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O'Brien You need to deliver... yesterday.

infantrycak said:
Careful, your betrothed might get angry. Texian wanted to keep Kubiak.
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McNair fired Kubiak because he pulled Keenum. Under the circumstances in a fit of rage he fired Kubiak for the wrong reasons. The Texans had a QB who completely self destructed right before everyone's eyes. The Texans had a QB problem, they didn't have a coaching problem.
 
Texecutioner said:
No way he'd get pass simply by that. There have been a number of people on this site that have hated him since day one because they were so in love with Kubiak and were angry about Kubiak getting canned. It wouldn't have mattered who the HC was. They were going to get unfairly criticized.
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I think most Kubiak fans believe Kubiak asked to be let go. Right or wrong, it doesn't matter. It's what they believe.

Personally I think there are more folks here giving O'b a pass because he isn't Kubiak. No matter what he's done, it's great.

I started a thread way back when, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Because I saw too many similarities. Bill O'Brien is as much McNair's man as Kubiak ever was. Same type. We may appreciate the way O'b says things, but it's basically to the same results Kubiak got.

From, "It's on me." To, "We have to coach it better."

From Alfred Blue to Wali Lundy.

From giving Arian the ball 399 times one season to 397 the next.

From bringing in Myers, Putzier, Richard Smith, Dennison to Mallett, Hoyer, Wilfork, Godsey, John Perry.

For the last 5 years I've been saying this team is a QB away from serious contention & this MF brings in Brian Hoyer? ???

He'll no.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think most Kubiak fans believe Kubiak asked to be let go. Right or wrong, it doesn't matter. It's what they believe.

Personally I think there are more folks here giving O'b a pass because he isn't Kubiak. No matter what he's done, it's great.

I started a thread way back when, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Because I saw too many similarities. Bill O'Brien is as much McNair's man as Kubiak ever was. Same type. We may appreciate the way O'b says things, but it's basically to the same results Kubiak got.

From, "It's on me." To, "We have to coach it better."

From Alfred Blue to Wali Lundy.

From giving Arian the ball 399 times one season to 397 the next.

From bringing in Myers, Putzier, Richard Smith, Dennison to Mallett, Hoyer, Wilfork, Godsey, John Perry.

For the last 5 years I've been saying this team is a QB away from serious contention & this MF brings in Brian Hoyer? ???

He'll no.
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It Kubiak coached this team last season, do you in think we go 9-7? I don't think so


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thunderkyss said:
I think most Kubiak fans believe Kubiak asked to be let go. Right or wrong, it doesn't matter. It's what they believe.

Personally I think there are more folks here giving O'b a pass because he isn't Kubiak. No matter what he's done, it's great.

I started a thread way back when, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Because I saw too many similarities. Bill O'Brien is as much McNair's man as Kubiak ever was. Same type. We may appreciate the way O'b says things, but it's basically to the same results Kubiak got.

From, "It's on me." To, "We have to coach it better."

From Alfred Blue to Wali Lundy.

From giving Arian the ball 399 times one season to 397 the next.

From bringing in Myers, Putzier, Richard Smith, Dennison to Mallett, Hoyer, Wilfork, Godsey, John Perry.

For the last 5 years I've been saying this team is a QB away from serious contention & this MF brings in Brian Hoyer? ???

He'll no.
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Who in here thinks that OB has done a great job? I haven't really seen anyone saying that.

And you talk about Hoyer as if we turned Drew Brees or Rivers away in order to get Hoyer. The FA options were horrible last season. I don't know of any that were going to work out well at all. Hoyer was still a bad pick up either way. No one is going to argue that, but trying to harp on it knowing there really weren't any other great options isn't really saying much, because if it was someone else we'd likely be having the same conversation.

Most people seem excited about Oz though, so hopefully that will negate all of that any way if he turns out well.
 
