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Selection 2.33: Xavier Su'a-Filo OG
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CloakNNNdagger
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Any soft tissue injury [most likely ligament(s) of the ankle] fir a big guy.......who suffers such injury in the preseason.........and who has had known conditioning problems..........is at a higher risk of a longer than expected recovery, and a more chronic and recurrent future of said injury. I have had high hopes for Filo. I hope he puts max effort in his well-being.
What would be expectaions of his well being
CloakNNNdagger
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As I believe he has suffered an ankle or high ankle sprain, 1-2 week return (pretty short recovery) would be a very generous estimate. Either way, this type of injury could haunt him intermittently throughout the season.
So the part about "resuming football activities in the next week or 2" is maybe unrealistic and overly optimistic ?
CloakNNNdagger
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It would have to be a very minor "tweak" of the ankle to be realistic. Meanwhile, he better be concentrating on his conditioning in that poor conditioning always compromises injury recovery and sets up for re-injury.
infantrycak
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I'm having a bit of a hard time with this conditioning story. During OTAs the Texans ran a story on how great a shape he was in and how he had remade his body through his dedicated offseason. Then this crops up in TC at the same time his position becomes uncertain. And I know conditioning and weight room aren't the same thing but it still seems odd he was so dedicated in one and failed utterly in the other (all under the supervision of the Texans' training staff).
Since folks are so fond of Belichick comparisons, he is not only the king of opacity, he's also the king of disinformation.
Marshall
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Is this like having loose joints? I have that and was prone to more, but less severe sprains as I grew up. It even fooled a doctor at A&M once who thought I had disconnected a knee ligament (pre MRI timeframe) after a bicycle accident. Fortunately I was examined by a more seasoned doctor in pre-op who told me about the loose joints.
Would the additional stresses of NFL contact make anyone with loose joints more susceptible to severe injury?
CloakNNNdagger
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I know exactly what you're saying. But one of the most feared times coaches have is during the breaks in formal oversight of their players, such as between OTAs and the beginning of TC. I'm not sure that Filo maintained a strict regimen under the continued supervision of the Texans training staff. Could be that he did. But if he didn't, a player in that short of a period of time is unlikely to loose his muscle/body habitus, whereas it takes only a surprisingly short amount of time to lose his level of conditioning.
CloakNNNdagger
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Exactly. ligaments once stretched will seldom go back to true pre-injury strength and length. They cannot be built up like muscle, but, if possible, must many times rely on strengthening the muscles that protect the stability of the joints involved in the ligament damage. Unfortunately, the ankle and foot, as opposed to the knee, have very few and very small muscles that support that stability to begin with.
xtruroyaltyx
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Chris Meyers was actually on the radio talking about this today.
badboy
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Yep and I posted OB bragged on Sua'fila's shape and how he was working out in off season while Nix remained in Florida. I am not doubting the pedal issue but hard to blame on conditioning.
xtruroyaltyx
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There's something not right about it. That's for sure. I'm wondering if that whole mixing and matching thing was made up for xsf. Mixing and matching doesn't make any sense unless your position is up for grabs and not being a starter on the first day of pads means something.
I wonder what's going on with him. This injury thing is too convenient. Almost gives him another year to say the injury set him too far back to have a legit shot at grabbing the starting spot.
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The injury was witnessed at the end of a practice.
XSF increased his upper body strength but was still getting gassed. I think there are technique issues, as well. He was in the doghouse before the injury.
I have been unable to confirm one way or the other about the possibility of last year's back injury persisting.
XSF increased his upper body strength but was still getting gassed. I think there are technique issues, as well. He was in the doghouse before the injury.
I have been unable to confirm one way or the other about the possibility of last year's back injury persisting.
Time to start groveling at Chris Myers' feet?
The Pencil Neck
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If we move Jones back to LG and stick Myers in at C, I think we get weaker at two spots. I'm kinda liking Ben Jones at C, more than I like him at LG. And I don't know if you've seen Myers recently, but he's looking like he's lost some weight.
