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Corrosion said:
The Watson deposition is only for the civil cases.


That won't solve the problem of the criminal cases that are becoming more complicated by the day. As long as those criminal cases are pending, there will be no deal.

I hear that "everyone in the Watson camp" expects an indictment on the criminal cases.

I believe @CloakNNNdagger has heard the same.


To be quite honest, I expect this to drag into the latter part of 2023 before we can hope for a resolution to the pending criminal cases, and I think that's a rather optimistic date.
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This is what I said was most likely to happen all along.
 
After listening to a couple of Pod Cast of teams that could have interest in DeShaun Watson….Caserio might be wise to tell Cal & Easterby that the team will be eating Watson’s 2022 salary b/c if they try to trade him before the draft…..it’ll be like re-watching an OB dropping the prison soap shower scene.

The Texans will have one of two options by waiting until April 2023:
1. Watson is found guilty and the team can void his contract while seeking a return of money paid on new 2022 contract paid….including the signing bonus given.
2. Watson is found not guilty and Caserio can get on the phone or begin taking trade calls in earnest. 2022 not being a strong QB Class could see a lot of the same teams in need of a QB in 2022 calling with new proposals.

Tunsil would the best trade asset for 2022 since there will be a few teams after the first 15 picks in RD1 that will have a need for a LT and would have missed out on the one’s who could be the plug-n-play types. The Steelers and Bengals immediately come to mind, but it’s the Bengals who move to the top b/c they have a SB team who got there in spite of the mediocre OL. Not to mention, they have a “Franchise QB” in Jeff Burrows who they can ill afford to blow off protecting.

The Texans did not look any worse with Howard manning the LT spot while Tunsil recovered from his injury and then stayed out for whatever reason that only the FO knows about but have not made public. In all actuality, Howard was playing LT at fairly high level down the stretch which could be contributed to the fact he was finally playing his natural position for an extended period of time. Giving Howard a top notch LG may help him as much as we thought it would help Tunsil.

Bengals give up their:
2022
RD1-31-031
RD4-31-134
2023
Conditional RD2
RD5

My Mock:
RD1-03-003: SS- Kyle Hamilton (Notre Dame)
RD1-31-031: FS- Daxton Hill (Michigan)

RD2-05-037: LG- Zion Johnson (Boston College)

RD3-04-068: RB- Breece Hall (Iowa State)
RD3-16-080: RT- Andrew Stueber (Michigan)

RD4-31-134: RG- Cade Mays (Tennessee)
RD4-32-135: TE- Jelani Woods (Virginia)

RD6-04-181: WR- Danny Gray (SMU)
RD6-27-204: CB- Damarion Williams (Houston)
RD6-29-206: LB- Tyree Johnson (Texas A&M)

RD7-24-243: RB- Sincere McCormick (UTSA)

The offense got the bulk of the attention but the players selected should make contributions from Day 1 or at some point in their first season. I’d have the lineman on the field from Day 1 to push their development while building cohesiveness early on.

LT- Howard
LG- Zion Johnson
OC- Morrissey (Britt if re-signed)
RG- Cade Mays
RT- Andrew Stueber

Scharping OC/SG (Is finally moved to Center)
Heck- ST
Taylor- SG
McCray- SG

The defense gets the first round and walks away with the 2 biggest defensive backfield impact players. Hamilton and Hill could cover, hit, tackle, or blitz from anywhere they are lined up. Their speed will make it difficult on OC’s. Johnson could be a situation pass rusher in 2022 as he develops and gains more weight and strength. He did have 8.5 sacks in 2021 so my guess is….he knows how to find the QB.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I doubt the Eagles give up that much up front. I do think a package including the following would get a deal done:

2022
RD1-15-15 (<MIA)
RD2-19-51
RD3-19-83

2023
RD1
RD2

2024
RD1

CB- Darius Slay: 31 years old and would be under contract for 2022 and 2023. That’s not long term for a solid veteran CB who could definitely help the secondary for a couple of seasons. Eagles probably wouldn’t want to lose Slay but moving his contract to help take on Watson’s contract would make this a necessity.

QB- Gardner Minshew: He’s only under contract for the 2022 season. A solid QB2 who would serve as an inexpensive insurance plan for Mills.

