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What's wrong with Watson?

Concur 100%. Hopefully this all clears up in OTA and preseason. I don't want this QB yo-yo to continue during the season. I will say this; I fully expect Savage to get dinged up. At the point DW should take QB1 and not let it go.

This is what I see happening.

I dont see Watson winning the QB job out of TC.
 
It's a win-win for Savage if he plays well this season. Either he solidifies the starting gig here or parlays a good year into a contract with another team.

Emphasis on IF, though. Big IF.
he can get a good paycheck or end up being a David Carr roaming from team to team as a backup's backup getting million $ here million $ there. If he does well, Plan A is to sign him and prepare Watson for later. Plan B is if he is offered goofy $ another team, we get a comp pick.
 
Scenario one:
Savage gets dinged up early.
Watson comes in and definitely is nowhere ready to run this incompetent but "complex" offense we know of.

Best hope: The D plays even better than in years past.
Foreman is signed and play well enough without injury.
The Tacks and the Colts don't improve enough and the Jags still can't figure out what to do to help Bortles overcome his deficiencies.

9-7 and another early exit.
At best.

If Savage goes down and O'Brien continues not to adapt his offense to Watson, it will be a disastrous season.

Even if OB adapts to Watson's game early, he would run a risk of Watson getting hurt.

There's no gain that is worth the risk of letting Watson play the way he did in college.

The competitive fire will prompt him to take off and run.

I can't stress enough the difference in playing style between Watson and Wilson.

It still irks me to this day that the Texans didn't draft Wilson.

They could have had Wilson and Keenum as the backup QB.

But then again, not too many peeps in the draft forum thought those were good ideas.

Freak, I even threw in Cousins in addition.
 
Why talk about a bunch of QBs we don't have?
Because that's the root of the incompetence in this organization.

On this end, I would say Rick Smith.

Kubiak was fine with Schaub at the time, but the GM needs to have long term vision at the QB position.

McNair kept telling us that it's difficult to find those guys with franchise potential; and they missed the best chances by several miles.
 
...Kubiak was fine with Schaub at the time, but the GM needs to have long term vision at the QB position..
We still have no long term vision at the QB position and no one on this board really seems to care. I keep mentioning the dire situation we face in 2018 and no one has any comment or opinion on this looming situation. The organization will address this problem come January of 2018.
 
We still have no long term vision at the QB position and no one on this board really seems to care. I keep mentioning the dire situation we face in 2018 and no one has any comment or opinion on this looming situation. The organization will address this problem come January of 2018.

They do have a long vision for that position. Unfortunately they swung and missed on the Brock signing. Now they just drafted the best QB in this year's draft D. Watson. They are hoping he's the answer
 
We still have no long term vision at the QB position and no one on this board really seems to care. I keep mentioning the dire situation we face in 2018 and no one has any comment or opinion on this looming situation. The organization will address this problem come January of 2018.

What looming situation? Intended starter Watson is signed well past then. Guys like Weeden are a dime a dozen and it will easy to re-sign him. He s done nothing to improve his market since arriving. What suddenly he will be seen as a starter? Frankly there are plenty of Savages floating around too or draft another one.
 
If our long term plan is to have Weeden as Watson's backup, why haven't we extended his contract? If our long term plan is to hope we can resign Weeden after he becomes a free agent, that's no plan. Seems to me the organization isn't placing enough value on the backup position. You better hope Watson stays healthy..
 
If our long term plan is to have Weeden as Watson's backup, why haven't we extended his contract? If our long term plan is to hope we can resign Weeden after he becomes a free agent, that's no plan. Seems to me the organization isn't placing enough value on the backup position. You better hope Watson stays healthy..

I think most recognize the importance of the qb position, but at this point what exactly are you wanting them to do about the future of the back up qb position?
 
I think most recognize the importance of the qb position, but at this point what exactly are you wanting them to do about the future of the back up qb position?
My comment was directed at 76's comment that the Texans' haven't taken a long term view in the past. I simply pointed out that they still are't taking a long term position. There's not much they can do now. They should have drafted two QB's with plans to release Weeden, going into the season with Watson as #2.
 
