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Who Starts at QB in Carolina? - Mallett

I say you keep the starter a secret for as long as possible. I'd like to think Mallett is the
real deal, but the reality was that KC probably spent zero time game planning for him
to be the signal caller.

If they announce Mallett, then our opponent just gets more time to prepare for him.

Keep it close to the vest..
 
speedfreek said:
I say you keep the starter a secret for as long as possible. I'd like to think Mallett is the
real deal, but the reality was that KC probably spent zero time game planning for him
to be the signal caller.

If they announce Mallett, then our opponent just gets more time to prepare for him.

Keep it close to the vest..
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Not to mention it was garbage time... But after hoyer's performance it was refreshing to see us moving the ball when mallet came in. Im honestly indifferent to who OB puts out there. I think our issues were mostly B/c our o-line play was garbage..Adams, Jones and Newton were putrid.
 
Mr teX said:
Not to mention it was garbage time... But after hoyer's performance it was refreshing to see us moving the ball when mallet came in. Im honestly indifferent to who OB puts out there. I think our issues were mostly B/c our o-line play was garbage..Adams, Jones and Newton were putrid.
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I didn't see that at all. There were moments where I though we had excellent pockets for a QB to sit back & pick a defense apart. Not every snap, but a lot more than I expected. Hoyer just holds the ball longer than he should. If I had to guess I would guess because he really hadn't thrown the ball to these guys in a real game, so his timing is off, he's scared, or he doesn't understand anticipation.
 
I thought it was garbage time. Felt like Reed took his foot off the gas offensively. In the middle
of the third Q it looked like KC could have named their score if they had wanted..
 
EVOLVIST said:
I have it on very good authority that you guys are missing one important thing:

It was Uncle Bob, filled with the Holy Ghost, who called down and had OB put Mallett in. The only other time McNair did this was when he called into Kubes to put Keenum in.

Mallett starts against Carolina.
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You serious or just pulling stuff out of your rear end?
 
Mr teX said:
Not to mention it was garbage time... But after hoyer's performance it was refreshing to see us moving the ball when mallet came in. Im honestly indifferent to who OB puts out there. I think our issues were mostly B/c our o-line play was garbage..Adams, Jones and Newton were putrid.
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Can't call it garbage time when it leads to an onside kick that puts OT within reach. The Chiefs still had something to play for.

The O-line was bad (mostly Adams), but there were times when they gave Hoyer all day. They were just good enough. But our QB situation wasn't just bad, it was crippling.
 
thunderkyss said:
Hoyer just holds the ball longer than he should. If I had to guess I would guess because he really hadn't thrown the ball to these guys in a real game, so his timing is off, he's scared, or he doesn't understand anticipation.
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It would be funny if the reason Hoyer played poorly is because he was afraid of playing poorly. "Funny" in the way the Joker finds things funny, but still funny.

I agree that the O-line should be given a good hard look, but I'm not ready to lay everything at their feet. Hoyer made some badly-timed and -aimed throws which he had enough time to get right.
 
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speedfreek said:
I thought it was garbage time. Felt like Reed took his foot off the gas offensively. In the middle
of the third Q it looked like KC could have named their score if they had wanted..
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If true, it wasn't very bright. More like trying to run the clock out and it didn't pan out.

We were only down by 10 after Mallet marched us down the field.
 
DBCooper said:
If true, it wasn't very bright. More like trying to run the clock out and it didn't pan out.

We were only down by 10 after Mallet marched us down the field.
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They had injury problems last year didn't they? That's what I thought was going on. Because the KC play calling seemed
to be turned down a couple of clicks on the dial by the end of the third..
 
thunderkyss said:
So what do you do if he starts Mallet & Mallett looks like crap against Carolina?
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That's probably exactly the way OB is thinking.

It's why he won't call his shot on a qb. It's why we haven't taken a qb early. It's why we haven't spent any worthwhile resources on one.

It's why we'll keep having QB competitions with budget qb's.

Well if I actually pick a qb and he sucks, then what?

Well then you suck at picking qb's and you need to consult someone or gtfo.

OB set himself up with this qb situation. He picked all these guys. the way he's going about getting a franchise qb, any old joe cod do it. Just keep throwing budget, bargain bin guys out there until one sticks. Wtf does he think this is?

Clock is ticking. Time for him to be the man or admit he's not the man and find a man that can point him in the direction of a qb that is worth investing in.

What do I do if Mallett starts next week and has a bad game?

Coach him up and start him again the week after.

And if he gets it great. If he proves he's truly on Brian Hoyers level, then that's when I find someone to consult me on picking a qb early in the draft or trading for one.
 
