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O'Brien You need to deliver... yesterday.

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76Texan

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It's just unfathomable how the Texans fans have been giving O'Brien a pass.
(OK, I'm stirring up the pot again)

But really, why has this board been so quiet; the quietest I've noticed for a very long time.
Apathy? What?

I'm freaking tired of waiting and hoping.
The main core of players get paid millions of dollars; why should I give them time when they are veterans?

The players were the ones who wanted more pay for performance.
To ask us to be patient is ridiculous.
 
I'm with you. I think O'b has seriously underperformed.

However, the biggest hold back has been QB. While I don't agree with the ones he picked I do agree with the ones he passed on (except McCarron & Cook). But those may not have been his decisions.
 
Besides, OB made the playoffs his second season. Gary Kubiak wouldn't have been able to pull off what OB did last season with our roster situation.


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Lucky said:
Isn't this thread more appropriate during a regular season where the Texans are sub .500?
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You know these doom and gloom guys we have on this board. Calling for OB's head before the season even gets under way. Not good fellas. O'brien has had 2 winning seasons with sub parr quarterback play. Last season he got our Texans to the play offs. He has a winning record as the Texans head coach, an 18-14 record, and you're already calling for his head. You guys really need to get it together. These threads are ridiculous.
 
JamTex said:
You know these doom and gloom guys we have on this board. Calling for OB's head before the season even gets under way. Not good fellas. O'brien has had 2 winning seasons with sub parr quarterback play. Last season he got our Texans to the play offs. He has a winning record as the Texans head coach, an 18-14 record, and you're already calling for his head. You guys really need to get it together. These threads are ridiculous.
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Wait until the dumpster fire thread......
 
76Texan said:
I leave the content blank for now.

It's just unfathomable how the Texans fans have been giving O'Brien a pass.
(OK, I'm stirring up the pot again)

But really, why has this board been so quiet; the quietest I've noticed for a very long time.
Apathy? What?

I'm freaking tired of waiting and hoping.
The main core of players get paid millions of dollars; why should I give them time when they are veterans?

The players were the ones who wanted more pay for performance.
To ask us to be patient is ridiculous.
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Hmm...haven't given the man a pass at all...as you'll see in my response below.
We've turned over WR1, QB (multiple times), RB, and half the O-line. Not sure which part is this "core" you speak of.


JamTex said:
You know these doom and gloom guys we have on this board. Calling for OB's head before the season even gets under way. Not good fellas. O'brien has had 2 winning seasons with sub parr quarterback play. Last season he got our Texans to the play offs. He has a winning record as the Texans head coach, an 18-14 record, and you're already calling for his head. You guys really need to get it together. These threads are ridiculous.
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Explain how the subpar QB play isn't HIS fault? The Hoyer/Mallett extravaganza is entirely his doing. When you fail with your own hand-picked guys, it's on you.

For the record - We limped into the playoffs last year and had our a**es handed to us in the 1st round at home. Not exactly the break-out performance I'd be pointing to.

I'm realistic as to what will happen if we're beset by injuries early and often this year (hope folks are prepared for no Watt until game 3-4) . OB will get a pass and McNair will attribute it solely to bad luck. The earliest we'd be getting a new coach is the 2018-2019 season.
 
76Texan said:
I leave the content blank for now.

It's just unfathomable how the Texans fans have been giving O'Brien a pass.
(OK, I'm stirring up the pot again)

The Kool Aid drinkers are going to do that regardless, they're eternal optimists.

But really, why has this board been so quiet; the quietest I've noticed for a very long time.
Apathy? What?

I'm freaking tired of waiting and hoping.
The main core of players get paid millions of dollars; why should I give them time when they are veterans?

The players were the ones who wanted more pay for performance.
To ask us to be patient is ridiculous.
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Yes there have been some bone head moves that have received a pass. First thing was cutting Owens and Manning in 2014 which forfeited two 2016 comp picks (then used Owens$ to resign Graham and they resigned Manning not long after he was cut. And of course giving up 3 draft picks to move up to draft Louis Nix are just few examples of bone head passes given.
 
Mama wants to know, what was coach supposed to do with those sorry fooseball quarterbacks he was given? 9-7 is pretty good if you ask Mama.
 
disaacks3 said:
Hmm...haven't given the man a pass at all...as you'll see in my response below.
We've turned over WR1, QB (multiple times), RB, and half the O-line. Not sure which part is this "core" you speak of.


Explain how the subpar QB play isn't HIS fault? The Hoyer/Mallett extravaganza is entirely his doing. When you fail with your own hand-picked guys, it's on you.

For the record - We limped into the playoffs last year and had our a**es handed to us in the 1st round at home. Not exactly the break-out performance I'd be pointing to.

