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badboy said:
And yet the exception exists and you cannot ignore what he has done. Go ahead and explain to me why Nick signed him for 4 million dollars with 3 million guaranteed. I am directing this at anyone.
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I'm not ignoring anything. Exceptional performance in 10% of his games over the last 2 years doesn't trump the 90% JAG performance. NFL history is littered with players who had a standout year never to do anything else. I'm not hanging hope on 2 games.

As far as Nick goes, maybe he sees some potential that they want to pull out of him. And if they do, great. But to expect him to be a starting caliber WR after 6 years in the league where you could point to probably five total games where he displayed that potential? Wishes and dreams, my friend. But I hope I am wrong.
 
The fact we're discussing the bottom of the WR loadout makes me happy!

Why isn't there anyone to pressure LS Jon Weeks in training camp! It's like their trying to lose!!! :P
 
sandman said:
I'm not ignoring anything. Exceptional performance in 10% of his games over the last 2 years doesn't trump the 90% JAG performance. NFL history is littered with players who had a standout year never to do anything else. I'm not hanging hope on 2 games.

As far as Nick goes, maybe he sees some potential that they want to pull out of him. And if they do, great. But to expect him to be a starting caliber WR after 6 years in the league where you could point to probably five total games where he displayed that potential? Wishes and dreams, my friend. But I hope I am wrong.
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But what you post isn't what happened last season. He had 2 games with zero receptions and another with one.
Look at his average per reception the other games. That is why I am hopeful and I assume is Nick.
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Noah Brown 2024 Stats per Game - NFL - ESPN

The 2024 NFL season stats per game for Noah Brown of the Washington Commanders on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.
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cland said:
Hehe, if some sports announcer wants to unearth all of the drama of the Texans, Jon Weeks is the guy to interview. As they say about Nam vets...that guy has seen some sh%t!
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Yep, and apparently knows to keep his mouth shut..
 
Texansballer74 said:
Well hopefully Hutchinson can be that guy if we send Brown packing. He’s younger and much healthier than Brown.
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I don’t know where I read it and with our games blacked out I didn’t see it BUT I read somewhere that Brown was most productive last year in scramble drills when CJ was forced out of the pocket. Kinda sounds like he needs time to get open. Wonder what he looks like with a healthy OL?
 
badboy said:
But what you post isn't what happened last season. He had 2 games with zero receptions and another with one.
Look at his average per reception the other games. That is why I am hopeful and I assume is Nick.
www.espn.com

Noah Brown 2024 Stats per Game - NFL - ESPN

The 2024 NFL season stats per game for Noah Brown of the Washington Commanders on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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So the Saints game where he had 37 yards on two catches? And one was for 34 yards?

Or the Panthers game where he had 57 yards on three catches? And one was for 31 yards?

You are making my point that Brown makes a good play here and a good play there, or has a good game here or there, but does not consistently show up every game.

Again, I've never said I don't like Brown, or don't wish for him to succeed. He's been an injured, inconsistent WR in this league for SIX years. There isn't any potential left. He is who he is. And what he certainly isn't is a Nico replacement, unless you consider the oft-injured part.
 
sandman said:
Again, I've never said I don't like Brown, or don't wish for him to succeed. He's been an injured, inconsistent WR in this league for SIX years. There isn't any potential left. He is who he is.
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Who was Brown last year?

Brown - 463 Off. snaps, 55 targets, 567 yds - 1.2 yards/snap, 10.3 yds/target
Collins - 669 Off. snaps, 109 targets, 1297 yards - 1.9 yards/snap, 11.9 yards/target
Dell - 494 Off. snaps, 75 targets, 709 yards -1.4 yards/snap, 9.5 yards/target.
Woods - 666 Off. snaps, 75 targets, 426 yards -0.6 yards/snap, 5.7 yards/target.

Collins and Dell were targeted more. But Brown was efficient when used. Pretty good for a WR3/WR4. If Metchie is able to take the WR4 role from Brown, great. But it won't be easy based upon what Brown has produced and Metchie has shown on the field, thus far.
 