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EVOLVIST said:
I have it on very good authority that you guys are missing one important thing:

It was Uncle Bob, filled with the Holy Ghost, who called down and had OB put Mallett in. The only other time McNair did this was when he called into Kubes to put Keenum in.

Mallett starts against Carolina.
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He probably ask Rick who that #7 fella is .
 
The int hoyer threw he had newton in his lap....And more than a few times it happened where he couldnt follow thru on his throws b/c one of his linemen were in his lap or defenders were bearing down on him. The run game was also garbage..pretty much no lanes for those guys. im not saying this taking up for Hoyer.. He was garbage...but we were in 3rd and long way too much..some of that was on hoyer, alot more of it imo was on the o-line.

As far as Mallet's time, look the chiefs were scoring at will passing the ball, but by the time mallet got in, reid was in run clock mode with a 20 pt lead.. He definitely eased off the gas is all im saying. And when the chiefs had to have a stop, we saw mallet get sacked with little or no chance of escape just like Hoyer b/c the line couldnt hold their a block for ****...
 
Mr teX said:
The int hoyer threw he had newton in his lap....And more than a few times it happened where he couldnt follow thru on his throws b/c one of his linemen where in his lap was or defenders were bearing down on him. The run game was also garbage..pretty much no lanes for those guys. im not saying this taking up for Hoyer.. He was garbage...but we were in 3rd and long way too much..some of that was on hoyer, alot more of it imo was on the o-line.

As far as Mallet's time, look the chiefs were scoring at will passing the ball, but by the time mallet got in, reid was in run clock mode with a 20 pt lead.. He definitely eased off the gas is all im saying.
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Yup ... the question marks for the Texans quadrupled today .
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
That's probably exactly the way OB is thinking.
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I'm glad you agree with me, that means a lot.

xtruroyaltyx said:
It's why he won't call his shot on a qb. It's why we haven't taken a qb early. It's why we haven't spent any worthwhile resources on one.
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Uh... well, maybe.


xtruroyaltyx said:
It's why we'll keep having QB competitions with budget qb's.
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Well I don't know what we'll do in the future.


xtruroyaltyx said:
Well if I actually pick a qb and he sucks, then what?

Well then you suck at picking qb's and you need to consult someone or gtfo.
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Ok... now I see where you're going.

That's not at all what I'm saying.
 
speedfreek said:
They had injury problems last year didn't they? That's what I thought was going on. Because the KC play calling seemed
to be turned down a couple of clicks on the dial by the end of the third..
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You keep refering to KC's O but garbage time for a QB is when the opposing D goes into a soft prevent mode giving up the short and intermediate middle of the field to keep the clock running.
 
Mr teX said:
The int hoyer threw he had newton in his lap....And more than a few times it happened where he couldnt follow thru on his throws b/c one of his linemen were in his lap or defenders were bearing down on him. The run game was also garbage..pretty much no lanes for those guys. im not saying this taking up for Hoyer.. He was garbage...but we were in 3rd and long way too much..some of that was on hoyer, alot more of it imo was on the o-line.

As far as Mallet's time, look the chiefs were scoring at will passing the ball, but by the time mallet got in, reid was in run clock mode with a 20 pt lead.. He definitely eased off the gas is all im saying. And when the chiefs had to have a stop, we saw mallet get sacked with little or no chance of escape just like Hoyer b/c the line couldnt hold their a block for ****...
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The difference between Mallet and Hoyer is that Mallet gets rid of the ball in half the time that Hoyer does. Mallet did take one sack, but Hoyer might have taken more by holding on to the ball for 10 minutes.

You don't say it but it sounds like you are saying that KC was in prevent when Mallet was in, however it looked to me like the secondary was all over the Texans receivers, no prevent there. If that's not what you are saying I apologize.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
It's why he won't call his shot on a qb. It's why we haven't taken a qb early. It's why we haven't spent any worthwhile resources on one.
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So in the absence of what he thought was a sure thing (an Andy Luck type prospect), you think that's why he didn't aggressively go after a QB like a for example Bridwater or a Garappalo
in '14 ?
 
Big Lou said:
The difference between Mallet and Hoyer is that Mallet gets rid of the ball in half the time that Hoyer does. Mallet did take one sack, but Hoyer might have taken more by holding on to the ball for 10 minutes.

You don't say it but it sounds like you are saying that KC was in prevent when Mallet was in, however it looked to me like the secondary was all over the Texans receivers, no prevent there. If that's not what you are saying I apologize.
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They werent in prevent but they were more than fine with keeping everything in front of them...they had a 20 pt lead and time was on their side at that point. They really were just trying to not give up a quick big play and wanted the to use the clock against the texans...