I wouldn’t mind asking for OC- Landon Dickerson but I better be prepared to hear, he’s not on the table. The Eagles have to build their OL and losing a rookie chip wouldn’t make sense.

In all honesty, this trade could work for all 3 parties….Watson gets his wish of playing for a new team, the Eagles get their “Franchise QB1”, and Caserio gets his 6 picks on top of a couple of veterans who would have a place with the Texans.
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Yes, but if Watson is not interested in Philly then he retains his NTC...and we are out of luck
 
Corrosion said:
The Watson deposition is only for the civil cases.


That won't solve the problem of the criminal cases that are becoming more complicated by the day. As long as those criminal cases are pending, there will be no deal.

I hear that "everyone in the Watson camp" expects an indictment on the criminal cases.

I believe @CloakNNNdagger has heard the same.
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no, I get that but for the most part if he settled civil cases prior to being deposed he would root out all but maybe 2-3 of the criminal complaints making his situation much more manageable. if he gets deposed not only does that make it more likely the civil suits drag on…it seems to be it also increases his criminal exposure.

i have heard the same on indictments; however, I’m not sure they will be the kind of charges that wI’ll lead to jail time.
 
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SnakeEyes said:
Yes, but if Watson is not interested in Philly then he retains his NTC...and we are out of luck
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I’m quickly coming to the conclusion that Cal, Caserio, and Easterby are going to have to lick their wounds in 2022 and cough up that 36M to Watson while absorbing his 40M dollar cap hit. If there isn’t a solid green light at the end of the tunnel….teams are going to want guarantees or protected picks in the event Watson’s legal situation goes sideways. I don’t see Caserio accepting this at all b/c he has no desire to drop the soap in a prison shower like OB did. If that means waiting another season to potentially get the best possible return, then I see Caserio convincing Cal to do this. If Watson finds himself sitting for another season and no team banging down the door for his services….maybe he’s absolutely eager to accept a trade to any team willing to deal for him come 2023.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’m quickly coming to the conclusion that Cal, Caserio, and Easterby are going to have to lick their wounds in 2022 and cough up that 36M to Watson while absorbing his 40M dollar cap hit. If there isn’t a solid green light at the end of the tunnel….teams are going to want guarantees or protected picks in the event Watson’s legal situation goes sideways. I don’t see Caserio accepting this at all b/c he has no desire to drop the soap in a prison shower like OB did. If that means waiting another season to potentially get the best possible return, then I see Caserio convincing Cal to do this. If Watson finds himself sitting for another season and no team banging down the door for his services….maybe he’s absolutely eager to accept a trade to any team willing to deal for him come 2023.
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I doubt the McNair's will want to go along with this. My gut is telling me Janice and Cal want the pervert gone, ASAP, Ricky tic. I can see Texans having an auction taking best offer that meets with the perverts NTC. Buyer gets Watson, as is, with the caveat, Buyer Beware. If you liked the DHOP trade you're going to love the DW4 trade. Provided the NFL does not have some rule that says a player must be in good standing before they can be traded. If so, then the Texans are in deep Kimchi.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
I’m quickly coming to the conclusion that Cal, Caserio, and Easterby are going to have to lick their wounds in 2022 and cough up that 36M to Watson while absorbing his 40M dollar cap hit. If there isn’t a solid green light at the end of the tunnel….teams are going to want guarantees or protected picks in the event Watson’s legal situation goes sideways. I don’t see Caserio accepting this at all b/c he has no desire to drop the soap in a prison shower like OB did. If that means waiting another season to potentially get the best possible return, then I see Caserio convincing Cal to do this. If Watson finds himself sitting for another season and no team banging down the door for his services….maybe he’s absolutely eager to accept a trade to any team willing to deal for him come 2023.
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Name him the starter and if he doesn't play it solves the $$$ issue.
 
Texian said:
I doubt the McNair's will want to go along with this. My gut is telling me Janice and Cal want the pervert gone, ASAP, Ricky tic. I can see Texans having an auction taking best offer that meets with the perverts NTC. Buyer gets Watson, as is, with the caveat, Buyer Beware. If you liked the DHOP trade you're going to love the DW4 trade.
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I could see a trade absolutely loaded with conditional considerations.
 
