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I don't understand your love of Steinkuhler... he never lived up to his hype
By your reckoning, Steinkuhler wasn't dependable (only 3 of 7 full seasons) and never accomplished anything as a pro.
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I don't understand your love of Steinkuhler... he never lived up to his hype
maverick512000
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So a radio program in their cut away said something to help insure their audience stayed through the commercial and were still listening when they came back on? Sounds like they did their jobs and got you hooked, did you really think they actually had insider information?
Because the Texans don't leak like an old boat any more and if they press to hard they will be cut out entirely. Lets say for example Pancakes asked directly 'will Howard be back' to Caserio, Nick is just going to give the same neutral answer he already gave "Tytus is improving and working hard and we are taking it day by day. He's a valuable teammate and a hard worker and we are glad to have him with us." If they keep pressing Nick keeps gives a version of the same answer while smiling and mentally marking their name on the blackballed list. Interviews aren't get answers, interviews are to get an audience. Frankly. that's the way it should be handled because what fans don't know, other teams don't know.
maverick512000
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Assuming you mean Brooks that one I can't blame on OB. The Texan doctors were telling him that there is nothing wrong with Brooks and that he shouldn't have any reason not to play. So you have an employee that the doctors are telling you is fine to play but the guy is saying he can't play and even when he is he doesn't seem to be working as hard as the rest of the team. Remove hindsight from it and put yourself in that moment, do you go with the team doctors basically saying the guy is just lazy or do you go with the player who is just telling you he doesn't feel good. Even if you go with the player what do you do? Go against the team doctors and seek an outside medical facility on the very off chance that the doctors the Texans are paying big money to got it wrong? This isn't some TV show where the brave, father figure of a coach stands up for his struggling player who is trying his best but everyone is against him this is real life and in real life if the company doctor says a worker is fine and has no medical reason not to do his job then that's what you go with. If, as in this case, the doctor gets it wrong then thats on the doctor and the company should deal with them for making such a crucial error.
Only as a run blocker. His pass blocking was atrocious
Winston was a penalty magnet. Your welcome to your delusions and perhaps someone's memory sucks but I don't recall Winston getting much acclaim as an above average tackle. I do recall the board here wanting him replaced long before he was right at the top of Kubiack's best years
dalemurphy
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badboy
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Texans injury update: DeMeco Ryans upbeat about recovery time tables for Tank Dell, Tytus Howard
Wide receiver coming off broken fibula, offensive tackle had knee surgery
www.click2houston.com
badboy
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One of my favorite shows!
badboy
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Nope. I posted above and will again.. Ryans now saying Howard back by TC. I do agree that Nick is much less likely to communicate anything negative.
Texans injury update: DeMeco Ryans upbeat about recovery time tables for Tank Dell, Tytus Howard
Wide receiver coming off broken fibula, offensive tackle had knee surgery
www.click2houston.com
dalemurphy
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Nope. I posted above and will again.. Ryans now saying Howard back by TC. I do agree that Nick is much less likely to communicate anything negative.
Texans injury update: DeMeco Ryans upbeat about recovery time tables for Tank Dell, Tytus Howard
Wide receiver coming off broken fibula, offensive tackle had knee surgery
Demeco's job is to inspire and support Howard to get himself ready to help the team. Nick's job is to make the hard decisions on personnel (in private consultation with Demeco) So, Demeco praising Howard's work ethic/etc.. doesn't tell me anything new. If they stand pat at OT in free agency and then don't grab an OT in round 2 or 3, then they are screaming that they expect Howard to be healthy and are counting on him.
leebigeztx
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Another player groomed for replacing a player that B'OB had trouble with.
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leebigeztx
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Winston was paid well as a rt and was very,very durable
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From your seat on the comfy couch you can tell that Howard is just avg at RT. But Caserio can't. That doesn't sound like betting on upside, that sounds delusional.
don't think we'll be playing tougher defenses next year. We played some pretty tough defenses in 2023. Next year the problem is we'll be playing much better offenses.
Our defense is going to have a harder time keeping the points off the board & our offense is going to have a harder time keeping up.
I'm not saying the defenses will be worse than the 2023 opponents, just not better.
No I can see results from my comfy couch. Apparently you live in denial while sitting on your comfy couch and I would love nothing more than Howard to prove me wrong, however this is unlikely to happen.
Not anywhere near what Howard is being paid.
I hope I'm wrong, but it looks to me like Howard is sunk cost. Hopefully Caserio will be able to get out from under this deal after next season without too much pain.
Winston was the better player.
I cant figure out why you're defending Howard, in the last 4 yrs he's accomplished very little on the field in the way of production. Or what you see in that's happened in the last 4 yrs and this includes playing OT, that makes you think he's going to improve his game, particularly coming off of the serious injury from last yr?
Maybe you're just an eternal optimist instead of an old curmudgeon
maverick512000
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Nope. I posted above and will again.. Ryans now saying Howard back by TC. I do agree that Nick is much less likely to communicate anything negative.
