With a training camp I think he can. He's played some RG IIRC.
Death to Google Ads! Texans Talk Tip Jar! 🍺😎👍
Thanks for your support!
Texans Offensive Line
- Thread starter 76Texan
- Start date
I think Scruggs & Paterson "proved" themselves through the same non padded practices.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Scruggs had snaps in all 3 preseason games and in retrospect had won the starting position at Center. With our injuries he apparently had shown enough for the coaching staff to move him to LG.
Patterson, although briefly injured early in camp for a week or two, made it back to preseason practices to have snaps in preseason games 2 and 3.
Both Scruggs and Patterson had gone through OTAs and training camp.
How many padded practices did they have through OTAs & training camp?
Number19
Hall of Fame
Through OTAs and Minicamp, zero of course. Once training camp started, they had 20 practices scheduled. How many were full contact, you're free to research this. I'm not.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Maybe a little off topic, but they'll all have a full off-season to heal, revisit this seasons games to look at mistakes and tendencies and possible new plays to implement and a new crop of rookies and FA's to assimilate.
I know we are in the thick of a late season charge, but next season holds so much promise - and the current rookies will have a year under their belts and should take the next step up.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Get the team OT- Guyton (Oklahoma) in the draft and I’ll be far less worried about the Texans OT situation next season. They must prepare heir for either side of the line and this should be the guy to add some security to the position.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Does anybody know what the team saw in Heck to make him the starter over Fant? I have to assume it’s because Fant is still recovering from injury and you don’t typically rotate OL like you can DL with Anderson getting limited snaps.
Fant did make it into the game late, but it was a peculiar decision.
Fant did make it into the game late, but it was a peculiar decision.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Our future left guard?
basicbluesnation.com
Former Penn State OL Juice Scruggs garnering praise amid first NFL playoff run
Former Penn State football OL Juice Scruggs has been impressive his rookie season according to his head coach and he has the numbers to back it up.
basicbluesnation.com
Number19
Hall of Fame
That link conveniently left out his run blocking grade - 47.8, the worst on the OL for that game.Our future left guard?
Former Penn State OL Juice Scruggs garnering praise amid first NFL playoff run
Former Penn State football OL Juice Scruggs has been impressive his rookie season according to his head coach and he has the numbers to back it up.
Scruggs may have improved as his playing time progressed, I haven't looked into this, but for the season among OGs, he ranked #100 with a grade of 51.0.
Deiter ranked #38 among OCs with a grade of 57.9 and the position needs upgrading. In training camp Scruggs had won the starting position over Patterson and most likely it will be between these two this next year.
LG will most likely be between the two Greens. Patterson could be in the mix. With Kenyon Green's injury history, I'm thinking Kendrick Green may have the edge.
This year our OL ranked #19 in pass blocking and also ranked #19 in run blocking. If we can stay relatively healthy we should see improvement next year which should improve our run game.
Even with our below average blocking, our offense ranked #12 on the strength of Stroud's play. With an improved OL and an improved run game, we could have a top 10 offense next year.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I really want Kenyon Green to work out. Not because he was a 1st round pick. That’s a sunk cost.
But because he showed the ability to be a nasty mauler in the run game when he was in college. The team needs that.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Last year, 2022, OC Tyler Linderbaum was thougbt of pretty highly on TT and was drafted 1/25. He started as a rookie and ended the season ranked #6. This year he ranks #9.
Ryans said he really liked the job Patterson did at center. Juice is improving and should provide great competition in TC with the Green's for those 2 spots. Isn't it great that the OL finally has some depth? I could also see Kenyon get the swing OT job if he doesn't win the starting LG spot, which would be disappointing. He played both OT spots at A&M.
If Green can finally get healthy and play up to his talent level that would solve a lot of the OL issues.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If I still had my rathers…..I’m targeting OT- Tyler Guyton (Oklahoma) in RD1. He has the physical makeup that’s perfect for an OT not to mention his ability to pass block. He’s also a physical run blocker that does the job with some serious nasty.
House of Pain
Wild Speculator
With all the talk from outside media and fans about using another high draft pick on the OL, would you draft an OL in the first 3 rounds?
Personally, I think that if the line stays healthy and we get a RB familiar with the system we run, it will be much improved. I don't see how next year could be as bad as this year. Freakishly bad on the health front. I definitely wouldn't draft anyone for the OL before the 4th round. Based on his 6th round pick on Patterson last year, I think Caserio can find some quality depth in the later rounds for insurance. Especially if we can get a TE that can block worth a damn (not a slight on Schultz, it's just not his role).
