leebigeztx
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I'm talking about Stroud, not Bryce
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Bryce Young vs CJ Stroud
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Adding true difference making skill position players will open up things for Pierce. Gotta get a new center either in FA or the draft.
Sorry, you already know how I feel about Stroud.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
We won't have enough draft capital to get more than one good receiver so hopefully Cooks stays or we can bring in some decent vets. We need at minimum two strong receiving threats and a good receiving TE.
Nico Collins is almost there, but he doesn't scare the crap out of defenses. Queintin Johnson should and if Cooks stays, that should be enough - especially if Moore can keep up the good work.
That would be a respectable receiving Corp.
I was all for Quinton Johnson at #12, but the more I watch and read, the less certain I am that there is a huge difference between he and Nico - who seems to be steadily, if somewhat slowly improving.
Get the fastest wr in the draft at 1-12 and the fastest RB that can also play some wr in the late 2nd early 3rd. Trade Cooks and 4-103 to move up into the late 2nd.
Cooks is gone, but there should be decent options on the FA market. Jakobi Meyers would be a reliable target for a young QB. Kenny Golladay and Allen Robinson will be released, and looking for a second chance.
I don't know what you're watching, but Johnston absolutely fits the profile (size, speed. RAC) NFL teams are looking for at WR. Metcalf, AJ Brown, Deebo Samuel. He may go before #12.
Collins looks the part, but he doesn't get separation, doesn't offer much RAC, doesn't get deep. Collins has good hands, but is little more than a big possession receiver. If he doesn't get better in year 3, you have to look to replace him.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Agree with both comments.
A reliable fa is likely.
Nico is a fairly reliable possession receiver but like I said in another post, he doesn't scare defenses.
There is always the possibility we take two WRs from this draft - QJ at #12 and a guy like Jalin Hyatt, Rashee Rice, Cedric Tillman or Marvin Mims.
Those are all very different receivers.
Gotta add speed to the offense to spread out the defense and give Pierce room to roam.
Y'all already know my thoughts on how to accomplish this. Maybe even trade down a few spots and draft Hyatt. This gets you more draft capital.
Y'all already know my thoughts on how to accomplish this. Maybe even trade down a few spots and draft Hyatt. This gets you more draft capital.
What do you think of Mins?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I know.
Tillman is 6'3" with a huge windspan and a nice red zone threat while the other guys are speedy smaller guys.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Am I the only guy that has any hope for Metchie, sounds like he is coming along well and could be a nice receiver. Still all in on a WR at 12 if QJ is there
Metchie will be there. Counting on him? No, not counting on him. Metchie would be a happy bonus.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I certainly hope the young man has a complete recovery and remission but I don't think it is wise to rely on him.
If he does come back, he will take time to get back into football shape. If he does he is a good receiver fer sure.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
My approach to rebuilding the receiving room:
Draft Quentin Johnston and Jalin Hyatt. This definitely improves the group and overall speed. Another possibility I would explore…..I’d check in with the Jets on their desire to move Denzel Mims. Whatever it is, it didn’t work out for Mims or the Jets. Also, the Jets got their speed receivers so maybe a big possession receiver wouldn’t be a bad idea. Caserio offers Nico Collins straight up for Denzel Mims.
Give me a new receiving room with Johnston, Mims, Hyatt, and Metchie…..I do believe the Texans would finally have a receiving group that could make defense's honest b/c there could be up to 4 receivers on the field that would be able to take the top off the defense.
Draft Quentin Johnston and Jalin Hyatt. This definitely improves the group and overall speed. Another possibility I would explore…..I’d check in with the Jets on their desire to move Denzel Mims. Whatever it is, it didn’t work out for Mims or the Jets. Also, the Jets got their speed receivers so maybe a big possession receiver wouldn’t be a bad idea. Caserio offers Nico Collins straight up for Denzel Mims.
Give me a new receiving room with Johnston, Mims, Hyatt, and Metchie…..I do believe the Texans would finally have a receiving group that could make defense's honest b/c there could be up to 4 receivers on the field that would be able to take the top off the defense.
Boris
All Pro
I don't disagree with what you say - they are the things I was concerned about. Collins did run a 4.4 amd they are both 6'4" 215. I haven't been wowed by Collins at all .... but he seems to be slowly improving. Maybe a new coach would light a fire under him, or put him in better positions .... but he'll never be another Michael Irvin or Andre Johnson .... but there could be a lot more than we're seeing .... I think ! #12 is a valuable pick ! Spitballin, ! If I had more up there, .... I'd call it Brainstorming !
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
He has the happy knack of getting open.
That's why this is such an important year for Collins. The new staff doesn't have anything invested in him. If Nico doesn't play to his potential, they will look to replace him.
I didn't see anyone try to get their hands on Metchie at the LOS. He was able to shake and bake those college CBs. The NFL corners will be able to redirect. That's why Metchie is strictly a slot WR who needs to be put in motion prior to the snap.
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I have a lot of time for Mims. I think he gets lost a bit in draft talk because he isn’t big and he isn’t WOW fast (like Hyatt, for example). 4th round type of guy, maybe.
He's going to be a great value for some team.
I see him as a slot who can play outside and has a lot of value in the KR/PR game.
Perfect fit for a team like the Chargers. Christian Kirk lite.
I pray that I’m wrong about Bryce Young (because I think it’s a real possibility the Texans will draft him) & that he’s not as small as my lying eyes are telling me. He looks to be of similar build to Jerick McKinnah & Travis Etienne Jr.
Hopefully he’ll weigh in similarly, 209 - 215lbs.
if those guys can play RB at that size (even though Etienne missed most of his rookie season) then it is possible a QB can survive at that size.
fingers crossed. Chicken prepared for voodoo ritual. Collecting horse shoes
Mangler
Toro de España
I’m with you brother. Especially if the Texans do draft the kid.
