gary
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Well, you have to do something and many were alright with trading for two unknowns already.
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Who Starts at QB in Carolina? - Mallett
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corytx8
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Kaiser Toro
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Mallett starts since more importantly than losing the fan base, he would lose the team. That is unless the player leadership was in Hoyers court based on practice performance.
The first half was dismal, but unlike past years where our coaches could or would not adjust, and players would lack the fight - this team still finds away to take a hit and get back into the game.
Expectations are playoffs and based on what I saw in the league yesterday, we can still get there
The first half was dismal, but unlike past years where our coaches could or would not adjust, and players would lack the fight - this team still finds away to take a hit and get back into the game.
Expectations are playoffs and based on what I saw in the league yesterday, we can still get there
Uh what?? 3 concussions, and 3 knee injuries, can't stay on the field Robert Griffin?
Pass.
I think Mallet is better than RGIII and he's already on our team.
gary
Hall of Fame
I like Sam too but let's not have a big contract and a broken QB here. Just saying.
JCTexan
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Just saying there were better options available than Hoyer. I'm done giving O'Brien a break because he's choosing to go with shitty QB's.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
I'd be down for that idea if Ryan Mallett becomes the starter and doesn't perform well. I think we first have to take a good hard look at Mallett over the next several games. I thought Mallett looked really good in the fourth quarter against the Chiefs.
November 3 at 4 PM Eastern is the 2015 NFL trading deadline so there's a lot of time to still evaluate the roster and potentially make a move before then. We would have played our 8th game and be halfway done after November 1 against the Titans, and we enter the bye week and won't play again until November 16 against the Bengals on Monday Night. So those 15 days give us ample time to make some roster changes if needed.
So if we made a trade before the deadline (Robert Griffin III for example), we'd have enough time to get some practice time in before our ninth game and perhaps work in a new quarterback if it came down to that. Hopefully Ryan Mallett steps up and becomes the man. He has that opportunity right now.
For now there is no reason to trade for a quarterback. Talk to me after the November 1 game against the Titans. If our record is lousy after eight games and our quarterbacks are struggling then I'd be down to make an RG3 deal before November 3 at 4 PM Eastern.
It's all about timing Gary buddy. We can't afford to panic too soon.
And knowing Rick Smith he probably doesn't have the guts to do it.
We'd likely wait until the off-season to make a quarterback upgrade.
Any future struggles with this team and it's Rick Smith on the hot seat. He's already survived our last coaching regime. He isn't going to last past another.
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I haven't ever liked Sam even in his Sooner days
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
EVERYTHING on O runs thru the QB. I'd have happily made the Schaub deal for Foles.
Foles is 6'5" 244 lbs of prototype with success in the NFL and an arm.
Water
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Broken running midget with a bad wheel and an attitude? No thanks.
Exactly.
See we agree sometimes.
2 years in a row the team has looked more energetic when Mallett has strolled into the game. I don't think the "unless" is a concern.
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I hope Hoyer starts. He can cement himself as #2 QB only because Savage is IR'd.
Did anyone else notice how angry Mallett played when he came in on that TD drive? He was a mad man.
I liked his press conference. He all but said Hoyer sucked in the beginning of the game. It is worth a watch. And the whole "that was two weeks ago" was awesome.
Then Hoyer is up there looking like a squirrel who had his nuts stolen.
Did anyone else notice how angry Mallett played when he came in on that TD drive? He was a mad man.
I liked his press conference. He all but said Hoyer sucked in the beginning of the game. It is worth a watch. And the whole "that was two weeks ago" was awesome.
Then Hoyer is up there looking like a squirrel who had his nuts stolen.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
But we have to evaluate him over more games. Last season was a waste since he had gotten hurt during his second start against the Bengals and only played in three games total. I'd like to see him start these next seven games at the very least. Make it to the trading deadline with more on film. For a lack of better words, Ryan Mallett is still a 27-year-old rookie to me. At least in terms of on-the-field experience. He's played in 8 total NFL regular-season games!!!! That's half a rookie season in my eyes. He may know the system well but playing is what counts.
gary
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not you but many on here and facebook were okay with it and both are hurt badly so back to my point about there being a sliver lining when trading for players who are injury prone.