If our long term plan is to have Weeden as Watson's backup, why haven't we extended his contract? If our long term plan is to hope we can resign Weeden after he becomes a free agent, that's no plan. Seems to me the organization isn't placing enough value on the backup position. You better hope Watson stays healthy..

They will address the backup role in do time. They are seeing how this season unfold. They also have bigger fish to fry, like extending Hopkins and if Clowney continue to improve they will have to pay him big time in 2018. So there is no rush to sign a future backup. Lol
 
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Even if OB adapts to Watson's game early, he would run a risk of Watson getting hurt.

There's no gain that is worth the risk of letting Watson play the way he did in college.

The competitive fire will prompt him to take off and run.

I can't stress enough the difference in playing style between Watson and Wilson.
Letting Watson play the way he did in college = taking off and running?
Imho If people think Watson's legs made him a top prospect then they don't understand Watson as a prospect.

Also, in the NFL EVERYONE is at risk. The injury rate is 100%. Pocket passers and "running QBs" alike.
 
Letting Watson play the way he did in college = taking off and running?
Imho If people think Watson's legs made him a top prospect then they don't understand Watson as a prospect.

Also, in the NFL EVERYONE is at risk. The injury rate is 100%. Pocket passers and "running QBs" alike.
I can see from other conversation that it's best for me to refrain from responding.
Maybe in the future.
Peace.
 
Aren't you guys glad you don't live in Cleveland and root for the Browns.

I have just gotten to the point where the Texans will do whatever they want, however they want to do it.
I am still a fan and will watch the games in the comfort of my living room with cheap food, drink and my own private potty and probably still in my jammies.

Just decided there is little point to argue over what they should have done instead of what they have done. Hell if any of us was any good at picking the right players in the draft or free agency or where those players should be lined up, we would have a nice cushy job with an NFL team.
 
Aren't you guys glad you don't live in Cleveland and root for the Browns.

I have just gotten to the point where the Texans will do whatever they want, however they want to do it.
I am still a fan and will watch the games in the comfort of my living room with cheap food, drink and my own private potty and probably still in my jammies.

Just decided there is little point to argue over what they should have done instead of what they have done. Hell if any of us was any good at picking the right players in the draft or free agency or where those players should be lined up, we would have a nice cushy job with an NFL team.

Not really, their new front office looks pretty sharp.

With their picks plus ours, they have a chance to get pretty good.
 
It was all Jeff Fisher's fault. He should have just let "Vince be Vince".
No it is never the head coaches fault when a young quarterback fails. Plus Jeff Fisher is a great head coach who has had a ton of success with quarterbacks aside from VY.

Okay, I couldn't type that with a straight face. I just couldn't resist.
 
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QB 1 Tom Savage QB 2 Watson QB 3 2018 draft Mike White Western Kentucky 6'3" 215 as Junior 2016
280/416 67.3 % 4,363 yds @ 10.5 avg 37 TDs 7 INTs

Long time view if Savage gone Watson moves #1 with back up White.
 
QB 1 Tom Savage QB 2 Watson QB 3 2018 draft Mike White Western Kentucky 6'3" 215 as Junior 2016
280/416 67.3 % 4,363 yds @ 10.5 avg 37 TDs 7 INTs

Long time view if Savage gone Watson moves #1 with back up White.


I find it very far fetched that Savage would still be the #1 qb heading into the 2018 season.
 
I find it very far fetched that Savage would still be the #1 qb heading into the 2018 season.
I understand your POV but mine is that could happen. Like other QBs, we can go back and forth pro and con. As I said, if Savage is gone for whatever reason Watson moves up and a 2018 draft pick competes. That is my long term plan and apparently it is Texans. I say it is their plan to move forward with what they have and adjust with pick next year.
 
I find it very far fetched that Savage would still be the #1 qb heading into the 2018 season.
I understand your POV but mine is that could happen. Like other QBs, we can go back and forth pro and con. As I said, if Savage is gone for whatever reason Watson moves up and a 2018 draft pick competes. That is my long term plan and apparently it is Texans. I say it is their plan to move forward with what they have and adjust with pick next year.
 
