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Selection 2.33: Xavier Su'a-Filo OG
- Thread starter infantrycak
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He's an offensive lineman... out of shape is kind of a code word to me. This is the guy that took all his snaps last year.
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This is what he looked like in college
I've yet to see the first report that he's "out of shape"
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
The only thing I noticed Sunday was he was giving up on blocks before the whistle blew. He'd get to the next level, bump the LB and turn around and watch the play finish. Maybe it was only the handful of plays I keyed on him? I don't know, but block until the play is blown dead.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I don't think X was ever "out of shape". I think they forced him back from injury too soon and got him re-injured. Then they made up the "out of shape" stuff to cover their own ass and make it his fault he got hurt again.
All offseason all we hear is how great he looks but as soon as he gets hurt again he's out of shape. Bullshit.
All offseason all we hear is how great he looks but as soon as he gets hurt again he's out of shape. Bullshit.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I suspect this is about it. I never expect my FO to tell me the truth about injuries and things, so this doesn't bother me.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
And like the QB situation, I think OB realized he mismanaged it.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
This is a common element among both coaches and fans. FAILING to see the distinction between injury and desire (willingness to play through pain). Expecting players to play with pain and SOME injuries works. But some injuries are made worse by being macho about it and the coaches and many fans do not grasp that.
When we get to the playoffs, players take more risks because of the situation. Some times it works and is celebrated, but more often they simply can't do what they hoped they could and are quietly replaced.
PapaL
Loose Screw
That would be the Texans modus operandi right there.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I'm honestly not bothered by the team being secretive about injuries. But if it indeed happened like I suspect, then I am bothered that they would shove X under the bus to cover their own ass about bringing him back before he was ready.
If it indeed . . . but you don't know that to be the case.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
X probably failed conditioning testHe's an offensive lineman... out of shape is kind of a code word to me. This is the guy that took all his snaps last year.
This is what he looked like in college
I've yet to see the first report that he's "out of shape"
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
And another one bites the dust
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
One thing that can't be measured at the combine.. heart/motivation and how money will effect a player..
Paydays make some people content/fat and happy.. while they drive others to prove they're worth the coin and they work harder (Watt)
Paydays make some people content/fat and happy.. while they drive others to prove they're worth the coin and they work harder (Watt)
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Not sure about the out of shape talk.
Round is a shape.
Round is a shape.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Very true. I don't. I only suspect.
But our organization has shown multiple times in just the last few years that they have no idea how to handle injured players.
That was what my understanding was at the time. I strictly remember OB saying that 97.5% reported to camp 'in shape', and that everyone had to pass a conditioning test. Next we hear that everyone was practicing, but X was over on the other field working out. Connect the dots.
And today was the first time I hear that he was 'injured', 'but brought back to soon'. That doesn't pass the 'avoid making stuff up to fit a narrative' test.
Well... yeah... that could have happened as well.
But I'm going with my narrative.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Don't we all?Well... yeah... that could have happened as well.
But I'm going with my narrative.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I think you are right.
That happened early in training camp when guys should have had fresh bodies. When did he get injured?
And really, I don't see a need to cover up a guy being brought back too soon by blaming it on him. If they forced him back too early it seems the last thing you would want to do is blame that player in the media because then you lose trust.
But it seems like it's a lot easier to just say what teams have always said, "such and such had a setback with their injury and will be out longer than expected"
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Disinformation is an unfortunate part of the game. I understand it in warfare, but this is a GAME.
I'd love to get the clip of the father explaining that to Bear Bryant in Junction Boys. But I heard it called war by one of the coaches even for a military academy, I think Navy, just recently.
I'd love to get the clip of the father explaining that to Bear Bryant in Junction Boys. But I heard it called war by one of the coaches even for a military academy, I think Navy, just recently.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
In another thread you bashed this pick
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Look at the poll results, 117 for the pick and just 7 against. And reading the thread it's clear most if not all of the 7 wanted an OT instead of a G (or wanted to go get TB).
Badboy is the only person to mention Garoppolo and he isn't critical of getting surprised by the NE pick.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I know that I'm always ok with the pick because I figure they know more than me . Now looking back it's easy to look at and say , what we're y'all thinking . They're supposed to nail the 33rd pick in the draft and that makes you scratch your head .
Just a reminder post...from a non-Texas source
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-nfl-draft-xavier-suafilo-texans-20140509-story.html
dude just didn't flat put it together...considered the top guard in the draft with everything going for him...most years the top guard in the draft at pick #33 equals quality pick, except when it does not work.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-nfl-draft-xavier-suafilo-texans-20140509-story.html
dude just didn't flat put it together...considered the top guard in the draft with everything going for him...most years the top guard in the draft at pick #33 equals quality pick, except when it does not work.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
It could be worse in the Cardinals drafted G Cooper 8th I think and the Titans drafted the Alabama G ( Womack I think ) shortly after that .
