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Bryce Young vs CJ Stroud

mussop said:
wait till you see the haul that Chicago is going to get for #1.

theres a “rumor” that Indy is wanting to move up to #1 and is offering multiple draft picks and players and get this, their in love with Will Levis. Maybe the football gods will reward us for doing the right thing and we end up with a QB that actually works out Out of this draft. Will Levi’s be the next Allen? Will Young be the next Brees or even Mahomes? or will Stroud be the next big thing? Honestly I’d be happy with any of them. It’s all a crapshoot anyway. The best case scenario too me is a trade back and still get one of those three.
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I'm with you except I dont like any of the QB's in this draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
Why would any team want to deal with this. Particularly for a good but probably not great IMHO QB.
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Your opinion of Stroud talent level doesn't match others. Unless you have the winning lotto numbers, you're giving strictly an opinion without any fact. You act like only Elway talented qb have led teams to superbowls and won. Stafford won and he hasn't ever won anything. Joe Flacco and Eli were nowhere close to Elway or Peyton. Burrough isn't close to Elway either and he has avg hands and a good arm, not great arm and went to the superbowl with a sorry oline. Your requirements are only for your opinion, they're just not accurate.
 
mussop said:
wait till you see the haul that Chicago is going to get for #1.

theres a “rumor” that Indy is wanting to move up to #1 and is offering multiple draft picks and players and get this, their in love with Will Levis. Maybe the football gods will reward us for doing the right thing and we end up with a QB that actually works out Out of this draft. Will Levi’s be the next Allen? Will Young be the next Brees or even Mahomes? or will Stroud be the next big thing? Honestly I’d be happy with any of them. It’s all a crapshoot anyway. The best case scenario too me is a trade back and still get one of those three.
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Not saying Indy isn't trading up to #1. And not saying Indy doen't have Levis at the top of their list. But Indy is drafting at #4.
 
leebigeztx said:
Your opinion of Stroud talent level doesn't match others. Unless you have the winning lotto numbers, you're giving strictly an opinion without any fact. You act like only Elway talented qb have led teams to superbowls and won. Stafford won and he hasn't ever won anything. Joe Flacco and Eli were nowhere close to Elway or Peyton. Burrough isn't close to Elway either and he has avg hands and a good arm, not great arm and went to the superbowl with a sorry oline. Your requirements are only for your opinion, they're just not accurate.
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I'm acting exactly like Stroud isn't worth the trouble

And his choice of agents tells me he's not a good life decision maker. If Cal decides to get back inbed with the devil then he will get what he deserves and on a side note I cant see me rooting for a future trainwreck. AGAIN
 
So obviously most of y’all know I’m not a talent evaluator of any football position, lol. So I’m just bringing up some stats. If B Young, being obviously not of nfl prototype size, is worthy of top qb chosen. Then damn this little guy must be killing it. Then I look at qbr stats . Thoughts?
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steelbtexan said:
I'm acting exactly like Stroud isn't worth the trouble

And his choice of agents tells me he's not a good life decision maker. If Cal decides to get back inbed with the devil then he will get what he deserves and on a side note I cant see me rooting for a future trainwreck. AGAIN
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Just curious. You support Payton as HC. What if it's Payton who wants Stroud. Should Cal tell Payton, no, I'm calling this shot? This subject just might be discussed in an interview. Would you accept Stroud if it means getting Payton?
 
Number19 said:
Just curious. You support Payton as HC. What if it's Payton who wants Stroud. Should Cal tell Payton, no, I'm calling this shot? This subject just might be discussed in an interview. Would you accept Stroud if it means getting Payton?
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I would give Payton what he wanted and tell him I would hold him personally responsible when this blew up in his face.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would give Payton what he wanted and tell him I would hold him personally responsible when this blew up in his face.
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If it's Payton, I don't think this is too extremely hypothetical. I think it likely Payton will want a QB to develope. We'll have to give up #12 to get Payton, so it has to be #2 for QB.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm acting exactly like Stroud isn't worth the trouble

And his choice of agents tells me he's not a good life decision maker. If Cal decides to get back inbed with the devil then he will get what he deserves and on a side note I cant see me rooting for a future trainwreck. AGAIN
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Not a good decision maker??? The agent is there for the client. The Agent got another client a fully guaranteed 230 million dollar contract. How is that not good decision making by Stroud?
 
