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Who Starts at QB in Carolina? - Mallett

Mr teX said:
QB purgatory.
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What are we doing with guys like Hoyer , Fitzy & Savage but staying in QB purgatory ....


They have nothing but a 7th (and 4th on IR) round pick invested in the position in the past two drafts ..... that just seems silly to me when its the most important position in all of team sports and your teams is devoid of talent at the position.

Everyone has a short shelf life in this league , fans are impatient and owners are just fans with teams for toys.

Make your pick and run with it. If you invest a high pick you are much more likely to give that guy some rope rather than this who's on first musical quarterbacks crap. Teams like TB , Minny , Jax and the Tinbreds may not have that guy either ..... but at least they took a shot and are giving those guys the opportunity to show one way or the other .... while the Texans keep trying to find a diamond in a poo pile.

infantrycak said:
So far in year 2 Kubiak (with constraints on year 1) had made his play. Yeah, you really can compare.
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Kubiak made a pretty darn good QB out of a guy who was very limited physically .... I'd take peak Schaub right now , this team with Schaub at his best is a real contender.
 
Mr teX said:
My guess is there were too many protection issues and overall miscues on the offensive side of the ball for him to really put alot of the blame on Hoyer for how they performed. Hoyer will be given the opportunity to go in as the starter against Carolina.....the hook is not too far away for him though and we could see Mallet as early as the 2nd half if Hoyer starts stinking up the joint again.
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And who calls the protection in this scheme?
 
With Hoyer, the receiver had to always be looking over his shoulder........literally looking over his shoulder...........whooaa, horsey, got to slow down.............
 
Grams said:
I have thought about this all day. Maybe OB was remembering Hoyer before he got broke in Cleveland. With the limited playing time during pre-season you really could not tell how bad he would be in a real game. Maybe he wanted Hoyer to come in for a year till Savage was ready and that was why Savage played a lot in the pre-season?

But we all know what Hoyer brings to the table. We do not know what Mallet brings yet. He may be the QB we are looking for or he may not. But until we see him play a lot more we will never know. We should start Mallet so we can find out.
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Before we lose too many games trying to find out what we ALREADY know.
 
I am just thinking. Who is to blame for the non answer at QB after Schaub? Now it has not even been two full years yet but you have to wonder how long ago a potential replacement should have been brought in either through the draft or a trade. I am not going to blame Kubiak or Smith but I do feel like this issue should have been dealt with rather a bit sooner than this. How come it has not been addressed so far? Where are the scouts and the GM to overrule and say hey guys this is what we need? Or any other coaches? Again, I am not blaming anyone just wondering why we are here now as fans.
 
gary said:
I am just thinking. Who is to blame for the non answer at QB after Schaub? Now it has not even been two full years yet but you have to wonder how long ago a potential replacement should have been brought in either through the draft or a trade. I am not going to blame Kubiak or Smith but I do feel like this issue should have been dealt with rather a bit sooner than this. How come it has not been addressed so far? Where are the scouts and the GM to overrule and say hey guys this is what we need? Or any other coaches? Again, I am not blaming anyone just wondering why we are here now as fans.
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That was the point I was getting at in the state of the franchise thread.

We're two drafts into the OB era and he's invested next to nothing in the position - a 7th in a trade for Mallett & a 4th for a guy who's on IR and one of those drafts was loaded with QB talent ....
 
Corrosion said:
That was the point I was getting at in the state of the franchise thread.

We're two drafts into the OB era and he's invested next to nothing in the position - a 7th in a trade for Mallett & a 4th for a guy who's on IR and one of those drafts was loaded with QB talent ....
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We have three "potential replacements" on the team, all acquired under OB's tenure. As flawed as it seems to put Hoyer in that group, that's how OB sees it.

We "drafted" two QBs in 2014 (Mallet was for a pick) in a draft that was "loaded with QB talent" (we'll see how that goes) and one of them is on IR (is that OB's fault?). We signed two other free agents during that span. I wouldn't say it was next to nothing.
 
