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Selection 2.33: Xavier Su'a-Filo OG

Thumbs up or down on Su'a-Filo, Xavier at 2.33?

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Bulls on Parade said:
We need CloakNDagger in charge of the Texans medical staff. He'd do a better job. It's pretty ridiculous we can't keep our top four picks from that draft class healthy. Well in Nix's case his injury is the Giants problem now. Ironically it's Jadeveon Clowney that is now the healthiest of the bunch and ready to play on Sunday. And he's had the tougher road towards returning to the field.
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I'd love him to advise the staff. But he needs some evidence of prior injury. We need someone who "knows" who and when an otherwise healthy player will be injured to be a good GM.
 
Has anyone head anything about Su'a Filo's attitude? I've heard rumors he was the only one that reported out of shape. Just seems like something else is going on about this guy.
 
dream_team said:
Valid points... but the point I'm trying to make is we simply don't know. I don't think it's fair to criticize when we don't know the facts. We don't know what exactly went down between the Vikings & Seahawks. Vikings GM could have said "this deal is only valid if you take it now", which is a common tactic I use in Fantasy.

But TBH, in my opinion, I think BOB did not like Teddy. He passed up on Blake, Jimmy G... so it seems evident BOB is looking for a specific skillset in QB. If he can't get that, he doesn't want to invest alot in a particular QB, so is willing to use stopgaps until that QB is on our roster.
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Wouldn't a hold button come into play and the 'hawks call other suitors? And wouldn't that argument better suit the team with the pick? I want this and only if you do it now is a stronger argument than I'll give this but only if you take it now. Having the pick in hand gives you the position of strength. The Vike's had no idea what other offers were on the table. That tactic only works, in the NFL, if you get an offer like the Pokes did in the Walker trade or like Ditka did when he traded away an entire draft class. If I have that pick, I wouldn't let that threat bother me. I can always just make my pick.

I agree that OB didn't really much like any QB in that draft more than any other. Savage flashed lots of potential this preseason, imho. Wouldn't it be grand if he ends up being the best QB in that draft?
 
IDEXAN said:
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2015/09/texans-dont-expect-xavier-sua-filo-to-play-in-opener/
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THis is so disappointing and frustrating ! Dammit !
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I need someone to help me understand when we want our players to take an extra week off to be safe & when we're supposed to be frustrated when a player sits due to injury.

We hope the Texans aren't doing their usual "rush a player back into the line up" with Clowney right? Frustrated with XSF right? & hope we don't see Arian until late November... right?
 
Bulls on Parade said:
That high of a draft pick I was hoping for a solid starter.
Didn't the Vikings trade up one pick ahead and nabbed Bridgewater?

We blow so many third and fourth-rounders as well.
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Whoa... I thought you were in "sunshine spitting out the ass" mode.
 
thunderkyss said:
I need someone to help me understand when we want our players to take an extra week off to be safe & when we're supposed to be frustrated when a player sits due to injury.

We hope the Texans aren't doing their usual "rush a player back into the line up" with Clowney right? Frustrated with XSF right? & hope we don't see Arian until late November... right?
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I think it's called schizophrenia. But perhaps it's dual/multiple personality disorder. The definition seemed to change over the last 50 years and what was once lumped together has diverged into separate disorders.

But mostly it's about whether we think playing is about pain or increased risk of further injury.
 
Playoffs said:
I'm told the HAS has indeed become a calf injury/strain... Doc? Make sense?
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If you push a high ankle sprain before it's rehabbed, because this condition by definition creates instability of the ankle and lower leg, the calf muscles will try to compensate to stabilize these segments. Doing so will eventually stress the calf muscles beyond what they are meant to handle, and can lead to a strain/tear.

When the interosseous and anterior tibiofibular ligaments are sprain/torn, there is a twisting instability created.

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The right and left calf muscles (gastrocnemius muscles [also includes a smaller underlying soleus muscle]) try to balance out the forces created by the twisting much like the right and left reigns try to control the movement or non movement of a horse's head.

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[Of course, with a high ankle sprain that is not entirely rehabbed, compensatory injury to the contralateral calf muscles can also occur.]
 
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thunderkyss said:
Whoa... I thought you were in "sunshine spitting out the ass" mode.
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Even I can't sugarcoat several second, third and fourth-round picks that this organization has blown over the years. Most specifically under Rick Smith's reign as general manager. I'm still hoping some of these guys pan out and become good pros. The problem is it may be for other teams. At least in Nix's and Montgomery's case.