I find it very far fetched that Savage would still be the #1 qb heading into the 2018 season.
I'm looking forward to, and a bit nervous about, how this all plays out. In my ideal scenario, Savage takes the Texans to a :Lombardi: and they get two 1's and two 2's for Watson or Watson comes in due to a Savage injury (after having played extremely well) and the Texans get a good draft pick for Savage and Watson takes the Texans to the Promised Land. Hell, I won't be mad if Weeden takes the Texans to the Promised Land, the they trade Savage for a draft pick and keep Watson as the QB of the future. Win win win
 
I understand your POV but mine is that could happen. Like other QBs, we can go back and forth pro and con. As I said, if Savage is gone for whatever reason Watson moves up and a 2018 draft pick competes. That is my long term plan and apparently it is Texans. I say it is their plan to move forward with what they have and adjust with pick next year.

I don't know why you say this. I know they are talking about Savage as the starter THIS year but if they expected him to be the long term answer they wouldn't have moved up for Watson.
 
I don't know why you say this. I know they are talking about Savage as the starter THIS year but if they expected him to be the long term answer they wouldn't have moved up for Watson.

That would actually make Watson the backup plan if Savage doesn't show substantial progress. If Savage wasn't the answer in anyone's eyes, they could have put him on market knowing that Watson was the immediate answer.

O'Brien appears fully prepared to see what his 3 year development plan will do now that he's been handed the reins to this team. I fully believe that O'Brien is aware that in many ways, he's coaching for his HC job with the Texans this year. If his desire would be to buy time with the FO, then the safest move he could have made would be to get Watson under C right away and let him develop for a couple of seasons, this way if the team finished at 9-7 or below it could be explained as a rookie QB development period.

I think O'Brien has decided to push all his chips into the center of the table and will make this stand with Savage at the helm and himself acting as the OC. If it doesn't work out, then RS may get his wish of finding a new HC. If it works out in O'Brien's favor, it definitely gives him the upper hand and possibly more power in putting this team together going forward.
 
I don't know why you say this. I know they are talking about Savage as the starter THIS year but if they expected him to be the long term answer they wouldn't have moved up for Watson.

Not only that, OB has shown repeatedly that he won't just let one QB take down the ship if he is stinking it up on the field. He'll put Watson in there if Savage is struggling immensely.
 
That would actually make Watson the backup plan if Savage doesn't show substantial progress. If Savage wasn't the answer in anyone's eyes, they could have put him on market knowing that Watson was the immediate answer.

O'Brien appears fully prepared to see what his 3 year development plan will do now that he's been handed the reins to this team. ...

I think O'Brien has decided to push all his chips into the center of the table and will make this stand with Savage at the helm and himself acting as the OC.

I'm not seeing that.

If O'b was so far against Watson I think he'd have found a way not to be at the press conference being a good teammate.

He's a Texans & when I say, "The Texans have little confidence in Ssvage." I'm talking about O'b as well.

I don't think it's as simple as O'b buying time with the front office. Despite reports I believe O'b wants to be here. I believe McNair wants him here. I believe O'b needs to & has made concessions. I believe McNair needs to & has made concessions. This year will be about if they've done enough to continue the relationship beyond this season.
 
T If Savage wasn't the answer in anyone's eyes, they could have put him on market knowing that Watson was the immediate answer.

What market did/does Savage have at this point? Watson is a total unknown, they don't know he's an answer, they are certainly hoping so but no one is sure. And most know he's not an immediate answer
 
set the bar low that way anything positive is a surprise. I get that, Texan fans have such QB envy and embarrassment issues, for good reason, its not even funny :kubepalm:
 
What market did/does Savage have at this point? Watson is a total unknown, they don't know he's an answer, they are certainly hoping so but no one is sure. And most know he's not an immediate answer

Agreed, Savage had/has no market. If Watson ends up being the eventual long term answer, hopefully Savage does well enough this season to build a market for a trade.
 
What market did/does Savage have at this point? Watson is a total unknown, they don't know he's an answer, they are certainly hoping so but no one is sure. And most know he's not an immediate answer
you sort of answer your question to me at #233; Savage is a cheap player in his 4th year in system on a team that most say does not have to have much more than a "good" QB and a season without losing key guys to injuries. Let's say Savage is that "good" player that wins 12 regular games & Texans make it to SB but lose. Of course we offer him an extension. He has a cap of $765,146. The offer could be very lucrative but not crazy money. He will be 28 next April and the beginning of new deal. A customary deal of 4-5 years puts TS at 32 -33. We know teams that have had good fortune to have #2 QB sit and learn. As unknown but a possible franchise guy, plus no guarantee TS can lead team, I can see a team making trade for Watson. Smart move imo. Watson turns 22 Sept 14th.
 