Lucky said:
Who was Brown last year?

Brown - 463 Off. snaps, 55 targets, 567 yds - 1.2 yards/snap, 10.3 yds/target
Collins - 669 Off. snaps, 109 targets, 1297 yards - 1.9 yards/snap, 11.9 yards/target
Dell - 494 Off. snaps, 75 targets, 709 yards -1.4 yards/snap, 9.5 yards/target.
Woods - 666 Off. snaps, 75 targets, 426 yards -0.6 yards/snap, 5.7 yards/target.

Collins and Dell were targeted more. But Brown was efficient when used. Pretty good for a WR3/WR4. If Metchie is able to take the WR4 role from Brown, great. But it won't be easy based upon what Brown has produced and Metchie has shown on the field, thus far.
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What I disagree with here is the "when used" part. I think the reason Brown wasn't targeted more was simply because he wasn't getting open. I think he's a good 3rd or 4th option, but I don't think he's good enough at getting open without help.

In one of his big games, Dell and Schultz also went over 100 yards. In the other, iirc, Brown was the beneficiary of CJ scrambling and hitting him on big plays. The Bengals were really focused on shutting down Dell (since Nico wasn't on the field.)

I'm not saying he's a bad player or that we should get rid of him, but he needs those other recievers to pull the coverage away from him, or he needs the play to start to break down to get free.

At least, that's my take on him and his game. I don't expect him to ever be a 1st or 2nd option. And with this receiver room, he may be a good WR5.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
What I disagree with here is the "when used" part. I think the reason Brown wasn't targeted more was simply because he wasn't getting open.
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There's probably some truth to that. CJ doesn't really need a guy to get wide open, though. He usually hits guys off the break because of his anticipation. Bottom line is Brown has produced, the other reserves are TBD.
 
Lucky said:
Who was Brown last year?

Brown - 463 Off. snaps, 55 targets, 567 yds - 1.2 yards/snap, 10.3 yds/target
Collins - 669 Off. snaps, 109 targets, 1297 yards - 1.9 yards/snap, 11.9 yards/target
Dell - 494 Off. snaps, 75 targets, 709 yards -1.4 yards/snap, 9.5 yards/target.
Woods - 666 Off. snaps, 75 targets, 426 yards -0.6 yards/snap, 5.7 yards/target.

Collins and Dell were targeted more. But Brown was efficient when used. Pretty good for a WR3/WR4. If Metchie is able to take the WR4 role from Brown, great. But it won't be easy based upon what Brown has produced and Metchie has shown on the field, thus far.
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First, 55% of his snaps came when either Nico, Tank or both were inactive. That is great because he was available when needed. But he doesn't get a lot of those snaps without injuries. Which is what one would expect of the role of a WR4 on a team with Diggs, Collins and Dell.

Second, never said he wasn't a decent WR3/4 last year. But he is a WR4/5 this year. My two points:

The odds of him substantially improving at age 28 as some are expecting are considerably low.

He isn't a realistic replacement for Nico as some have suggested, outside of an injury game or two.
 
sandman said:
So the Saints game where he had 37 yards on two catches? And one was for 34 yards?

Or the Panthers game where he had 57 yards on three catches? And one was for 31 yards?

You are making my point that Brown makes a good play here and a good play there, or has a good game here or there, but does not consistently show up every game.

Again, I've never said I don't like Brown, or don't wish for him to succeed. He's been an injured, inconsistent WR in this league for SIX years. There isn't any potential left. He is who he is. And what he certainly isn't is a Nico replacement, unless you consider the oft-injured part.
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Agreed, he's a very good WR4-5 and his real value comes as a very good ST's guy.
 
Lucky said:
Who was Brown last year?

Brown - 463 Off. snaps, 55 targets, 567 yds - 1.2 yards/snap, 10.3 yds/target
Collins - 669 Off. snaps, 109 targets, 1297 yards - 1.9 yards/snap, 11.9 yards/target
Dell - 494 Off. snaps, 75 targets, 709 yards -1.4 yards/snap, 9.5 yards/target.
Woods - 666 Off. snaps, 75 targets, 426 yards -0.6 yards/snap, 5.7 yards/target.