With Savage and especialy a second-round pick like Su'a-'Filio, I hope I'm not hoping for fool's gold. Aka the Bennie Joppru syndrome. Highly-invested second-round pick who hung around for years, milked some pretty good NFL paychecks in the process, but was always injured. And yet people raved about his potential when healthy. He was never healthy in five years!
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
If you push a high ankle sprain before it's rehabbed, because this condition by definition creates instability of the ankle and lower leg, the calf muscles will try to compensate to stabilize these segments. Doing so will eventually stress the calf muscles beyond what they are meant to handle, and can lead to a strain/tear.

When the interosseous and anterior tibiofibular ligaments are sprain/torn, there is a twisting instability created.

high_ankle_sprain-illustration.jpg



The right and left calf muscles (gastrocnemius muscles [also includes a smaller underlying soleus muscle]) try to balance out the forces created by the twisting much like the right and left reigns try to control the movement or non movement of a horse's head.

Gastrocnemius-Muscle.jpg


John%20Whitaker%20Training%20reins.jpg


[Of course, with a high ankle sprain that is not entirely rehabbed, compensatory injury to the contralateral calf muscles can also occur.]
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Will this be on the test??
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Playoffs said:
I'm told the HAS has indeed become a calf injury/strain... Doc? Make sense?
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With the Texans playing so losely with the terms "calf, ankle, foot" with Filo and Mohamed, you can't even rule out an associated Achilles injury/tendinitis. A boot is sometimes also used in this type of injury.
 
The X-man started the game and got a good chunck of playing time. Anybody got a take on his performance today ? Atleast he was out for awhile.
 
Didn't he play the whole game at LG last night ? I dunno, maybe there's still hope for the X-man, maybe he's not a bust after all ?
 
IDEXAN said:
Didn't he play the whole game at LG last night ? I dunno, maybe there's still hope for the X-man, maybe he's not a bust after all ?
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He whiffed early but seemed to settle down...had moments of productivity. I'm just as shocked as everyone else.
 
He missed a stunt/blitz early that got Hoyer sacked, but I thought he did fairly well. This unit as a whole just can't run block very well. Pass pro is not bad though.
 
PapaL said:
He whiffed early but seemed to settle down...had moments of productivity. I'm just as shocked as everyone else.
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I think I know the play you are referring to, but I think there's some chance that was on Ben Jones and not X.
 
PapaL said:
It happened early. He just looked guilty but it may have been a miscommunication between them.
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Was that the play where the RB flew in front of Hoyer to block the defender coming from the left and totally ran by the rusher coming up the middle? Seems like the whole OL got put on their ass on that play.
 
IDEXAN said:
I think I know the play you are referring to, but I think there's some chance that was on Ben Jones and not X.
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I'm not sure it was the same play, but one had him sliding on a double team and the man covering him was supposed to be picked up by a pulling guard or back who got tripped up. But I could be wrong. Perhaps it was Ben and X on an X block technique.
 
sandman said:
Was that the play where the RB flew in front of Hoyer to block the defender coming from the left and totally ran by the rusher coming up the middle? Seems like the whole OL got put on their ass on that play.
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I was about to mention this. Three guys just let him straight to the QB, he must be a ninja?
 
sandman said:
Was that the play where the RB flew in front of Hoyer to block the defender coming from the left and totally ran by the rusher coming up the middle? Seems like the whole OL got put on their ass on that play.
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I believe so
 
Texans’ Xavier Su’a-Filo impresses in full game vs. Bengals
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In the ninth game of his second season, left guard Xavier Su’a-Filo played every snap and helped the Texans upset Cincinnati 10-6.

Su’a-Filo, the 33rd overall pick in the 2014 draft, finally may have found a permanent home in the starting lineup.

“I hope so,” he said after practice. “It feels great.”

As a second-round pick last year, Su’a-Filo contributed very little to the offense. This year, he reported out of shape, then suffered a calf injury that limited him in camp.

Asked about his health today, he said, “I’ve been healthy. I’m just trying to work hard. There are always things I can improve on.”

Su-a-Filo said it “felt great” to play against the Bengals and contribute to the victory. Now his mindset is “on the Jets.”