Corrosion said:
That was the point I was getting at in the state of the franchise thread.

We're two drafts into the OB era and he's invested next to nothing in the position - a 7th in a trade for Mallett & a 4th for a guy who's on IR and one of those drafts was loaded with QB talent ....
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Yes. none of management stepped up to the plate either.
 
EVOLVIST said:
Well, I've never been one to spread idle rumors. I'm just saying that the feeling on the sideline was that the call came from upstairs. At the same time, the point should be made that the feeling was that OB immediately made the call without blinking.

Just think for a sec. Cameras we're on Mallett many times on the sideline because of the QB competition, and none of the cameras caught Mallett warming up? Why? It's elementary. He didn't have the time to warm up. One QB was jerked for the other one, rather quickly. That's not unheard of; still, it bolsters what the little birdie thought at the time.

I'm not saying it's true, but I think it's a little more than a rumor. Besides, as other people have said, the game was still winnable by Hoyer if he could walk on water. Why then expect a miracle by your also-ran, if you don't think he's your savior in clipboard clothing?
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I was at the game... RM was contantly staying warm. Every commercial break he was throwing and at times even had Hoyer doing it with him. He really was something to see really. I asked a few folks around me if it was normal and none seemed to think it was and I never noticed the Chiefs doing this. It was really something to see.
 
So what's more frustrating:

A head coach that won't look at field goal attempts?

Or

A head coach that says "I know who the starting QB is, but I'm not going to tell you."


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You have to swing for the fences in the draft sometimes and I am not sure why the team has not really gone all in on a QB in the draft recently.
 
TexansBull said:
So what's more frustrating:

A head coach that won't look at field goal attempts?

Or

A head coach that says "I know who the starting QB is, but I'm not going to tell you."


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You're right, Kubes would tell us straight to our face that Schlaub is starting, and then we'd cry.
 
I pulled out a stat for last game that I don't remember being discussed so far. A stat that Hoyer the game manager.....wasn't. And he better not help repeat it with the Panthers.

Time of Possession:

Texans............24:41
Chiefs..............35:19
 
Time after time Hoyer had open receivers and couldn't find them. It's called making poor decisions. When he did target an open man he usually threw behind him and stopped his momentum. The man is worse than Fitz and has no future in Houston. Trade him for an inexperienced but promising backup.
 
Seegara said:
Time after time Hoyer had open receivers and couldn't find them. It's called making poor decisions. When he did target an open man he usually threw behind him and stopped his momentum. The man is worse than Fitz and has no future in Houston. Trade him for an inexperienced but promising backup.
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Is the problem that Hoyer can't find the open receiver or is it that he knows he can't get the ball to them? Hoyer can make the rhythm throw in the middle of the field. It's the throws outside the hash marks whwrehe struggles. That was one of Fitz's problems as well.
 
BoB has no loyalty to either QB at this point. He keeps repeating that he does what is in the best interest of the team. Mallet will start.
 
A hundred years from now the residents of New Houston on Mars will still be complaining about never getting to a Superbowl. When an accidental mishap in a biogenic factory in downtown Houston lets all the nanites out, they eat Old Houston (on Earth) (near some bayous). In the dust that was left of Old Houston they actually did find an old Indian burial mound, which promptly disintegrated. Since the Texans were playing a home game when this mishap occurred, well, San Antonio now has a NFL franchise called the Los Zetas.
 
Vance87 said:
We have three "potential replacements" on the team, all acquired under OB's tenure. As flawed as it seems to put Hoyer in that group, that's how OB sees it.

We "drafted" two QBs in 2014 (Mallet was for a pick) in a draft that was "loaded with QB talent" (we'll see how that goes) and one of them is on IR (is that OB's fault?). We signed two other free agents during that span. I wouldn't say it was next to nothing.
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How much did Pete Carol have invested in the QB position 2 years in at Seattle?
 
thunderkyss said:
How much did Pete Carol have invested in the QB position 2 years in at Seattle?
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Much less...Corrosion's argument is that he hasn't invested enough.

