VTexan
Rookie
yes. you are right. they started on the 2-14 titans and the 3-13 jaguars.
i should have stated starting on winning teams had i known we were going to bicker over semantics.
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Who Starts at QB in Carolina? - Mallett
- Thread starter Marshall
- Start date
yes. you are right. they started on the 2-14 titans and the 3-13 jaguars.
i should have stated starting on winning teams had i known we were going to bicker over semantics.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
1) Let's hope that the decision to yank Hoyer did not come from upstairs. Undermining your coach's authority like that can be irreversible. It's Jerry Jones ****.
2) Even if Mallett isn't going to win the game for you, putting him in answers some questions: It creates a comparison for evaluating both QB's. It helps you root-cause the dysfunction in your offense (Is the problem QB's? Line? Receivers?). It tells you if you can rely on Mallett to be ready for game 2.
Outside of giving you a puncher's chance to take the game to OT, putting Mallett in was absolutely the right call.
Plus, they owe it to the fans to prove that they are not complacent about giving them a total **** show.
A shot in Buffalo?
Vance87
All Pro
You asked which of our starters would start on other teams. We told you. We use words for a reason. If you want certain words in your sentence, freaking put them there, don't leave us to just mind read.
And Washington and Shorts could easily start on "winning" teams (whoever that means since it's a new year now)
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Vance87
All Pro
Heh.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Let's not constrain it to coming from winning teams. What, if JJ had been a free agent after 2013 he would have been worthless?
I was afraid you had lost your mind. That's why I tossed out the only buoy I could remotely think of.
Lol, d*ck.
stonewhite
Rookie
I enjoyed Mallet's post game presser. Hope he gets the start in week 2
VTexan
Rookie
my point is that if washington and shorts are starters on your team, you are going to have trouble moving the ball. this team just does not have talent on the offensive side of the ball outside hopkins and a healthy foster.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Washington is stopgap.
Shorts was largely misused in Jax and could be an excellent slot.
Sometimes players coming from shitty teams reflects on the team rather than the player. Wes Welker wasn't good enough for the 6-10 Dolphins.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I think Mallett gets the start after thinking about it.
I don't believe OB is going to be slow to react. Games are real now.
I don't believe OB is going to be slow to react. Games are real now.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Just watched it. I normally hate watching athlete interviews, but he handles himself well.
O'Brien, on the other hand, was pissed. He just got finished chewing out his team (and blaming himself), then walked straight into the press room. He was in no mood for questions.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
It's going to be a really tough decision, but I think BOB gives Hoyer another shot. I'm just thinking about last season and he gave Fitz a longer leash than most fans would have liked.
Both Mallet & Hoyer missed so many throws that it made me really miss pre-injury Schaub. That's how bad I think it is.
Both Mallet & Hoyer missed so many throws that it made me really miss pre-injury Schaub. That's how bad I think it is.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock 7m7 minutes ago
Tom Jackson "I credit Rex with allowing a real QB competition. He could of easily given the job to Matt Cassel" Bills/Texans compared a lot
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock 5m5 minutes ago
One of those teams had a real QB competition & won week 1. The other had a sham competition & benched the "winner" in a loss.
Man....O'Brien is going to be torn apart by the media this week.
Tom Jackson "I credit Rex with allowing a real QB competition. He could of easily given the job to Matt Cassel" Bills/Texans compared a lot
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock 5m5 minutes ago
One of those teams had a real QB competition & won week 1. The other had a sham competition & benched the "winner" in a loss.
Man....O'Brien is going to be torn apart by the media this week.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
He'll have to operate by one of his own tenets: "Ignore the noise."
I'm rooting for O'Brien, because I do like him and I think he's a good coach, but I want to see what he learns from this. Hoyer had too much vet experience to be playing like Curtis f'ing Painter, so I want to see definitive closure to the Hoyer era.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Oh I agree. I just want to know if pride with alter his judgment. Havent seen one person anywhere say that Hoyer should start again next week. Not a single person.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Pretty standard answers but he let's his real feelings show thru which is entertaining but dangerous.
GermanTexan
Waterboy
I think he will give Hoyer one more shot...
