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Selection 1.11: JJ Watt DE Wisconson

CloakNNNdagger said:
Found this buried piece...........No matter what you think of the appropriateness of the Texans' pick itself, you've got to love this kid ........his sheer unrelenting effort and his intense goal-oriented focus.
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Yep.

This dude was a walk on for Wisconsin and look where he has found himself.

That is pretty amazing.
 
Norg said:
fairley had Bust written all over him if he came to houston hes to small to be a NT and would not be a good DE since he prob never played DE
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Fairley: 6-5 314
Jay Ratliff: 6-4 303
Shaun Cody: 6-4 310

We was about the right size actually.

JJ is the safer pick by a long shot.

Quinn and Fairley have huge bust potential, but if they max out, their talent and positions both outstrip Watt.

I like the Watt pick, but the upside of Quinn or Fairley is huge.
 
GP said:
You guys need to read that story CND posted a few posts back.

This guy is a gamer.

No funny business in that guy. No shenanigans.

He lives pissed off, like if he doesn't do it then nobody else will do it...so he rolls up his sleeves and does it.

I'm a fan.
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I hope nobody reads this the wrong way. Let's put the suspension behind us.... But JJ Watt and Brian Cushing really really remind me of each other. They both have oustanding work ethic and have the attitude that they're going to do whatever it takes to make this team better. Neither get into off field stuff but live football. I bet after a loss, both Watt and Cush are personally hurt by it, wake up early the next morning and eat a bowl of nails together.
 
False Start said:
OK, I wasn't all that familiar with him, read up, watched some highlights, he looks pretty good. :cool:
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I had just mentally ruled him out because I figured he'd be a 4-3 DE. It's an interesting choice for a team with two good-excellent DEs.

The Pencil Neck said:
Can't trade players during this draft because of the CBA issues. You can only trade for picks.
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I thought they could trade starting today?

Texanmike said:
Lets just hope he doesn't over train.

Mike
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Glad CnD caught that...that OAS will get you pregnant!

Second Honeymoon said:
Before the draft I told my Steeler friend that we love TEs, Colorado State, Wisconsin, and Alabama. Hit on 2 of the 3.
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Isn't that FOUR criteria?


Mom, what’s J.J. Watt doing delivering our pizza?”
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AWESOME
 
That'd be a great promo for the team, have Texans players delivering pizza's to children. A childrens hospital would be great and they have a great one in Houston :)
 
The1ApplePie said:
Fairley: 6-5 314
Jay Ratliff: 6-4 303
Shaun Cody: 6-4 310

We was about the right size actually.

JJ is the safer pick by a long shot.

Quinn and Fairley have huge bust potential, but if they max out, their talent and positions both outstrip Watt.

I like the Watt pick, but the upside of Quinn or Fairley is huge.
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Fairley is not 6'5 314...at the combine he was just under 6'3 and 291 lbs.

Fairley Height/Weight

Watt has the better vertical and 40 times... he also has more forced fumbles, tipped passes, blocked kicks...etc...so I don't see the whole "upside" debate.
 
The story behind drafting JJ Watt
In 2011 the Texans had a very different game plan heading into the first round of the NFL Draft. The player they wanted was Patrick Peterson, cornerback out of LSU.

General manager and executive president Rick Smith had planned to trade picks with San Francisco to get Peterson. When the Cardinals took Peterson with the fifth-overall pick, the Texans had to readjust their strategy. Did they still want to trade with the 49ers for the seventh-pick and linebacker Aldon Smith?

They didn’t. Instead, Houston kept their original position at number 11 and drafted a rookie named J.J. Watt
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infantrycak said:
Which should go to show folks we know .0001% of what goes on in the Texans' draft decisions.
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If you read the article, it didn't actually elaborate on what actually went into the decision...other than Watt wasn't their first, or possibly even second choice. :pop:
 
Obviously we got the best of all 3 players, but all 3 are now premium players in the NFL that would've helped this team immensely at the time...we were that bad in 2010. The only caveat would've been Smith's off the field issues.....
 
infantrycak said:
Which does what to my point?
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You said it "went to show" that we fans know .0001% of what goes on in the draft room.

Unless you're actively refuting someone saying that the Texans never wanted Petersen or Smith, it does nothing to support your argument.

Feel free to elaborate.
 
disaacks3 said:
You said it "went to show" that we fans know .0001% of what goes on in the draft room.

Unless you're actively refuting someone saying that the Texans never wanted Petersen or Smith, it does nothing to support your argument.

Feel free to elaborate.
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It means that fans have a tendency to assume the worst about internal decisions so they can pretend to know better and cry like babies.
 
disaacks3 said:
You said it "went to show" that we fans know .0001% of what goes on in the draft room.

Unless you're actively refuting someone saying that the Texans never wanted Petersen or Smith, it does nothing to support your argument.