Texecutioner said:
And you talk about Hoyer as if we turned Drew Brees or Rivers away in order to get Hoyer. The FA options were horrible last season. I don't know of any that were going to work out well at all. Hoyer was still a bad pick up either way. No one is going to argue that, but trying to harp on it knowing there really weren't any other great options isn't really saying much, because if it was someone else we'd likely be having the same conversation.

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First, we had Fitz under contract for less money than we gave Hoyer. Admittedly I was not a Fitzpatrick fan before the season started... but that was one option.

Second, Mallett. Yeah, he was a head case, but a forty some year old HC, O'b should have been able to find a way to work with him. But to me, it seemed O'b jacked with him until Mallett couldn't take it.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Mallett was our future. We're talking about a bridge to our future. Suck it up, get the best you can out of Fitz/Mallett, draft Cook, Prescott, Lynch, Hackenberg & get them ready for the future.


Brian fkng Hoyer.
 
Texecutioner said:
Who in here thinks that OB has done a great job? I haven't really seen anyone saying that.

And you talk about Hoyer as if we turned Drew Brees or Rivers away in order to get Hoyer. The FA options were horrible last season. I don't know of any that were going to work out well at all. Hoyer was still a bad pick up either way. No one is going to argue that, but trying to harp on it knowing there really weren't any other great options isn't really saying much, because if it was someone else we'd likely be having the same conversation.

Most people seem excited about Oz though, so hopefully that will negate all of that any way if he turns out well.
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This is one area that I think separates Kubiak from O'Brien, there are those who can go out and make something happen like Kubiak did with Schaub and then there are those who sit back and take what's available or given to them like O'Brien did with Fitz and Hoyer. O'Brien's effort to make something happen was trading for Mallett. That said Kubiak was absolutely horrifically horrible when it came to hiring his coaches. He basically threw any Commitment to Excellence right out the window. Imagine how bad things would've been if Alex Gibbs had not picked up the phone and said he wanted to be the OL running game coach for the Texans. In all likelihood Kubiak would probably have been fired much sooner than he was if Alex had not called.
 
Texian said:
This is one area that I think separates Kubiak from O'Brien, there are those who can go out and make something happen like Kubiak did with Schaub and then there are those who sit back and take what's available or given to them like O'Brien did with Fitz and Hoyer. O'Brien's effort to make something happen was trading for Mallett. That said Kubiak was absolutely horrifically horrible when it came to hiring his coaches. He basically threw any Commitment to Excellence right out the window. Imagine how bad things would've been if Alex Gibbs had not picked up the phone and said he wanted to be the OL running game coach for the Texans. In all likelihood Kubiak would probably have been fired much sooner than he was if Alex had not called.
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I don't think Kubiak made much happen with Schaub. The #'s looked okay for a few seasons, but there was never a strong balance. When our passing game was really good, our running game was struggling. When our offense was really good, our defense was horrible. I don't know about you, but I never thought Schaub would take this team on his back and deliver in the clutch if he was in a high intensity playoff game in the 4th quarter. I just didn't feel like he was built for it. He could never get a fully balanced team. And OB has done basically the same thing by getting Brock. I know you don't like him, but we have yet to see what he can accomplish here. It took Kubiak a year to get Schaub so OB is one year behind schedule there, and FA QB's don't grow on trees as far as the good ones go. Maybe OB wanted a QB when we drafted Clowney. I don't know. He keeps things like that in house which is good, but I'd really like to know personally. Kubiak definitely should have been fired in year 6 when he went 6-10 after having high expectations, and that was when Bob came out and said "we're on the right track." Out of all the people I've disliked in this organization the most, I'd say it would have to be Bob.
 
thunderkyss said:
First, we had Fitz under contract for less money than we gave Hoyer. Admittedly I was not a Fitzpatrick fan before the season started... but that was one option.

Second, Mallett. Yeah, he was a head case, but a forty some year old HC, O'b should have been able to find a way to work with him. But to me, it seemed O'b jacked with him until Mallett couldn't take it.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Mallett was our future. We're talking about a bridge to our future. Suck it up, get the best you can out of Fitz/Mallett, draft Cook, Prescott, Lynch, Hackenberg & get them ready for the future.


