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What's wrong with Watson?

thunderkyss said:
I'd have liked to have seen a lot more screens & slants last year. Easy stuff to get a rhythm QB in rhythm.

I'd have also liked to have seen more sweeps & tosses to the RBs to get them on the edge or in space.

I'd have liked to have seen more Lamar Miller, & Jonathan Grimes in the passing game.
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Yes. Wholeheartedly agree. However, none of those are strategies that play off of a QB's talent/strength. In fact, those are the kinds of things you do with poor QB talent or weaknesses. Which I guess is probably the point that OB could have adjusted the offense more to hide the QB play?
 
thunderkyss said:
I know it's been said that Clemson's offense only required Watson to scan one side of the field.

I don't have an issue with that, if that's the way the offense is designed & not a limitation of Watson's. It's not the same as a one read system. I would imagine we'd start him out reading half the field anyway, until the game slows down for him.
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Way back in 2004, the Steelers selected Roethlisberger 11th overall with the idea of letting him sit and learn under Tommy Maddox. But Maddox got injured in the 3rd game and Roehtlisberger had to start the 4th game.

At the time, the OC was Ken Whisenhunt and if I'm not mistaken, he runs a variation of the same offense we run, E-P. Whisenhunt simplified his offense to focus on half-field reads with lots of roll-outs, and Roethlisberger went 13-0 in the regular season and 1-1 in the postseason.

I'm hoping that OB can prove to be as flexible and creative with his offense as Whisenhunt was and that we see similar production out of Watson as the Steelers got out of Roethlisberger.

That's my hope.
 
sandman said:
Yes. Wholeheartedly agree. However, none of those are strategies that play off of a QB's talent/strength. In fact, those are the kinds of things you do with poor QB talent or weaknesses. Which I guess is probably the point that OB could have adjusted the offense more to hide the QB play?
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More or less yes, but they also help a rhythm QB get in rhythm, which I believe Osweiler is a rhythm QB.

The tosses & sweeps, the screens (I should have said to RBs & TEs) would have been designing plays to the strength of the team. Not necessarily the QB. We've got skill position players that we should be able to attack every blade of grass on the field. Our offense was more focused down field, as if the flats weren't even there. Defenses didn't have to defend them & we've got, imo, great edge players. Lamar Miller, Johnathan Grimes, Akeem Hunt, Ryan Griffin, Braxton Miller... & we had a QB who couldn't see more than 6 yards past the LOS.
 
infantrycak said:
I know and I was pointing out it is a ridiculous standard.

College players put up ridiculous and mundane stats and the NFL judges them. They put up championships or are on losing teams and the NFL judges them different. Fact the fans see little difference makes no difference.
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Gotcha. Read that a different way.

But yes, agreed absolutely, a pro eval isn't just about looking at results. It's about the method with which they were attained, transferable/projectable skills in that method, and intangible properties for the position and profession.

And Watson has some of these things, but it ain't because he won a lot on a loaded Clemson team any more than Mahomes or Trubisky.
 
Until He takes a snap in a real game his greatness or ineptitude will not be known until probably after year 2 or 3, expecting the second coming in his first game or first season is a bit unreasonable. he may come in and wow everyone his first year then fall flat on is face, or come in look bad then take off and become a legend. Speculation and nit picking is all a part of being drafted. As a Texan fan I expect the worst and hope for the best after all are we not due a True great QB? On a side note I like Peterman, his maturity , his accuracy and his football knowledge was good. I think Trubisky will be a talent but not as great as everyone thinks, a one year wonder maybe? Mahomes I liked because he wasn't afraid the throw it, but his choices were not all good, same with Watson. Over all I think the Texans got a Good QB, with the proper coaching and learning on his part he will do great things. We will see, time will tell all tales in the end.
 
Texansfan69 said:
Until He takes a snap in a real game his greatness or ineptitude will not be known until probably after year 2 or 3, expecting the second coming in his first game or first season is a bit unreasonable.
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My expectation his first season isn't anything remarkable. I'd be fine if he came out with the same game plan Fitzpatrick ran this offense with. Super Safe, take no chances. Don't lose the game.

I'm looking more towards year two & using this season to set that up. Infantrycak said something about a minimum of four games this season. I'd be fine with that. If we're saying we believe Savage gives us a better chance to get to the playoffs than Watson, then find out we're out of the race after week 11, then we turn the reigns over... I'm good with that.