Collins and Dell were targeted more. But Brown was efficient when used. Pretty good for a WR3/WR4. If Metchie is able to take the WR4 role from Brown, great. But it won't be easy based upon what Brown has produced and Metchie has shown on the field, thus far.
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Wow, Woods got as many snaps as Collins. I would've never guessed that.
 
sandman said:
First, 55% of his snaps came when either Nico, Tank or both were inactive. That is great because he was available when needed. But he doesn't get a lot of those snaps without injuries. Which is what one would expect of the role of a WR4 on a team with Diggs, Collins and Dell.

Second, never said he wasn't a decent WR3/4 last year. But he is a WR4/5 this year. My two points:

The odds of him substantially improving at age 28 as some are expecting are considerably low.

He isn't a realistic replacement for Nico as some have suggested, outside of an injury game or two.
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It seems you are arguing about nothing. Of course Nico starts over him when healthy. When Nico is not healthy Brown has stepped up and performed like a quality backup should. Their skill sets do not compliment eachother where both are going to get a high target share when healthy. It’s either Nico or Brown, and when Nico is healthy it’s gonna be Nico.

But it’s nice to have a guy who can get you over 300 yards in two games when Nico is not healthy. Show me a backup WR in the league that can do that and that’s a quality WR room. Brown is not going to get beat out for a roster spot by a guy like Xavier Hutchinson.
 
steelbtexan said:
Wow, Woods got as many snaps as Collins. I would've never guessed that.
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There is something to be said for being where you’re supposed to be on a given play. Woods gets snaps because he’s a veteran that knows what to do on any given play. Hopefully with the addition of Diggs and the other WRs having another year in the system that is not enough to get on the field this season. Ability to make impact plays needs to be higher on the list.

It was frustrating early in the season last year seeing Woods get 10 and 9 targets the first two games (both losses).

Dell got 4 targets game 1 but the coaching staff corrected itself and gave Tank 10 targets game 2.

Another big outlier game was the Falcons loss. Schultz/Woods get 10/9 targets. Nico/Tank get 4 targets each.

The coaching staff did a good job self-scouting and correcting itself through the year last season. Lets hope the days of Robert Woods or heaven forbid Andrew Beck being the first option on plays over guys like Nico/Tank are a thing of the past!
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
It seems you are arguing about nothing. Of course Nico starts over him when healthy. When Nico is not healthy Brown has stepped up and performed like a quality backup should. Their skill sets do not compliment eachother where both are going to get a high target share when healthy. It’s either Nico or Brown, and when Nico is healthy it’s gonna be Nico.

But it’s nice to have a guy who can get you over 300 yards in two games when Nico is not healthy. Show me a backup WR in the league that can do that and that’s a quality WR room. Brown is not going to get beat out for a roster spot by a guy like Xavier Hutchinson.
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I wasn't arguing that Nico starts over Brown. I think you know that. Nor has anyone suggested that X was going to beat him out. You are creating strawman arguments.

That 300 yards in two games was the only time in his career where he produced at that level. The rest of the season he regressed to the mean. Feel free to expect that level of production from him anytime he fills in for an injury, but I won't.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
It seems you are arguing about nothing. Of course Nico starts over him when healthy. When Nico is not healthy Brown has stepped up and performed like a quality backup should. Their skill sets do not compliment eachother where both are going to get a high target share when healthy. It’s either Nico or Brown, and when Nico is healthy it’s gonna be Nico.

