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JJ Watt "he is just awesome" Thread

Won't happen with this team ask Andre. McNair either doesn't care about winning or can't make changes necessary to win.
 
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soooooo good.
 
No way JJ is worthy of consideration as the leagues MVP. OK it you want some
kind of reward or honor for the leagues Best-Player, maybe you can make that argument, I dunno, but not MVP.
 
MVP = Most Valuable Player

I doubt he'll win it due to the current path of the NFL, but several RBs have won the award. Lawrence Taylor won it. Heck, even a dadgum kicker won it

So, it IS possible
 
One of the arguments I made for not giving JJ the bank this past year (besides not needing to this soon) was that we might need that cap space if some outstanding QB propect emerged this upcoming offseason and voila, look who appeared on the scene last night and is currently on a single-season conract with the Eagles and will probably hit the open market in a couple months. OK he'll probably flame out in the next couple weeks, but who really knows at this point ?
 
IDEXAN said:
One of the arguments I made for not giving JJ the bank this past year (besides not needing to this soon) was that we might need that cap space if some outstanding QB propect emerged this upcoming offseason and voila, look who appeared on the scene last night and is currently on a single-season conract with the Eagles and will probably hit the open market in a couple months. OK he'll probably flame out in the next couple weeks, but who really knows at this point ?
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I'm going to assume you forgot your sarcasm smiley.:fingergun:
 
IDEXAN said:
One of the arguments I made for not giving JJ the bank this past year (besides not needing to this soon) was that we might need that cap space if some outstanding QB propect emerged this upcoming offseason and voila, look who appeared on the scene last night and is currently on a single-season conract with the Eagles and will probably hit the open market in a couple months. OK he'll probably flame out in the next couple weeks, but who really knows at this point ?
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I don't have a problem with locking Jj up with the Texans. I don't have a problem with them starting negotiations 2 years before they "have" to. It gives them leverage. However, I agree we did not have to sign him to the richest contract ever for a defensive player. I understand he's "worth it" & I'm being told it's an extension that makes sense.... I haven't figured out how that makes sense. Sounds bush league to me. At the very least we could have ended talks & picked them back up after the season..... no hurry.

But if we can't sign Mark Sanchez because we locked up Jj Watt.... best thing Rick Smith's done to date.
 
I have only paid top dollar for an authentic Texans jersey twice. I bought a white AJ jersey, and a Red Cushing jersey. I just have a hard time committing that much cash towards a piece of clothing. I have some pretty good bootlegs though. However, JJ is just that damn cool that I just ordered an authentic White #99. :cool:
 
False Start said:
I have only paid top dollar for an authentic Texans jersey twice. I bought a white AJ jersey, and a Red Cushing jersey. I just have a hard time committing that much cash towards a piece of clothing. I have some pretty good bootlegs though. However, JJ is just that damn cool that I just ordered an authentic White #99. :cool:
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Fit: Nike Elite Jerseys are constructed of heavier-weight materials for on-field durability, and they do not fit or feel like a T-shirt.
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For $300 I wouldn't think that would even need to be said. That's pretty my my annual clothing budget. :shocked
 
TD said:
For $300 I wouldn't think that would even need to be said. That's pretty my my annual clothing budget. :shocked
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Are you really questioning the necessary warnings for folks who will plunk down $300 for the word "official"?

I'm surprised it doesn't come with a disclaimer - "the wearing of this shirt will not make you into nor make you look like a football player if you aren't one already. "
 
The Texans badly need a QB.

John McClain @McClain_on_NFL
Since Watt entered league in 2011 Texans are first with 394 QB hits. Opponents completion percentage of 56.5 is league's lowest.
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infantrycak said:
Are you really questioning the necessary warnings for folks who will plunk down $300 for the word "official"?

I'm surprised it doesn't come with a disclaimer - "the wearing of this shirt will not make you into nor make you look like a football player if you aren't one already. "
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:spit:

Like I said, The player has to really be special, and make me a huge fan before I commit to that much cash.

The only other really expensive jersey I have is my Fred Biletnikoff Mitchell & Ness. :jam: :cool:
 
IDEXAN said:
No way JJ is worthy of consideration as the leagues MVP. OK it you want some
kind of reward or honor for the leagues Best-Player, maybe you can make that argument, I dunno, but not MVP.
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This statement is deeper than it appears on the surface.