Xopher said:
Not a good decision maker??? The agent is there for the client. The Agent got another client a fully guaranteed 230 million dollar contract. How is that not good decision making by Stroud?
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True and Stroud's me over the team type guy. You can't win a championship with your QB's agent.

Why, because of the cap.
 
Lucky said:
Wow, Josh McCown makes for a very good internet scout. He should try to get a QB coach gig, be it in the NFL or college.
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Number19 said:
This is the most in depth that I've seen McCown. I'm impressed.
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Imagine meeting him in person. It may want you to give him a head coaching job in the NFL with no experience…

If you meet him at church and pray with him you may give him your life’s possessions.
 
Only three more months, roughly, April 27th, until day one of the draft and we all know.

Biggest drag of not having #1 selection, is you can’t negotiate contract up front. That’s advantage measuring prospect with his agent (that’s for you SteelbTexan) so yeah, it’s a bit of a gamble, but that’s why Cal & Caserio wear big boy britches.
 
beerlover said:
Everything happens for a reason.
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Or things happen in subsequent conjunction with other things happening and, as humans, we apply reason to the outcomes to make ourselves feel more comfortable about the result..

If the result is we end up with a franchise changing QB I'll feel super comfortable..
 
beerlover said:
Only three more months, roughly, April 27th, until day one of the draft and we all know.

Biggest drag of not having #1 selection, is you can’t negotiate contract up front. That’s advantage measuring prospect with his agent (that’s for you SteelbTexan) so yeah, it’s a bit of a gamble, but that’s why Cal & Caserio wear big boy britches.
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I think, (fear), that we will see if they should be in those big boy pants by then, if not sooner !
 
beerlover said:
Only three more months, roughly, April 27th, until day one of the draft and we all know.

Biggest drag of not having #1 selection, is you can’t negotiate contract up front. That’s advantage measuring prospect with his agent (that’s for you SteelbTexan) so yeah, it’s a bit of a gamble, but that’s why Cal & Caserio wear big boy britches.
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You should take off Saturday April 29th for our crawfish boil. We can sit down and discuss how you think the draft went. There will be other members present.
 
beerlover said:
Only three more months, roughly, April 27th, until day one of the draft and we all know.

Biggest drag of not having #1 selection, is you can’t negotiate contract up front. That’s advantage measuring prospect with his agent (that’s for you SteelbTexan) so yeah, it’s a bit of a gamble, but that’s why Cal & Caserio wear big boy britches.
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I'm not all that upset about having pick 1-2, given the choices of a midget and Goff.
 
Lucky said:
Not that big of a deal, because of the rookie cap. But not having #1 is a drag.
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it’s been awhile, don’t remember much about Clowney (other than I wanted Mack or Donald) but do remember Mario, which to your point mattered for contract reasons back then. Now it’s about getting business done (comfort level, trust, can we work together) totally different times.

Point is, don’t want Texan fans to make draft decisions off conjecture instead of tape, to make sound football decisions instead of arbitrary personal feelings. Easy for some but so damn difficult for others…so much damage done…
 
beerlover said:
I’m not upset because I know how to pick, regardless of draft position, it’s Texans I fear :smiliepalm:
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Yes you do, me too,

I expect more out of 1-2 than Goff and that's who I think Stroud is.

Of course Goff did go 1-1, so there is that.

Who would you compare Stroud too?
 
beerlover said:
it’s been awhile, don’t remember much about Clowney (other than I wanted Mack or Donald) but do remember Mario, which to your point mattered for contract reasons back then. Now it’s about getting business done (comfort level, trust, can we work together) totally different times.

Point is, don’t want Texan fans to make draft decisions off conjecture instead of tape, to make sound football decisions instead of arbitrary personal feelings. Easy for some but so damn difficult for others…so much damage done…
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True, .... but I've got a Magic 8 Ball .... and I know things !
 
beerlover said:
it’s been awhile, don’t remember much about Clowney (other than I wanted Mack or Donald) but do remember Mario, which to your point mattered for contract reasons back then. Now it’s about getting business done (comfort level, trust, can we work together) totally different times.

Point is, don’t want Texan fans to make draft decisions off conjecture instead of tape, to make sound football decisions instead of arbitrary personal feelings. Easy for some but so damn difficult for others…so much damage done…
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If they watch the tape and look at history they should come to the conclusion to pass on a QB in this draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes you do, me too,

I expect more out of 1-2 than Goff and that's who I think Stroud is.

Of course Goff did go 1-1, so there is that.