Brian fkng Hoyer.
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Fitz was not an option. He was terrible here, and everyone hated him. If we would have stuck it out with him for one more season, the Texans would have been relentlessly tortured by the fans and the media for accepting mediocrity and not trying to make adjustments and rightfully so. Fitz gave this franchise literally no hope at all. Its easy to try and make it seem different after he had a real good year in NY where he gelled with those receivers and that nice Oline he had, but that simply was not the case when he came here. You don't give a guy like Fitz two seasons when he had already had one really bad one. He had been a career back up, and he was only brought here to be a place holder for a season any way. The Texans never had any plans for him to start more than one season at the longest and that was because they had opted to draft Clowney instead of a QB so they went with what seemed like the best available FA veteran that had experience as a starter.
 
Texecutioner said:
Fitz was not an option. He was terrible here, and everyone hated him.
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Keep in mind I'm saying they'd also draft a QB. Trade up from 16 to #1 overall, take Winston or Mariota.

Or push Tom Savage as the future, blah, blah, blah coach speak & all that.

Either way, spilled milk & all. Osweiler was definitely not on my radar, he's not the way I would have gone, but I'm hoping for the best.

:fans:
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't think Kubiak made much happen with Schaub. Maybe OB wanted a QB when we drafted Clowney. I don't know. He keeps things like that in house which is good, but I'd really like to know personally.
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By making things happen I mean knowing that all he had was a broke David Carr Kubiak was not content to just go fishing in the FA market. Instead he went after and traded for the best backup in the league. Now folks were pissed and there was gnashing of teeth at what Kubiak gave up but all in all for what he got for 6 good years, in the end it was rather cheap. You might be right about O'Brien wanting to draft Bortles, he definitely had an inside track with O'Leary. I'm still convinced Bob was a little gun shy about another QB with the first pick in the draft. Well aware of how well Peppers worked out and how poorly Carr did not, Bob was convinced he wasn't making that mistake again.
 
thunderkyss said:
Keep in mind I'm saying they'd also draft a QB. Trade up from 16 to #1 overall, take Winston or Mariota.

Or push Tom Savage as the future, blah, blah, blah coach speak & all that.

Either way, spilled milk & all. Osweiler was definitely not on my radar, he's not the way I would have gone, but I'm hoping for the best.

:fans:
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Not sure if you remember, but the guy I've said that I wanted the Texans to target this off season was Jimmy G. out of NE. I really like what I've seen out of him, and he would have had two years on the bench already. It has been a small sample size, but we'll see in a few weeks what Jimmy is made of. Any way, he was my #1 prospect in this off season.
 
Texecutioner said:
Not sure if you remember, but the guy I've said that I wanted the Texans to target this off season was Jimmy G. out of NE. I really like what I've seen out of him, and he would have had two years on the bench already. It has been a small sample size, but we'll see in a few weeks what Jimmy is made of. Any way, he was my #1 prospect in this off season.
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And that was a good idea. Who knows, they may have made a call and there wasn't a deal to be made.
 
BoB better perform in year 3.

His first two years were not impressive to me.
I think any "average" coach could have accomplished
the same thing with our roster.

Getting curb stomped twice by 40 at the half last year,
and also being completely uncompetitive in our playoff game
is indicative of a coaching staff that is not making the most of
our talent pool.

IMO, we don't get to the playoffs this year and BoB needs to go.


76Texan said:
I leave the content blank for now.

It's just unfathomable how the Texans fans have been giving O'Brien a pass.
(OK, I'm stirring up the pot again)

But really, why has this board been so quiet; the quietest I've noticed for a very long time.
Apathy? What?

I'm freaking tired of waiting and hoping.
The main core of players get paid millions of dollars; why should I give them time when they are veterans?