Feel free to elaborate.
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Regardless of statements here it is new information and illustrates much more goes on than we commonly find out about.

The specific instance is irrelevant to that general point, but this one does call into question all sorts of assertions made about the Watt pick such as Wade was promised the 1st pick and picked Watt. So was Peterson Wade's top pick or Smith the former DB's? Did Wade want Smith next but RS overruled him for the trade up? People see the arrival of Wade and Watt together and start making up all sorts of storylines with insufficient information.
 
Brisco_County said:
It means...
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It means Deepi Sidhu has an active imagination. Nothing more. Watch this.



Rick Smith had plans with the Cleveland Browns to exchange picks with the intention of drafting Robert Griffin III. But when Washington selected RG3 after a trade with St.Louis, did they still want to trade with Cleveland for Trent Richardson?

Instead, they stayed patt & drafted Whitney Mercilus.





I mean just because I said it don't make it true. Same with Deepi.
 
infantrycak said:
Regardless of statements here it is new information and illustrates much more goes on than we commonly find out about.

The specific instance is irrelevant to that general point, but this one does call into question all sorts of assertions made about the Watt pick such as Wade was promised the 1st pick and picked Watt. So was Peterson Wade's top pick or Smith the former DB's? Did Wade want Smith next but RS overruled him for the trade up? People see the arrival of Wade and Watt together and start making up all sorts of storylines with insufficient information.
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Exactly... We don't know anything of what's going on behind the scenes, but people around here like to make up stuff to fit their argument. The common theme now is Rick Smith made all of the bad picks, but all of the good picks were obviously made by someone else.
 
I love 'what ifs' like this.

I wonder how much, if at all, this impacts Smith's thought process in subsequent drafts. I mean, does he go in targeting a player with a possible move up with the thought that he might be missing out on the next JJ Watt by doing so in the back of his mind?

Very fascinating.
 
thunderkyss said:
It means Deepi Sidhu has an active imagination. Nothing more. Watch this.



Rick Smith had plans with the Cleveland Browns to exchange picks with the intention of drafting Robert Griffin III. But when Washington selected RG3 after a trade with St.Louis, did they still want to trade with Cleveland for Trent Richardson?

Instead, they stayed patt & drafted Whitney Mercilus.





I mean just because I said it don't make it true. Same with Deepi.
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C'mon TK, you can :stirpot: better than that. She was just applying real world application of what McNair himself said just a few days ago about how they work the draft. I highly doubt she's throwing stuff against the wall to see what will stick and the team is publishing on the team website.

C'MON MAN!
 
Would have been nice if she had said, "According to Rick Smith..." or "Mr. McNair said..." or "Marc Vandemeer told me..."

Nah, that last one doesn't fit does it? Deepi is below him on the "inside knowledge" totem poll.
 
thunderkyss said:
It means Deepi Sidhu has an active imagination. Nothing more. Watch this.



Rick Smith had plans with the Cleveland Browns to exchange picks with the intention of drafting Robert Griffin III. But when Washington selected RG3 after a trade with St.Louis, did they still want to trade with Cleveland for Trent Richardson?

Instead, they stayed patt & drafted Whitney Mercilus.





I mean just because I said it don't make it true. Same with Deepi.
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I believe it because back in 2011 there was talk about the Texans wanting Smith, but SF snatched him early. Plus, don't act like there wasn't talk about HOU trading up. There was. People were hollering about V. Miller rumors for weeks before the draft.
 
ThaShark316 said:
I believe it because back in 2011 there was talk about the Texans wanting Smith, but SF snatched him early. Plus, don't act like there wasn't talk about HOU trading up. There was. People were hollering about V. Miller rumors for weeks before the draft.
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If this story is true. & it is true that we wanted Smith.... we'd have made the trade & took Smith. Her story is that we wanted Peterson, but did not feel Smith was worth the price.


badboy said:
don't we have to post links supporting our "opinions" so where is her source?
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Exacatlly my point. She didn't even use the "anonymous source" ploy. Just threw it out there.
 
I have no idea why the Texans published this stuff nor why people need evidence that this was true. I mean from an objective view point why does it matter if I would not have married my wife if another chick had showed more interest or my best friend would not be my best friend if he did not move to the city I was living. When the choice was available, the Texans made the right choice (and lol at the idea that Rick Smith had nothing to do with good draft picks and everything to do with bad ones).
 
From the best...

@JJWatt is the BEST Defensive player in the NFL. What I saw today against All Pros and Pro Bowlers was a MAN amongst men!!!! Truth
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- DeionSanders (@DeionSanders) January 27, 2014
 
Playoffs said:
From the best...