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Knowing our luck we'll part ways with him and he'll sign with the Steelers or some team with a solid offensive line coach, and then he'll become a pro bowler playing with the Steelers and people will wonder why he sucked playing with the Texans. Coaching matters in the NFL. It matters a lot!
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I liked the pick because I thought the player was going to be good. Wasn’t my first choice but I liked the pick at the time.
I’m still not sure wtf happened here but I suspect coaching had something to do with it. Not saying x would be a stud otherwise, but for him to be as bad as he is is unbelievable.
This coaching staff hasn’t developed any oline man and made them much better so I’d be looking for a new coach there if OB is staying.
Of course part of the lack of development could be due to OB himself and his lack of direction and commitment.
I’m still not sure wtf happened here but I suspect coaching had something to do with it. Not saying x would be a stud otherwise, but for him to be as bad as he is is unbelievable.
This coaching staff hasn’t developed any oline man and made them much better so I’d be looking for a new coach there if OB is staying.
Of course part of the lack of development could be due to OB himself and his lack of direction and commitment.
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Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
XSF was first coached by Paul Dunn who tried him everywhere in training camp . He was the fall guy for XSF not playing well in year one blaming it on training camp and the fact he couldn't practice until June .
I said that I wanted Jimmy G at 33.
But that I liked the XSF pick. Obviously I missed on XSF. Still I wanted Jimmy G and said so at the time.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Thing is, as much as people bash Smith, his job is to get players who fit the profile of the coach. If you draft a player the coach doesn't want, he's not going to play him. The profile of Kubiak is different from OB. Offensively, XSF, Fido, nor Savage meets a Kubiak profile. Yet when the players don't meet expectations, it's the fault. At some point, the coaches have to coach up the players. Devlin has done a poor job coaching up the o-line. Johnson has gotten worse. Vrabel seems to be over his head.
I wanted XSF .... if we ever have a weak spot on the line, I want to fix it. The problem is, every draft publication that I read prior to the draft was singing his praises .... I had never watched UCLA that season .... Trust But Verify !!!
Agreed, Devlin needs to go. A GM's job is to find guys that can play and fit the coaches profile. Johnson was avg before he got hurt. Now he's damaged goods that will probably never live up to his potential. A foot injury is the worst kind of injury for a CB. See Primetime.
I would try to beef up the DB's and run with Vrabel another yr, with a healthy dose of RAC helping Vrabel. The defense was truly decimated by injury this yr.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Safety has been a problem for years. It remains a problem since Quinn left. In terms of Johnson, it's like Fred Bennett over again. I thought Peters was the most talented cb coming out, but we all know how McNair feels about players with character concerns.
Just imagine if Bouye/Quin had been kept and Peters had been drafted. Even with the horrid OL play and injuries the Texans wouldn't be sitting at 4-12.
If wishes was fishes we could all have some fried
My reply to BOP would also work here...'To dream the impossible dream'
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Johnson has dealt with a pretty big injury. I think we can give him a pass for this season and hope he can get back on track in his development next year. He looked a decent player before he went out last season so give him a chance to iron it out.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
At this point in his career he's not in any trouble yet. He's got 2018 to make a case for an extension and to prove that he can be the CB he looks like in flashes every once in a while but he's flirting with being the biggest bust in the first round since Amobi Okoye (AKA "The Shopping Cart").
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I wonder if Okoye wasn't coached into oblivion. He looked best as a rookie. Even got defensive rookie of the month. Whenever I see that it raises a giant red coaching flag. Wish he'd been kept 1 more year to see what he could have done with Wade.
Scooter
Funky
Ah, the days of when coaches made players better. I miss those days.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
His biggest thing is he got really sick and almost died after he left the Texans . That put an end to his career way to soon .
http://goldenicons.com/truly-inspir...s-recovery-journey-from-a-rare-brain-disease/
Okoye was in it for the $$$$. Got paid and was done. He didn't love football.
He never put in the work he needed to get better.
Everything else is revisionist history.
He never put in the work he needed to get better.
Everything else is revisionist history.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
He made his money at the senior bowl with a good showing . He was also really young when he played his first game and I think that hurt him a bit .
dream_team
Hall of Fame
In other threads, you claim you’re a “trenches” guy and Rick should have focused on addressing the OL first. That thinking seems to contradict what you’re saying here.
You're correct, I'm an in the trenches guy 1st.
But I really wanted Clowney then Jimmy G., you should go check out my mocks from that yr.
dwight pugoy
Waterboy
The o-line problem has deteriorated to the point the letting a guys like XSF or Allen go can do more harm than good. with out them, there is zero foundation to build on. How often does a complete revamp ever works.