Asked if he thinks he’s finally arrived, Su-a-Filo said, “No, never.”
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...r-sua-filo-impresses-in-full-game-vs-bengals/
 
Planning for disaster is responsible and in no way indicates a desire for disaster. The NFL is much like this. I HOPE the X-man has turned a corner and will now become what we always hoped he would be, BUT, keep your eyes open for the best TEAM MATE possible at the position just in case.

This applies to EVERY position including DE.
 
If Su'a-Filo puts it together that will take some of the sting off of that draft. If we're lucky he stays healthy and keeps playing. The only way linemen develop is with live snaps. No substitute for experience.
 
My belief was and still is that you build in the trenches, and only draft a QB high in the draft if you absolutely believe he's going to be the guy.

But the evaluators who are behind those drafts have to get it right. At this point, I'm starting to feel that OB and Smith could have drafted almost any QB in that draft, and done better than we've done. Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, any of those guys would have been an improvement and would have given us hope.

The X-Man has to grow into a really great player to offset the black mark on this FO if Carr and Bridgewater continue to evolve and grow.
 
I still to this day have no idea what he did that prevented him from playing, or even being activated on game days.
 
amazing80 said:
I still to this day have no idea what he did that prevented him from playing, or even being activated on game days.
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Me either and have posted before that I listened to OBrien bragging on X in off season when asked about Luis Nix not being in Houston. Coach repeatedly said X was in great shape as he had remained in town working out in Reliant; then comes TC and Coach upset that X not in shape.
 
amazing80 said:
I still to this day have no idea what he did that prevented him from playing, or even being activated on game days.
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Nobody does. The 2015 offseason, mini camps, and preseason were weird. Stories went out that Su'a-Filo was in the best shape of his life, Stories went out that he wasn't. Stories went out that Nix was a new man, then stories went out that he was the same sloppy bag of Play-dough he'd always been. Sometimes it really does feel like the O'Brien regime here in Houston is trying to outdo Belichick when it comes to keeping information from getting out and it borders on the crazy/paranoid. I mean, usually if Belichick doesn't want to tell you something he just won't say anything. He'll just stare at the reporter asking the question and then change the subject or say something completely non-committal. O'Brien and the Texans in general will flat out lie to you about it or make up some kind of bullshit story that doesn't hold up thinking it will.

I don't get it. They remind me of children telling stupid lies that everyone can see through sometimes with their attempts at misdirection.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
My belief was and still is that you build in the trenches, and only draft a QB high in the draft if you absolutely believe he's going to be the guy.

But the evaluators who are behind those drafts have to get it right. At this point, I'm starting to feel that OB and Smith could have drafted almost any QB in that draft, and done better than we've done. Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, any of those guys would have been an improvement and would have given us hope.

The X-Man has to grow into a really great player to offset the black mark on this FO if Carr and Bridgewater continue to evolve and grow.
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I see what you're saying.

But, whether Carr/Bridgewater turns out to be anything means nothing to me. I've got a few posts where I state that giving David Carr a shot took Roethlisberger, Flacco, & Rodgers. But I don't know those guys would have won Super Bowls here.

The QB & OC/HC has to have a special relationship. & just because a guy could be a great QB, an OC/HC could snuff that out of a prospect.

Same thing with a LG. I think Smith convinced the collective to pass on a QB & go left guard. Maybe OB was upset that Ben Jones was a capable guard, Myers had at least a couple of good years... he may have been thinking how Rick screwed him on getting his QB & has been taking it out on X

Who knows?
 
thunderkyss said:
I thought X looked good yesterday.
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Check. Matter of fact collectively I thought the Oline looked good yesterday. And if I'm not mistaken all 5 starters played the whole game which of course is just what we want for our OLine.
 
ChampionTexan said:
I think the O-line as a whole is playing respectably - and certainly better than most folks are giving it credit for that. I blame that mostly on Blue.
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YPC for Blue & Grimes shows how bad Blue was. Still not sure why Grimes was not getting more carries. Houston was sticking to their game plan and not changing to the hot hand.
 
Troy Chapman said:
YPC for Blue & Grimes shows how bad Blue was. Still not sure why Grimes was not getting more carries. Houston was sticking to their game plan and not changing to the hot hand.
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agree and just posted same on another thread; Grimes should start. Also we have Oline as it should be and chemistry will improve. I did see Lamm in on one play.
 
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