The players were the ones who wanted more pay for performance.
To ask us to be patient is ridiculous.
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infantrycak said:
And that was a good idea. Who knows, they may have made a call and there wasn't a deal to be made.
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Surprised you think so. A few times when I mentioned it most people thought I was kind of crazy. Of course I expected that since we had gone through the Mallet/Hoyer debacle from NE. Plus, not many people have really watched Jimmy, so most don't really know much about him. I've only seen small samples of him in the last two pre seasons, but he looks nice. We'll see in these first 4 games how he does. I just made sense to me at the time since Brady doesn't look like he'll be retiring any time soon and they'll likely end up losing him in FA so I figured BB may have been willing to let him go since they needed draft picks badly. Of course this was before the final suspension on Brady was released.

You're right they may have made a call and had a discussion. It wouldn't surprise me at all since OB has those ties over there.
 
Texecutioner said:
Oh great we've got the former Texans fan back in here to make up a ton of lies about the Kubiak era all over again. What difference does it make if Manning was in the division. That is 2 games a year genius. Ever think about the other 14? What a ridiculous excuse. It doesn't take teams 6 years to create a good team. OB already proved that wrong in his first year as well as a ton of other coaches around the league did that were hired the same year Kubiak was. Kubiak's first good Texans team was good mainly because of the defense that Wade brought that first year. Basically you could look at Kubiak's entire existence as a HC, and the majority of his team's successes have been mainly on the defensive side of the ball where Wade's coaching was the difference. Kubiak should be paying half his salary to Wade when you think about it. Without Wade, Kubiak's HC career would be a complete disaster. Poor Wade can't get another HC job either all because of his last stint in Dallas that was actually pretty good overall.
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I want you to actually type out the rosters. 2005 through 2010. The full 53 would be preferable, but I'll take the starting 22. Bonus points for their injury, dead money and retirement status from the end of the 2005 season. Do that and then I will respect your opinion regarding Kubiak. Until then, all I hear is 'waaahhh 2-14 without perspective'. You'd probably have greater appreciation for having to spend 3 years dumping David Carr, Jay Foreman, Ahman Green, and the rest if you actually typed those names out ... instead of just reminiscing about how we should've magically gone from Casserly expansion failure to 'why did it take Kubiak so long?'.
 
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Texecutioner said:
There have been a number of people on this site that have hated him since day one because they were so in love with Kubiak and were angry about Kubiak getting canned. It wouldn't have mattered who the HC was.
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Seeing as you get a hard-on anytime I mention the K word, I'll go ahead and assume I'm part of this equation. Since you ignore everything, I repeat as blunt as possible that I wouldn't have wanted O'Brien to be Offensive Coordinator (or QB coach or TE coach) under Kubiak. I said as much at the time, O'Brien being a nothing coach has zero to do with Kubiak. His experience is riding Gronkowki and Hernandez, promoted to Brady's bitsch, and sat in on the Penn State mess. At no point in his coaching career has he made an improvement - ever. He had roughly 4 years pro experience, zero actual success or reason to be hired - there are plenty coaching options I would've reluctantly approved. I actually would've been OK with Romeo or Andy Reid (off the top of my head) taking the reigns. I prefer veterans on and off the field - or at least a coach who has some sort of experience.

To defend O'Brien's 9-7 success, to laud the players like Watt and Mercilus and Cushing and the players that make us 9-7 ... while dry-humping 2-14 with an even stronger roster that had those exact same players, and vilifying the 2-14 coach who just won the SuperBowl without a quarterback (Brock got benched for the LITERALLY the worst QB in the league lol) and our entire former coaching staff. How has your head not exploded with such contradiction?
 
