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Bryce Young vs CJ Stroud

leebigeztx said:
Please explain
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We've been through this 1000 times.

No QB since the cap was implemented in 1994 has won a championship when taking up more than 15% of the cap.

Stroud is going to want a new deal after 3 yrs. That shortens the window to win a championship.
 
steelbtexan said:
We've been through this 1000 times.

No QB since the cap was implemented in 1994 has won a championship when taking up more than 15% of the cap.

Stroud is going to want a new deal after 3 yrs. That shortens the window to win a championship.
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So tell me the solution of not drafting or having a franchise level qb. You were at 13.5, now you're at 15. Whats the next bar to change?
 
steelbtexan said:
What's the name of the thread.

I like Levis tools, but he's got to learn how to get through his progressions and improve taking care of the ball.

Pass at 1-2.
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What is the % at other positions that restrict a team from winning the sb? What about lt,de,cb, etc..?
 
leebigeztx said:
So tell me the solution of not drafting or having a franchise level qb. You were at 13.5, now you're at 15. Whats the next bar to change?
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My point stands, usually you only have 2-3 of yrs of the 2nd contract of a QB's career to win a championship. Stroud's agent is shortening that time frame. I'm going on record that none of his QB's will win championships because of this. But hey, they do get paid and if that's their goal then more power to them. But that means I dont want them to be the QB of the franchise I root for.

The GOAT is the only guy to beat the 13.5% baseline, so there's that and he only took up 15% of the cap.
 
leebigeztx said:
What is the % at other positions that restrict a team from winning the sb? What about lt,de,cb, etc..?
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When the QB takes up too much cap space they dont have the ability to put teams around the QB. Look at this year, Rodgers/Wilson/Kyler etc.. are sitting at home because of this. But hey they got paid.

The QB because he's the highest paid player on the team is the baseline for this. You dont see a trend?
 
steelbtexan said:
When the QB takes up too much cap space they dont have the ability to put teams around the QB. Look at this year, Rodgers/Wilson/Kyler etc.. are sitting at home because of this. But hey they got paid.

The QB because he's the highest paid player on the team is the baseline for this. You dont see a trend?
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Tell me how Allen and Mahomes agent short circuited their ability to win a championship. See, my disagreement in this entire 13.5% is its not the 13.5 glass ceiling you try to place on the situation, its the ignoring the fact that a championship game or superbowl appearence has 0 to do with the percentage. Manning didn't lose to the Seagawks because he was taking up 13.5 of the cap. Matt Ryan losing a 28-3 lead had nothing to do with the % either. Rodgers losing in the championship game to go to the superbowl had nothing to do with his cap number either. It was more about coaching and execution vs 13.5 %. We will never agree because we can find any position and see what their cap percent was and make a byline and say x is taking up this % of cap. I'm back out the rabbit hole.
 
leebigeztx said:
Tell me how Allen and Mahomes agent short circuited their ability to win a championship. See, my disagreement in this entire 13.5% is its not the 13.5 glass ceiling you try to place on the situation, its the ignoring the fact that a championship game or superbowl appearence has 0 to do with the percentage. Manning didn't lose to the Seagawks because he was taking up 13.5 of the cap. Matt Ryan losing a 28-3 lead had nothing to do with the % either. Rodgers losing in the championship game to go to the superbowl had nothing to do with his cap number either. It was more about coaching and execution vs 13.5 %. We will never agree because we can find any position and see what their cap percent was and make a byline and say x is taking up this % of cap. I'm back out the rabbit hole.
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How many championships have they won since they went over 15%?

This yr I think is going to finally be the yr hat the ceiling is broken through. Why? Because I think the NFL is going to rig things so the Bills win the SB this yr. But it will be an anomaly if it happens.
 
Josh Allen is at 7.8% of Buffalo's cap.

Mahomes though is at 17.1% of KC's.

I suppose the NFL still has time to call an audible on who they're rigging things for as of this post..
 
steelbtexan said:
How many championships have they won since they went over 15%?

This yr I think is going to finally be the yr hat the ceiling is broken through. Why? Because I think the NFL is going to rig things so the Bills win the SB this yr. But it will be an anomaly if it happens.
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So now the nfl along with the officials are going to rig a game?
 
steelbtexan said:
We've been through this 1000 times.

No QB since the cap was implemented in 1994 has won a championship when taking up more than 15% of the cap.

Stroud is going to want a new deal after 3 yrs. That shortens the window to win a championship.
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As a first round pick, he's under contract for 4 years with a 5th year option. The 3rd, 4th & 5th years should be prime years, then we start over with a new QB, which we should draft in year 5 and another QB in year 6.
 
Number19 said:
As a first round pick, he's under contract for 4 years with a 5th year option. The 3rd, 4th & 5th years should be prime years, then we start over with a new QB, which we should draft in year 5 and another QB in year 6.
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Except Stroud's agent forces teams to renegotiate after yr 3.
 
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JB said:
You're such a pushover
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It's not that I'm a pushover, it's that Cal"s a pushover.

Even though the faking of injury as directed by the agent says more about the character of the player and the agent.