CloakNNNdagger
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Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli 7m7 minutes ago
O'Brien says Xavier Su'a-Filo will not play Sunday. "Hopefully we'll get him back in the last preseason game." #Texans
O'Brien says Xavier Su'a-Filo will not play Sunday. "Hopefully we'll get him back in the last preseason game." #Texans
I dunno I'm not sure if that's good news, because guys who are expected to play in the regular season opener are usually held out of the final preseason game ?
welsh texan
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Pretty sure they give guys coming back from injury some game reps if the situation warrants, wouldn't read much into it either way at this point.
The Pencil Neck
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Happens all the time. If a guy is injured or rehabbing, it's common for them to be held out of the 3rd preseason game, even though it's considered the "dress rehearsal" for the opener.
IIRC, Cushing was held out of the 3rd preseason game his rookie year because he was rehabbing his hamstring.
I don't think Ladanian Tomlinson played in a single 3rd preseason game in his time with the Chargers after his rookie year.
As long as XSF can get healthy, I'm fine. It's the NOT getting healthy that has me worried.
xtruroyaltyx
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I'm more concerned with him becoming a good player. Last image I have of him is from last season and he wasn't good.
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Confirmed, high ankle sprain.
Anywhere from 4-6 weeks, almost guaranteed to give him problems throughtout the season until he can get extended rest.
welsh texan
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Seen high ankle sprain plenty enough to know that this guy will see the field if they have him as #1 on the depth chart and play terribly because of it.
Thats his first two seasons in the league a write off then fingers crossed for the 3rd lol.
Thats his first two seasons in the league a write off then fingers crossed for the 3rd lol.
He certainly didn't show much, especially for being the 33rd overall pick. I'm very concerned that with all his setbacks he will struggle yet again. Our O Line has looked terrible at times in the preseason. Arian can only do so much to make the O Line look good
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Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL
Source says left guard Xavier Su'a-Filo on track for Texans' season opener, first week of practice
Source says left guard Xavier Su'a-Filo on track for Texans' season opener, first week of practice
badboy
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hopefully he is not a "no hitter"I wonder if there's gonna be a 'pitch count'?
sandman
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That is the "goooooooaaaaaaaalllllll!!!!"
CloakNNNdagger
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Just as long as he takes no more "booty" calls during the season...........
badboy
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even at halftime?
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Aaron Wilson@AaronWilson_NFL
More optimism now surrounding Texans left guard Xavier Su'a-Filo and his foot-ankle soft-tissue injury. Has made lot of progress, per source
More optimism now surrounding Texans left guard Xavier Su'a-Filo and his foot-ankle soft-tissue injury. Has made lot of progress, per source
xtruroyaltyx
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Is he going to start?
CloakNNNdagger
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A "foot-ankle soft tissue injury" is a strange way to refer to a high ankle sprain.
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I'll be shocked if he does.
They're sportswriters, not doctors... Doc.
The Pencil Neck
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Anything to keep people from figuring out what his real problem is: a hangnail.
Texans organization beginning to remind me of the US Gubmint .... keep us arguing about Su'a-Filo so we forget about Hoyer & Mallett.
We are going to know soon enough about our offense now: when do we face another defense as good as what the Chiefs have ? My guess would be Buffalo ? Might as well go against one of the best in the opener and see what Hoyer and the rest of the offensive unit have ? It's good we don't have to play in KC because that's a tough crowd at Arrowhead.
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Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26
Bill O'Brien says Xavier Su'a-Filo's situation is "touch and go" and it doesn't look good for him playing on Sunday. #Texans
O'Brien said it doesnt look good for Xavier Su'a-Filo to play on Sunday, said he couldn't do much today at practice (due to injury).
O'Brien said it doesnt look good for Xavier Su'a-Filo to play on Sunday, said he couldn't do much today at practice (due to injury).
CloakNNNdagger
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At 1st, it was 1-2 weeks..........then it was hopefully by the last preseason game............then it was the 1st regular season game.......now it won't be until after the 1st regular season game.
Makes me wonder why they couldn't just wait for the more typical conservative side of the 4-8 weeks, especially for a 300 pounder who is expected to plant and torque. The best way to significantly set back a player or introduce chronic instability into the equation of a high ankle sprain is to bring him back and stress those ligaments before they're ready.
What bothers me is that no one really knows whether X can get the job done if healthy. How much camp did he have? Any? There's not a legit backup. The lack of attention to the LG position has been really disappointing to me.