I mean whatever, mallet made the most of his opportunity which is what he should've done.
 
Big Lou said:
You don't say it but it sounds like you are saying that KC was in prevent when Mallet was in, however it looked to me like the secondary was all over the Texans receivers, no prevent there. If that's not what you are saying I apologize.
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Regardless, people play differently when the score is 0-0 than they do when they have an 18 point lead late in the 4th.

I'd so much rather see Mallett start. But if I were OB & I already picked Hoyer over Mallett, I'm not going to start Mallett over what he did in this game.

Andrew Luck struggled all day today, but you don't start the next guy if he came in & put together a couple of good drives.

No, Hoyer isn't Luck. But that wasn't a "QB competition" either. OB wants Hoyer to start... this game isn't going to change that.
 
thunderkyss said:
Regardless, people play differently when the score is 0-0 than they do when they have an 18 point lead late in the 4th.

I'd so much rather see Mallett start. But if I were OB & I already picked Hoyer over Mallett, I'm not going to start Mallett over what he did in this game.

Andrew Luck struggled all day today, but you don't start the next guy if he came in & put together a couple of good drives.

No, Hoyer isn't Luck. But that wasn't a "QB competition" either. OB wants Hoyer to start... this game isn't going to change that.
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If that were the case, why even take Hoyer out. He should have left him in there to get more reps with the guys. If he reverses field now and plays Hoyer he is an idiot IMO
 
Well he did say that the starting position was contingent upon the player he chooses ability to get the job done... Hoyer wasnt getting it done today, so ....
 
thunderkyss said:
I'd so much rather see Mallett start. But if I were OB & I already picked Hoyer over Mallett, I'm not going to start Mallett over what he did in this game.

Andrew Luck struggled all day today, but you don't start the next guy if he came in & put together a couple of good drives.

No, Hoyer isn't Luck. But that wasn't a "QB competition" either. OB wants Hoyer to start... this game isn't going to change that.
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I get what you're saying BUT then he should have ridden out the game with Hoyer. See if he has any bounce.

You didn't see Luck, Manning, etc. being yanked.

And especially in context. OB knew damn well there was a Great White QB Controversy circling Hoyer before the game started (actually since he brought Hoyer to Houston). Yanking Hoyer just chummed the water.

I was absolutely floored he yanked Hoyer today.
 
I remember that after training camp in 1996, Bill Cowher named Jim Miller the starter, but then pulled him after two quarters of the season-opener. Miller never started another game for the Steelers.

We'll have to see if the same thing happens with Hoyer.
 
infantrycak said:
I get what you're saying BUT then he should have ridden out the game with Hoyer. See if he has any bounce.

You didn't see Luck, Manning, etc. being yanked.

And especially in context. OB knew damn well there was a Great White QB Controversy circling Hoyer before the game started (actually since he brought Hoyer to Houston). Yanking Hoyer just chummed the water.

I was absolutely floored he yanked Hoyer today.
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I was shocked, my first thought when I saw 15 on the field was that OB pulled Hoyer because the game was out of reach and Mallet was in to mop up, but mathematically the game was t over so he did pull Hoyer.
 
infantrycak said:
I get what you're saying BUT then he should have ridden out the game with Hoyer. See if he has any bounce.

You didn't see Luck, Manning, etc. being yanked.

And especially in context. OB knew damn well there was a Great White QB Controversy circling Hoyer before the game started (actually since he brought Hoyer to Houston). Yanking Hoyer just chummed the water.

I was absolutely floored he yanked Hoyer today.
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When he yanked him , IMO , he is saying this is crap and we expect better . This is the polar opposite of Kubes who would yank Tate for fumbling but would allow Schaub to throw a pick 6 a week . I think he has to go with Mallett and see what he can do because he pulled the curtain on Hoyer .
 
Mr teX said:
They werent in prevent but they were more than fine with keeping everything in front of them...they had a 20 pt lead and time was on their side at that point. They really were just trying to not give up a quick big play and wanted the to use the clock against the texans...

I mean whatever, mallet made the most of his opportunity which is what he should've done.
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I hear ya, just felt like the secondary was in tight coverage, but i understand what you are saying.
 
thunderkyss said:
Regardless, people play differently when the score is 0-0 than they do when they have an 18 point lead late in the 4th.

I'd so much rather see Mallett start. But if I were OB & I already picked Hoyer over Mallett, I'm not going to start Mallett over what he did in this game.

Andrew Luck struggled all day today, but you don't start the next guy if he came in & put together a couple of good drives.

