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Who Starts at QB in Carolina? - Mallett

Mollywhopper said:
Where did the QB guru thing originate with OB? Did he call himself that? Media? Some other coach or player?

And I'm not saying he should be called one or not, I've just never quite got where people always mock him as one.
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I think offensive guru morphed with people assuming that meant QB guru included.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Where did the QB guru thing originate with OB? Did he call himself that? Media? Some other coach or player?

And I'm not saying he should be called one or not, I've just never quite got where people always mock him as one.
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Well, he did coach Tom Brady for a time.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Where did the QB guru thing originate with OB? Did he call himself that? Media? Some other coach or player?

And I'm not saying he should be called one or not, I've just never quite got where people always mock him as one.
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While he was at Penn State he participated as a guest speaker for some football seminars solely focused on quarterback play. He's even made a DVD sharing some of his quarterback techniques for high school and college coaches around the country.

 
Double Barrel said:
This is what happens when you start a season with nothing but backup QBs on the roster. I "like" Mallet, but I'm not convinced that he's a long term solution.

At some point the "genius QB guru" is going to have to draft a rookie and show what he can really do with unproven potential. Trying to make chicken salad out of chicken **** is bush league and .500 expectations.
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I've been sounding off on this aspect since last year....except I term it in that he needs to invest some valuable resources at the position....

Big FA contract (not likely), draft, or trade...

Kubiak invested in his guy his second year here and we have up two 2's for him. I never felt like schaub was an elite talent at the position, but schaub was good to really good at times and Carr was never in his class.

There's some potential prospects out there that may be available....Mettenberger, karpernick, RG3, Hundley, McGloin...

Then there's the draft....

Then there's Mallett and Savage....

He has some options to choose to actually invest in. He can go ahead and get one option out the way this season.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Where did the QB guru thing originate with OB? Did he call himself that? Media? Some other coach or player?

And I'm not saying he should be called one or not, I've just never quite got where people always mock him as one.
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IIRC, it started in NE. He took over as OC with Brady coming off ACL surgery, NE losing Randy Moss, and Josh McDaniels leaving for Denver. The offense didn't skip a beat and he got some credit for that. It really hit stride at Penn State though. Matt McGloin was a pitiful backup walk-on and O'Brien turned him around in a snap and he's now on an NFL roster. Then he made true freshman Hackenberg a Freshman All-American and we all see what Hack has looked like w/o O'Brien. Then he worked some magic on Fitzpatrick on one year in his first year as an NFL HC.

In summary, I'd say a combination of media and his own peers have deemed him such. The jury is still out surely but I do think he is fantastic at managing QB's and playing to their strengths and getting the best out of them. That said, we don't know if he can develop one into a superstar.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Where did the QB guru thing originate with OB? Did he call himself that? Media? Some other coach or player?

And I'm not saying he should be called one or not, I've just never quite got where people always mock him as one.
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I think it was the media that gave him that title.

Here is an NFL.com article dated April 1, 2014, where it states it (it was probably said about him before this article, but just to show how the media has perpetuated it):

Bill O'Brien's history with QBs could mean drafting two of them

O'Brien is a quarterback guru of sorts, and this draft is brimming with quarterback talent. Don't look at his time with New England; he was the quarterback coach and coordinator there, but he arrived after Tom Brady already was established as one of the best quarterbacks in league history. Instead, look what he did in the past two seasons at Penn State, where he turned journeyman Matt McGloin into an NFL player in one year, then helped Christian Hackenberg become the best freshman quarterback in the nation in 2013
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Someone also told me that O'Brien has run QB camps at some point in his career.

My own curiosity is why he hasn't found a raw talent with potential in the draft instead of deciding on backup QBs. I'd rather deal with the learning curve of a young QB than see some loser like Hoyer trotted out there.
 
I appreciate the answers. I honestly never remember reading that stupid term attached to his name.

But when people toss the title back in his face are they angry at the media for not being correct on what they promised or are they mad at OB for not being what they promised? Like OB said in the qb instructional video, first line in, "I do not have the market cornered on this, the exact way, you have to do it."

Just seems phooey. He's a football coach.
 
I have accepted that it will be Hoyer. I don't agree with it at all but it will be.

Texans front office mouth pieces (McClain and now PDS) seem to be pushing the narrative in that direction
 
Mollywhopper said:
Just seems phooey. He's a football coach.
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It always is to some degree. But I understood the use of the term more with Kubiak. 2 HoF QBs publicly credited their best/most successful seasons to him. Then he pulled a great season (by far his best - and only pro bowl) out of Griese. Then he tremendously elevated Plummer (again including his lone pro bowl) who promptly fell off a cliff once he left.