Texian said:
I doubt the McNair's will want to go along with this. My gut is telling me Janice and Cal want the pervert gone, ASAP, Ricky tic. I can see Texans having an auction taking best offer that meets with the perverts NTC. Buyer gets Watson, as is, with the caveat, Buyer Beware. If you liked the DHOP trade you're going to love the DW4 trade. Provided the NFL does not have some rule that says a player must be in good standing before they can be traded. If so, then the Texans are in deep Kimchi.
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Every once in awhile the defacto troll gets its right and I gotta agree with him on this one.
I go along with this scenario because ultimately we could see Watson getting traded for as little as a single first round pick and I'm inclined to think the Mcnairs
would be unwilling to assume his compensantion for the 2022 season which is 30 mill something right, and Watson surely will be flexible about a third party because doubt that he'd be willing to sit-out a second consecutive season.
Of course all of this would have to be accomplished before a criminal conviction.
 
Corrosion said:
The Watson deposition is only for the civil cases.


That won't solve the problem of the criminal cases that are becoming more complicated by the day. As long as those criminal cases are pending, there will be no deal.

I hear that "everyone in the Watson camp" expects an indictment on the criminal cases.

I believe @CloakNNNdagger has heard the same.


To be quite honest, I expect this to drag into the latter part of 2023 before we can hope for a resolution to the pending criminal cases, and I think that's a rather optimistic date.
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Watson must be only half hearted about playing football - I wonder if he misses it...
 
IDEXAN said:
Every once in awhile the defacto troll gets its right and I gotta agree with him on this one.
I go along with this scenario because ultimately we could see Watson getting traded for as little as a single first round pick and I'm inclined to think the Mcnairs
would be unwilling to assume his compensantion for the 2022 season which is 30 mill something right, and Watson surely will be flexible about a third party because doubt that he'd be willing to sit-out a second consecutive season.
Of course all of this would have to be accomplished before a criminal conviction.
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This is what I was thinking too.
He did try to offer monetary compensation to some of these women right?
Not a good sign for Watson's football career.
 
michaelm said:
Come on, people. You're fans of Houston football.
What, in the history of Houston football has EVER happened to make any of us believe the team will get something positive out of Watson?

The ghosts of Houston football are pointing and laughing
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This shiite storm has to end with a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I'm not letting you guys piss on my dreams.

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Texian said:
I doubt the McNair's will want to go along with this. My gut is telling me Janice and Cal want the pervert gone, ASAP, Ricky tic. I can see Texans having an auction taking best offer that meets with the perverts NTC. Buyer gets Watson, as is, with the caveat, Buyer Beware. If you liked the DHOP trade you're going to love the DW4 trade. Provided the NFL does not have some rule that says a player must be in good standing before they can be traded. If so, then the Texans are in deep Kimchi.
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You think they would move Watson if the best offer comes in at a 2023 RD2 along with a clause that requires the Texans to put his 2022 and 2023 salaries (eat 55M) in an escrow account in the event Watson was suspended or goes to jail? This would probably be a security blanket the team taking him off the Texans hands would want. Why would they want anything less with the McNair’s being so desperate to move Watson.

McNair’s need to keep him on the roster. The Texans need to tell him he’ll have to compete with Mills in camp or face suspension without pay. If he fakes an injury deal with it when it happens. Texans will be better off riding this out b/c in the end….they’re either dumping his contract or trading him for max value. That’s better than the alternative.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
McNair’s need to keep him on the roster. The Texans need to tell him he’ll have to compete with Mills in camp or face suspension without pay. If he fakes an injury deal with it when it happens. Texans will be better off riding this out b/c in the end….they’re either dumping his contract or trading him for max value. That’s better than the alternative.
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Watson doesn’t want to play for the Texans.

The Texans don’t want Watson to play for the Texans.

It’s the second part that people are having difficulty grasping.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’m quickly coming to the conclusion that Cal, Caserio, and Easterby are going to have to lick their wounds in 2022 and cough up that 36M to Watson while absorbing his 40M dollar cap hit. If there isn’t a solid green light at the end of the tunnel….teams are going to want guarantees or protected picks in the event Watson’s legal situation goes sideways. I don’t see Caserio accepting this at all b/c he has no desire to drop the soap in a prison shower like OB did. If that means waiting another season to potentially get the best possible return, then I see Caserio convincing Cal to do this. If Watson finds himself sitting for another season and no team banging down the door for his services….maybe he’s absolutely eager to accept a trade to any team willing to deal for him come 2023.
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Somebody seems to be coming to the realization that Derrick likely isn't playing next year either

You think the McNair's are going to take another 40 mil loss on top of the 10 mil already lost?