Is your argument that he has invested too much?

He can't win. I guess "fan" is a derivative of "fanatic" for a reason.
 
infantrycak said:
Nope. Schaub imploded the next game. Down to Hoyer level.
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What are you 'nope'ing me for? I am saying yes, I would take that Schaub IF THAT SCHAUB WOULD NOT THEN IMPLODE THE NEXT GAME WHICH HE DID...because then it would be pointless now wouldn't it?
 
Hoyer has never been close to Schaub when it comes to being a competent NFL QB. Yes, we all know in 2013 Schaub imploded but Hoyer was undrafted and cut by 4 teams already. He isn't going to wake up and all of a sudden become a good player. Schaub at least was an average starting NFL QB for 5 yrs before it went south. Hoyer has never been anything but a journeyman.
 
texanhead08 said:
Hoyer has never been close to Schaub when it comes to being a competent NFL QB. Yes, we all know in 2013 Schaub imploded but Hoyer was undrafted and cut by 4 teams already. He isn't going to wake up and all of a sudden become a good player. Schaub at least was an average starting NFL QB for 5 yrs before it went south. Hoyer has never been anything but a journeyman.
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That bold part bears repeating. Hoyer was Undrafted by the entire league thru 7 rounds and .... Cut by 4 teams , one of them the Cleveland Freakin Browns .... who are the laughing stock of the league when it comes to QB play since their return to the league.
And somehow some fans and OB expect the guy to all the sudden become a viable NFL QB ....

Schaub had a couple damn fine years .... Hoyer doesn't belong in the league.
 
EVOLVIST said:
Hoyer will start? Yeah, his fuckin car and and drive back to Rust Town, USA.
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I have a feeling Hoyer will start too. O'Brien is just arrogant enough to think he can show him what he did wrong and fix it this week. It won't happen and we are facing another pretty good defense this week in the Panthers.
 
Vance87 said:
What are you 'nope'ing me for? I am saying yes, I would take that Schaub IF THAT SCHAUB WOULD NOT THEN IMPLODE THE NEXT GAME WHICH HE DID...because then it would be pointless now wouldn't it?
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Looking back at the exchange, you're correct. My bad. Peace out.
 
Hoyer will start and when he has his inevitable repeat performance of last Sunday this fanbase will lose its mind.
 
DX-TEX said:
Hoyer will start and when he has his inevitable repeat performance of last Sunday this fanbase will lose its mind.
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or he starts and some how wins the game

Btw last time we played Carolina Cam newton Killed US at home
 
If OB knows the QB for next week and isn't saying, well, it's Hoyer is my guess. Alas.

Mallett is slow on his feet but has that rocket arm. It's astonishing, but is it enough? Does he have anything else? Football smarts? Field vision (I would say yes, he finds receivers when there aren't any, but that's a hazard, too). What's the other players' view of him? Finesse? Has he got any? Or just a gunslinger. I mean, is being a gunslinger enough these days? Worth a try seems to me. OB too conservative to let Mallett have at it? What kind of gesture is OB's saying he knows who the QB will be but he's not saying. That was dumb, wasn't it?

Excuse me, I'm a stranger here myself, but date from the Oiler days, Earl and before. Hennigan. Tolar. & Co.
 
TripleTap said:
If OB knows the QB for next week and isn't saying, well, it's Hoyer is my guess. Alas.

Mallett is slow on his feet but has that rocket arm. It's astonishing, but is it enough? Does he have anything else? Football smarts? Field vision (I would say yes, he finds receivers when there aren't any, but that's a hazard, too). What's the other players' view of him? Finesse? Has he got any? Or just a gunslinger. I mean, is being a gunslinger enough these days? Worth a try seems to me. OB too conservative to let Mallett have at it? What kind of gesture is OB's saying he knows who the QB will be but he's not saying. That was dumb, wasn't it?