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Scooter said:
Seeing as you get a hard-on anytime I mention the K word (and your 'Scooter Kubiak!?!??!') canine senses kicked in to bring you here, I'll go ahead and assume I'm part of this equation. Since you ignore everything, I repeat as blunt as possible that I wouldn't have wanted O'Brien to be Offensive Coordinator (or QB coach or TE coach) under Kubiak. I said as much at the time, O'Brien being a nothing coach has zero to do with Kubiak (you have proven to have a bigger Kubiak fetish than everyone else on this site combined). His experience is riding Gronkowki and Hernandez, promoted to Brady's bitsch, and sat in on the Penn State mess. At no point in his coaching career has he made an improvement - ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! See the exclamation points? He had roughly 4 years pro experience, zero actual success or reason to be hired - there are plenty coaching options I would've reluctantly approved. I actually would've been OK with Romeo or Andy Reid (off the top of my head) taking the reigns. I prefer veterans on and off the field - or at least a coach who has some sort of experience. "Me love Kubiak" or "O'Brien Bad" is simply you being a dick and juvenile ignorance that you just keep on pushing.

To defend O'Brien's 9-7 success, to laud the players like Watt and Mercilus and Cushing and the players that make us 9-7 ... while dry-humping 2-14 with an even stronger roster that had those exact same players, and vilifying the 2-14 coach who just won the SuperBowl without a quarterback (Brock got benched for the LITERALLY the worst QB in the league lol) and our entire former coaching staff. How has your head not exploded with such contradiction?
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Kubiak =HOF HC

O'Brien = Dog Turd

LOL

Playoffs O'brien = .500
Kubiak HC Record = just above .500 after a decade.
 
Texecutioner said:
Not sure if you remember, but the guy I've said that I wanted the Texans to target this off season was Jimmy G. out of NE. I really like what I've seen out of him, and he would have had two years on the bench already. It has been a small sample size, but we'll see in a few weeks what Jimmy is made of. Any way, he was my #1 prospect in this off season.
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If I recall, when both Jimmy G and Savage were coming out of college, they were the only 2 QB's that BOB had personal workouts with. I really believe that BOB was going to draft Jimmy G with the 1st pick in the 3rd round be his old buddy "Belicheat" snatched him up about 2 picks before. As for trying to go after him this off season, I don't think there's any way Belichick would give him up. I really believe he is the "heir apparent" to Brady. Now if Brady keeps playing at a high level and Jimmy gets tired of waiting, he could pull an Osweiler! :D
 
Texecutioner said:
Surprised you think so. A few times when I mentioned it most people thought I was kind of crazy. Of course I expected that since we had gone through the Mallet/Hoyer debacle from NE. Plus, not many people have really watched Jimmy, so most don't really know much about him. I've only seen small samples of him in the last two pre seasons, but he looks nice. We'll see in these first 4 games how he does. I just made sense to me at the time since Brady doesn't look like he'll be retiring any time soon and they'll likely end up losing him in FA so I figured BB may have been willing to let him go since they needed draft picks badly. Of course this was before the final suspension on Brady was released.

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They also drafted Jacoby Brissett... one more thing that would make them likely to trade Garoppolo (I don't like the idea, I'm just saying it was plausible).
 
Insideop said:
If I recall, when both Jimmy G and Savage were coming out of college, they were the only 2 QB's that BOB had personal workouts with. I really believe that BOB was going to draft Jimmy G with the 1st pick in the 3rd round be his old buddy "Belicheat" snatched him up about 2 picks before. As for trying to go after him this off season, I don't think there's any way Belichick would give him up. I really believe he is the "heir apparent" to Brady. Now if Brady keeps playing at a high level and Jimmy gets tired of waiting, he could pull an Osweiler! :D
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That right there (if true) is another example of how everybody knows what we're going to do int he draft (we're always getting jumped for players we "supposedly" want) & we (the Texans) have no clue what anyone else is going to do in the draft.
 
thunderkyss said:
That right there (if true) is another example of how everybody knows what we're going to do int he draft (we're always getting jumped for players we "supposedly" want) & we (the Texans) have no clue what anyone else is going to do in the draft.
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Do we have examples of the Texans having no clue what everyone else is going to do?
 
sandman said:
"we" as in fans or "we" as in Bob/Rick/OB?