Who would you compare Stroud too?
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Like to wait until after the Combine to get his measureables. He is silky smooth athletically. NFL arm with soft touch, not a cannon but his deep ball is very accurate. His numbers are down slightly from 2021 season but without as many weapons who moved on to the NFL (Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson and *Jaxon Smith-Njigba - hamstring injury week one *note to all who want to draft him - Red Flag). Still Stroud led nation in pass efficiency rating (177.7) compared to 2nd in 2021 (186.6). Plenty of good tape to evaluate. He reminds me most of Joe Burrow. Ball placement, touch, deep ball and movement skills. Both are pocket passer but have mobility to move out, throw on the run or pick up rushing yards. No known injury red flags I know of but again, have to wait for combine medicals. Little known fact, Joe Burrow signed with Ohio State before transferring to LSU. So there you go, so much for all buckeye QB's wash out, we can lay that to bed. RIP DWAYNE HASKINS
 
zshawn10 said:


This guy at QB School does a great job if you ever want to watch analysis's of QBs
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Will doesn’t really look like he steps into his throws? Seems like he always passes of his back foot or atleast leans back alot, well atleast to me it does. But he sure does have a strong arm though
 
Decim8 said:
Will doesn’t really look like he steps into his throws? Seems like he always passes of his back foot or atleast leans back alot, well atleast to me it does. But he sure does have a strong arm though
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His throwing motion looks eerily similar to Aaron Rodgers. Just fwiw..
 
beerlover said:
Like to wait until after the Combine to get his measureables. He is silky smooth athletically. NFL arm with soft touch, not a cannon but his deep ball is very accurate. His numbers are down slightly from 2021 season but without as many weapons who moved on to the NFL (Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson and *Jaxon Smith-Njigba - hamstring injury week one *note to all who want to draft him - Red Flag). Still Stroud led nation in pass efficiency rating (177.7) compared to 2nd in 2021 (186.6). Plenty of good tape to evaluate. He reminds me most of Joe Burrow. Ball placement, touch, deep ball and movement skills. Both are pocket passer but have mobility to move out, throw on the run or pick up rushing yards. No known injury red flags I know of but again, have to wait for combine medicals. Little known fact, Joe Burrow signed with Ohio State before transferring to LSU. So there you go, so much for all buckeye QB's wash out, we can lay that to bed. RIP DWAYNE HASKINS
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Burrow, he's a QB savant like Burrow is?

If you don't play at Ohio State then you can't be called an Ohio State product. Unless you are trying to find something to try to make the Buckeyes failure to develop a NFL QB nothing more than the pathetic list of failures that it is.
 
steelbtexan said:
Burrow, he's a QB savant like Burrow is?

If you don't play at Ohio State then you can't be called an Ohio State product. Unless you are trying to find something to try to make the Buckeyes failure to develop a NFL QB nothing more than the pathetic list of failures that it is.
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Well you asked
 
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McShay: “Going back to the semifinals, I was so impressed with CJ Stroud. The thing I’ve been looking for and every scout I’ve talked has been looking for is use the mobility you have. Use your feet as a weapon. He didn’t do it for the majority of the last 2 years but did in that game against Georgia. The success he had against Georgia resonated with NFL scouts. It showed a different side from him. That’s only gonna help him.”

Kiper: Bryce Young, the great processor, accuracy throwing the football, that magical way he goes about his business as that true PG, drawing comparisons to Steph Curry. We talk about outliers (Wilson/Murray), we’re not worrying about 5’11. We’re worrying about 180lbs/185lbs, can he hold up physically in the NFL?

Will Levis was banged up just about all year. OL was horrific. RB wasn’t there the first 4 games. WR core lost WanDale Robinson. I think this is what’s gonna happen: the old guard is Will Levis. I’m Will Levis. The analytics, the young guys will be on Bryce Young. I’m gonna wait. I’m waiting this out. Pro Days I’ve always said are a waste of time. I think Bryce’s Pro Day will be important to see what he looks like throwing the football. 5’11, 180lbs, that’s something everyone will have to factor in because we’ve never had a QB this size being talked about as potentially the number one pick.

McShay: I was in Tuscaloosa in October for the game against Mississippi State. He said he’s up to 196 and plans to be over 200 by the Pro Day and Combine. He’s a slender frame guy, I get it. If you’re gonna talk about a negative with Young, it’s his size. Can he hold up in the NFL? I get that but this dude is special. He’s so different than any other QB I’ve seen.