I'm realistic as to what will happen if we're beset by injuries early and often this year (hope folks are prepared for no Watt until game 3-4) . OB will get a pass and McNair will attribute it solely to bad luck. The earliest we'd be getting a new coach is the 2018-2019 season.
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Hoyer and Mallet were the best we had going into the season.
More than half of Houston thought Mallet would be our man.
Who would you had playing QB.last year?
 
76Texan said:
But really, why has this board been so quiet; the quietest I've noticed for a very long time.
Apathy? What?
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Apathy describes me pretty well. My interest going into the season is sadly at an all time low. Usually I'd be at least keeping up with camp and getting ready for preseason games. Instead I didn't even know when the first game was until the day before and turned town tonight's ticket, and I rarely post in this section unless I'm too drunk at 5am to do anything else.
 
corytx8 said:
Come on man, that Denver roster was already set up to win it all.


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That's only true for the Defense. The Offense was not that great. Manning was past his prime physically, the O-line was in shambles, their best TE was an aging OD, and their RB's were just OK.
 
bobbyboucherjr said:
Mama wants to know, what was coach supposed to do with those sorry fooseball quarterbacks he was given? 9-7 is pretty good if you ask Mama.
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This would be true except he went out and got Hoyer himself. Now I'm no owner, but if I was I would have fired him on the spot for that.

:fingergun:
 
mmwest63 said:
Hoyer and Mallet were the best we had going into the season.
More than half of Houston thought Mallet would be our man.
Who would you had playing QB.last year?
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It's immaterial who I would have had. O'Brien CHOSE Hoyer and Mallett. It's not like they were random or the only possible free agent QBs we could get.

Don't forget we traded Fitz for a conditional 7th-rounder either.
 
disaacks3 said:
It's immaterial who I would have had. O'Brien CHOSE Hoyer and Mallett. It's not like they were random or the only possible free agent QBs we could get.

Don't forget we traded Fitz for a conditional 7th-rounder either.
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And to go one step further, his handling of those two last season was atrocious.

I want to start a lot stronger this year.

Going to be hard to do with brand new offensive guys and no Watt though.
 
Scooter said:
Apathy describes me pretty well. My interest going into the season is sadly at an all time low. Usually I'd be at least keeping up with camp and getting ready for preseason games. Instead I didn't even know when the first game was until the day before and turned town tonight's ticket, and I rarely post in this section unless I'm too drunk at 5am to do anything else.
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Apathy describes my level of interest perfectly. I'm giving away this weeks tickets to kids that have never seen an NFL game before.

The Rick Smith extension is the direct result of me feeling this way. The more things change on Kirby the more they remain the same. I sure hope McNair gets lucky and Os is the guy we all hope he is, but McNair used a dart board/blindfold method to find his new starting QB.

The Casserly experience stained McNair beyond repair.
 
I have no problem with O'Brien. He seems to hire good coaches, the players believe in him, he knows when to cut bait, and hasn't made any brutal decisions.

I think Texian's comments about cutting Manning and Daniels are valid, but I would put that on Rick Smith.

If Bortles or Bridgewater turn out to be consistent top 10 quarterbacks, I'll be more critical.
 
disaacks3 said:
It's immaterial who I would have had. O'Brien CHOSE Hoyer and Mallett. It's not like they were random or the only possible free agent QBs we could get.

Don't forget we traded Fitz for a conditional 7th-rounder either.
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Yes he CHOSE Hoyer and Mallett after he had actually spent time with them and coached them before any of them made it to Houston.
 
76Texan said:
I leave the content blank for now.

It's just unfathomable how the Texans fans have been giving O'Brien a pass.
(OK, I'm stirring up the pot again)

But really, why has this board been so quiet; the quietest I've noticed for a very long time.
Apathy? What?

I'm freaking tired of waiting and hoping.
The main core of players get paid millions of dollars; why should I give them time when they are veterans?

The players were the ones who wanted more pay for performance.
To ask us to be patient is ridiculous.
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Because BOB was given a 2-14 team with a crappy owner/GM. This is why I'm willing to give BOB more time. I mean hell this MB gave the Smith/Kubiak crapfest a break for almost a decade, I think giving BOB another yr or two after making the playoffs with Brian Freaking Hoyer at QB was a miracle in itself.
 
Texian said:
Yes he CHOSE Hoyer and Mallett after he had actually spent time with them and coached them before any of them made it to Houston.
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Who the hell did he actually have to choose from?

McNair shoved Clowney down his throat so Bortles was out of the question.

Now McNair has shoved Os down BOB's throat. Lets hope McNair gets lucky.
 
disaacks3 said:
It's immaterial who I would have had. O'Brien CHOSE Hoyer and Mallett. It's not like they were random or the only possible free agent QBs we could get.