No, Hoyer isn't Luck. But that wasn't a "QB competition" either. OB wants Hoyer to start... this game isn't going to change that.
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If this is true then oriented needs to go. Great coaches make great decisions
 
infantrycak said:
I get what you're saying BUT then he should have ridden out the game with Hoyer. See if he has any bounce.
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I think he'd risk losing the team if he didn't. There's a fine line there. This is very reminiscent of 2013 Schaub... maybe that's not a good example for me since Matt did come back & win that game after throwing a pick six on his first throw.

Maybe O'Brien should have left Hoyer in. Maybe he doesn't have as much faith in Hoyer as Kubiak did in Schaub.

infantrycak said:
And especially in context. OB knew damn well there was a Great White QB Controversy circling Hoyer before the game started (actually since he brought Hoyer to Houston). Yanking Hoyer just chummed the water.

I was absolutely floored he yanked Hoyer today.
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I was convinced he wasn't going to do it. My wife & I walked out after the draw on 3rd & 22. The stadium emptied out really, maybe that's why he did it.

We had heard he put Mallett in the game & they had scored a TD by the time we got off the ramps. Several people were yelling back at the stadium he.made the switch too late.

Like I said, if it were me, Mallett would be named the starter for next weeks game. But I say that as a person who would have named Mallett the starter for the first preseason game.

I just can't see OB giving up on Hoyer so soon. In fact, I bet OB blames the fans. Had we not booed Hoyer from go, he'd have probably played better. He'll probably use next weeks away game to prove that point.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
When he yanked him , IMO , he is saying this is crap and we expect better . This is the polar opposite of Kubes who would yank Tate for fumbling but would allow Schaub to throw a pick 6 a week . I think he has to go with Mallett and see what he can do because he pulled the curtain on Hoyer .
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I don't think it's smart to treat RBs and QBs the same way. It may not seem fair but the circumstances are too different. A RB has to focus on one thing - hold onto the damn ball. A QB already has a million thoughts running thru his head. They need a groove, a rythm. Yank them too fast and you turn them into a coke snorting paranoid schizophrenic.
 
Hervoyel said:
I really don't want to see Hoyer again after this. Looking at 2014 and what Fitzpatrick did we have to ask ourselves "Did Fitz have a game this bad right out of the gate?" I don't know if he did. He had Arian Foster which helped a lot and the Texans came out of the gate 2-0 (against Washington & Oakland so take that into account) but he looked bad for quite some time before he looked bad enough to pull. The Texans were 4-5 when Mallet got to start in Cleveland.

Start Hoyer next week and get more of this against Carolina and you have a guy who looks like ****, doesn't have Arian Foster to bail his butt out, and starts OB's second season out for him at 0-2, not 2-0.

I think he starts Mallet or puts Mallet in very soon if Hoyer fires up the suck machine from the get-go.

Bad QB play. We've been watching varying degrees of it pretty much since Albert Haynesworth crushed Matt Schaub's foot and ended his season in 2012. Yates, broken Matt Schaub, unready Case Keenum, Fitztragic, Mallet followed closely by broken Mallet, Improved Fitztragic then Savage and improved Case Keenum. Now we can add "That worthless **** Hoyer" to the list and we're back to Mallet.

I don't know if Mallet is Fool's Gold or not. I know I've seen him play in three different situations now. Starter with two weeks to prepare to play a bad team (Cleveland), Can't hit the broadside of a barn because his pectoral muscle is torn (Cincinnati), and now "Backup in relief playing a soft, almost prevent defense hard. I still don't know what I'm looking at. I just know one thing. If OB takes Mallet away again and drops that sack of **** Hoyer back under center keeping me (and all of us) from again getting a chance to clearly see what we have in Ryan Mallet I'm going to be furious.

I want the answer to be that Mallet is the guy but in the interest of just knowing whether to move on to the next guy (Savage or whoever follows him) or not I just want an answer and the only way we're going to get one is by playing him. Mallet seems to respond to that. He makes mistakes. He makes brilliant throws and terrible throws but I think (on limited information) that he's a competitor who seems to for better or worse perform when the stakes are real as opposed to practice.

I'd like to see enough of him to know.
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This is what I was getting at in the preseason when I thought Mallett would be the smart choice as starter. He's a mostly unknown quantity, so if he shits the bed, OB can say "hey, I went with the upside and potential. It didn't work out." Then he could go to Hoyer and no worse for wear. By going with the "known quantity", in Hoyer, and having had him lay an ostrich egg of a performance, OB's painted himself into a corner. It's really confusing, since OB went with Rolle
 
re watched the game he didn't do to bad in the second half he was driving down the field but that False start flag and the sack he took cus of the o line well that was the killer

for hoyers sake he better win the game in Carolina that's about it
 
infantrycak said:
I don't think it's smart to treat RBs and QBs the same way. It may not seem fair but the circumstances are too different. A RB has to focus on one thing - hold onto the damn ball. A QB already has a million thoughts running thru his head. They need a groove, a rythm. Yank them too fast and you turn them into a coke snorting paranoid schizophrenic.
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I agree there's double standards in the treatment of QBs if your QB has been the established or is worth it . If he's not the team will respond accordingly .
 