It just goes back to the same old question of who is even out there that we could get.
Do you take your chances trading for hurt and in my opinion not very good QB's or do you run with what you have available now?
Obrien just needs to pull his head out and go with the racehorse he does have in his stable right now.
Here we go with the Rick Smith **** again.
It's hilarious how everyone here thinks he's nothing but a McNair lapdog. So, if he doesn't have that much power, why would he be in the hot seat?
Why wouldn't O'Brien be in the hot seat?
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Even if Hoyer plays well his long-term future here is bleak. I'd like to see what we have in Ryan Mallett, who at 27 years old is entering his prime years, just to know if he's worth keeping for the next four or five years. If that question can't be answered this season then we'd be better off still looking for a franchise quarterback. Tom Savage has gotten hurt himself two years in a row.
Franchise quarterbacks are tough and find ways to stay healthy even when their body is in tremendous pain. So I'm doubtful we even have one on our roster right now but I'm hoping Ryan Mallett can become that guy.
Franchise quarterbacks are tough and find ways to stay healthy even when their body is in tremendous pain. So I'm doubtful we even have one on our roster right now but I'm hoping Ryan Mallett can become that guy.
gary
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So the choice not to target Hopkins very often in the first half or the lack of a running game lies all on Hoyer?
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Bill O'Brien had a very successful 9-7 rookie campaign. Some of the all-time greatest head coaches in NFL history didn't even have that much success as a rookie head coach. O'Brien is going to have job security for at least four or five seasons. Maybe longer if he has a good second and third year. 0-1 in year two. 9-8 overall. I'm not too worried.Here we go with the Rick Smith **** again.
It's hilarious how everyone here thinks he's nothing but a McNair lapdog. So, if he doesn't have that much power, why would he be in the hot seat?
Why wouldn't O'Brien be in the hot seat?
I still think we can fight our way back into playoff contention. I'm just pointing out if this team does go off course it's Rick Smith's job on the line. There will be no more "Head coach as a scape-goat" this time. He won't be able to throw O'Brien under the bus like he did with Kubiak. A coach that led us to a pair of wild-card wins over the Bengals and two excellent seasons in a row.
All of those missed second, third and fourth-round draft picks have hurt this team no matter who's been the head coach. Sure, the head coach has a lot of input on the picks as well but the one constant has been Rick Smith.
gary
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I agree with you.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but Mallett came in and immediately targeted Hopkins 6 times on the 8 point drive...
3 completions to Hopkins, a PI against Chiefs that was targeted for Hopkins, the TD pass, and the 2 point conversion. It was like, "I'm hitting D-Hop until you guys prove you can stop it."
3 completions to Hopkins, a PI against Chiefs that was targeted for Hopkins, the TD pass, and the 2 point conversion. It was like, "I'm hitting D-Hop until you guys prove you can stop it."
No doubt.
And did you notice he was able to get those PI calls because he actually had the ball somewhere near the receiver to catch, lol
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Hoyer and OB/Godsey.
What you think the DBs said f'k that strong armed bastard let's ignore Nuk now?
The running game (other than short yardage) was non-existent because of play calling and Hoyer putting us behind the 8 ball.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Sadly, at a critical moment Hoyer hit Hopkins' hands on a 3rd and 1 screen but Hopkins dropped it. I think he was thinking of making a big gain out of it. All we needed was the catch and first down. We ended up going for 4th and 1 and Blue got stuffed for a two-yard loss. Turnover on downs. At the time that was so deflating. If we pick up a score there who knows what could have happened. We barely lost 27-20 as it was with a prideful comeback.
To be fair Hoyer did throw some catchable balls and our guys didn't make the play for him like they did with Mallett. Part of that may be the Chiefs rested on a big lead. They played some prevent defense late in the fourth as well. We hit some big gains in the passing game. Leading 27-9 going into the 4th quarter there is a tendency for a defense to allow some big passing plays.
Again, Ryan Mallett has a better upside than Brian Hoyer.
But I'm not going to be upset if Hoyer makes one more start.
Truth be told, to a man, everybody has to step the f^ck up!
ThaJokaa
True Texans Fan
gary
Hall of Fame
But, why the change in targeting from Hoyer to Mallet?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Had noticed but now...