Maybe Kenyon Green will magically change everything we've seen from him on the field and in the weight room to live up to his 1st round pick? I'm not going to hold my breath but if he does not, I do think that some combination of Patterson or Juice at LG/C will be just fine and the coaching staff's ability to put together a serviceable line with spare and discarded parts cannot be overlooked. They made Austin Deculus look like a an NFL player in the 30-6 drubbing of the Steelers that had a decent defense.
At this point, this team has too many needs at WR, TE, Interior D-line, CB, LB, S to invest another high pick on the OL.
Personally, I think that if the line stays healthy and we get a RB familiar with the system we run, it will be much improved. I don't see how next year could be as bad as this year. Freakishly bad on the health front. I definitely wouldn't draft anyone for the OL before the 4th round. Based on his 6th round pick on Patterson last year, I think Caserio can find some quality depth in the later rounds for insurance. Especially if we can get a TE that can block worth a damn (not a slight on Schultz, it's just not his role).
Maybe Kenyon Green will magically change everything we've seen from him on the field and in the weight room to live up to his 1st round pick? I'm not going to hold my breath but if he does not, I do think that some combination of Patterson or Juice at LG/C will be just fine and the coaching staff's ability to put together a serviceable line with spare and discarded parts cannot be overlooked. They made Austin Deculus look like a an NFL player in the 30-6 drubbing of the Steelers that had a decent defense.
At this point, this team has too many needs at WR, TE, Interior D-line, CB, LB, S to invest another high pick on the OL.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well that totally shocks me! I would have thought he would have provided his medical records after saying how bad he was doing?
Can't let @Porky have his moment without dousing the cold water of reality?
I do believe he's going to play this yr. How well is the question and I wouldn't expect him to play better than the avg player he was before injury.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Sorry but I did wait 2 hours before I replied so I guess he got his moment. LOL
badboy
Hall of Fame
After the season and Janice McNair winning her court case against her son, I think things are going good for the Texans so why not?
Very generous of you.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Thanks! I try.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Thank you Mr. Lucky! I mean it's more than any of you yahoo's have gotten from all your digging lol
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Yes.
Of course, we can't possibly know how well he really is doing, but I cannot rest easy. I would draft linemen with my first 2 picks ! I think CJ's protection is paramount in our quest .... I don't think we will ever have a QB with his talent again. Don't forget to remember, he already missed multiple games due to concussion !
Number19
Hall of Fame
Just want to be on record, since I've been so negative on Howard's return, that I'm now on board that he could try and return by training camp.
I went back to read CnnnD and found he had edited his comments in late December. I no longer find mention of an 18 month recovery. I went way back to 2011 when CnnnD mentioned it could take as little as 6 months and for more severe injury, 9 to 12 months.
This assessment agrees with another Google search which I found all over the place, but most saying 4 to 6 months, and at least one saying 6 to 12 months. Of course these focus on the general population and CnnnD more on football injury.
I went back to read CnnnD and found he had edited his comments in late December. I no longer find mention of an 18 month recovery. I went way back to 2011 when CnnnD mentioned it could take as little as 6 months and for more severe injury, 9 to 12 months.
This assessment agrees with another Google search which I found all over the place, but most saying 4 to 6 months, and at least one saying 6 to 12 months. Of course these focus on the general population and CnnnD more on football injury.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Hey man, what do you think of our line with a healthy Howard at RT?
What if anything would you do this off-season to make it better?
I'm trying to follow your thought process,
What does the Janice lawsuit have to do with the Howard injury or the likelihood of him returning to his previous rate of play, which frankly was avg at best?
badboy
Hall of Fame
As I pointed out, the 2023 season was really good and positive for us as was Janice winning the lawsuit. I would like to project that Howard returning to start at any time during the 2024 season would also be extremely good and positive.
Number19
Hall of Fame
That'll be about 8 months post op. About what is to be expected for a quick rehab. If he does make it back that soon it remains to be seen whether it's at 100% pre-injury. Or 90%, or 80%, or what.
