not that wild about the top two D propects either. Carter in Particular has a ton of red flags to me, and I see good but not truly great in Anderson and wont live up to top 5. Just my opinion.

But i could be wrong. The Texans could be wrong. The Panthers could be wrong. Its a crapshoot.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Right, but in many circles at that time, the discussion for our pick was mostly between Bortles or Clowney... which ended up being the wrong discussion completely.

If we had taken a QB just to take a QB, we would have made an even worse choice than we ended up making. The right choice isn't to just take a player because you need that position; you need to take a player who's going to be good for a long time.
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I wasn't a Bortles fan because he threw the ball like a smaller guy. For the sake of this discussion, had the Texans taken Bortles, would anything have changed with the Texans ? Its about getting the player right. The right player was Mack, not Clowney or Bortles. Bortles isn't rated nearly as high as Young or Stroud from this draft.
 
I'll say it again. There isn't a QB in this year's draft that I would take in the top 15, and would be hesitant to take any of them in the first round at all.

I like Carter and Anderson, but Carter has some red flags that bother me, and I think I actually like Tyree Wilson's potential more than Anderson. I really like Calijah Kancey, but I have a feeling Mazi Smith is going to end up being the best DT from this draft
 
76Texan said:
Who do you think they trade up to number one for?
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somehow, i'm too invested in this draft to keep out emotion
the view has been fire
even more than when we had the #1 pick MW/VY/RB times

i'm hoping we get flawed Bryce
i root for him despite knowing he's a longshot
last i felt this about a draft pick was Iverson (completely different reasons) ... yeah, perhaps we won;t win the championship but it'll be an intresting ride
 
76Texan said:
I think the Panthers will take Young.
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Hard to see the Panthers giving up that much draft capital for a 5'10 QB who didn't even do any of the combine drills. And then trade their #1 WR on top of that in the deal + Day 1 / early Day 2 picks through 2024 where its going to be hard to find a replacement. Weird logic if so.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
So, I guess the question is do you want Julius Peppers when you could have a David Carr or a Joey Harrington?

If you draft a position just because you need that position and not because you think the guy at that position is the right guy for you, then I think you're making a huge mistake. I don't want to spend years investing time and energy into a Baker Mayfield or a Mitchell Trubisky.

Sure, if you think it's a question between Peyton Manning and Aaron Donald, then you go Manning. But that's why this is all just a matter of opinion at this point. If this staff thinks that Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, or any of these other guys are going to be a Franchise QB, then they should take him.

Whoever they pick, I'm going to be rooting for him, but I don't agree with the philosophy that we're probably not going to have another pick this high so we might as well take a shot on a QB regardless of whether it's Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning just because that's a position of need.
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Thousand percent. And in 2002 I understood Carr over Peppers. But in this case now? Best player available. Give me Anderson.


I wanted Carr. I wanted Mario Williams. I wanted Khalil Mack.
 
leebigeztx said:
I wasn't a Bortles fan because he threw the ball like a smaller guy. For the sake of this discussion, had the Texans taken Bortles, would anything have changed with the Texans ? Its about getting the player right. The right player was Mack, not Clowney or Bortles. Bortles isn't rated nearly as high as Young or Stroud from this draft.
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With Clowney, we were able to float along at 9-7 for a few years--winning the division and backing into the playoffs a few times--while we were trying to solve the QB riddle, until we got Watson.

If they had taken Bortles, I think the team's trajectory would have been similar to the trajectory of the Jaguars. They would have tried really hard to build a team around him capable of winning. And because he sucked, we would have had a lot of high draft picks with multiple very bad losing seasons so we would have had a very talented team. It probably would have ended O'Brien's tenure in Houston earlier and we probably wouldn't have had to trade up to get Watson.

In the long run, we come around to the same place, but without winning as many games.

JMO.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Hard to see the Panthers giving up that much draft capital for a 5'10 QB who didn't even do any of the combine drills. And then trade their #1 WR on top of that in the deal + Day 1 / early Day 2 picks through 2024 where its going to be hard to find a replacement. Weird logic if so.
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What's logic?

We're dealing with humans here. Our logic can be flaw at times.

My logic is that when one thinks one has a chance at drafting a QB that one has confidence in (hopefully becoming a top ten QB within 3-5 years), one just has to go for it.

For example, I was willing to take Russell Wilson (I was indifferent to Mercilus anyway) even with the first pick back then.
I had say no to guys like Tannehill, Weeden, Osweiler, etc.

But I would also take Kirk Cousins (instead of Keeshawn Martin).

In fact, I went so far to propose that the Texans triple-dipped to take Keenum (instead of Bullock).
I wasn't going to wait until he went undrafted.

If the Texans had gone with that logic, would they have been wrong?

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This time around, I propose the same approach.

Young at 1.2, Richardson at 1.12 and Tune in the 4th or 5th round.
104th overall (which is what the Texans have) might be a tad early so maybe trade down a bit here.
Or use a couple of 6th round picks (the Texans have four of them) to move up.

The QB position is too important not to pay attention to.
 
leebigeztx said:
I wasn't a Bortles fan because he threw the ball like a smaller guy. For the sake of this discussion, had the Texans taken Bortles, would anything have changed with the Texans ? Its about getting the player right. The right player was Mack, not Clowney or Bortles. Bortles isn't rated nearly as high as Young or Stroud from this draft.
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Could have taken Mack or Donald. Still would have had the same number of Super Bowl rings.

It’s the coach and the QB. Or the QB and the coach. Get those right and you have a chance. Until then, you’re treading water.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Thousand percent. And in 2002 I understood Carr over Peppers. But in this case now? Best player available. Give me Anderson.


I wanted Carr. I wanted Mario Williams. I wanted Khalil Mack.
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I wanted Peppers over Carr.
I never did think highly of him.
I didn't hate him (just like I didn't hate Mills); I just didn't see some of the traits that I like to see in a QB.

Some of us was debating between Mack and Donald in the draft forum; I had liked them both, but I had it in my mind that Bob McNair was going to dictate that the Texans take a GameCock; it's a moot point anyway.
 
1.2 Will Anderson
1.12 Jalen Carter

Trade up from round two to mid/late 1st to select Anthony Richardson.

Run Mills for one more year while AR learns. With Mills under center another year, we can draft another QB next year. If AR doesn't catch on...it's open competition between AR and the new rookie for 2024 to start.
 
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