And isn't getting jumped something that happens to everyone in the draft at one point or another?
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Yep, every trade up in the draft jumps someone, but it doesn't always mean it steals a player the team being jumped was going to select.

Makes for a good argument though (in some folks mind), as the chances of ever being proved wrong are essentially zero.
 
Texian said:
I think the Texans would've had a better QB than Hoyer.
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Someone like....Buttfumble? :joker:

"Better QB than Hoyer" is a very low standard.

speedfreek said:
BoB better perform in year 3.

His first two years were not impressive to me.
I think any "average" coach could have accomplished
the same thing with our roster.

Getting curb stomped twice by 40 at the half last year,
and also being completely uncompetitive in our playoff game
is indicative of a coaching staff that is not making the most of
our talent pool.

IMO, we don't get to the playoffs this year and BoB needs to go.
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So why didn't above "average" Kubiak do better in 2014 with almost the same roster? [Rhetorical question, I know the fanboy excuses already.]

Yeah, the team was curb stomped twice by 40 at halftimes last year, and most fans (including myself) wrote off the season at that point.

Funny thing happened. though. In spite of those losses, the team never quit on O'Brien, and they ended up posting a winning record. It's fine to criticize a coach. But, it is dishonest to act like there is nothing worth praising, all things considered.

It's a results driven business. People are delusional to think the past two years of results are worth firing the head coach.
 
steelbtexan said:
4 HOF qb's
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What do those HOF quarterbacks say about him? And I'm sure you're not really using 'the 60 year old guy wearing a Manning jersey' in that mix, though I guess even being injured and couldn't throw the football anymore was a step up from the guy we signed.
 
Scooter said:
4 Rings and reigning champ.
vs
0-30 against the Chiefs.

Do I need to add an 'LOL' or emphasize something to make it more dramatic?
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All that Kubiak badassedness and he could only muster a 61–64 regular season record and a 2–2 playoff record in his 8 year Texans career.

Fortunately for him in Denver, Elway had already made the cake. Kubiak just had to put it in the oven. (To borrow a Warren Sapp quote about Jon Gruden ;) ).

But if we are really honest about Denver's 2015 season, Wade had more to do with the championship with his defense than Kubiak. Trent Dilfer could have won a ring with that defense.
 
Texian said:
This is one area that I think separates Kubiak from O'Brien, there are those who can go out and make something happen like Kubiak did with Schaub and then there are those who sit back and take what's available or given to them like O'Brien did with Fitz and Hoyer. O'Brien's effort to make something happen was trading for Mallett. That said Kubiak was absolutely horrifically horrible when it came to hiring his coaches. He basically threw any Commitment to Excellence right out the window. Imagine how bad things would've been if Alex Gibbs had not picked up the phone and said he wanted to be the OL running game coach for the Texans. In all likelihood Kubiak would probably have been fired much sooner than he was if Alex had not called.
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Kubiak "made something happen" by trading for Schaub the exact same ******* way OB did in signing Oz. I think I'm starting to hate Kubiak homers even more than the old Schaub and Carr homers. Dumb take
 
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Double Barrel said:
All that Kubiak badassedness and he could only muster a 61–64 regular season record and a 2–2 playoff record in his 8 year Texans career.

Fortunately for him in Denver, Elway had already made the cake. Kubiak just had to put it in the oven. (To borrow a Warren Sapp quote about Jon Gruden ;) ).

But if we are really honest about Denver's 2015 season, Wade had more to do with the championship with his defense than Kubiak. Trent Dilfer could have won a ring with that defense.
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I'm still not sure how anything is being argued against Kubiak and the entire coaching staff we used to have winning a SuperbOwl. Our former staff, moved as almost an entire unit, and won a Superbowl ... so, who should you really be arguing against if the coaching staff has proven themselves capable? Kubiak built a decent cake here too, and McNair threw it against a wall to the tune of 2-14.
 
Scooter said:
4 Rings and reigning champ.
vs
0-30 against the Chiefs.