I'm sorry .... just now saw this . Truth is .... I don't that I've ever seen him healthy - I do know that I've ever seen him playing well .... maybe he did .... but when I isolate on him, I see nothing that impresses me. QB to TE to LM ... I Don't Know . I do see other Linemen
Last edited:
No kidding .... I've never seen play hard or dominate for one play .... I can't imagine what he would look like. I have seen backup RT, can't remember his name, Battling like hell !!! Did we cut our punter ? I remember looking at Patterson's physique and thinking he looked strong and athletic .... 31 1/3" arms - is that long enough for center ?
Last edited:
beerlover
Hall of Fame
In a perfect world Texans take bpa and fill biggest need. 42nd pick will be one heck of player, regardless which side of the ball he plays. This is a really great OT & WR class. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if it goes done in that order or draft immovable force T’Vondre Sweat.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
As long as he doesn't have to lower himself down to his knees so his hands can reach and snap the ball.....he should be fine. One observation, Patterson was doing just fine at C before his injury. I really want to see the more athletic Scruggs remain at LG b/c he was getting better at his job as the season progressed. They didn't really get much of a chance to have Scruggs and Patterson on the field at the same time. If Scruggs comes to camp as a LG, I truly believe he'd be the top LG on the team by the end of camp.
On a side note....Patterson, Scruggs, and Green could all play C or OG which represents great depth.
Last edited:
calishung7717
Practice Squad
In a perfect world Texans take bpa and fill biggest need. 42nd pick will be one heck of player, regardless which side of the ball he plays. This is a really great OT & WR class. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if it goes done in that order or draft immovable force T’Vondre Sweat.
Texans apparently like Christian Jones.
Offensive tackle Christian Jones was drilled by the New Orleans Saints, and he looked good. Teams are looking at him as a right tackle on Sundays. One team keen on Jones is the Houston Texans, who could use the 86th pick to draft him.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/new...worth-notes-adonai-mitchell-ja-tavion-sanders
When did Nick say that? Because I don't remember Caserio being that specific when speaking of Howard in his interview with Payne and Pendergast on Tuesday.
Here's a link to the Caserio interview on 610. Nick's response to Howard's status begins at 37:24. The following is my transcription.
"Tytus has some work done in the offseason, after the season. Honestly, Tytus is a tough dude. He's very tough, physically tough. He probably played more hurt than maybe people realized last year. Ultimately, we decided to shut him down, had to shut him down. He's got a good attitude, some of the pain has subsided. So the procedure he had done will hopefully help him. He's been here every day, so he's starting to make progress. So really, the best thing is for all these players is to come in, work with our training staff, work with our sports performance staff, and take it one day at a time. As far as timing of when they are going to be on the field, we're not too caught up in that. If he's making progress, moving in the right direction, that's the most important thing."
Last edited:
2022 was the first and only season Howard played in every game. He's missed 22 games over 5 seasons. Played hurt in others. Not sure if he ever played healthy in 2023.
"But the Texans have invested heavily in Tytus..." Yes, I know. But what does that have to do with the odds Howard will be able to perform at a satisfactory level in 2024? The money Tytus is being paid has nothing to do with his health and future performance.
Last edited:
Number19
Hall of Fame
He's really raw, but lots of improvement each year. 5 sacks as a sophmore; 4 sacks as a junior; 3 sacks as a senior; 0 sacks as a fifth year senior. Has all the physical traits. Draftbuzz says good movement and feet. Like what they have to say about him. Could be worth one of our 4s
Number19
Hall of Fame
Nothing here indicating he'll be back for TC.
badboy
Hall of Fame
To be fair, it is hard to evaluate Howard as he is not remained at right tackle. He is not a guard either side. Concerning Patterson's arms, you are correct, they are extremely short. However, it has not impacted him in college at Notre Dame or NFL. He has yet to give up a sack.
badboy
Hall of Fame
beats me! As I said, the guys on 610 radio brought it up and said that he would be ready. To be honest I was stunned. As everyone knows, I do not think that Tytus Howard will play this year but I'm certainly going to admit if I am wrong.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
That is not accurate. I listened to the interview. He was careful not to give specific medical updates. What he said regarding Howard:
1. He is a tough dude, who played through a lot last year before they had to remove him (it was a we3ird portion of the interview where he seemed hesitant/strange when he referenced the season-ending event (the rupture) that happened)
2. He said that he is doing all that he can to get ready
3. He said that Howard and Dell are both ahead of Dylan Horton in their expected return.
A person listening to interview could certainly come away with the impression that they are expecting Howard to be ready to go, but he never said that. My impression is that they are expecting him to meaningfully contribute this season.. BUT, he never said that either.