But it’s nice to have a guy who can get you over 300 yards in two games when Nico is not healthy. Show me a backup WR in the league that can do that and that’s a quality WR room. Brown is not going to get beat out for a roster spot by a guy like Xavier Hutchinson.
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With NC and DeMeco constantly stating that they want receivers that are able to get separation I’m going to guess that Brown better out- separate Hutchison, Metchie, or Wayne this TC or he will get beat out.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
There is something to be said for being where you’re supposed to be on a given play. Woods gets snaps because he’s a veteran that knows what to do on any given play. Hopefully with the addition of Diggs and the other WRs having another year in the system that is not enough to get on the field this season. Ability to make impact plays needs to be higher on the list.

It was frustrating early in the season last year seeing Woods get 10 and 9 targets the first two games (both losses).

Dell got 4 targets game 1 but the coaching staff corrected itself and gave Tank 10 targets game 2.

Another big outlier game was the Falcons loss. Schultz/Woods get 10/9 targets. Nico/Tank get 4 targets each.

The coaching staff did a good job self-scouting and correcting itself through the year last season. Lets hope the days of Robert Woods or heaven forbid Andrew Beck being the first option on plays over guys like Nico/Tank are a thing of the past!
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Good news is those targets are going to Diggs this year.
 
sandman said:
I wasn't arguing that Nico starts over Brown. I think you know that. Nor has anyone suggested that X was going to beat him out. You are creating strawman arguments.

That 300 yards in two games was the only time in his career where he produced at that level. The rest of the season he regressed to the mean. Feel free to expect that level of production from him anytime he fills in for an injury, but I won't.
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Also 8-82 with a td against the Browns when Nico was hobbled by injury. Really the only game he didn’t produce when Nico got hurt was the Jets debacle where CJ got injured.

So three games big time production when Nico is injured… Funny you consider that a coincidence rather than what it is (a high end backup replacing the injured starter at a high level).
 
I don't think the Texans have released anything but they will be having a joint practice with the Rams during pre-season according to Sean McVay:

Rams coach Sean McVay said his team will have a total of four joint practices during the preseason, meeting with the Cowboys at their training camp site in Oxnard, California, with the Texans in Houston, and twice with the Chargers, the logistics of which haven't been worked out but which should be easy given their neighboring locations.
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Rams will have joint practices with Cowboys, Texans, and two with the Chargers

The Rams will have a busy schedule of joint practices this summer.
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Lucky said:
Who was Brown last year?

Brown - 463 Off. snaps, 55 targets, 567 yds - 1.2 yards/snap, 10.3 yds/target
Collins - 669 Off. snaps, 109 targets, 1297 yards - 1.9 yards/snap, 11.9 yards/target
Dell - 494 Off. snaps, 75 targets, 709 yards -1.4 yards/snap, 9.5 yards/target.
Woods - 666 Off. snaps, 75 targets, 426 yards -0.6 yards/snap, 5.7 yards/target.

Collins and Dell were targeted more. But Brown was efficient when used. Pretty good for a WR3/WR4. If Metchie is able to take the WR4 role from Brown, great.
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The Pencil Neck said:
What I disagree with here is the "when used" part. I think the reason Brown wasn't targeted more was simply because he wasn't getting open. I think he's a good 3rd or 4th option, but I don't think he's good enough at getting open without help.

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At least, that's my take on him and his game. I don't expect him to ever be a 1st or 2nd option. And with this receiver room, he may be a good WR5.
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Target percentage for snaps played:

Brown 12%
Nico 16%
Tank 15%
Woods 11%


Given the percent he was targeted and his production I think on a typical team he's a good WR3/4 that could spot fill in for one of the two starters.

I agree that Metchie (or someone else) will need to take the WR4 role from Brown based on last year's production.
 
Just for fun I looked at how Diggs compared to our guys from last season. He played 949 snaps with 160 targets meaning he was targeted 17% of the time he was on the field.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Just for fun I looked at how Diggs compared to our guys from last season. He played 949 snaps with 160 targets meaning he was targeted 17% of the time he was on the field.
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I don’t know how to explain what I’m asking but are there players with higher target percentage? I would have thought Diggs got more than 17%. Who’s number one in the league?
 