TexansWire.USAToday.com
Tom Savage should be the Texans QB Week 1--and it’s not even close

By: Cole Thompson | June 7, 2017 9:09 am ET

Tom Savage is not the long-term option for the Houston Texans at quarterback.

When GM Rick Smith basically traded away his next two first round picks for the Cleveland Browns to pick up Brock Osweiler’s horrendous contract, it was all but clear he was in the market to find the long-term option at quarterback somewhere in 2017. After missing out on grabbing Tony Romo and refusing to deal with the media fiasco that is known as Jay Cutler, Smith put all the eggs in the basket to move up 13 spots and select Clemson quarterback DeShaun Watson.

He arrived coming off a two-time appearance to the Heisman Trophy ceremony, consecutive trips to the National Championship-winning one against the top-ranked defense in America. In a way, when Watson stepped onto the stage to meet Commissioner Goodell, it felt to many like their prayers had finally been answered in Houston.

As a native Houstonian for nearly 22 years, seeing Watson put on the classic Deep Steel Blue jersey for the first time was a bone-chilling feeling. I remember looking over from my dining room table as my twin brother, clad in his Liberty White J.J. Watt jersey, weeping tears of joy for a team he has supported since the franchise began in 2002.

All seemed right in the “Space City” that night, the rocket was launched and Watson was headed to the stars.

Spoiler alert: Watson’s rocket will still have mechanical issues when the Jaguars enter NRG Stadium on September, 10th. He’ll be still sitting on the bench waiting for the green light from the staff for all-systems-go.

As he should be.

Even with the battles of OTA’s looking neck and neck, Savage has been spotted taking first-team reps while Watson is still developing under O’Brien.

The controversy of the great battle that will peruse between Savage and Watson this summer to the naked eye might seem like it’s neck and neck. The fact is, it’s not even close; Savage is the clear front runner.............................THE REST OF THE STORY
 
In summary, 'on the field Watson has already caught up to Savage but I like Savagse so it really isn't close and here are some rationalizations in support.'

I think my upgraded keyboard translates better than your translator.:)


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I wish these writers would stop using the narrative of not being close. They really don't have a clue. We all know Savage will be the day 1 starter if all goes well. Meaning he doesn't get injured or completely poops the bed during preseason. These writers are just repeating what other writers have written.
Lazy Journalism
 
In summary, 'on the field Watson has already caught up to Savage but I like Savage so it really isn't close and here are some rationalizations in support.'
What about Eric Decker to the Texans?
I found that article more interesting...
If the Jets can't trade him they'll release him.
 
What about Eric Decker to the Texans?
I found that article more interesting...
If the Jets can't trade him they'll release him.
You mean the Eric Decker who last Oct. 18 underwent major surgery on his hip to repair a torn labrum..........and was also in need of major shoulder surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff............but couldn't have it until Nov. 15 because he had to wait a month until he no longer needed crutches (that needed to be supported by his shoulder) in order to walk............THAT Eric Decker??? :mcnugget:
 
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You mean the Eric Decker who last Oct. 18 underwent major surgery on his hip to repair a torn labrum..........and was also in need of major shoulder surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff............but couldn't have it until Nov. 15 because he had to wait a month until he no longer needed crutches (that needed to be supported by his shoulder) in order to walk............THAT Eric Decker??? :mcnugget:

No one has a more fitting avatar than Dr Death
 
You mean the Eric Decker who last Oct. 18 underwent major surgery on his hip to repair a torn labrum..........and was also in need of major shoulder surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff............but couldn't have it until Nov. 15 because he had to wait a month until he no longer needed crutches (that needed to be supported by his shoulder) in order to walk............THAT Eric Decker??? :mcnugget:


Well.... other than that...... :crutch:can you think of any reason we shouldn't sign him. :D

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