Don't forget we traded Fitz for a conditional 7th-rounder either.
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I know I know !! I just don't believe there was anything out there to choose from. Even being a Monday morning QB there's still no one we could've got......atleast I can't think of anyone.
 
disaacks3 said:
It's immaterial who I would have had. O'Brien CHOSE Hoyer and Mallett. It's not like they were random or the only possible free agent QBs we could get.

Don't forget we traded Fitz for a conditional 7th-rounder either.
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I know I know !! I just don't believe there was anything out there to choose from. Even being a Monday morning QB there's still no one we could've got......atleast I can't think of anyone.
 
steelbtexan said:
Who the hell did he actually have to choose from?

McNair shoved Clowney down his throat so Bortles was out of the question.

Now McNair has shoved Os down BOB's throat. Lets hope McNair gets lucky.
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At that time McNair also thought that Case Keenum would be their QB of the future. McNair forced Keenum on O'Brien like he did with Carr on Kubiak.
 
steelbtexan said:
Apathy describes my level of interest perfectly. I'm giving away this weeks tickets to kids that have never seen an NFL game before.

The Rick Smith extension is the direct result of me feeling this way. The more things change on Kirby the more they remain the same. I sure hope McNair gets lucky and Os is the guy we all hope he is, but McNair used a dart board/blindfold method to find his new starting QB.

The Casserly experience stained McNair beyond repair.
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McNair must be the luckiest SOB alive, because his blindfolded dart throw landed on the QB that John Elway wanted for his SB champion team...
 
sandman said:
McNair must be the luckiest SOB alive, because his blindfolded dart throw landed on the QB that John Elway wanted for his SB champion team...
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Makes me laugh every time Elway cusses Oz!

Starting ButtFumble!

Too funny
 
I am in wait and see mode. Depending on how Brock does. This should be a make or break season ,but i could see McNair give Bob another year to get his system in place with the new QB.


It's what McNair does
 
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This is the way I see it. O'brien is keeping his offense under wraps. He's hiding what he has. He didn't call or allow any deep passes against the 49er's last week. He's not displaying the speed of this brand new offensive unit. I think he'll open it up just a little in front of the home crowd this week just to get the fans behind him, but he will keep it under close wraps. He doesn't want to put tape out there for the regular season opponents to have.
He also is giving Osweiller time to get acclimated to this new offense. It takes time to develop a scheme, chemistry and get players used to something they are unfamiliar with. Once the speed is unleashed, we'll see something different then we've ever seen before in a Texans uniform. An almost unstoppable Texans offense combined with a devastating defense. Expect allot of play action, roll outs, bootlegs and deep passes to the play makers once it really starts rolling. The running game the Texans will posses will open up the whole offense, spread defenses very thin and create big play opportunities. O'brien is good at game planning with the talent he has and using every player for what he's worth. He uses their weaknesses and strengths to get ready for games. We saw that last year with both Yates and Weeden. He is also good at game planning to attack the weakness of the other team on both sides of the ball.
Don't count O'brien out yet. Give his vision time to develop and come to fruition. This is just the second preseason game. Not even close to time for calling for his head yet.
 
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76Texan said:
I leave the content blank for now.

It's just unfathomable how the Texans fans have been giving O'Brien a pass.
(OK, I'm stirring up the pot again)

But really, why has this board been so quiet; the quietest I've noticed for a very long time.
Apathy? What?

I'm freaking tired of waiting and hoping.
The main core of players get paid millions of dollars; why should I give them time when they are veterans?

The players were the ones who wanted more pay for performance.
To ask us to be patient is ridiculous.
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O'Brien took over a 2-14 team and posted back-to-back 9-7 seasons with 7 backup QBs.

Obviously, he should be fired. [/sarcasm]

No amount of bitching, moaning, complaining, and/or whining by a fanbase changes a damn thing on the field. After 50 years on this planet and suffering through 50 years of Houston pro football, the one thing that I have learned is we are truly spectators in this thing. You either learn that basic fact and enjoy it for the ENTERTAINMENT that it is at the end of the day, or live a miserable existence living vicariously through someone else's lives.

santo said:
This would be true except he went out and got Hoyer himself. Now I'm no owner, but if I was I would have fired him on the spot for that.

:fingergun:
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This is true. He also cut his ass after one season when the QB was clearly not the guy. Compare that to Kubiak who was part of giving gimpy Schaub a contract extension after never doing much of anything but pad a bunch of stats for several years.
 