NitroGSXR said:
I don’t know how to explain what I’m asking but are there players with higher target percentage? I would have thought Diggs got more than 17%. Who’s number one in the league?
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It would’ve but the new OC changed the offense and they started targeting other receivers. It was approximately 7 games l.
 
NitroGSXR said:
I don’t know how to explain what I’m asking but are there players with higher target percentage? I would have thought Diggs got more than 17%. Who’s number one in the league?
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I just did a few of the top WR's in the league.
Obviously these numbers will be skewed by several factors, but I don't think there will be any 1 or 2 WR that beats Hill's 25%.
But other than Jefferson he played the smallest percentage of his team's total snaps. Still, 25% is nuts.
Regarding Diggs snap count, he played 949 snaps last season.
Tank was injured so his snap count took a hit, but it says Nico played in 15 games....His snap count was kind of low for 15 games. I wasn't as in tune last year, so maybe he missed some time in those games due to injury or something?


PLAYERTARGETSSNAPSPercent of Targets/Snap
Davante Adams17596318%
Justin Jefferson100550 18% (10 games)
Tyreek Hill171695 25%
Ja'Marr Chase14589016%
CeeDee Lamb18199118%
A.J. Brown158101916%
Amon-Ra St. Brown164 101016%
Brandon Aiyuk 105803 13%
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I just did a few of the top WR's in the league.
Obviously these numbers will be skewed by several factors, but I don't think there will be any 1 or 2 WR that beats Hill's 25%.
But other than Jefferson he played the smallest percentage of his team's total snaps. Still, 25% is nuts.
Regarding Diggs snap count, he played 949 snaps last season.
Tank was injured so his snap count took a hit, but it says Nico played in 15 games....His snap count was kind of low for 15 games. I wasn't as in tune last year, so maybe he missed some time in those games due to injury or something?


PLAYERTARGETSSNAPSPercent of Targets/Snap
Davante Adams17596318%
Justin Jefferson100550 18% (10 games)
Tyreek Hill171695 25%
Ja'Marr Chase14589016%
CeeDee Lamb18199118%
A.J. Brown158101916%
Amon-Ra St. Brown164101016%
Brandon Aiyuk10580313%
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Good info. Nico missed a significant portion of the Jets game he was injured in as well. I think he went out in the first drive. And he got hurt during the Bucs game and had to leave early (though played long enough to get 5 targets).
 
badboy said:
Forgot to post this yesterday:
torotimes.com

Jeff Okudah isn't making waves in camp and that should surprise no one

Jeff Okudah is by all accounts, a bust. He was taken third overall by the Detroit Lions in the 2020 NFL Draft.
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TheRealJoker V2 said:
You should’ve continued to forget to post that drivel… I’ll worry about Okudah when TC and preseason rolls around.
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These articles are mainly written by people that haven't ever seen a Texans practice. They watch twitter, read other bloggers, then pull an article of their rear.

Sort of like what we do here. :)
 
Lucky said:
I think it's how the author went about creating his opinions. Maybe stating opinions as facts. Making assumptions from one twitter video clip. It's not even training camp yet. Hard to take this stuff seriously.
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And everything we do is taken extremely seriously on this message board!
 
Lucky said:
These articles are mainly written by people that haven't ever seen a Texans practice. They watch twitter, read other bloggers, then pull an article of their rear.

Sort of like what we do here. :)
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True,

Okudah is a very talented guy. He just needs to stay healthy.
 
FuzzyLogic said:
I get the sentiment and it was a good funny quip - and for the most part, we think of locksmiths as people you call when you lock your keys in your car... buuutttt....

The actual definition of a locksmith is someone who makes or repairs locks, so for the original use of the word it makes plenty of sense.
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When a lock down corner locks in, a locksmith needs to be called to unlock the target.
 
FuzzyLogic said:
That's so disappointing...

I mean the way he is bullying that little kid, the kid just wants to get to the snow cone stand and Kenyon is just denying him.
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Hopefully posters this yr will be admitting they were wrong about Kenyon like they admitted they were wrong about Caserio/Tunsil.

Oh wait.... NVM
 
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