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Selection 2.33: Xavier Su'a-Filo OG

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dwight pugoy said:
The o-line problem has deteriorated to the point the letting a guys like XSF or Allen go can do more harm than good. with out them, there is zero foundation to build on. How often does a complete revamp ever works.
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Pulling out one of the medical charts I use to communicate with my younger patients, I find that our Oline has no "solid" foundation and is classified somewhere between a shaky type 6 and type 7.

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dwight pugoy said:
The o-line problem has deteriorated to the point the letting a guys like XSF or Allen go can do more harm than good. with out them, there is zero foundation to build on. How often does a complete revamp ever works.
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I could get on board with signing James in the 3rd and drafting 3 OL in the 3rd/4th to create depth and competition.
 
Concerning to me is taking four years to evaluate and develop Su'a Fila and not only end up with such a poor player but no back up plan after three years going into 2017. What did coaches see that said "this guy is a solid LG!"? Arguably, minimal improvement caused hope like a glimpse from the cute cheerleader but never fulfillment. X and Newton hung around for years which should not have happened. I hear about infrastructure in the news and we need some of that on this team. Not too many seasons ago Texans Oline went all season with same players missing few if any games.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Pulling out one of the medical charts I use to communicate with my younger patients, I find that our Oline has no "solid" foundation and is classified somewhere between a shaky type 6 and type 7.

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Doctor humor, nice. I always look for a smile and a big thumbs up from my turds, though if that dudes wearing shades I'm going in for a colonoscopy and probably emergency surgery.
 
ESAD2-14 said:
Doctor humor, nice. I always look for a smile and a big thumbs up from my turds, though if that dudes wearing shades I'm going in for a colonoscopy and probably emergency surgery.
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I always have a big smile after a dump.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Minnesota did one this year...

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/11/21/16679482/minnesota-vikings-offensive-line
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Minnesota was at the exact same spot as the Texans were last season on the OL. Minnesota was pro active and fixed their OL. Ricky not so much.

Imagine if Ricky could have been forward thinking and traded for DW4 and then spent the pile of cash he was sitting on to fix the OL. We would be having a different discussion this off-season. Which is why Ricky lost his job. (Not being able to get ahead of the curve.)
 
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steelbtexan said:
Imagine if Ricky could have been forward thinking and traded for DW4 and then spent the pile of cash he was sitting on to fix the OL. We would be having a different discussion this off-season. Which is why Ricky lost his job. (Not being able to get ahead of the curve.)
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FA occurs prior to the draft. There's no way Smith could have known Watson would be available in a trade up at that point. Ricky lost his job because he signed Brock and then had to fork over a 2nd round pick to dump him a year later.
 
Lucky said:
FA occurs prior to the draft. There's no way Smith could have known Watson would be available in a trade up at that point. Ricky lost his job because he signed Brock and then had to fork over a 2nd round pick to dump him a year later.
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He may not have known, but he should've been committed to moving up to get his QB of the future and fixing the OL in FA. Instead of hoping Romo would join the team. Even if Ricky would've gotten Romo he wouldn't survived the season behind this OL. A truly terrible plan.

The NFL needs to move the draft before FA so these type of things dont happen. # Peterson to the Saints. The draft going 1st will also help the NFL become a better product. Which means this will never happen under God'ell's watch.
 
infantrycak said:
Sorry, not familiar. Care to explain?
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The Saints signed Peterson, then went BPA and drafted Kamara. Kamara was the real deal and beat out Peterson. Peterson was then traded to Arz. The bonus $$$$ Peterson got and roster spot was wasted because FA comes before the draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
The Saints signed Peterson, then went BPA and drafted Kamara. Kamara was the real deal and beat out Peterson. Peterson was then traded to Arz. The bonus $$$$ Peterson got and roster spot was wasted because FA comes before the draft.
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So? And lol - Kamara had 15 carries when Peterson was traded. He was on a 2 year $7 mil deal ($2.5 mil bonus). They could have kept him and still had an incredibly cheap backfield. They made a bad decision to trade and wasted their own money.

Oh and Peterson wasn't some hot commodity. They signed him 2 days before the draft, almost 2 mos into free agency. And Ingram was the starter while Kamara played receiver.

Bad judgment by the Saints isn't a good reason to change.
 
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Lucky said:
FA occurs prior to the draft. There's no way Smith could have known Watson would be available in a trade up at that point. Ricky lost his job because he signed Brock and then had to fork over a 2nd round pick to dump him a year later.
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The talk during the FA early period was that all 3 top QB's would be available for the Texans pick, then Chicago took Trubisky and the Chiefs traded up for Mahomes and then Ricky's deal withe the Browns for Os paid dividends... year purely conjecture, but reasonable
 
infantrycak said:
So? And lol - Kamara had 15 carries when Peterson was traded. He was on a 2 year $7 mil deal ($2.5 mil bonus). They could have kept him and still had an incredibly cheap backfield. They made a bad decision to trade and wasted their own money.