Texans injury update: DeMeco Ryans upbeat about recovery time tables for Tank Dell, Tytus Howard
Wide receiver coming off broken fibula, offensive tackle had knee surgery
You realize back for training camp doesn't mean he can or will play right? That just means he is not so down that he can't attend contract mandatory training. You are really reading way to much into things and for some reason believe the Texans are going to give any straight answers months before even the pre-season games.
maverick512000
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I have no idea who or what you are talking about.
badboy
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And again why aren't Talking Heads asking specific questions when they meet with Nick Caserio? If we on this board can see that right tackle might be a problem, why doesn't anyone else have that concern? why aren't they asking?
maverick512000
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Because again if they ask to many questions that Texans don't want to answer then they lose the chance to ask any questions. I say again interviews aren't for getting answers, interviews are for getting an audience.
You're right .... just a poorly thought out image came to mind. I feel like our offensive line is weak or injured so much of the time .... and our offensive side, is loaded with healthy young studs. If we run out a weak or hobbled line, those studs are not going to throttle back. They'll crank it up to take pressure off our line .... by the end of the season, these talented young studs will have begun to hobble along with the linemen. But If we were to shore up with young, powerful linemen, we could focus on building the defense. Nothing is ever guaranteed, but we've got the beginnings of a SuperBowl Contender .... we've such a good start, it seems like we oughta try .... if it were my team, I would !
He was great run blocking in the ZBS but his pass sets were atrocious. He never made a pro bowl, wasn't thought nearly as high nationwide as he was in Houston. It was Kubiak's offense that people loved so much
I'm not in denial, I'm trying to see Nick as a competent GM, but if he's going to miss this bad... I'm just having a hard time seeing it.
Sometimes I wish I had an agenda. Then I could say some blatantly contradictory BS & defend it with "facts" pulled out of my backside.
Like I said he bet on Howard's upside and Howard got hurt again.
This is the only real miss since Caserio has been on Kirby. I guess when you didn't like the hire to begin with you look at things in a smaller light rather than seeing the bigger picture. In 3 years Caserio has built a contender, what more can you ask for? Nobody is perfect but Caserio is the best GM in Texans history, not that the bar has been set very high by past GM"s.
TheRealJoker
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1st, I guess I'll repeat my previous response, this doesn't sound like a bet, it sounds delusional.
2nd, if injury is the issue how are you saying his evaluation of Howard's play is wrong.
3rd, now you're saying Nick missed on Howard's level of play & his availability, yet you argue he is good at his job.
I was one of the few that wanted Nick despite the New England connection & I was elated when Easterby took the jet to go get him.
maverick512000
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Thing is when Howard is healthy he actually is a pretty good RT and he specializes in the pass block, before his extension he was coming off back to back 70 rating in the pass blocking, like Tunsil does which is exactly what this Texans team needs with CJ at QB. Key part of that is "when Howard is healthy" I agree that, in hindsight, Caserio made a mistake extending him 3 more years but its an understandable mistake to make because they did need to lock him to a longer contract and if you look around the league 3 years is becoming the normal contract length and players that aren't in prove it mode or hoping to win a SB now aren't really taking less. If Howard had walked then everyone here would be screaming for Nick's head with "How can you let the longest member and one of the most solid parts of the Oline walk?" If Howard doesn't get hurt then CJ is protected on both sides by consistently one of the best pass blocking due in the league. So you roll the dice, give him the best contract you can that won't hurt the team and you pray he stays healthy.
For the record I said at the time to make Howard play out his 5th yr option. No way he should've gotten 18 mil a year with his history.
If he would have stayed healthy and played like he did in 2022, no way you sign him for $18M. He didn't have a bad injury history going in
I said at the time to make Howard play out his 5th yr option and that it was a bad decision to extend him.
You might have been ok with hiring Caserio,, but you've disagreed with just about everything he's done. I'm glad he didn't follow Texians and your way of wanting things done. It only took Caserio 3 yrs to cleanup the mess of a cap that was left for him by BOB and build this team to a point where they tied their best record EVER and will be contenders for the next five or so years. He drafted star level players at the most important positions QB,Edge,CB, Re-signed Tunsil.
Caserio did a great job building this team and did this under very adverse circumstances.
Why do you say this? He missed 3 games in 3 seasons prior to 2023
Number19
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It's not that his contract was extended, I agree that it is dollar amount of his contract.
Looking at 2022, which is the year which got him this contract, he was healthy. He played in all 17 games (only 7 snaps in week 16) for a total of 997 snaps. BUT....among all tackles, he was ranked 53/139. Just pass blocking, his forte, he ranked 56/133. Run blocking, 54/137.
So, he was just average.
His contract was the 4th highest among right tackles.
In 2022 he was paid $2.16M, so he was due a nice bump. I don't know, maybe something more like 3 years for $30M? So yeh, Nick missed on this. Not for extending him but for paying him too much.
Some people can't criticize Nick for some moves, while praising him for others. It has to be all or nothing.