If this happens then Cal fell very far from the Bob McNair tree.
 
steelbtexan said:
Somebody seems to be coming to the realization that Derrick likely isn't playing next year either

You think the McNair's are going to take another 40 mil loss on top of the 10 mil already lost?

If this happens then Cal fell very far from the Bob McNair tree.
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If the Texans get zero offers….should they just cut him? If they cut him, they’re still paying that guaranteed contract. Watson remaining with the Texans is hurting no one if he’s around the team like he was last year.

I’m coming around to the time table in getting some answers that may shed some real light on the potential outcome. Remember, thumbs down and the Texans are completely out of his contract and lining up a lawsuit to retrieve all monies paid on his new contract. Thumbs up and Caserio can start fielding calls while driving the price for Watson back up to full market value and possibly even more.

The Texans rode this out last season and they’ll probably have to ride it out one more season before truly knowing their next step.
 
Texian said:
I doubt the McNair's will want to go along with this. My gut is telling me Janice and Cal want the pervert gone, ASAP, Ricky tic. I can see Texans having an auction taking best offer that meets with the perverts NTC. Buyer gets Watson, as is, with the caveat, Buyer Beware. If you liked the DHOP trade you're going to love the DW4 trade. Provided the NFL does not have some rule that says a player must be in good standing before they can be traded. If so, then the Texans are in deep Kimchi.
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I agree with you this. I don't think they will get their stated asking price which would be more than fair considering a team traded three 1st for rookie that they had minimal intentions of playing. Basically at some point the Texans just need to get out this.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If the Texans get zero offers….should they just cut him? If they cut him, they’re still paying that guaranteed contract. Watson remaining with the Texans is hurting no one if he’s around the team like he was last year.

I’m coming around to the time table in getting some answers that may shed some real light on the potential outcome. Remember, thumbs down and the Texans are completely out of his contract and lining up a lawsuit to retrieve all monies paid on his new contract. Thumbs up and Caserio can start fielding calls while driving the price for Watson back up to full market value and possibly even more.

The Texans rode this out last season and they’ll probably have to ride it out one more season before truly knowing their next step.
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Or they cut him and let the lawyers recoup his signing bonus.
 
Texansphan said:
Watson must be only half hearted about playing football - I wonder if he misses it...
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If he doesn't go to jail, when he comes back he will sing from the mountain tops about how much he missed football. Just remember that he's a 1st class phony.
 
steelbtexan said:
If he doesn't go to jail, when he comes back he will sing from the mountain tops about how much he missed football. Just remember that he's a 1st class phony.
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Funny I was reading something about what careers millennials wanted to pursue and one of the most mentioned was to be a celebrity…whatever that means. But I do think that is more important to DW than football and is reportedly a main reason he was seeking the Miami lifestyle. Meanwhile Mills plans to spend the offseason working with his receivers.
 
Texian said:
I doubt the McNair's will want to go along with this. My gut is telling me Janice and Cal want the pervert gone, ASAP, Ricky tic. I can see Texans having an auction taking best offer that meets with the perverts NTC. Buyer gets Watson, as is, with the caveat, Buyer Beware. If you liked the DHOP trade you're going to love the DW4 trade. Provided the NFL does not have some rule that says a player must be in good standing before they can be traded. If so, then the Texans are in deep Kimchi.
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I can see that also. If Nick doesn't move him some way or how, I can see him being taken out of the equation. Janice is no question wanting him already gone. Easterby, whatever power he has or not wants him gone (obvious reasons) as well. Cal maybe the only one who might still have a slight wait and see for him. Seeing I am pretty sure once Watson said he wasn't going to play for the Texans...Caserio was already figuring out trade possibilities. He is a football guy and almost positive he thinks Watson is lying. Let's look at the situation.
1- Inks new deal and raves about the FO and team
2- Is claimed to be on a committee to hire a GM and HC. Likely, was only in on the HC IMO.
3- Stopped talking to the team even before the allegations came out.
4- Straight up told the team he wanted a minority HC via his stance on candidates(all but said it)
5- Told Culley and Nick he would not play for the Texans. Even after his song and dance...see #1.