DX-TEX said:
You serious or just pulling stuff out of your rear end?
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Well, I've never been one to spread idle rumors. I'm just saying that the feeling on the sideline was that the call came from upstairs. At the same time, the point should be made that the feeling was that OB immediately made the call without blinking.

Just think for a sec. Cameras we're on Mallett many times on the sideline because of the QB competition, and none of the cameras caught Mallett warming up? Why? It's elementary. He didn't have the time to warm up. One QB was jerked for the other one, rather quickly. That's not unheard of; still, it bolsters what the little birdie thought at the time.

I'm not saying it's true, but I think it's a little more than a rumor. Besides, as other people have said, the game was still winnable by Hoyer if he could walk on water. Why then expect a miracle by your also-ran, if you don't think he's your savior in clipboard clothing?
 
we can moan and whine about who should start at QB but the real fact is that this team just doesn't have much talent at all. and that my friends, is a front office problem.


how many texans players would start on other teams? would a second round pick like abdullah help out? (keep in mind we traded UP into the 2nd to get mckinney who warmed the bench this afternoon).
 
thunderkyss said:
I think he'd risk losing the team if he didn't. There's a fine line there. This is very reminiscent of 2013 Schaub... maybe that's not a good example for me since Matt did come back & win that game after throwing a pick six on his first throw.

Maybe O'Brien should have left Hoyer in. Maybe he doesn't have as much faith in Hoyer as Kubiak did in Schaub.



I was convinced he wasn't going to do it. My wife & I walked out after the draw on 3rd & 22. The stadium emptied out really, maybe that's why he did it.

We had heard he put Mallett in the game & they had scored a TD by the time we got off the ramps. Several people were yelling back at the stadium he.made the switch too late.

Like I said, if it were me, Mallett would be named the starter for next weeks game. But I say that as a person who would have named Mallett the starter for the first preseason game.

I just can't see OB giving up on Hoyer so soon. In fact, I bet OB blames the fans. Had we not booed Hoyer from go, he'd have probably played better. He'll probably use next weeks away game to prove that point.
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I was at the game and didn't hear a single boo before Hoyer's 1st turnover. I didn't hear a lot of boo's after his 2nd turnover. Of course, those were the Texans 1st two possessions. It didn't get markedly better. We left after the 3rd quarter, so I haven't seen Mallett play yet. I saw three full quarters of Hoyer and can fully see what OB saw in him. I could probably pick that secondary apart in a practice with no live hitting and I can only dream of having Schaub-esque arm strength.
 
VTexan said:
we can moan and whine about who should start at QB but the real fact is that this team just doesn't have much talent at all. and that my friends, is a front office problem.


how many texans players would start on other teams? would a second round pick like abdullah help out? (keep in mind we traded UP into the 2nd to get mckinney who warmed the bench this afternoon).
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You serious?
 
VTexan said:
we can moan and whine about who should start at QB but the real fact is that this team just doesn't have much talent at all. and that my friends, is a front office problem.


how many texans players would start on other teams? would a second round pick like abdullah help out? (keep in mind we traded UP into the 2nd to get mckinney who warmed the bench this afternoon).
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Duane Brown, Brandon Brooks, Derek Newton, Cecil Shorts, Nate Washington, DeAndre Hopkins, J.J. Watt, Vince Wilfork, Jadaveon Clowney, Brian Cushing, Jonathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Rahim Moore ...

... would all, at least, be starters in the league if not here.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Duane Brown, Brandon Brooks, Derek Newton, Cecil Shorts, Nate Washington, DeAndre Hopkins, J.J. Watt, Vince Wilfork, Jadaveon Clowney, Brian Cushing, Jonathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Rahim Moore ...

... would all, at least, be starters in the league if not here.
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nate washington and cecil shorts? put the kool-aid down.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Duane Brown, Brandon Brooks, Derek Newton, Cecil Shorts, Nate Washington, DeAndre Hopkins, J.J. Watt, Vince Wilfork, Jadaveon Clowney, Brian Cushing, Jonathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Rahim Moore ...

... would all, at least, be starters in the league if not here.
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You forgot Hoyer.
 
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