Excuse me, I'm a stranger here myself, but date from the Oiler days, Earl and before. Hennigan. Tolar. & Co.
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I would rather die with a gunslinger QB who is slingin and slangin than go down like a wuss with an indecisive QB
 
gary said:
The Texans are either going to have trade up in the draft or make a trade for their franchise QB. So, RGIII maybe?
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I do not believe that Griffin is smart enough to run this offense. I think that is the problem with the guy. Unless he is put in a college style offense, and defensive players are instructed not to hit him, he is going to fail.

DBCooper said:
Mr Glass?

No way.
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Never seen anyone dislocate their ankle with no contact from another player and only jumping into the air to throw a pass. Mr. Glass indeed!

gary said:
I like Sam too but let's not have a big contract and a broken QB here. Just saying.
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Bradford is broken but Griffin is not? Huh?
 
The stakes are too high to leave this up to Hoyer after what he's shown. I also have lingering doubts about Mallett as well so I've decided that I'll be starting at QB in Carolina Sunday.

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Plus I ate a bran muffin this morning. I'm definitely in football shape.
 
Hervoyel said:
The stakes are too high to leave this up to Hoyer after what he's shown. I also have lingering doubts about Mallett as well so I've decided that I'll be starting at QB in Carolina Sunday.

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Plus I ate a bran muffin this morning. I'm definitely in football shape.
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Not fair. He only has to lift the bar like a foot higher than it already is. I can't compete with that kind of stoutness.
 
I expect Hoyer to start. He will be better but unspectacular. We win. He continues in his mediocrity but winning mode for a few games even having a stand out spectacular game...Prior to becoming Hoyer again. Finally OB puts Mallett in but it's too late to know.

Sorry flashback. I have no idea this season.
 
infantrycak said:
I expect Hoyer to start. He will be better but unspectacular. We win. He continues in his mediocrity but winning mode for a few games even having a stand out spectacular game...Prior to becoming Hoyer again. Finally OB puts Mallett in but it's too late to know.

Sorry flashback. I have no idea this season.
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OB will probably will wait when Hoyer is 4-6 and then he'll make the switch to Mallett.

Because I have a feeling OB has to show us that he made the right choice, but Hoyer just needs time to get adjusted. Seems like Kubiak and post injury Schaub all over again.
 
MistaRed said:
If mallet is not starting I'll feel like Obrien is really not trying to win. Mallet is clearly the better option.
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If that were true, I don't think Hoyer would have started. I think it probably comes down to whether the cannon arm is worth the risk of throwing into coverage. I think consistency was a code word for turnovers. But I could easily be wrong.
 
*Disclaimer - Speculation*

It seems like Hoyer's the teachers pet type that sits in the front row and wants to run every play the way it's drawn up. Mallett, on the other hand, is the one that slouches in his chair and appears like he doesn't care for much of anything. On game day: Hoyer takes his classroom etiquette to the field. Wanting to run every play how it's drawn up no matter how the defense is playing it. Fails going through progressions because it didn't go how it was supposed to. Mallett plays the game on the fly. He knows the playbook, but knows how to maneuver around in the pocket when things begin to break down. Gives himself (and WRs) the extra time to make a play.

I like the way Mallett kind of just glides around in the pocket after sensing the pressure points
 
HOU-TEX said:
*Disclaimer - Speculation*

It seems like Hoyer's the teachers pet type that sits in the front row and wants to run every play the way it's drawn up. Mallett, on the other hand, is the one that slouches in his chair and appears like he doesn't care for much of anything. On game day: Hoyer takes his classroom etiquette to the field. Wanting to run every play how it's drawn up no matter how the defense is playing it. Fails going through progressions because it didn't go how it was supposed to. Mallett plays the game on the fly. He knows the playbook, but knows how to maneuver around in the pocket when things begin to break down. Gives himself (and WRs) the extra time to make a play.

I like the way Mallett kind of just glides around in the pocket after sensing the pressure points
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Yeah, I think Mallett is also willing to take chances more than Hoyer. Those 2 passes to Hopkins in the endzone were between defenders. Not saying Mallett is our qb, but I would rather see him taking chances than Hoyer.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
And who calls the protection in this scheme?
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Hoyer calling the right protection has little to do with Adams getting owned by his man or Newton getting put on skates.... issues as in guys not blocking well enough...offensive miscues as in guys running the wrong route...
 