76Texan said:
It's just unfathomable how the Texans fans have been giving O'Brien a pass.
(OK, I'm stirring up the pot again)
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Given a pass... hmmm , tell me again how what you or I say on this MB affects what happens on Kirby? There seems to me that there is a lot of apprehension, doubt and question of how this season will go (at least with me) and O'Brien is a big part of that. However I, and many others tend to look at what may be with a positive outlook instead of the negative slant you are tending to do. Whatever floats your boat but don't degrade me or others for being positive because you are negative nancy.
 
bobbyboucherjr said:
Mama wants to know, what was coach supposed to do with those sorry fooseball quarterbacks he was given? 9-7 is pretty good if you ask Mama.
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Mr. Coach O'brien thinks no QB is the debil . He's looking for Brock to rain little rays of sunshine all over the scoreboard while Meany gets healthy and leads the defense again .
 
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Haha, I used to be pumping.

But I decided to get off the train wreck.

Everybody can make their own choice.
I'm not stopping anybody.
I remember people getting on Kubiak (even before the 2-14 season) and Rick Smith's cases all the time, even in the off-season.
Fine with me. I have no problem with that.

Right now, I'm getting my entertainment the way I choose. I'm having fun.
Thank you very much. ;)
 
Texian said:
O'Brien has FINAL say on the 53 man roster.
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Right, but cap and draft pick considerations are still Smith's responsibility. As we saw on hard knocks, it's still a partnership.

I have a hard time believing O'Brien would have still cut them with that timing if it were communicated effectively.
 
noxiousdog said:
Right, but cap and draft pick considerations are still Smith's responsibility. As we saw on hard knocks, it's still a partnership.

I have a hard time believing O'Brien would have still cut them with that timing if it were communicated effectively.
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I agree with you somewhat in that Smith sets and operates the draft from a standpoint of Romeo Crennel convincing O'Brien that Louis Nix is a must. So O'Brien tells Rick to draft Nix with their next pick. Rick says we will need to trade up to make that happen. And O'Brien says, Make it happen Rick.

Daniels was in the last year of his contract. After cutting him they used that money saved for an early extension for Garret Graham. There was no cap savings. Where is Graham today?
 
Texian said:
I agree with you somewhat in that Smith sets and operates the draft from a standpoint of Romeo Crennel convincing O'Brien that Louis Nix is a must. So O'Brien tells Rick to draft Nix with their next pick. Rick says we will need to trade up to make that happen. And O'Brien says, Make it happen Rick.

Daniels was in the last year of his contract. After cutting him they used that money saved for an early extension for Garret Graham. There was no cap savings. Where is Graham today?
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Um. Ok?

Was there a point in there I missed?
 
76Texan said:
I leave the content blank for now.

It's just unfathomable how the Texans fans have been giving O'Brien a pass.
(OK, I'm stirring up the pot again)

But really, why has this board been so quiet; the quietest I've noticed for a very long time.
Apathy? What?

I'm freaking tired of waiting and hoping.
The main core of players get paid millions of dollars; why should I give them time when they are veterans?

The players were the ones who wanted more pay for performance.
To ask us to be patient is ridiculous.
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Giving him a pass on what?

Unless you want to ***** about OB not forcing a gun to Mcnair's head to take Bortles over the sack of **** draft pick in Clowney which would have changed the course of the last two seasons quite a bit, then I'm not sure what the hell your specific complaint is about with OB. He got back to back 9-7 seasons which is pretty good considering the fact that he had no QB here when he arrived. Maybe he wanted Bortles maybe he didn't. My guess is he didn't, but we basically drafted Jamarcus Russell on defense. OB's selection of veteran QB's hasn't been great either, but neither have the candidates available been either. Plus, that is the GM's job to acquire players anyhow. The coach has to coach what he has and what he can get. I think he has done pretty well in his first two years with all things considered. He's got his QB now, and a bunch of weapons. OB will have no excuse for a lackluster offense after about week 6 this year.

I've got news for you. The offense will struggle out the gait. A very complex system with a new QB learning it with a bunch of new receivers learning it as well. There will be growing pains with the new pieces on offense. Go ahead and plan for that.
 
thunderkyss said:
What's our roster situation? Gary Kubiak just won the SuperbOwl his first year as Denver's head coach.
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What a terrible example. You mean the team that was in the SB two years prior to him landing there? The same team that hadn't been lower than the 2nd round of the playoffs the previous 3 years and had won the entire AFC two years before that and the year before that were runner up to the Patriots to win the AFC? Elway had been stacking that team for years. Kubiak basically got a roster that was arguably the best roster of all time on paper. He goes in there and takes an offense that had been in the top 3 the season before, and it becomes a top 5 worst offense of the NFL, and Wade's D pulls a 2001 Ravens SB in the playoffs. If Kubiak gets any props its for staying the hell out of the way last season, and letting Elway's talent do the work without his meddling. Wade and Elway more importantly deserve all the glory for that SB. Elway was relentless in stacking that team with superstar talent on both sides of the ball, and with Kubiak they were still only a defensive team.

None of which has anything to do with OB and how his players played here though. OB pretty much met the expectations that were set for him last season. He didn't do better, he didn't do worse.
 
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