Me I would just realize that I made a mistake choosing a player with this agent and let him holdout and pay for my mistake and let the QB ruin his career. The next season during the 1st game I would instruct the HC to call plays that make it most likely that he would truly get injured, even if it made me lose that game.

This would put a stop to this agents bs. Does this look like a pushover. I essentially look at the player as a sunk cost from a business standpoint.
 
Questions for our QB savvy pundits - has Bryce Young already hit his ceiling?
Has CJ Stroud - and can he raise his game in the NFL?
 
Okay, here's a highlight reel of Stroud - yeah yeah I know it's only the highlights but as I have said elsewhere, it shows what he is capable of and improve on areas of weakness.
About half of the throws were open and the other half with defenders either contesting or very close to the receiver and I counted 6 different ones and most he threw open or into the end zone.
He throws either left or right shoulder to all areas of the field and has very good accuracy on his throws over 25 yards.
He can step up into the pocket if it gets muddy, but if you give him a clean pocket, he is deadly.
See what you think.
 
Number19 said:
No and no and maybe, but it may take a couple years. Young is used to playing in a phone booth. Stroud mostly plays in a clean pocket and had great receivers who were open.
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So Bryce didn't have any wrs to throw to when he won the Heisman huh? Nor rbs either?
 
Lucky said:
Reasons to leave early:

1. Average signing bonus for top 5 pick: $25 million. Which is more than $3 million.
2. The NFL has the draft every year. If you don't like the teams at the top of the draft this year, next year's teams could be just as bad. Or worse.
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I find it annoying when the talking heads always claim that so-so is going to stay another year to avoid X team from drafting him because X team is so bad. No shiii! The reason a team has the first overall pick or even top 5 is because they were bad. If you’re the top pick and really are everything the mainstream media raves about, chances are, you’re going to a bad team. Another thing, if a player is as good as the media claims, he should be the one that turns it around right? The good teams are not going to mortgage their future (because they’re good for a reason) just to go get that one player that may or may not pan out.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
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Yeah his frame will always be something to consider and with our Oline, he will be on the run a lot so he is going to be hit and fallen upon.
Still, strapping big QBs can get hurt too - just look at Trey Lance.
Me, I would rather not take the risk - I don't care how good he is, you will always be concerned every time he has the ball in his hands.
I'm done with all the risky draftees the Texans seem to have a penchant for.
 
Texansphan said:
I'm done with all the risky draftees the Texans seem to have a penchant for.
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You're going to talk yourself out of every player. What did the Bears GM tell Lance? Focus on what the player can do. Bryce Young is a magician. Defenses can't scheme for what he can do to them.
 
Lucky said:
You're going to talk yourself out of every player. What did the Bears GM tell Lance? Focus on what the player can do. Bryce Young is a magician. Defenses can't scheme for what he can do to them.
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No argument there, but the competition is faster and bigger every week for 17 weeks or more in the NFL and our line is suspect.
Otoh, Will Levis already has experience behind a weak line - I wonder how Young would have looked behind it.
I won't be too disappointed if they take Young, but it's going to be scary watching him play.
 
NC might choose Levis more for his arm strength than just his size. Watched the tape too & Bryce struggles, outside hash or field side both middle and deep routes. He's also going to get a lot of balls knocked down @ line of scrimmage. Hell, I see Herbert get his passes knocked down all the time and he's 6'6". He also hangs on to the ball too long and can get completely engulfed, not sure how many times he'll pop back up from a consistent diet of those? AT his best with up tempo rhythmic offense. Thats why it's so important to get the right OC/Head coach to match up his skill set. If Levis can be speed up his process without losing accuracy, then think we're having a whole different conversation.
 
Lucky said:
You're going to talk yourself out of every player. What did the Bears GM tell Lance? Focus on what the player can do. Bryce Young is a magician. Defenses can't scheme for what he can do to them.
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Midget magic tricks?

Defenses have been scheming for QB's with Young's skillset for 50 yrs.
 
Texansphan said:
Okay, here's a highlight reel of Stroud - yeah yeah I know it's only the highlights but as I have said elsewhere, it shows what he is capable of and improve on areas of weakness.
About half of the throws were open and the other half with defenders either contesting or very close to the receiver and I counted 6 different ones and most he threw open or into the end zone.
He throws either left or right shoulder to all areas of the field and has very good accuracy on his throws over 25 yards.
He can step up into the pocket if it gets muddy, but if you give him a clean pocket, he is deadly.
See what you think.
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I don't know why posters are knocking this kid. Look at his ball placement on those shoulder throws. They're on the proper shoulder for the wr to make the catch and turn. That's called accuracy.
 
leebigeztx said:
I don't know why posters are knocking this kid. Look at his ball placement on those shoulder throws. They're on the proper shoulder for the wr to make the catch and turn. That's called accuracy.
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Because only one QB his size and he weighs less than Wilson has ever won a championship. To think some want to draft this guy? SMH, it's like some don't want the Texans to win a championship.
 
leebigeztx said:
I don't know why posters are knocking this kid. Look at his ball placement on those shoulder throws. They're on the proper shoulder for the wr to make the catch and turn. That's called accuracy.
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Yeah he has a good chance to be decent in the NFL.
If he comes here, I hope Texans get him some decent weapons to throw to and a reliable run game to fall back on.
 
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