2002whitegt
Practice Squad
It's going to be hard to explain why the guy he defended as consistent and gives them the best chance to win, fell flat on his face, and benched him for the "loser" of the competition.
I like O'brien, but really felt like Hoyer got the job as soon as he signed because he's older and has been in the league longer, even though his resume is unimpressive. Chances are Mallett isn't the guy, but let him prove it on the field like Hoyer has had a chance too.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
We're not exactly in the same scenario as last year, though. Last year we were winning football games and had a healthy Foster to bolster the running game. You can be a bit conservative when you have Foster at RB. Mallett also just came to the team at the beginning of last year.
Right now we have no running attack to speak of & Mallett has been on the team for over a year, so he won't have to learn the offense on the fly. The reason I would have leaned Mallett over Hoyer is because you can't go conservative at QB when you don't have a running game. Until Foster returns we need a gun slinger at QB and Mallett is the gun slinger of the two.
Hoyer can't make the throws. I don't know how O'Brien couldn't see that before Sunday. But he has to see it now.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
We thought OB had to see it now back in OTA's, TC and Pre-Season. Those closed practices must be freaking amazing.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Man I hope OB goes with mallet
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Who is this guy? Sounds fishy.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
No. He probably said "What's wrong with Case?"
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I disagree. The team has plenty of talent across the board. They laid an egg today but I've seen some of the most talented teams you could imagine lay an egg in a season opener. Remember when the Patriots run ended back in 2003 as the Bills destroyed them in the season opener 31-0? Yeah me neither because the same team went on to win 14 games that year and go to the Super Bowl.
The line screwed the pooch but they'll settle down and get it together. Adams will either pick it up or be a problem until X comes back and he either succeeds or he doesn't. We've played good seasons with a weak link on the line (and often in a worse spot than LG). That's going to improve as Jones settles in and they get some chemistry back. Our WR's are frankly kind of impressive. Washington was a revelation yesterday, Hopkins was as advertised and Shorts got involved too. That's the first three WR's catching 6, 9, and 4 balls respectively and that's in a bad losing effort. RB's didn't have the holes they needed (OL) but they did take advantage of the holes they got. 4.7 a carry on a day like that is not something I expected.
The OL needs to sort it out and the QB needs to elevate the play of those around him not drag it down with mistakes and turnovers. Pull Hoyer, insert Mallett, and get the OL more reps together and the offense will be OK.
The defense (also full of talent) looked rusty and slow at times. I know we have a lot of veterans but Wilfork and Joseph needed to play a little this preseason.
I wouldn't be surprised if KJo is opposite Kareem by the end of the year.
Again, they played poorly but there's talent there and they'll get it together. They just got embarrassed following their turn in Hard Knocks and they're going to play like it next week at Carolina. We'll be 1-1 this time next week.
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Hervoyel
BUENO!
Wonder if this is what happened to Ryan Leaf at some point?
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Washington did quite well yesterday and so did Shorts. Both were assets and when Hoyer wasn't handing the ball over or sitting on his ass he was throwing to them and "matriculating the ball down the field."
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Hervoyel
BUENO!
It's refreshing.
Vinnie
with an I E
Hear, hear. One guy seems to get it done when it matters and the other seems to fall apart. I can't help but think about the Brown's game last season when these two were up against each other in a real game, there was no comparison. Mallett dominated compared to Hoyer. That game was also convincingly won without Arian. Here's the box score FWIW:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554343
Kansas city had a very good defense last year, total points, against the pass, & in points. Our team struggled on ST, the run game, & defense. We had two receivers with 100 yard days. Nate Washington & DeAndre Hopkins. Brian Hoyer had some bad drives, he had some decent drives, he had two scoring drives against a very good defense.
I don't want Hoyer to start another game for the Texans, but I don't see OB making a QB change based on yesterday's game.
Yes, I know I mentioned KC has a good defense twice.
Carolina gave up 20 ppg last season. They gave up 225 ypg (7.0 ypa) & a passer rating of 89.5. Hoyer will have a better game next week.
I don't want Hoyer to start another game for the Texans, but I don't see OB making a QB change based on yesterday's game.
Yes, I know I mentioned KC has a good defense twice.