Oh and Peterson wasn't some hot commodity. They signed him 2 days before the draft, almost 2 mos into free agency. And Ingram was the starter while Kamara played receiver.

Bad judgment by the Saints isn't a good reason to change.
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This happens more often than you think and is unnecessary.

I bet you weren't for changing the extra point rule, until God'ell was for it.
 
Getting back to X, I wonder what he'd be like if he had formidable coaching during his learning years. He had promise and his issues seem to be mostly technical imo

I know he's bad, but was he destined for 'that bad'?
 
steelbtexan said:
The Saints signed Peterson, then went BPA and drafted Kamara. Kamara was the real deal and beat out Peterson. Peterson was then traded to Arz. The bonus $$$$ Peterson got and roster spot was wasted because FA comes before the draft.
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One last point on this, reversing the order wouldn't have changed anything. Have the draft Mar. 1st and free agency 2 mos later on April. 27th, the Saints still wouldn't have known what they had in 3rd round Kamara. Saints OTAs started May 23rd (as if you can tell what a RB will do from those). Odds are they still sign AP to that cheap contract.
 
infantrycak said:
Your guesswork is consistent - wrong.

Pssst - Goodell doesn't change rules.



What I know happens every year for every team is addressing needs in free agency.
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And waste $$$ doing so because of the order the NFL does business.

We aren't going to agree.

BTW, if God'ell wanted this it would happen. See: Moving the Draft/ London/Thursday Night were his ideas.
 
steelbtexan said:
BTW, if God'ell wanted this it would happen. See: Moving the Draft/ London/Thursday Night were his ideas.
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Idea and authority are not the same thing. The owners make these changes not Goodell.

As for your examples, two were under Tagliabue and one wasn't the NFL's idea much less Goodell's.

NFL has been playing London since 1986, regular season since 2005. Goodell became commissioner in August 2006. Tagliabue and Goodell have been acting at the direction of the owners to find ways to broaden international appeal.

Thursday night games existed sporadically long before Goodell. Establishing a regular series and awarding it to the new NFL Network was done before Goodell became commissioner (OLN offered $450 mil for the games in 2005 and the NFL declined) and the 1st of those games happened a couple months later.

Radio City Music Hall initiated the movement of the draft. The NFL moved the draft by 2 weeks to accommodate them in 2014. Radio City then informed the NFL they couldn't have their customary dates in 2015 and the NFL decided to go to another city (Madison Square Garden was also booked).

You're just listing things you don't like and blaming someone you don't like, facts be damned.

And that's all a distraction from your obviously incorrect assertion Goodell changed the extra point rule. The owners did on recommendation of the competition committee which considered a number of possible changes.
 
Lucky said:
FA occurs prior to the draft. There's no way Smith could have known Watson would be available in a trade up at that point. Ricky lost his job because he signed Brock and then had to fork over a 2nd round pick to dump him a year later.
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BO'b played a part in Brock being sent away for a second round pick.

Let us also not forget that Brock played the biggest role in coming to our team by flashing signs of above average Qb play. It is not like we were the only suitors for Brock when he was available the first time. It's also not like we outbid other suitors by a significant margin. Brock wanted to come to our team and he did so.

Just the season before being with us Brock flashed enough promise that he deserved the chance he was given. It just so happens he was terrible. Some may have felt we paid a bit over what we should have but I don't think anybody would have thought he would be as bad as he was.

For one, who on earth would have thought his value would have dropped to the point that rather than getting compensation for trading him we had to give compensation. That is insane.

I still feel that RS was under pressure to do whatever it took to part ways with Brock. Thus we got rid of a valuable pick to do it.
 
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Going back to XSF I think you almost need to go ahead and bring him back if you can do so for a reasonable amount of money. Gotta keep the price reasonable and the contract short because he's most likely going to end up as depth behind a better FA signing. Can't flush them all down the drain at one time. It just doesn't work for continuity.

Who is going to show the new guys how to do the "Texas Turnstile" if the X-Man is sent packing?
 
Hervoyel said:
Going back to XSF I think you almost need to go ahead and bring him back if you can do so for a reasonable amount of money. Gotta keep the price reasonable and the contract short because he's most likely going to end up as depth behind a better FA signing. Can't flush them all down the drain at one time. It just doesn't work for continuity.

Who is going to show the new guys how to do the "Texas Turnstile" if the X-Man is sent packing?
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Demotion from starting shouldn't be straight to off the team. I really wish I was optimistic due to a new OL coach working with him, but he has the physical ability and should be dirt cheap (unless there is some OL coach out there going "Devlin has ruined that kid.").
 
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infantrycak said:
Idea and authority are not the same thing. The owners make these changes not Goodell.

