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Houston Texans 2024 OTA’s and Mandatory Mini Camp

Lucky said:
Injuries is the answer. To eliminate an advantage one team may have over another by having fewer injuries. Often, teams won't have 53 guys available to play. So limiting the number of active players on game day negates the disadvantage of the team with more injuries.
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This comment isn't pointed at you - but at the rule or the people that made the rule. What a stinking pile of rotting garbage reason to keep perfectly healthy players on the bench. Not knocking your answer, but rather the reasoning behind it. Injuries are a part of football. Nobody likes it, but you can't go all "socialist" and handicap one team over some idea that the other team has more injuries. None of that can possibly be known so why do it at all? It completely fails simple logic. Of all of the asinine reasons I had tried to come up with - that one failed to reach my cranium. It was too dumb of a reason to break through the outer layer of brain cells.
 
Porky said:
This comment isn't pointed at you - but at the rule or the people that made the rule. What a stinking pile of rotting garbage reason to keep perfectly healthy players on the bench. Not knocking your answer, but rather the reasoning behind it. Injuries are a part of football. Nobody likes it, but you can't go all "socialist" and handicap one team over some idea that the other team has more injuries. None of that can possibly be known so why do it at all? It completely fails simple logic. Of all of the asinine reasons I had tried to come up with - that one failed to reach my cranium. It was too dumb of a reason to break through the outer layer of brain cells.
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Yes I frowned at that answer also. I too am not addressing this at the poster but the post.
 
Porky said:
This comment isn't pointed at you - but at the rule or the people that made the rule. What a stinking pile of rotting garbage reason to keep perfectly healthy players on the bench. Not knocking your answer, but rather the reasoning behind it. Injuries are a part of football. Nobody likes it, but you can't go all "socialist" and handicap one team over some idea that the other team has more injuries. None of that can possibly be known so why do it at all? It completely fails simple logic. Of all of the asinine reasons I had tried to come up with - that one failed to reach my cranium. It was too dumb of a reason to break through the outer layer of brain cells.
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Even if a team could have all 53 players on the roster active, it would be a rare occurrence for all 53 players to be able to play. I think you're arguing for an expansion of the 53 man roster. I think.
 
Lucky said:
Even if a team could have all 53 players on the roster active, it would be a rare occurrence for all 53 players to be able to play. I think you're arguing for an expansion of the 53 man roster. I think.
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If that's the case, it would require the NFLPA to agree to water down their salaries to include the extra players. The NFL did make a change to require an emergency 3rd QB, but that's a pretty menial move compared to extending the entire roster to ~60 players.
 
Lucky said:
Injuries is the answer. To eliminate an advantage one team may have over another by having fewer injuries. Often, teams won't have 53 guys available to play. So limiting the number of active players on game day negates the disadvantage of the team with more injuries.
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This got me interested so I did a little reading about the history of the NFL roster size. It's way too convoluted to summarize here. If you are interested you can read this article.

One thing I learned that I didn't know about the 48 man limit on game day since the 2020 CBA is as long as the team has eight or more offensive linemen active, they have 48 roster spots available. If the team doesn’t have at least eight linemen active, then the maximum number of active players is reduced to 47.

With the new practice squad rules you have an additional 17 players (as long as one is an international player otherwise 16 players) available to pick up to 2 to elevate any week.

Practice Squad Rules
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Teams can protect 4 practice squad players per week from being signed by other teams and can change which players every week.

Practice squad players count towards the 48-player game day roster if elevated, with a maximum of 2 elevations per game day.

A player can only be elevated 3 times before being signed to the active roster.
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I agree with Lucky. It is an attempt to keep game day roster sizes equal for both teams. It is like a forced 5 man IR with no rules attached. You can miss 1 game & return the next.

With the 53 man roster plus a 17 man practice squad (70 players total) some teams will still have a problem getting 48 healthy players available for games much less 53.
 
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mws said:
This got me interested so I did a little reading about the history of the NFL roster size. It's way too convoluted to summarize here. If you are interested you can read this article.

One thing I learned that I didn't know about the 48 man limit on game day since the 2020 CBA is as long as the team has eight or more offensive linemen active, they have 48 roster spots available. If the team doesn’t have at least eight linemen active, then the maximum number of active players is reduced to 47.

With the new practice squad rules you have an additional 17 players (as long as one is an international player otherwise 16 players) available to pick up to 2 to elevate any week.

Practice Squad Rules
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Teams can protect 4 practice squad players per week from being signed by other teams and can change which players every week.

Practice squad players count towards the 48-player game day roster if elevated, with a maximum of 2 elevations per game day.

A player can only be elevated 3 times before being signed to the active roster.
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I agree with Lucky. It is an attempt to keep game day roster sizes equal for both teams. It is like a forced 5 man IR with no rules attached. You can miss 1 game & return the next.