Do I need to add an 'LOL' or emphasize something to make it more dramatic?
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Lol. Lol. Lol. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you REALLY giving Kubiak credit for 4 total rings? As if he was the brains behind Steve Young and John Elway? And sure, George Seifert and Mike Shanahan had NOTHING to do with those wins. Wow...
 
Say Watt said:
Lol. Lol. Lol. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you REALLY giving Kubiak credit for 4 total rings? As if he was the brains behind Steve Young and John Elway? And sure, George Seifert and Mike Shanahan had NOTHING to do with those wins. Wow...
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Nobody ever gets all the credit for a SB win. But Kubiak has played a key role in 4 SB wins.

PS - while you may find it funny Young and Elway have both acknowledged his key role in their wins.
 
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Scooter said:
I'm still not sure how anything is being argued against Kubiak and the entire coaching staff we used to have winning a SuperbOwl. Our former staff, moved as almost an entire unit, and won a Superbowl ... so, who should you really be arguing against if the coaching staff has proven themselves capable? Kubiak built a decent cake here too, and McNair threw it against a wall to the tune of 2-14.
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For whatever reason, the team that Kubiak built QUIT on Kubiak. That's a fact. When that happens, there's simply no saving the coach, because you can't fire all the players.

Look, Kubiak's a good guy. If it wasn't for the ignorant and annoying Kubiak homers on this board, I'd actually be really happy for him he won a Super Bowl. But I'm also not deliberately obtuse enough to fail to recognize the PERFECT situation Kubiak walked into. Wade also has a proven history of making his defense in his first year one of the best defenses in the league. Given that the Broncos D was still dominant the prior season, this was as perfect a situation for Wade as he could ask for.

Hop off his nuts dude. The Kubiak I know doesn't swing that way.
 
Scooter said:
I want you to actually type out the rosters. 2005 through 2010. The full 53 would be preferable, but I'll take the starting 22. Bonus points for their injury, dead money and retirement status from the end of the 2005 season. Do that and then I will respect your opinion regarding Kubiak. Until then, all I hear is 'waaahhh 2-14 without perspective'. You'd probably have greater appreciation for having to spend 3 years dumping David Carr, Jay Foreman, Ahman Green, and the rest if you actually typed those names out ... instead of just reminiscing about how we should've magically gone from Casserly expansion failure to 'why did it take Kubiak so long?'.
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When are you going to move on and get over the Kubiak failed regime here? Is it ever going to happen? You spent all year bitching last season in here and we made the playoffs and you still weren't happy. Kubiak made the playoffs here after 6 years finally, and you acted like we won the damn SB when his offense stunk that year. Basically all of Kubiak's success as a HC has mainly came off the heals of Wade Phillips and the dominance of his defense.

You can sit here and ask me to waste my time by typing out rosters all you want, but that is nothing but an attempt to deviate from the point. If you felt that Kubiak's roster was so great that OB inherited, then why in the hell did the team tank so badly? Are you so fragile that you can't make yourself understand that it falls on the HC when that happens. The team didn't just get worse. They were the worst team in the entire league. When a coach loses his roster, they get FIRED. Your hypocricy since he was fired is not only hilarious to listen to because you're so fragile about it, but it is obvious that it still haunts you very deeply.

You've been gone for a while. I'm guessing you've been spending most of your time on the Denver boards now where you belong.
 
infantrycak said:
Nobody ever gets all the credit for a SB win. But Kubiak has played a key role in 4 SB wins.

PS - while you may find it funny Young and Elway have both acknowledged his key role in their wins.
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I'm not saying he had no role. But to place that on Kubiak as some badge of honor indicating he's a phenomenal head coach that should have never been fired is pretty dumb.

Kubiak is the luckiest SOB on the planet. He's waltzed into some absolutely perfect situations for that. By all accounts, he's a good man and deserves the success. But I'm not going to pretend he's the reason John Elway, Steve Young, and Peyton Manning have Super Bowl rings.
 
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