As for your examples, two were under Tagliabue and one wasn't the NFL's idea much less Goodell's.

NFL has been playing London since 1986, regular season since 2005. Goodell became commissioner in August 2006. Tagliabue and Goodell have been acting at the direction of the owners to find ways to broaden international appeal.

Thursday night games existed sporadically long before Goodell. Establishing a regular series and awarding it to the new NFL Network was done before Goodell became commissioner (OLN offered $450 mil for the games in 2005 and the NFL declined) and the 1st of those games happened a couple months later.

Radio City Music Hall initiated the movement of the draft. The NFL moved the draft by 2 weeks to accommodate them in 2014. Radio City then informed the NFL they couldn't have their customary dates in 2015 and the NFL decided to go to another city (Madison Square Garden was also booked).

You're just listing things you don't like and blaming someone you don't like, facts be damned.

And that's all a distraction from your obviously incorrect assertion Goodell changed the extra point rule. The owners did on recommendation of the competition committee which considered a number of possible changes.
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1. The weren't playing games in London on a weekly basis
2. The only Thursday night games were on Thanksgiving and certainly not on a weekly basis.
3. The Radio City Music Hall excuse was a sham and you know this.
4. The only thing yu got right in this post without twisting things all around was that the owners do approve everything But God'ell/his office come up with the plans, do the research and implement the plan after it is passed by the owners.

We are never going to agree and frankly I'm tired of wasting my time discussing/watching you twist things where I feel I'm wasting my time responding to you. I'm going to move on and have an intellectually honest conversation on another topic in another thread.

See Ya
 
Mike Lombardi was on 610 sports this morning and said he was with the Patriots in 2014 . When the Texans pick came up at 33 the Pats just knew the Texans were going to take JimmyG because he fit both of their schemes . When the Texans picked XSF , the Pats took him at the end of the 2nd . I wonder how much of this was addition by subtraction by the Patriots ? It's around 4:30

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steelbtexan said:
Okoye was in it for the $$$$. Got paid and was done. He didn't love football.

He never put in the work he needed to get better.

Everything else is revisionist history.
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Why would you even think that?

The guy is attempting to play in the CFL after being placed in a medically induced coma to treat seizures. That’s dedication after playing for four different NFL teams.

Maybe he was drafted higher than what his real value was. Like Travis Johnson.
 
TexansBull said:
Why would you even think that?

The guy is attempting to play in the CFL after being placed in a medically induced coma to treat seizures. That’s dedication after playing for four different NFL teams.

Maybe he was drafted higher than what his real value was. Like Travis Johnson.
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He's finally hung up his cleats to spend quality time with his family after a long and courageous fight.
http://www.texanstalk.com/posts/2789151/
 
TexansBull said:
Why would you even think that?

The guy is attempting to play in the CFL after being placed in a medically induced coma to treat seizures. That’s dedication after playing for four different NFL teams.

Maybe he was drafted higher than what his real value was. Like Travis Johnson.
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Maybe so, and I admire his comeback attempt. But he didn't grow to like his athletic ability said he should grow. That made me question his dedication to his craft.
 
Seegara said:
Yes, there were some who expected the Osweiler disaster.
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So what’s your point?

We needed a QB. We basically had three realistic options:
1) Sign the top FA QB in Brock
2) Draft Lynch or Hackenberg
3) Go with Hoyer again

There were simply no good options that offseason and you had to pick one.
 
What would y'all offer XSF? Vet minimum and a packing box is all I'm offering; mostly the box.
 
PapaL said:
What would y'all offer XSF? Vet minimum and a packing box is all I'm offering; mostly the box.
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According to WalterFootball he's ranked #19 amongst 2018 available OG's at 1.5 stars, vet minimum and a packing box sounds good to me.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
Good foresight texan279. Still he did enough good things in Denver that he made himself a fairly hot commodity. It turns out that Gary Kubiak was a better fit as head coach and OC for Brock even though Brock nor most other people could have seen it at the time.
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Osweiler owes a lot of $$$ to Kubiak for babying him through 10 starts, then benching him before the league could see Brock was a fraud.

Will Osweiler ever see that? Nope.
 
dream_team said:
So what’s your point?

We needed a QB. We basically had three realistic options:
1) Sign the top FA QB in Brock
2) Draft Lynch or Hackenberg
3) Go with Hoyer again

There were simply no good options that offseason and you had to pick one.
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So they compound a mistake by making a $72m mistake and almost $40m of it guaranteed cap hit .....


Best option of those three in hindsight was roll with Hoyer or another comparable JAG for another year .... since he doesn't require such a financial commitment.
 
PapaL said:
What would y'all offer XSF? Vet minimum and a packing box is all I'm offering; mostly the box.
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No way...I'm offering his under-performing ass directions to the local Home Depot where he can use some of that unearned money to buy as many boxes as he needs...remember, checkout is at noon.
 
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