Interesting in that is he didn't pick any of them. IMO he did a good job picking and elevating Schaub as well. Got Flacco's best season.

The title makes sense for him.
 
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I agree there are guys who the title applies. Steve Clarkson, Bill Walsh, even Steve Spurrier to a degree, or George Whitfield, who I don't think is great at it but he clearly defines himself that. And like you said, Kubiak has made a distinction with QBs and so it's fair.

I just think it's phooey with OB. He played DE in his day, has coached TE's, LB's, RB's, WR's, and would probably give an instructional video on how to give instuctional videos if someone asked him. He's a football coach.
 
They thought they had their guy in Schaub and that seemed to be right until his injury then he was not ever the same after that so they retuned to square one in 2013 which is where they still are right now. Not Bill's fault he has not had many options to choose from in just his second season as HC.
 
I want Mallet to start. But my bet is BOB sticks with Hoyer. Mallet isn't a top QB either imo - balls tend to sail, he has general lapses of accuracy, and has been known to toss a pick or two as well, plus he isn't mobile...BUT he can make throws Hoyer can only dream of. His arm talent is far superior and he can throw guys open. He also seems to be able read defenses and blitzes better and has better anticipation. He also leads guys better - at least based on yesterday.

I was ok with "Good" Hoyer. Yesterday we got bad Hoyer and I really don't care to see it again.
 
gary said:
They thought they had their guy in Schaub and that seemed to be right until his injury then he was not ever the same after that so they retuned to square one in 2013 which is where they still are right now. Not Bill's fault he has not had many options to choose from in just his second season as HC.
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They've had options to choose from. And out of all the options he landed on Brian Hoyer.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
They've had options to choose from. And out of all the options he landed on Brian Hoyer.
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& Ryan Fitzpatrick. O'Brien should stop getting a pass for going after other teams castoffs instead of getting a legitimate starting QB. Both Sam Bradford & Nick Foles were traded in the off-season. We probably could have gotten one of them in a Schaub caliber trade (two 2nd rounders).. Instead we're stuck with mediocre QB play from Hoyer.
 
JCTexan said:
& Ryan Fitzpatrick. O'Brien should stop getting a pass for going after other teams castoffs instead of getting a legitimate starting QB. Both Sam Bradford & Nick Foles were traded in the off-season. We probably could have gotten one of them in a Schaub caliber trade (two 2nd rounders).. Instead we're stuck with mediocre QB play from Hoyer.
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Calling Hoyer mediocre is an insult to all the mediocre players out there.
 
JCTexan said:
& Ryan Fitzpatrick. O'Brien should stop getting a pass for going after other teams castoffs instead of getting a legitimate starting QB. Both Sam Bradford & Nick Foles were traded in the off-season. We probably could have gotten one of them in a Schaub caliber trade (two 2nd rounders).. Instead we're stuck with mediocre QB play from Hoyer.
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You want a 50-50 at best QB in Sam Bradford?
 
gary said:
Who would you want that had been available?
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I wanted Teddy, but I honestly don't believe that's relevant to the big picture.

Our head coach has had options and he targeted Hoyer. John McLain (yeah I know) actually said that OB had coveted Hoyer since last season. Not really hard to believe all things considered.

Whatever options out there that the fans wanted doesn't really matter...Bortles, manziel, bridgewater, garroppolo, Hundley, Mallett, rg3, cousins....keeping fitz...

Irrelevant.

Our head coach didn't choose any of those options.

He went out and chose Hoyer and on day one he had that guy with the starters. Not the fans job to be right. It's the teams job.
 
After watching Hoyer in this last game, I'm beginning to wonder, if all those "closed" practices were not closed out of embarrassment.
 
infantrycak said:
No but Foles was in that sentence as well.

Him, yes.
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Well, I'll give you Foles. But, how would you give up with QB play not the only hole to fill? How much of the loss is on poor play overall? Like poor defense and poor play calling?
 
After thinking about this some more, I don't think McNair would even let O'Brien start Hoyer again if he wanted to. Pre 2013 McNair might've allowed it, but now he speaks his mind and he acts upon situations that he doesn't like. The 2013 season and (I would speculate) his bout with cancer affected him deeply.

For McNair, I can only imagine that O'Brien's insistent endorsement of Hoyer -- regardless of universal skepticism -- was bitterly reminiscent of Kubiak's insistence on starting a damaged Matt Schaub. My only hope at this point is that the decision to start Mallett comes from O'Brien, and not McNair.
 
There's got to be something that Obrien doesn't like about Mallet (his Jesse Pinkman demeanor perhaps?) but he waited too long last year to put Mallet in and he didn't pick him to start this season either.