So, would not doubt Nick has pages and pages of Watson trade ideas
 
SnakeEyes said:
I can see that also. If Nick doesn't move him some way or how, I can see him being taken out of the equation. Janice is no question wanting him already gone. Easterby, whatever power he has or not wants him gone (obvious reasons) as well. Cal maybe the only one who might still have a slight wait and see for him. Seeing I am pretty sure once Watson said he wasn't going to play for the Texans...Caserio was already figuring out trade possibilities. He is a football guy and almost positive he thinks Watson is lying. Let's look at the situation.
1- Inks new deal and raves about the FO and team
2- Is claimed to be on a committee to hire a GM and HC. Likely, was only in on the HC IMO.
3- Stopped talking to the team even before the allegations came out.
4- Straight up told the team he wanted a minority HC via his stance on candidates(all but said it)
5- Told Culley and Nick he would not play for the Texans. Even after his song and dance...see #1.

So, would not doubt Nick has pages and pages of Watson trade ideas
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This situation has escalated far, far beyond an emotional knee-jerk decision. Janice, Cal, Caserio, and Easterby, will need to put their business caps on so they can try and walk away from this mess with some type of success for the organization.

I wonder if organizations have learned anything from the Texans situation? Maybe they’ll learn to vet players before each contract they sign versus doing all their vetting during the rookie process.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I wonder if organizations have learned anything from the Texans situation? Maybe they’ll learn to vet players before each contract they sign versus doing all their vetting during the rookie process.
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I'd wager the Texans never give another no trade clause as long as the McNair's own the franchise.

It's unlikely the Texans deal with any players represented by Mulugheta , wouldn't surprise me if several other franchises did the same. Aside from DW4, Charles Omenihu was the last Mulugheta client on the Texans roster, they dumped him for a late round pick to SF.

I'm wondering what kind of language they could add that protects them against players refusing to play or demanding their way out. The latter having become quite common over the last few seasons, particularly with Mulugheta clients.


As for vetting players, the league in general does a pretty good job overall, yeah, a few slip thru the cracks ..... but people do their best to hide the bad they do.
 
Corrosion said:
I'd wager the Texans never give another no trade clause as long as the McNair's own the franchise.

It's unlikely the Texans deal with any players represented by Mulugheta , wouldn't surprise me if several other franchises did the same. Aside from DW4, Charles Omenihu was the last Mulugheta client on the Texans roster, they dumped him for a late round pick to SF.

I'm wondering what kind of language they could add that protects them against players refusing to play or demanding their way out. The latter having become quite common over the last few seasons, particularly with Mulugheta clients.


As for vetting players, the league in general does a pretty good job overall, yeah, a few slip thru the cracks ..... but people do their best to hide the bad they do.
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I would think Watson has killed any player in the NFL getting a NTC going forward. No NFL owner can afford to have his team held hostage by an employee…..especially an employee that let his stupidity put the team in a losing position.

The sad part….Watson absolutely knew what he was doing in his personal life was stupid and reckless when he and his agent demanded a NTC, got it, and then signed the contract. Watson’s fate for his actions will be determined in the court of law but the Texans fate still has ugly financial strings attached until a decision is rendered.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I would think Watson has killed any player in the NFL getting a NTC going forward.
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The guaranteed part of the contract is more problematic than the NTC. If the salary is guaranteed regardless what the player does/does not do, the team is at a severe disadvantage.

How hard can it be to word the contract that if you decide not to play, you don't get paid?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
After listening to a couple of Pod Cast of teams that could have interest in DeShaun Watson….Caserio might be wise to tell Cal & Easterby that the team will be eating Watson’s 2022 salary b/c if they try to trade him before the draft…..it’ll be like re-watching an OB dropping the prison soap shower scene.

The Texans will have one of two options by waiting until April 2023:
1. Watson is found guilty and the team can void his contract while seeking a return of money paid on new 2022 contract paid….including the signing bonus given.
2. Watson is found not guilty and Caserio can get on the phone or begin taking trade calls in earnest. 2022 not being a strong QB Class could see a lot of the same teams in need of a QB in 2022 calling with new proposals.