— DeionSanders (@DeionSanders) January 27, 2014
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Players to lock up long term
Louis Riddick
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So let's have that conversation. Here's what I assess:

• The future. This is about players who have been drafted in 2010 or 2011, as it is this group of players that could be potential 2014 unrestricted free agents (2010 draft) or eligible to have their rookie contracts renegotiated once they complete their third season in the league (2011 draft). These players will typically fall in the 23- to 26-year-old range, are about to hit their peak performance years and thus are the players who are most likely to be approached.

• Timing. It's important with these kind of players, as the benefits of approaching them early or locking them up before they enter the final year of their rookie contract can go a long way toward getting the kind of deal that satisfies both management and the player while showing the rest of the team that committed, consistent young players will be "taken care of." Contract negotiations in these early pre-emptive strike situations tend to be less combative; it's not a leverage-intense atmosphere, contrary to what tends to happen when both parties are up against a deadline (like the onset of unrestricted free agency), where contract parameters can get out of whack because of desperation and panic on the part of the member clubs.

• Commitment. I've also added comments from a veteran agent who represents players to help assess that side of the equation. Keep in mind that this is just an estimate.
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J.J. Watt, DT/DE, Houston Texans

There isn't much more to say about what this player has done since coming into the league in 2011 out of Wisconsin other than "wow." You could clearly see how good he was from a makeup standpoint during the pre-draft interview process at the scouting combine in 2011, but what he has been able to do on the field at the NFL level has been amazing. What franchise wouldn't be happy if its first-round DT produced 35.5 sacks, 168 tackles, 25 PBUs/batted balls and seven forced fumbles in his first three seasons? Watt can play anywhere on the line from a zero-nose to a wide-9 technique, can win with quickness or power against the run, can rush with quickness or power against the pass, plays with noticeable excitement and has tremendous toughness and physical/mental stamina. Plus, he is a solid citizen off the field by all accounts. He will be just 25 years old when the 2014 season begins. Watt is a guy who must be taken care of. He is the best thing happening on the Texans and deserves to be shown the money not just for what he has already given the franchise but what he'll give it going forward.

Agent analysis: "$36 million to $38 million guaranteed. A great barometer is the Chris Long deal the Rams did back in April ($36.75M guaranteed, $20M APY). Long has 30 sacks over the last three years; Watt has 35. Watt is 24 years old, Long [is] 28. The question is, was the 20.5-sack year an anomaly which you are willing to pay for, or do you see where he ends up this year and add that to the 5.5 he had as a rookie and say he 'really' averages somewhere north of 10 sacks a year? … If they have a new staff and GM, it gets done at the high end as a priority for the fan base and as a promise to the new head coach coming in."
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I really like Watt but don't see need to offer long deal when we can keep him for much less. We have to be smart on these Foster/Schaub/Cushing type deals.
 
badboy said:
I really like Watt but don't see need to offer long deal when we can keep him for much less. We have to be smart on these Foster/Schaub/Cushing type deals.
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You can only rent him for much less.. you can't keep him for much less. If this guy even comes close to FA or approaches the type of sexy stats he did in 2012 the price tag is going to go through the roof.

Watt isn't a Foster, Schaub, or Cushing type deal (although if Cushing didn't have the leg injuries I would not put him on this list.. when healthy he's still the heart and soul and the tone setter on the defense).. Watt is Houston's franchise player and needs to be treated as such and locked up. The Texans don't need to pussy foot around the issue, just extend his contract, because chances are he's only going to get more expensive the longer they wait.
 
Carr Bombed said:
You can only rent him for much less.. you can't keep him for much less. If this guy even comes close to FA or approaches the type of sexy stats he did in 2012 the price tag is going to go through the roof.

Watt isn't a Foster, Schaub, or Cushing type deal (although if Cushing didn't have the leg injuries I would not put him on this list.. when healthy he's still the heart and soul and the tone setter on the defense).. Watt is Houston's franchise player and needs to be treated as such and locked up. The Texans don't need to pussy foot around the issue, just extend his contract, because chances are he's only going to get more expensive the longer they wait.
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While I agree, I thought AJ was this teams franchise player? Atleast he's paid that way.
 
players don't figure out where they get screwed in the NFLpa negotiations until all the sharp edges are in place.
 
(this discussion should probably have its own thread, but whatever)

All the blame should go to the NFLPA and their leader Demaurice Smith. They negotiated the deal, and they signed it. If they don't like it, they can wait for the next lockout in 6 years to fix it. But those currently in power should realize that a good amount of the future leaders of the NFL are the ones who get screwed over by this.

I think the 5th year contract provision for 1st round picks should be removed, along with the Franchise Tag. Either put it in their contract the day they sign, or don't offer it at all. The idea of a "team option" in the NFL is just dumb, because teams are already so well protected from underperforming players as it is. And the fact that the 5th year deal isn't fully guaranteed for injury is a joke.
 
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