Is the MVP the best player in the league (then that's J.J. hands down, IMHO) or the one that, had this player not been on his team, that team would have sucked. Okay, not "sucked" but wouldn't have had the success that it had. Can a 4-5 team even have an MVP candidate?

First, the Texans must garner some success; a 4-5 record (so far) ain't gonna get it.
Second, J.J. Watt must be the keystone player in that success. And, right now, I'd say that player is Arian Foster. The wins we have are on the back of Arian's performances. Yeah, J.J. made some highlight reel plays. But if Foster doesn't do what he did, we would have lost those games anyway. So at a minimum, they're neck & neck for Texans' MVP.
 
Do you guys have any idea what the defense would be without JJ?

To get a clue, watch just about any defensive series when JJ is on the sidelines.

Romeo has him playing so many snaps for a reason. Even when totally gassed, he remains the most effective defensive player on the team.

It appears as if people are starting to take JJ for granted.

We've seen what the offense is like without Foster. It obviously falls off. I shudder to think what the defense would look like without JJ. Does anyone think Foster could outscore an opposition offense going against a JJ-less defense?

My guess is that the Texans would have ZERO wins this season.
 
ObsiWan said:
This statement is deeper than it appears on the surface.

Is the MVP the best player in the league (then that's J.J. hands down, IMHO) or the one that, had this player not been on his team, that team would have sucked. Okay, not "sucked" but wouldn't have had the success that it had. Can a 4-5 team even have an MVP candidate?

First, the Texans must garner some success; a 4-5 record (so far) ain't gonna get it.
Second, J.J. Watt must be the keystone player in that success. And, right now, I'd say that player is Arian Foster. The wins we have are on the back of Arian's performances. Yeah, J.J. made some highlight reel plays. But if Foster doesn't do what he did, we would have lost those games anyway. So at a minimum, they're neck & neck for Texans' MVP.
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What you're really saying, whether you realize it or not, is no defensive player can ever again be MVP. Because the truth is, they've legislated out defensive play, for the most part. A team's success is ALWAYS going to hinge more on offensive players, in particularly QBs. So the MVP award is becoming meaningless.
 
eriadoc said:
What you're really saying, whether you realize it or not, is no defensive player can ever again be MVP. Because the truth is, they've legislated out defensive play, for the most part. A team's success is ALWAYS going to hinge more on offensive players, in particularly QBs. So the MVP award is becoming meaningless.
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Agreed. And yes, sadly, I realize what it means.
I blame fantasy football.
:D
However, while I realize it's remote, I won't say "ever again". There's a very long shot that we could have a 2000 Ravens-type team or a Derrick Brooks/Warren Sapp Buccs-type team where they win on the play of their defense and their QB is a "don't-screw-it-up game manager" and there's no Arian Foster/Adrian Peterson RB that carries the offense. The leader of that defense could contend for MVP.

But I don't see any team even remotely close to that at the moment. Now days, with the rules like they are, a defense has done a damned good job if they keep the other guys under 20-24 pts.
 
ObsiWan said:
This statement is deeper than it appears on the surface.

Is the MVP the best player in the league (then that's J.J. hands down, IMHO) or the one that, had this player not been on his team, that team would have sucked. Okay, not "sucked" but wouldn't have had the success that it had. Can a 4-5 team even have an MVP candidate?

First, the Texans must garner some success; a 4-5 record (so far) ain't gonna get it.
Second, J.J. Watt must be the keystone player in that success. And, right now, I'd say that player is Arian Foster. The wins we have are on the back of Arian's performances. Yeah, J.J. made some highlight reel plays. But if Foster doesn't do what he did, we would have lost those games anyway. So at a minimum, they're neck & neck for Texans' MVP.
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First off I'm not even willing to concede that JJ is the most valuable defensive player in the league, but he's certainly not the "most valuable" overall player in the NFL since he's not a QB. I mean are you willing to say you wouldn't trade JJ for any other player in the NFL ? I can think of several who I would.
Now is he the "best", like in the most talented or most highly skilled or whatever ? Different argument, but I can also make an argument that he's not that either.
 