I've liked Obrien so far, but if he can't even figure out the best QB on this team I'm going to really start doubting his abilities.
 
A must read for Hoyer vs. Mallet vs other QB and passer ratings!

Ryan Mallett's total QBR Sunday ranked among top-10 quarterbacks
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  • Tania Ganguli, ESPN Staff Writer

HOUSTON -- Ryan Mallett's day wasn't perfect by any means, but what the Houston Texans got out of him in their season opener was one of the better performances by quarterbacks so far in Week 1.

Mallett's 85.9 Total QBR for those six minutes and 10 second he played ranked seventh this week, behind Tennessee's Marcus Mariota, Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers, New England's Tom Brady, Cincinnati's Andy Dalton, Cleveland's Josh McCown (who didn't play much due to a concussion early) and Buffalo's Tyrod Taylor.

It was a small sample size, but that was better than starter Brian Hoyer's Total QBR for any individual quarter. Hoyer had Total QBRs of 42.2 in the first quarter, 0.7 in the second, 32.1 in the third and 0.0 for his one fourth-quarter drive during which he attempted two passes, both incomplete, and was hit with an intentional grounding penalty.

The Total QBR stat is on a scale from zero to 100 and accounts for the situations in which the quarterback accrued his stats.

The same held true by the more traditional measure of passer rating. Mallett's 110.4 passer rating ranked ninth in the NFL so far this week, while Hoyer's was 78.3 in the first quarter, 68.8 in the second, 84.7 in the third and 39.6 in the fourth.

Hoyer had a Total QBR of 12.3, the second lowest among quarterbacks who started or saw significant playing time. Only rookie Jameis Winston was worse.

Hoyer's own analysis might have said it best.

"It couldn’t have gone any worse, you know what I mean," Hoyer said. "Obviously, I feel terrible. I feel like I let this whole entire organization down. It just went from bad to worse. I really just couldn’t fight back."
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Seth Payne mentioned earlier on his show that in Hoyer's last five pro starts, he's had 1 TD and 10 turnovers. That's just pathetic. Hard not to look at O'Brien funny when you read that stat line.
 
The Texans are either going to have trade up in the draft or make a trade for their franchise QB. So, RGIII maybe?
 
If it was Hoyer, wouldn't he just say its Hoyer and defend him based on the poor play of everyone around him? Again, after pulling him he can't go back to Hoyer. If he wanted him to start week 2 he leaves him in there to finish the game and get more reps.

I hope logic prevails.
 
markn said:
Also says he already knows.

This whole mess is being very poorly managed in my opinion.
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Yea I think he is putting all of the players on the team in a shitty situation. Now they will be bombed with questions regarding the starter. Just announce it and move on with life.
 
His pressers are Kubiak-esque ... really tries to deflect blame onto himself, or obfuscate by saying "have to do better as a team".
 
robroy72 said:
His pressers are Kubiak-esque ... really tries to deflect blame onto himself, or obfuscate by saying "have to do better as a team".
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His pressers are coach-esque. Standard practice.

Fans don't like coach-speak, because they want to hear somebody throwing somebody else under the bus.

Too bad!
 
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I say they should target Robert Griffin and take a chance. The idea is the same as trading for Bradford or Foles several months ago.
 
He's trying to be cute. I don't like the BS. Like Carolina is scared of either one? It's not like he's deciding between Brady and Manning. Sure there may be a little different ways a D might attack either but give me a break. They will be ready for either one. I do agree that this seems on the surface like a nod to Mallet but you never know. Like I said, he's trying to be cute.
 
robroy72 said:
OB just said we'll have to wait for the 1st snap in the game to find out who the QB will be.
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And better yet when asked if he knew who would start in Carolina, he said "yes". Why should he give a name ? By keeping it a secret it makes preperation by Carolina a bit more problematic.
 
My guess is there were too many protection issues and overall miscues on the offensive side of the ball for him to really put alot of the blame on Hoyer for how they performed. Hoyer will be given the opportunity to go in as the starter against Carolina.....the hook is not too far away for him though and we could see Mallet as early as the 2nd half if Hoyer starts stinking up the joint again.
 
gary said:
You want a 50-50 at best QB in Sam Bradford?
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I would easily take Bradford over Hoyer, yes. Bradford's main problem have been his injuries.

gary said:
Well, I'll give you Foles. But, how would you give up with QB play not the only hole to fill? How much of the loss is on poor play overall? Like poor defense and poor play calling?
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The whole team played crappy but you aren't going to win any games when the QB gives the other team 14 points.
 
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