Marshall said:
If that were true, I don't think Hoyer would have started. I think it probably comes down to whether the cannon arm is worth the risk of throwing into coverage. I think consistency was a code word for turnovers. But I could easily be wrong.
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There's no doubt consistency was code for turnovers.

Problem is, in his hop pocket was a turnover machine.
 
Mr teX said:
Hoyer calling the right protection has little to do with Adams getting owned by his man or Newton getting put on skates.... issues as in guys not blocking well enough...offensive miscues as in guys running the wrong route...
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Adams looked terrible at LG. But what about the play where 2 Chiefs players lined up outside of Newton unopposed, with our RB positioned to Hoyer's left...........and he didn't adjust the protection or call time out............and got blown up?
 
Hoyer looks to skidding in the pocket IMO, he seems to feel pressure when none is there and then does a horrible job of handling it when it really is there. To me Mallett has better field awareness, pocket presence and vision.

If Hoyer starts to me that shows OB puts pride before the team much like Kubiak did. It will only hurt this franchise IMO.
 
HOU-TEX said:
*Disclaimer - Speculation*

It seems like Hoyer's the teachers pet type that sits in the front row and wants to run every play the way it's drawn up. Mallett, on the other hand, is the one that slouches in his chair and appears like he doesn't care for much of anything.
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I'm thinking it was actually something similar. In the QB room, Hoyer would ask all kinds of questions, looking like he was hungry for knowledge & Mallett acted like he knew it all, and OB is holding that against him.
 
Note: I am not saying Mallett is Favre. beyond the general, obvious similarity in arm strength and "gunslinger attitude"

If you go with a QB like Mallett (just as the Packers went with Favre) you're going to get some picks. You're going to live with some mistakes because that bastard thinks he can throw the ball through a cinder block wall. If you make the decision to go with a player like that you let him sling it and you feed that ego and that cocky attitude because you're going to also get some TD's out of it. If he really is more like Favre than most of us (myself included at this point) think then you're going to win with him but you need him to believe in himself to an almost stupid degree. You can't have him doubting himself or second guessing himself.

I'm betting that's what Mallett being left in that Cincinnati game last year was all about and I still believe (speculation) that Mallett not being completely forthcoming about the extent of his injury has something to do with O'Brien not completely buying into him. Nothing to back that up. It's just the direction I'm guessing on that.

But really, if you give Mallett the keys you're maybe just signing up for a kind of football that O'Brien is just really wary of tying his cart to. He wants a degree of control and he's made his point with Hoyer coming in. I think Mallett will play within the structure of the system and do well but I think that for him to really break out you got to put some faith in him and let him play his way.
 
Hervoyel said:
Note: I am not saying Mallett is Favre. beyond the general, obvious similarity in arm strength and "gunslinger attitude"

If you go with a QB like Mallett (just as the Packers went with Favre) you're going to get some picks. You're going to live with some mistakes because that bastard thinks he can throw the ball through a cinder block wall. If you make the decision to go with a player like that you let him sling it and you feed that ego and that cocky attitude because you're going to also get some TD's out of it. If he really is more like Favre than most of us (myself included at this point) think then you're going to win with him but you need him to believe in himself to an almost stupid degree. You can't have him doubting himself or second guessing himself.

I'm betting that's what Mallett being left in that Cincinnati game last year was all about and I still believe (speculation) that Mallett not being completely forthcoming about the extent of his injury has something to do with O'Brien not completely buying into him. Nothing to back that up. It's just the direction I'm guessing on that.

But really, if you give Mallett the keys you're maybe just signing up for a kind of football that O'Brien is just really wary of tying his cart to. He wants a degree of control and he's made his point with Hoyer coming in. I think Mallett will play within the structure of the system and do well but I think that for him to really break out you got to put some faith in him and let him play his way.
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THIS!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
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