With the 53 man roster plus a 17 man practice squad (70 players total) some teams will still have a problem getting 48 healthy players available for games much less 53.
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Thanks for all the good information. I think any change to the back end of roster sizes or # of players active, etc... is a net gain for the union (more players being paid). Therefore, those things have to be collectively bargained, and the union has to fight for those things.
 
Porky said:
This comment isn't pointed at you - but at the rule or the people that made the rule. What a stinking pile of rotting garbage reason to keep perfectly healthy players on the bench. Not knocking your answer, but rather the reasoning behind it. Injuries are a part of football. Nobody likes it, but you can't go all "socialist" and handicap one team over some idea that the other team has more injuries. None of that can possibly be known so why do it at all? It completely fails simple logic. Of all of the asinine reasons I had tried to come up with - that one failed to reach my cranium. It was too dumb of a reason to break through the outer layer of brain cells.
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Such changes would probably screw up the bookies.
 
Texansballer74 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1798037197037465696
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Per Clint Stoerner on 610 AM, Lassiter has been running with the 1s as an outside corner.

Clint doesn't believe he can play there...But I think he can in this defense. We'll see. Clint says that Okuda looks the part of an NFL corner and believes physically he has better tools to be the corner opposite Stingley.

Regarding Stingley, they say he looks amazing out there. Clearly a #1 NFL cornerback.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Per Clint Stoerner on 610 AM, Lassiter has been running with the 1s as an outside corner.

Clint doesn't believe he can play there...But I think he can in this defense. We'll see. Clint says that Okuda looks the part of an NFL corner and believes physically he has better tools to be the corner opposite Stingley.

Regarding Stingley, they say he looks amazing out there. Clearly a #1 NFL cornerback.
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Does anyone really respect Stoerner's opinion anymore, I can't even listen to the man's radio show.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Per Clint Stoerner on 610 AM, Lassiter has been running with the 1s as an outside corner.

Clint doesn't believe he can play there...But I think he can in this defense. We'll see. Clint says that Okuda looks the part of an NFL corner and believes physically he has better tools to be the corner opposite Stingley.

Regarding Stingley, they say he looks amazing out there. Clearly a #1 NFL cornerback.
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Really glad to hear Lassiter is being played on the outside. I think the classic adage of make them show you they can't is always the way to go.

For me the criticism for Lassiter is always the 40 time, but never about his actual on field play. That to me is really telling.

I've already watched a half dozen clips of Okudah getting beat over the top, but his 40 time was good so it's never brought up. That's bad football analysis in my opinion.
 
Sweech said:
Really glad to hear Lassiter is being played on the outside. I think the classic adage of make them show you they can't is always the way to go.

For me the criticism for Lassiter is always the 40 time, but never about his actual on field play. That to me is really telling.

I've already watched a half dozen clips of Okudah getting beat over the top, but his 40 time was good so it's never brought up. That's bad football analysis in my opinion.
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Agreed. Even in that clip earlier in OTA's where Metchie had that drop on the deep pass I believe that was Okudah that was burned on the play.

Speed doesn't always equal being in position and vice versa. We'll see how things shake out. I just hope one of them takes the job and owns it.
 
Sweech said:
Really glad to hear Lassiter is being played on the outside. I think the classic adage of make them show you they can't is always the way to go.

For me the criticism for Lassiter is always the 40 time, but never about his actual on field play. That to me is really telling.

I've already watched a half dozen clips of Okudah getting beat over the top, but his 40 time was good so it's never brought up. That's bad football analysis in my opinion.
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Okudah's 40 time was avg at best.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Agreed. Even in that clip earlier in OTA's where Metchie had that drop on the deep pass I believe that was Okudah that was burned on the play.

Speed doesn't always equal being in position and vice versa. We'll see how things shake out. I just hope one of them takes the job and owns it.
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True but if WR runs pass the corner, slow isn't catching up.
 

Houston Texans​


There's no concern for the Texans' offensive tackle duo. On the first day of mandatory minicamp, the Texans had full attendance as their highly touted playmakers in receiver Nico Collins, Tank Dell and Stefon Diggs were on display. However, the Texans' highly paid right tackle (Tytus Howard) and left tackle (Laremy Tunsil) weren't practicing. Both are recovering from knee injuries. Tunsil had offseason surgery on his left knee even though he played 14 games in 2023. Howard played in seven games because of injuries before suffering a season-ending knee injury in late November.

The good news for the Texans is coach DeMeco Ryans says he expects Howard and Tunsil to be ready for training camp. "Those guys are battling back," Ryans said. "They both had surgery, so they're in our return to play group, and they're on the right track to be back and be ready for training camp." -- D.J. Bien-Aime
 
steelbtexan said:
Okudah's 40 time was avg at best.
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Anything in the 4.4s usually means media types aren't going to call the player slow even if they get regularly beat over the top.

I bet we could watch a game this season where Okudah gets beat over the top 3 times and the one time Lassiter does every media type and even some posters on the board will question whether he should be played on the outside.

To make it even worse it will probably be on a press man play where even if you ran a 4.2 if the receiver beats you good enough on press you're getting beat over the top no matter what.
 
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