No one is perfect. And Caserio made a mistake on this one. He'll have the same decision on whether to extend Nico, based off one good season. I think he should. Can't be in fear of taking chances.
maverick512000
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This has him ranked 30th among all NFL tackles right and left.
You guys don't seem to be looking around the NFL as a whole much. Even average tackles, and whether Howard is or not is another debate, are getting monster contracts. This is because this has become a QB league and so in addition to shelling out big money for the QB you have to shell out big money to protect them. If Caserio had waited there was absolutely no way he was getting Howard for 18 a year. Remember a player is only the highest paid at their position until the next player signs their contract.
Number19
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I knew my numbers were skewed a bit because I didn't take time to filter out for minimum number of snaps. Your number looks reasonable. I'd be curious to know 30th out of how many? I'd guess still middle of the pack.
If I wanted to spend the time, it would be interesting to see what some of the JAG RTs signed for recently.
maverick512000
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This might give you an idea.
Broncos gave Mike McGlinchey, who was right behind Howard on that list, a 5 year 87.5 million dollar deal which averages out to about 17.5 a year. Now they did some restructuring on his contract earlier this month because they were so badly over the cap but all that means is he will be about a 25 million dollar hit on the cap next year. McGlinchey is basically a run block specialist version of Howard. So yeah the price of any decent tackle has sky rocketed.
So your issue is about health & not quality of play? That changes everything. If you agree Howard is one of the best RTs when healthy, but you're disappointed with his availability your position makes sense & I have no gripe.
But if you're saying Nick overpaid for a guy who can't even stay healthy i don't see how you can say he's a good GM.
Until recently, yes. Just about.
Had he done like Texian & others suggested the $75MM he had to spend this year would have felt like $75MM. It'd be a lot more if he'd have started rolling that extra cap two years ago.
I see where your standards are & im sorry that you're ok with good enough.
Had he not drafted the QB you didn't want him to draft, things would look a lot different.
Don't put me in that bunch. I've been giving him kudos lately.
I'm not even criticizing Nick right now, I'm questioning an asinine position regarding a decision Nick made.
How many games did he play hurt in that he had poor performances. BTW, I dont blame Howard for this, this was on the Dr.'s and BOB./Culley/Lovie.
I'm going to take a break from the Howard talk for a couple of days, but I will leave you with this, Howard should be playing on his 5th yr option instead of the team being saddled with at least 36 mil in cap space gone for nothing. Obviously you think much more highly of Howard than I ever did from the day he was drafted. His career has been predictably avg. IMHO
You seem to think he's had a good career. I think for what he's given the team he's been overpaid since the day he signed his 1st contract and the overpay only got worse with his 2nd contract. Agree to disagree
This is why you invest 18 mil on difference makers and sign a guy like Fant plus draft a developmental guy. Blown opportunities are just that blown opportunities. Need a S then X. McKinney could've been had with that cap space as an example. Rankins could've still been a Texan.
2023 was his 5th year
So your issue is about health & not quality of play? That changes everything. If you agree Howard is one of the best RTs when healthy, but you're disappointed with his availability your position makes sense & I have no gripe.
But if you're saying Nick overpaid for a guy who can't even stay healthy i don't see how you can say he's a good GM.
Until recently, yes. Just about.
Had he done like Texian & others suggested the $75MM he had to spend this year would have felt like $75MM. It'd be a lot more if he'd have started rolling that extra cap two years ago.
I see where your standards are & im sorry that you're ok with good enough.
Had he not drafted the QB you didn't want him to draft, things would look a lot different.
Don't put me in that bunch. I've been giving him kudos lately.
I'm not even criticizing Nick right now, I'm questioning an asinine position regarding a decision Nick made.
I see I touched a nerve. Yes Caserio drafted a QB I didn't want, that's why he's the GM and I'm not. More to the point Hannah got lucky.
Good? they wouldn't be as good as they are now if they had traded a top 5 LT to save money. They have plenty of cap space and are well setup for not only this draft but the 2025 draft. Do you not think in 5 yrs the Texans have as good a chance as anybody to win a championship? Did you expect the Texans to win a championship last yr or not? If not, do you think they've upgraded the team where they needed to most? Adding Hunter (Who I called) opposite WA should give the Texans the best pass rush in the NFL. Everybody keeps talking fix the run game, guess what Al Shaair will really help with this. Run game wasn't good last yr, add Mixon and hope they aren't so unbelievably unlucky with OL injuries. They still are going to add one more major piece most likely.
I guess I dont expect the GM to get every decision right, even if I called it beforehand.
In short after all of that typing, what were/are your expectations?
I'm going to use that same reasoning concerning the RT he extended.
You got me mixed up with someone else. I didn't want that to happen, just didn't complain about the people posting it.
Sound like a Cowboy fan.
I'll admit the Texans defense shocked me last year, with what DeMeco had to work with... shocked. Pleasantly surprised.
Check out post 1096 to see how one decision snowballs into a bunch of bad circumstances.
Overall I'm satisfied with what Nick has done this offseason. But like you, I don't think he's perfect.