Tunsil would the best trade asset for 2022 since there will be a few teams after the first 15 picks in RD1 that will have a need for a LT and would have missed out on the one’s who could be the plug-n-play types. The Steelers and Bengals immediately come to mind, but it’s the Bengals who move to the top b/c they have a SB team who got there in spite of the mediocre OL. Not to mention, they have a “Franchise QB” in Jeff Burrows who they can ill afford to blow off protecting.

The Texans did not look any worse with Howard manning the LT spot while Tunsil recovered from his injury and then stayed out for whatever reason that only the FO knows about but have not made public. In all actuality, Howard was playing LT at fairly high level down the stretch which could be contributed to the fact he was finally playing his natural position for an extended period of time. Giving Howard a top notch LG may help him as much as we thought it would help Tunsil.

Bengals give up their:
2022
RD1-31-031
RD4-31-134
2023
Conditional RD2
RD5

My Mock:
RD1-03-003: SS- Kyle Hamilton (Notre Dame)
RD1-31-031: FS- Daxton Hill (Michigan)

RD2-05-037: LG- Zion Johnson (Boston College)

RD3-04-068: RB- Breece Hall (Iowa State)
RD3-16-080: RT- Andrew Stueber (Michigan)

RD4-31-134: RG- Cade Mays (Tennessee)
RD4-32-135: TE- Jelani Woods (Virginia)

RD6-04-181: WR- Danny Gray (SMU)
RD6-27-204: CB- Damarion Williams (Houston)
RD6-29-206: LB- Tyree Johnson (Texas A&M)

RD7-24-243: RB- Sincere McCormick (UTSA)

The offense got the bulk of the attention but the players selected should make contributions from Day 1 or at some point in their first season. I’d have the lineman on the field from Day 1 to push their development while building cohesiveness early on.

LT- Howard
LG- Zion Johnson
OC- Morrissey (Britt if re-signed)
RG- Cade Mays
RT- Andrew Stueber

Scharping OC/SG (Is finally moved to Center)
Heck- ST
Taylor- SG
McCray- SG

The defense gets the first round and walks away with the 2 biggest defensive backfield impact players. Hamilton and Hill could cover, hit, tackle, or blitz from anywhere they are lined up. Their speed will make it difficult on OC’s. Johnson could be a situation pass rusher in 2022 as he develops and gains more weight and strength. He did have 8.5 sacks in 2021 so my guess is….he knows how to find the QB.
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Or they can make him play and if he refuses they can void his contract. I don't know why this wasn't an option last year vs giving him a free 10m to do nothing. They could've been either you play for us or you won't play at all and we will get in your money. You dont have to be a happy employee especially with some of what he's created.
 
Lucky said:
Does the NTC really matter in this type of deal? No team is going to trade for a $100+ million contract unless that player is on board with the trade. There will always be player leverage with a monster deal like that.
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You are probably right, but I like the idea of Watson having no leverage to pick his destination after acting like a little punk just months after that deal.

There is always the potential for some owner/GM/HC out there to arrogantly believe that they can sway a player after a deal is made. With a NTC in place, it really limits the options for the team who provided that contract in good faith.
 
Lucky said:
Does the NTC really matter in this type of deal? No team is going to trade for a $100+ million contract unless that player is on board with the trade. There will always be player leverage with a monster deal like that.
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Ordinarily, a ntc does. In this case, I think he'll jump at any chance to leave Houston and not lose another year of his career.
 
thunderkyss said:
If it comes to that, hopefully they void the contract & the free up the cap immediately.
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If he is found guilty of anything he is cheating with I would imagine he will be in breach of contract. Any money that we have paid him will be repaid in full from the date of the 1st lawsuit. As for any bonus, I don't remember if he had any, would probably be his. Meaning, the below this:
Watson is due a $35 million guaranteed base salary in 2022 and is being paid a $10.54 million base salary by the Texans this year.