I would, the Eagles might not trade Hurts for all four of the Texans' 1st round picks in 23-24.
I’m okay with bringing in Kubiak & thinking we’ll be EastDenver. I’d have loved if we could brought in Jake Plummer.
I’m okay bringing in Bill O’Brien, with Wes Welker on the coaching staff & being NewEnglandSouth.
I’m okay with bringing in Nick Caserio, Danny Amendola, & Rex Burkhead & being NewEnglandSouth 2.0
But I’m not giving up a draft pick to be PhillySouth. Nope, not going to happen
leebigeztx
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He can't run though
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I like Mims more than most. 1st thing I look at is ypc. He's a 20ypc guy. That tells me no matter what, he can make big plays down the field. Then when you watch him, regardless of who was playing qb, he made big plays period. Think about it, Caleb Williams was there, he was 20ypc, Rattler was there for 20ypc, and this year the other qb and he was big plays. Addison numbers actually went down playing with Williams while Mims actually went up playing with that qb they had this year. He's going to get behind people in the nfl because that's what he do. He's going to be a steal in the 3rd/4th rd imo.
To me it doesn’t matter so much what he weighs at the combine. Whatever he weighs I want to see the same or more at his pro day. If he’s lighter at his pro day it’s going to keep him low in my rankings
So, Young's ability to play football at a high level doesn't enter your equation?
I was commenting on his weight. Several other factors will determine overall grade. Just like everyone else does it.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
He's got it between the ears, and he's got the physical abilities, but his stature is definitely less than optimal.
You realize that Young has played football since he could walk, right? He played in the SEC. Against large humans. Does that not factor into your opinion?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
The more I think about it, if we do snag DeMeco, he will probably be on board with Young - Purdy is on the short side and Ryan's recognizes it's a team effort - just like at San Francisco, except Young has even more ability and we still have Mills as backup.
It would be wise to bring in a vet to mentor as well.
Number19
Hall of Fame
At the end of October McShay reported that he had spoke to Young and was told that his weight was 196#. Young, at that time, told McShay that his goal was 200+ by the combine and his pro day. I seriously doubt that he was playing with a "fake" weight gain of 10 pounds or a cheeseburger belly. Young is reportedly serious about football. Far more likely his weight gain is a combination of diet and training room.
Terry Bridgewater, at the combine, measured 6'2" and 214#. Take a look at the photo on Wikipedia. Appears he has a small wrist, making him small framed. Scroll down and look at the photo under Carolina Panthers. This photo really shows a small frame.
Some here say height is not so much the issue as is his small frame. I question this issue of his frame being an issue.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
A player gaining weight reminds me of the story of how some questionable cattle men used to fill their cows up with water before weighing them in to get the highest price when selling them. Watered stock is a term that comes from that.
A player is trying to gain weight to move up in the draft to make the most money but may lose that weight soon after.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Up thread at #932 there is a twit that McShay said scouts had told him Young weighed 186 lbs before this season. Further up thread at #847 there is a comment by McShay that Young told him on Oct 22 that he weighed 196 lbs.
So presumably from some point between the end of the 2021 season and the start of the 2022 season, to mid-season 2022, maybe as much as 10 months, he gained 10 pounds.
Does this really appear to be "fake" weight gain meant to improve his draft position? I don't think so!
Why do you or anyone question the possibility of gaining another 4 or 5 or 6 pounds of muscle mass over a 6 month period ( Nov thru April) if one applies himself to a training program?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I am not questioning the possibility.
I am questioning what him gaining weight actually means and if there is any value in it.
Which I personally think there isn’t any. The extra muscle he gains could affect his ability to do the things you say he is so good at.
If this weight is so beneficial than why didn’t he ever try to gain it prior to the draft?
When he does weigh in remember that term: watered stock.
I am curious how he is going to fix his height. Any ideas?
Boris
All Pro
Bridgewater has missed a ton of games - 40 out of 128
- ankle injury
- knee (suffered pre-season, missed the entire year)
- concussions
- broken finger
Height & frame size are both important. Rules have opened up the middle of the field for offenses & any hindrance to seeing over the line down the middle is an issue that needs to be addressed schematically. Is his talent so big that we'd be willing to accept that limitation?
Not for a top 5 pick IMO.
+ Brees and Wilson are thicker built than Teddy & Bryce
Combine is Feb 26th. That's when he'll, in all likelihood, be measured and would need to be targeting to show the league where he's at.
So just one month from now.
It's funny that you say that, because working the middle of the field is considered a strong point for Bryce Young. He just doesn't fit in the boxes people want to put him in.
Boris
All Pro
they drop him back deeper than normal to permit that line of sight
but, i get your point...he's got talent
i'm more concerned by his frame
Number19
Hall of Fame
It is not at all unusual for football players to have a growth spurt during their college years. Sometimes dramatically so.
Recognizing that height is often rounded off, still, Young was listed as 5'11" his senior year of high school and is reported to have grown an inch while at Alabama. So he grew taller and gained weight while in college.
Also, Alabama, I'm sure, has a training room for their players and some level of a weight training program.
In October, Young also told McShay he was 6'0". We'll see at the combine whether this will be plus, or minus, and whether he comes in at 200 lbs or more.
The thing is, most everyone is going on unsubstantiated internet rumor and not on what the young man personally says his height and weight currently is.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
It’s all we got. Don’t judge. It ain’t like we got much else going on around these parts. We have talked everything else to death.
And all the news comes out these days is “nfl source” or “nfl scout” or “nfl executive” who remains anonymous. It’s all for clicks.