IDEXAN said:
First off I'm not even willing to concede that JJ is the most valuable defensive player in the league, but he's certainly not the "most valuable" overall player in the NFL since he's not a QB. I mean are you willing to say you wouldn't trade JJ for any other player in the NFL ? I can think of several who I would.
Now is he the "best", like in the most talented or most highly skilled or whatever ? Different argument, but I can also make an argument that he's not that either.
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Just for shiggles, who would you consider a more valuable asset to any team's defense than J.J.?

Suh, Peterson, Kuechly, Miller, Thomas, Haden ... ?

Out of a number of other great defensive players out there I can't think of one that I hear about more game planned for than him.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Just for shiggles, who would you consider a more valuable asset to any team's defense than J.J.?

Suh, Peterson, Kuechly, Miller, Thomas, Haden ... ?

Out of a number of other great defensive players out there I can't think of one that I hear about more game planned for than him.
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Yes, several of those guys are among a group of defense players that I would say would be in the conversation (along with JJ), as the top defensive player in the league. I just don't think JJ stands "head and shoulders" above the whole group, it's debatable as to who's the best/MVDP IMO.
 
IDEXAN said:
Yes, several of those guys are among a group of defense players that I would say would be in the conversation (along with JJ), as the top defensive player in the league. I just don't think JJ stands "head and shoulders" above the whole group, it's debatable as to who's the best/MVDP IMO.
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It isn't debatable.

Not even close.
 
IDEXAN said:
How so ?
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...n-predictions-mvp-rookie-of-the-year-and-more

DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Judy Battista: J.J. Watt, DE, Houston Texans. Why even pretend this is a contest? Watt buries this award as easily as he does opposing quarterbacks.

Brian Billick: Watt. He's the most disruptive player in the NFL, period. He does everything right -- except for dancing.


Gil Brandt: Watt. Watt -- who has three touchdowns and seven sacks -- requires double- and triple-teaming by the Texans' opponents. He's a big reason why Houston has four wins.

Bucky Brooks: Watt. Based on his sensational performance and production over the first half, Watt is also a viable MVP candidate.

Charley Casserly: Watt. Is there any question here?

Dave Dameshek: Watt. I don't need to explain this, right?

Elliot Harrison: Watt. He has so much going for him right now that I would be shocked if he doesn't win this award. He already leads the NFL in pressures, and now he's got Jadeveon Clowney back.

Adam Schein: Watt. It's J.J. Watt's world.

Michael Silver: Watt. When he's not terrorizing opponents, he's clowning them. (Yes, Zach Mettenberger, I'm talking to YOU.)
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thunderkyss said:
We're 4-5..... & regularly give up 30 points. DPOY?

Really?
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Watch the games?

Really?

I f'king hate this supposed logic - "if he was that good, they'd be #1." BS. There are 11 guys on defense and the defense is affected by the offense. Put the best player of all time on D on the field with 10 scrubs and bad coaching and you have a bad D. Doesn't mean he isn't the best D player of all time. Individual excellence is not defined by team performance.

And we give up 21.9 ppg.
 
infantrycak said:
Watch the games?

Really?

I f'king hate this supposed logic - "if he was that good, they'd be #1." BS. There are 11 guys on defense and the defense is affected by the offense. Put the best player of all time on D on the field with 10 scrubs and bad coaching and you have a bad D. Doesn't mean he isn't the best D player of all time. Individual excellence is not defined by team performance.

And we give up 21.9 ppg.
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I f*king hate dumb motherf*kers who think they own sht.

I never said anything about being #1, only that I doubt the defensive player of the year will be on a team with a losing record, same as the league MVP.

We've played 9 games, gave up 30 points in 4 of them, three of the last four. That could be considered regularity, which is what I said... nothing, not a damn thing about average score.
 
thunderkyss said:
I f*king hate dumb motherf*kers who think they own sht.

I never said anything about being #1, only that I doubt the defensive player of the year will be on a team with a losing record, same as the league MVP.

We've played 9 games, gave up 30 points in 4 of them, three of the last four. That could be considered regularity, which is what I said... nothing, not a damn thing about average score.
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#1 = Hyperbole - look it up.

It's a dumb argument. One player, no matter how good can play on a bad team and not make it a winning team. As illustrated by the votes cited above, many see this.

Deion Sanders is the definition of shut down CB. He played on shitty D's for years on losing Atlanta teams. Doesn't mean he was any lesser a player.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
lol @ anyone who doesn't think JJ Watt is *AT LEAST* Defensive Player of the Year.