To join past AJ and current QB threads...
OB hates that (hypothesis). Dumps every QB's safety blanket and picks the QB that will throw to the 5th rd rookie because 'that's the system' rather than play the guy whose instinct is 'I'm going to beat you with my top guy until you roll so much coverage his way Shorts is sitting on a slant snickering like Mutley.'
Just a theory.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
That does make sense to me.
gary
Hall of Fame
Nope, I was just asking and I also believe there were missed calls too.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
It's always hard for me to tell, because the reciever was stopped or slowed down too much, but he did get the call and you're probably right about that.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
True enough. LOL
2nd half: Chiefs scored 0 points.
It sucks because if we played the Chiefs again we'd likely win.
I still think we're a better team. It showed in the second half yesterday.
We have some positives to build on going into Carolina for Week 2.
One bad half of football Week 1 doesn't make or break an entire season.
I heard Andy Reid in his post-game interview praising the Texans and saying they beat a very good team on the road. He looked like he was relieved to be leaving NRG Stadium with a win. He knows the Texans hand wrapped that game like a generous gift in that first half.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
C'mon O'Brien dont become a joke. Waiting until Sunday to name a QB? Weak. Funny though Im sure if you're Carolina having to gameplan for 2 QB's meand having to gameplan for ZERO QB's.
We all know who Hoyer is ... in his last 10 games he has 13 ints , 23 sacks & 6 TD's
We don't have that definition of Mallett. It's time to do what's best for the franchise long term , not just trying to finish .500 ....
Play Mallett , let him prove himself of play us into position to draft a QB early.
We don't have that definition of Mallett. It's time to do what's best for the franchise long term , not just trying to finish .500 ....
Play Mallett , let him prove himself of play us into position to draft a QB early.
ThaJokaa
True Texans Fan
He already knows whose going to start, he said so himself. He just doesnt want to tell us because its going to be Hoyer, and he will receive a **** ton of hate for that decision. So instead of being critiqued and scrutinized all week, he avoided it and will deal with the backlash after Sundays game.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Exactly - Hoyer is not it. Let Mallett play to prove he is or we have none and are in position to get one.
Mr teX
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I'm not willing to throw a season away on experimenting..If OB thinks Hoyer is the guy to keep us competitive throughout the season, then play him, if not, play the other guy. I remember 2014 when kubiak was scrambling trying to save his job by putting Keenum just to try something..Have no desire to see that again.
Fundamentally there's no difference in who OB chooses to plays anyway. If Hoyer starts his customary 12-14 games and we suck like everyone thinks we will with him at the helm, we're picking high in the draft & i think the pressure to pick a qb in the draft ramps up on OB. If we make the change to Mallet to "see what we have" (lol) and we still suck, we're picking high in the draft as well anyway. The only difference is that some seem to believe that the latter option is somehow better for this team long term b/c now we have "info" on Mallet to "know" that he sucks.....which couldn't be further from the truth imo.
The most likely scenario is that he comes in and performs just average to below average & we're riding the qb purgatory train for the next 2 years trying to figure out if he's the guy or not. I can hear the rationale now about why we should continue with Mallet despite his avg. to bad play & they sound eerily similar to the Keenum reasoning. The team has to either bottom out completely with suck, or we have to sell our soul to move up and take a top guy & If there's ever a qb to help us bottom out without necessarily waiving the white flag on the season, its Hoyer.
In Robert Frost's words, the only way out, is through....... lol.
Fundamentally there's no difference in who OB chooses to plays anyway. If Hoyer starts his customary 12-14 games and we suck like everyone thinks we will with him at the helm, we're picking high in the draft & i think the pressure to pick a qb in the draft ramps up on OB. If we make the change to Mallet to "see what we have" (lol) and we still suck, we're picking high in the draft as well anyway. The only difference is that some seem to believe that the latter option is somehow better for this team long term b/c now we have "info" on Mallet to "know" that he sucks.....which couldn't be further from the truth imo.
The most likely scenario is that he comes in and performs just average to below average & we're riding the qb purgatory train for the next 2 years trying to figure out if he's the guy or not. I can hear the rationale now about why we should continue with Mallet despite his avg. to bad play & they sound eerily similar to the Keenum reasoning. The team has to either bottom out completely with suck, or we have to sell our soul to move up and take a top guy & If there's ever a qb to help us bottom out without necessarily waiving the white flag on the season, its Hoyer.