Carolina gave up 20 ppg last season. They gave up 225 ypg (7.0 ypa) & a passer rating of 89.5. Hoyer will have a better game next week.
If OB does the same thing with Hoyer by giving him more games to kind of get into a rhythm like he did with FItz, I may jump on the pink soap this early.
I don't understand why he has Hoyer starting at all when 31 other teams probably wouldn't unless their Qbs were out for the season.
I was just thinking.... I could be absolutely completely wrong with my take on Bill O'Brien.
I just heard his comments after the game, when asked who his starting QB will be going forward & he said he has to look at the film.
If he were thinking, like I was thinking he was thinking.... he wouldn't have to think about it. So that's a good sign, if you want Mallett to start.
I just heard his comments after the game, when asked who his starting QB will be going forward & he said he has to look at the film.
If he were thinking, like I was thinking he was thinking.... he wouldn't have to think about it. So that's a good sign, if you want Mallett to start.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
O'Brien is really shitting the bed in how he's handled the QB situation. Even the "OB can do no wrong" crowd has to admit that much.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
You pretty much have to start Mallett because Hoyer can't handle a blitz. That was the worry during preseason and it jumped out huge in the 1st half yesterday. KC backed off when Mallett came in, no idea if they didn't want to blitz him or just went prevent but the team moved the ball much more effectively with him in. Might as well give him a shot.
I've never really liked Hoyer and was willing to give him a shot because of my faith in OB but seeing him mope around on the sideline after getting pulled just drove me insane. He has such a weak attitude.
I've never really liked Hoyer and was willing to give him a shot because of my faith in OB but seeing him mope around on the sideline after getting pulled just drove me insane. He has such a weak attitude.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Hoyer was in for 11 possessions. 3 ended on turnovers. 6 ended on punts with three 3 & Outs and none lasting longer than 6 plays. 2 scoring drives that were actually decent drives, along with the drive that ended on downs. But 3 out of 11 drives? That's a tough one to spin.
Me neither. I don't think anyone here actually liked Hoyer. So to most of us, it's a no brainer. You start Mallett. But O'Brien never liked Mallett. & that's the way I think we should look at this, if we're trying to figure out what he's going to do.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I hear ya. Trying to find the positives because I think OB is going to ride Hoyer all the way to the pink soap. Wait, that isn't how it was supposed to sound...
PockyAF
Waterboy
you can bet your ass OB will do everything to rush Arian back if Hoyer is still back there next week. He's trying way to hard to make this work w/ Hoyer, even risk the health of Arian for the rest of season.
You would think there would be no way Hoyer would start next week, after the fans booed and demanded Mallett and he gave in to that at the end of game. But who knows.
One thing that makes me sick is someone said he put in Mallett because he 'didn't want Hoyer to get hit anymore'. If that's true than OB's a *****. Live with your decision *****.
You would think there would be no way Hoyer would start next week, after the fans booed and demanded Mallett and he gave in to that at the end of game. But who knows.
One thing that makes me sick is someone said he put in Mallett because he 'didn't want Hoyer to get hit anymore'. If that's true than OB's a *****. Live with your decision *****.
BullsOnParade
Original Rager
Greg Ward for QB
This is what happens when you start a season with nothing but backup QBs on the roster. I "like" Mallet, but I'm not convinced that he's a long term solution.
At some point the "genius QB guru" is going to have to draft a rookie and show what he can really do with unproven potential. Trying to make chicken salad out of chicken **** is bush league and .500 expectations.
At some point the "genius QB guru" is going to have to draft a rookie and show what he can really do with unproven potential. Trying to make chicken salad out of chicken **** is bush league and .500 expectations.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Yep. I don't want to seem unreasonable or impatient but Mallett needs to get on the field and demonstrate that he's more than a backup QB or... "He isn't".
OB better hope he can do it too because grace periods don't last very long around here at this point. I have no problem with OB passing on all those QB's but he better have a plan and it better work or he'll pay the price.
Where did the QB guru thing originate with OB? Did he call himself that? Media? Some other coach or player?
And I'm not saying he should be called one or not, I've just never quite got where people always mock him as one.
And I'm not saying he should be called one or not, I've just never quite got where people always mock him as one.