Will Levis, from his character, his toughness, his sturdy build, his mobility, his arm strength, he has everything you look for as an old guard evaluator. As a new guard evaluator, I see Tua (think he meant Bryce?) as the next generation type of guy. He loves the game. He has such passion for it. He’s such a great teammate. He’s intelligent. He processes quickly. The important thing with his game is the ability to feel pressure and know where it comes from and just deal with it. Steph Curry is prefect. I was in the Gameday bus with Kirk Herbstreit and we were talking about he is Steph Curry of college football and will be in the NFL. Throw out the measurables. He’ll find way to avoid contact and always be able to create and make that play that most QBs can’t. That’s why I have Bryce Young number one, Levis number three, Stroud number two and Richardson, the most talented of the group but least prepared of all, at number four.

Pros/Cons of this QB class? Start with Levis. Reasons you should love Levis and causes for concern?

Kiper: Physically, you can draw up a NFL QB. He’s that guy. The size, stature, arm, the way he spins it, can make every throw, the toughness, ability to beat you with his legs, the fact he dealt with adversity. It wasn’t easy with Kentucky. It wasn’t pitch and catch. He didn’t have the elite OL this year. He had it as a junior. 2023 OL was terrible. No WanDale Robinson. No Chris Rodriguez the first 4 games. And he was beat up. How he got on the field, I don’t know. How he finished the year, I don’t know. He was another coach. This guy is passionate about the game. He loves the game. Now you talk turnovers. We heard that about other QBs along the way. Once in the NFL, they’ll turn it over. You gotta try to make a play. Your Kentucky. You’re trying to make plays. Bottom line, you gotta get your team down the field and get touchdowns. The thing that impressed me, there was one play against Mississippi State, pick six. Next drive, Levis comes right out, Ernie Accorsi always said great QBs have a short memory. How did he react? Seconds later, right down the field. Great QBs have that element. Will Levis had that. I think it’s he or Bryce Young for me. I have not made that final call. What will Bryce be when the season begins and can he maintain that weight? And the arm strength. He doesn’t have that howitzer. He doesn’t have the tremendous, explosive speed but he does have everything else. Bryce Young & Will Levis are battling it out to be the first pick in the draft.

McShay:With Levis, the one thing that concerns me, he plays QB like a LB. The one thing is does he see the whole field? There are a lot of plays on tape where you see his head dip down when pressure is coming. It’s great to have mobility, you need it in today’s NFL but if you’re not feeling pressure and you’re not comfortable sliding if pressure is coming from the inside or climbing when the pressure is coming from the outside, the mobility gets erased a little bit. That concerns me. Every scout I’ve talked to on the road, I did 2 games live with him, every scout is saying does he see it? Does he see the whole field? I don’t want to make it a thing where I don’t like Levis. I love him. Has the character, toughness, wants to be in every play, every game. I talked to one GM who said I see a lot of Josh Allen in him. 5 days later, I talk to another GM who said I’m worried we’re getting Carson Wentz. The turnovers because he doesn’t see the whole field and because he plays QB like a LB, will he stay healthy? Anthony Richardson is the most polarizing QB in this class but the 2nd most polarizing player is Will Levis.
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steelbtexan said:
Lol
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He has a chance to be special. That’s all you can ask, nice consolation prize if you ask me, which you did. Try to be impartial as I can, even though not in typical Texan wheelhouse, same with Ahmad “Sauce” Gardner, which is probably most likely reason Brugler mocked Levis #2 to Texans.


Obviously, this selection will be heavily influenced by the Texans’ new hire at head coach. It wouldn’t be a surprise, however, if Houston’s key decision-makers wind up with Will Levis atop their draft board. The Kentucky passer is built for the NFL game and checks numerous boxes with his size, mobility, arm strength, intelligence and competitive toughness.

Levis didn’t have the senior season many expected, with a new play caller and a subpar supporting cast compared to the previous year. Some evaluators will say those are excuses; others see it more as an explanation. Regardless, the traits — both physical and mental — are impressive and will lead several NFL teams to believe he is QB1 in this class.
 
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beerlover said:
He has a chance to be special. That’s all you can ask, nice consolation prize if you ask me, which you did. Try to be impartial as I can, even though not in typical Texan wheelhouse, same with Ahmad “Sauce” Gardner,
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Levis has a chance to be special too. That doesn't mean I want Caserio to draft him
 
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