He would owe "X" of his 10.54m back to the Texans. The 35m would be dissolved as he wouldn't be paid due to breach of contract. What breach that even the NFLPA can't help him with? Conduct detrimental to the team and that is just for starters. I'm certain that it is in the deal. The only thing keeping his deal in place right now is he has not been convicted. However, even a single guilty verdict will be enough. Keep in mind a jury in the criminal charges may agree to a lesser charge if he wants to avoid jail. Which is also still a contract breach.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
You think they would move Watson if the best offer comes in at a 2023 RD2 along with a clause that requires the Texans to put his 2022 and 2023 salaries (eat 55M) in an escrow account in the event Watson was suspended or goes to jail? This would probably be a security blanket the team taking him off the Texans hands would want. Why would they want anything less with the McNair’s being so desperate to move Watson.

McNair’s need to keep him on the roster. The Texans need to tell him he’ll have to compete with Mills in camp or face suspension without pay. If he fakes an injury deal with it when it happens. Texans will be better off riding this out b/c in the end….they’re either dumping his contract or trading him for max value. That’s better than the alternative.
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I've said this over and over and over. The easiest way to the end is make him play or face the repercussions of not playing. If he played as if he were dogging it, which I doubt, then any reputation as a player and the Texans being a crappy organization are out the window. If he plays well, which he more than likely would, well, you still have him as a tradeable piece if you so choose. Having him deactivated and paying him shouldn't have ever been an option. The organization should've put the pressure on him not having the dog and pony show with him being a scout team safety. All them guys was looking at the staff and management sideways.
 
leebigeztx said:
I've said this over and over and over. The easiest way to the end is make him play or face the repercussions of not playing. If he played as if he were dogging it, which I doubt, then any reputation as a player and the Texans being a crappy organization are out the window. If he plays well, which he more than likely would, well, you still have him as a tradeable piece if you so choose. Having him deactivated and paying him shouldn't have ever been an option. The organization should've put the pressure on him not having the dog and pony show with him being a scout team safety. All them guys was looking at the staff and management sideways.
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Jalen Ramsey did just that, didn’t experience any of the things you mentioned
 
leebigeztx said:
I've said this over and over and over. The easiest way to the end is make him play or face the repercussions of not playing. If he played as if he were dogging it, which I doubt, then any reputation as a player and the Texans being a crappy organization are out the window. If he plays well, which he more than likely would, well, you still have him as a tradeable piece if you so choose. Having him deactivated and paying him shouldn't have ever been an option. The organization should've put the pressure on him not having the dog and pony show with him being a scout team safety. All them guys was looking at the staff and management sideways.
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They dont want him to play another down for the Houston Texans and I agree with this position. Even if it means getting nothing for him.
 
steelbtexan said:
They dont want him to play another down for the Houston Texans and I agree with this position. Even if it means getting nothing for him.
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You cant improve your team if you don't get anything for him or is depreciated value. If you make him play and he doesn't, now its conduct detrimental to the team, his money stops. Rusty ain't free and it doesn't matter how much he's made prior. Paying a lawyer like him to is very, very expensive.
 
steelbtexan said:
They dont want him to play another down for the Houston Texans and I agree with this position. Even if it means getting nothing for him.
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Getting nothing is not on the Texans FO’s table. If they truly felt that way…..they could’ve cut him before the 2021 season started and voided his 2022 contract as conduct detrimental to the team at the first mention that he would never suit up for the Texans again and refused to take calls from the team. Sure there would be push back by the union, so the team takes this mess to court and figures it out there.
 
leebigeztx said:
You cant improve your team if you don't get anything for him or is depreciated value. If you make him play and he doesn't, now its conduct detrimental to the team, his money stops. Rusty ain't free and it doesn't matter how much he's made prior. Paying a lawyer like him to is very, very expensive.
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This isn't important to me.
 
leebigeztx said:
You cant improve your team if you don't get anything for him or is depreciated value. If you make him play and he doesn't, now its conduct detrimental to the team, his money stops. Rusty ain't free and it doesn't matter how much he's made prior. Paying a lawyer like him to is very, very expensive.
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He will be going to 1 of 3 places

1- Jail
Contract void we don't pay 35m but get nothing.

2- Forced to play and won't.
I think we would have to pay him 35m. But, refusing to play would likely result in breach of contract. And we probably won't get anything back as far as money. BUT we might be able to void his NTC. I don’t like this from a cap perspective. But for a trade him anywhere...I like that part.

3- Jail
His contact will be void and we get absolutely nothing for him.
 
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