In Robert Frost's words, the only way out, is through....... lol.
Grams
Veteran
I have thought about this all day. Maybe OB was remembering Hoyer before he got broke in Cleveland. With the limited playing time during pre-season you really could not tell how bad he would be in a real game. Maybe he wanted Hoyer to come in for a year till Savage was ready and that was why Savage played a lot in the pre-season?
But we all know what Hoyer brings to the table. We do not know what Mallet brings yet. He may be the QB we are looking for or he may not. But until we see him play a lot more we will never know. We should start Mallet so we can find out.
But we all know what Hoyer brings to the table. We do not know what Mallet brings yet. He may be the QB we are looking for or he may not. But until we see him play a lot more we will never know. We should start Mallet so we can find out.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Bill O'Brien could always pull a Dan Reeves and alternate Hoyer and Mallett every single play. Dan Reeves once did that as head coach of the Denver Broncos back on December 6, 1992 against the Dallas Cowboys. The Cowboys won that game 31-27.
Reeves was without injured starter John Elway, so he used two quarterbacks Tommy Maddox and Shawn Moore, and swapped them every single play. Ironically it was wide receiver Arthur Marshall who threw the biggest pass in that game. An 81-yard Touchdown pass.
But game planning for two different quarterbacks has happened before. Literally. LOL. I remember watching that game on CBS. I was in the 6th grade at the time. Dallas was the best team in the league those days. But their defense actually gave up some big plays in that game. I think it's harder to try and stop entirely different quarterbacks. Look at the Chiefs defense? Ryan Mallett exposed them quite a bit when he came in.
Sounds good, but more likely "play them into position" to find another diamond in the rough career backup to work guru magic on.
I'm not saying throw in the towel on the season .... but its pretty obvious that Hoyer is what Hoyer is .... in his last 10 games he has been picked off 13 times , sacked 26 and thrown 6 TD's. We know exactly who he is and what he is capable of. The Browns realized it and walked away.
Mallett .... we don't know if he's the next Hoyer or the next Marino .... he hasn't had the opportunity to show us.
If Mallett is just another Hoyer , we end up 6-10 or worse. If Mallett is Dan Marino .... we could end up 11-5. I'd take either result over the known of Hoyer being a downgrade to Fitzpatrick .... read that again , a downgrade to Ryan Freakin FitzCrapTrick!
Vance87
All Pro
So far Kubiak has 7 more years of head coaching experience than OB, so you really can't compare.
Yeah but by his second year we all knew what Kubiak wanted to do at the qb position.
I'm still trying to figure out what OB wants to do with Hoyer and Mallett.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
So far in year 2 Kubiak (with constraints on year 1) had made his play. Yeah, you really can compare.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Considering the overall struggles 1st time starting qbs have and their records, you would be effectively throwing a season away..that type of experimenting is reserved for a coach's hand picked guy b/c your job is often linked to that guy; and I don't think OB wants to put his job in the hands of Mallet like that. you also just proved my point. Mallet comes in and leads us to a 6-10 record looking unstoppable against the jags and bucs of the world and hapless against top teams, the conversation then turns into whether or not he's a donkey or if improved weaponry and play around him could make him better. we'll likely spend another year trying to figure that crap out. QB purgatory.
The rub here for me is how much potential does this guy REALLY have. I'm simply not convinced that it's as high as everyone thinks it is...i just figure that it would've shown itself in a big way with OB in some form by now making his decision a helluva lot easier in the offseason..... and Mallet would've gotten more interest in the offseason than he did....
As I said I don't care who starts at qb, all I care about is having an enjoyable season of football where my team is in it trying to make the playoffs...I cringe at the thought of treating this season like a triple A baseball team where people pay attention to it only to check out their team's prospects.
Vance87
All Pro
I didn't realize that's how we judged success. Okay then.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
So in summary - you have analysis paralysis.
You non sequitured big time. Now twice. Happy to talk about the contrast in the 1st 2 years in Kubiak and OB QB selection if you'd like.