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2015/09/texans-dont-expect-xavier-sua-filo-to-play-in-opener/
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THis is so disappointing and frustrating ! Dammit !
bah007
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This sounds so much like the **** they pulled last year with Clowney.
One of our guys could have his head chopped off Saturday and they'd be telling us he's good to go on Sunday.
If this is just the **** they tell the media and they were really preparing the whole time like X wasn't gonna be ready then that's one thing. But based on the look of the depth chart I'm gonna guess that's a no. They seem to have no ability to differentiate between when they'd like to have a guy back and when he will actually be able to come back.
Bulls on Parade
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That high of a draft pick I was hoping for a solid starter.
Didn't the Vikings trade up one pick ahead and nabbed Bridgewater?
We blow so many third and fourth-rounders as well.
Could have added one along with pick #33 to the Seahawks for #32?
We could have made a stronger offer than the Vikings.
We took Nix and Savage, for example, when Teddy is better.
I'd almost wish we had Teddy Bridgewater (last pick in round one) over all three players taken in the second, third and fourth round of that draft. I'd have been okay dealing them all. The draft value is mass over-pay but in terms of who we selected seems like we made a mistake.
Valuing draft picks is one thing. Actually drafting good players who stay healthy is another.
Didn't the Vikings trade up one pick ahead and nabbed Bridgewater?
We blow so many third and fourth-rounders as well.
Could have added one along with pick #33 to the Seahawks for #32?
We could have made a stronger offer than the Vikings.
We took Nix and Savage, for example, when Teddy is better.
I'd almost wish we had Teddy Bridgewater (last pick in round one) over all three players taken in the second, third and fourth round of that draft. I'd have been okay dealing them all. The draft value is mass over-pay but in terms of who we selected seems like we made a mistake.
Valuing draft picks is one thing. Actually drafting good players who stay healthy is another.
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I think a lot of fans here wanted Teddy. Unfortunately OB wasn't one of them.
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Marshall
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Would you happen to have recommendations for a clairvoyant to add to the Texans medical staff?
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I hope he becomes a bust. But so far he's done well for the Vikings.
A lot of people expect him to have a breakout year this season.
O'Brien was very high on Tom Savage but the dude can't stay healthy.
Bulls on Parade
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We need CloakNDagger in charge of the Texans medical staff. He'd do a better job. It's pretty ridiculous we can't keep our top four picks from that draft class healthy. Well in Nix's case his injury is the Giants problem now. Ironically it's Jadeveon Clowney that is now the healthiest of the bunch and ready to play on Sunday. And he's had the tougher road towards returning to the field.
dream_team
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We could have, but did the Texans have a chance? Did they know the Seahawks were looking to deal the pick? Realistically, think about it... the draft is at pick #32, you have pick #33, are you ever thinking... "I better trade up ONE more pick just to make sure I get my guy", especially when you know the team at pick 32 won't take your guy. If Rick traded a 3rd rounder + the 33rd pick, to move up just one spot to get Teddy, he would have been criticized even more... and probably would have been looked at as the dumbest move ever!
Becareful of what you say... these guys have all played just ONE year, we have no idea how these guys' careers will turn out. Guys like Cousins, Kaepernick, Foles were all looked at as long-time franchise QBs after their first year... now they're barely hanging onto their starting jobs.
infantrycak
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A - you don't think the Seahawks gave Houston a chance to out bid? I'd consider that awful bad work by their GM.
B - low 1st round picks are very commonly traded to pull off jumps exactly like what happened. It was discussed that day during the draft on here, by the analyists, etc. with exactly the perception someone would need to jump Houston to get TB. We are not talking about hindsight.
dream_team
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Valid points... but the point I'm trying to make is we simply don't know. I don't think it's fair to criticize when we don't know the facts. We don't know what exactly went down between the Vikings & Seahawks. Vikings GM could have said "this deal is only valid if you take it now", which is a common tactic I use in Fantasy.
But TBH, in my opinion, I think BOB did not like Teddy. He passed up on Blake, Jimmy G... so it seems evident BOB is looking for a specific skillset in QB. If he can't get that, he doesn't want to invest alot in a particular QB, so is willing to use stopgaps until that QB is on our roster.