****in' clown show.
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Usually I find your hyperbole over the top. In this case your are understated. No idea how anyone can watch JJ and not see he is the singular best defensive player in football.
 
infantrycak said:
Where'd you hear this one?
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Heard it on the radio yesterday, but I found the quote:



JL: You mentioned you’ve been watching a lot of college football this year. You and your father were part of picking Rickey Jackson in the second round of the 1981 Draft. You were part of the group that identified Steve Atwater as a first round pick in Denver, and obviously JJ Watt a few years ago in Houston. What was your role in evaluating those players in the Draft process?

WP: With players, you give your opinion and then whoever’s in charge of the Draft decides how good your opinion is. With Rickey, my Dad sent me up to watch him and Hugh Green at Pittsburgh, and we obviously ended up picking him. With JJ, half the group didn’t want him and half the group did. Our side won, and it turned out great.

RG: What did you see on Watt’s film from Wisconsin that made you want him on your team?

WP: A few of us stood up strongly for him at 11th overall - there was some dissent - but I don’t think any of us thought at the time that he’d be the dominant player that he’s been. We thought he was gonna be good. What we saw is that he had a great feel for where the football was. He had more pass breakups than any of the defensive backs. He knocked down so many passes. He’s a great athlete, and I think people kind of miss that. They worked him out at the combine as a linebacker, and he moved pretty well there, and he has tremendous acceleration. We liked him a lot, obviously, and after his first year I told everybody he was gonna be in the Hall of Fame.
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http://thebiglead.com/2014/11/12/a-long-conversation-with-wade-phillips/


He says he doesn't know a lot about clowney but feels he's likely a good person since the Texans put such a strong emphasis on character when it comes to their first round picks.
 
infantrycak said:
Usually I find your hyperbole over the top. In this case your are understated. No idea how anyone can watch JJ and not see he is the singular best defensive player in football.
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I can entertain the argument that JJ is the most valuable defensive player in the league (but not the overall MVP, that has to be a QB in todays pass-happy NFL), or that he's the best defensive lineman in the league, but saying he's the best defensive player period involves too much in the way of "apples and oranges" comparisons. For example how can you compare the skill set of a JJ Watt who's specialty includes bull-rushing an offensive lineman vs a Patrick Peterson who's special skills include the foot-speed to run stride for stride with a fleet WR on a fly or deep post pass-pattern ?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Heard it on the radio yesterday, but I found the quote:
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Just to be clear, I don't think Wade opposed the pick. But JJ was 3rd choice. They were targeting Peterson, thought about Smith and took JJ as best there. Hugely happy they did. But I'm not giving a ton of credit for "we knew what he was going to become."

We got lucky as hell on AJ also. Pretty sure Casserly would have gone Rogers if given the option.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
He says he doesn't know a lot about clowney but feels he's likely a good person since the Texans put such a strong emphasis on character when it comes to their first round picks.
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Obviously a back-handed compliment, it would be real interesting to hear Phillips elaborate on his reservations about Clowney.
 
austins23 said:
Yep, that Knucklehead Sapp...
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I stopped reading right there. Sapp says/does dumb things.


infantrycak said:
Just to be clear, I don't think Wade opposed the pick. But JJ was 3rd choice. They were targeting Peterson, thought about Smith and took JJ as best there. Hugely happy they did. But I'm not giving a ton of credit for "we knew what he was going to become.".
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The story behind drafting JJ Watt
In 2011 the Texans had a very different game plan heading into the first round of the NFL Draft. The player they wanted was Patrick Peterson, cornerback out of LSU.

General manager and executive president Rick Smith had planned to trade picks with San Francisco to get Peterson. When the Cardinals took Peterson with the fifth-overall pick, the Texans had to readjust their strategy. Did they still want to trade with the 49ers for the seventh-pick and linebacker Aldon Smith?

They didn’t. Instead, Houston kept their original position at number 11 and drafted a rookie named J.J. Watt
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I've heard this told several times now and my understanding is Rick wanted Petersen and the trade was in place. When Petersen was selected one spot ahead of San Francisco's pick, the decision had to be made whether to still follow through with the trade or just pick at 11. Wade convinced the room "they'd be alright with Watt", so Rick didn't get to make the trade.
 
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