I just do not want his first start to be in 2018. I'd prefer we play him as much as possible (sorry, if it were my decision I really don't think Tom Savage is going to get us past the divisional round). But if they do the "until we're out of the playoff race" thing, I can live with it.
 
Double Barrel said:
I was not comparing styles.

It's still football then and today.
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What I mean is that back then, the QB was not as well protected by the rules as they are today.

I still remember watching Moon got manhandled often by the pass rushers.
He, and the rest of the old guys would have completed more passes, with fewer interceptions if they play in the environment today.
 
thunderkyss said:
My expectation his first season isn't anything remarkable. I'd be fine if he came out with the same game plan Fitzpatrick ran this offense with. Super Safe, take no chances. Don't lose the game.

I'm looking more towards year two & using this season to set that up. Infantrycak said something about a minimum of four games this season. I'd be fine with that. If we're saying we believe Savage gives us a better chance to get to the playoffs than Watson, then find out we're out of the race after week 11, then we turn the reigns over... I'm good with that.

I just do not want his first start to be in 2018. I'd prefer we play him as much as possible (sorry, if it were my decision I really don't think Tom Savage is going to get us past the divisional round). But if they do the "until we're out of the playoff race" thing, I can live with it.
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I agree totally, the more he plays the more at ease he will be in the system and in the NFL game.
 
I forgot where I read it, but I saw a great quote that basically said "A guy with a lot of game tape is going to have bad plays." It's pretty unfair to judge Watson vs Trubisky on highlights. Watson played for years and there was plenty of game tape for defenses to scheme against him. Trubisky is a total unknown. Drafting him is an insane risk

Edit: I found it
“Bill Walsh used to say this all the time ... : The guy whose a four-year starter (Note: Watson started roughly three seasons) is going to have bad games. The guy whose a one-year starter, isn’t. Don’t take the one-year starter and look ahead. Take the one-year starter and look back. Why wasn’t he playing? Why is the one-year starter just playing all of a sudden?”
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http://www.windycitygridiron.com/20...isky-nfl-draft-scouting-michael-lombardi-2017
 
gtexan02 said:
I forgot where I read it, but I saw a great quote that basically said "A guy with a lot of game tape is going to have bad plays." It's pretty unfair to judge Watson vs Trubisky on highlights. Watson played for years and there was plenty of game tape for defenses to scheme against him. Trubisky is a total unknown. Drafting him is an insane risk

Edit: I found it

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/20...isky-nfl-draft-scouting-michael-lombardi-2017
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Watson hits 3 of the 4 Parcells standards. Only thing he didn't hit was being a senior
 
Mollywhopper said:
So people aren't allowed to hold critical opinions of the kid ... in a thread asking for critical opinions of the kid?

And beyond reasonable responses to the op question, who's really sh*tt*ng on him?

As for who 'leads his team to the most victories', here ya go ...

Craig Erickson
Gino Torretta
Jay Barker
Danny Wuerffel
Brian Griese
Tee Martin
Chris Weinke
Josh Heupel
Ken Dorsey
Criag Krenzel
Matt Mauck
Matt Leinart
Vince Young
Chris Leak
Tim Tebow
Greg McElroy
Cardale Jones
Jake Coker

... you still want 'that guy'? Great, you can have him..
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If I really cared that much I guess I could look up each defense those guys played in the championship game and assess the merit of your post, but I dont. I know what I saw with my own two eyes. I dont need a boxscore, or career stats or sexy aesthetics in throwing to tell me who has it and who doesnt. Do I pretend to be some draft guru or future GM of America? Nope, and I also value the opinion of great football minds, especially those who have had to face Watson, and it makes me feel even better about him.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...clemson-tigers-best-player-college-cam-newton

and even more interesting is that the things Saban says Watson is great at are those hyper critical bullet points that the resident experts here on this board say he's bad at. Hmmmmmm. I wonder who I'll give the benefit of the doubt to.

Just say you dont like Watson, instead of linking him to some of the biggest busts in history because at that point is pretty obvious you're reaching. Just saying.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Just say you dont like Watson, instead of linking him to some of the biggest busts in history because at that point is pretty obvious you're reaching. Just saying.
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I like Watson. I don't think he's perfect, and he has parts of his game worth critiquing. Not sure why you our anyone else would take that so personally. And just to make especially sure you're aware, this is a thread specifically asking for criticism on Watson's game.

And I wasn't linking Watson to those guys for any point to make about Watson himself, just about your request to have the winningest qbs. That wasn't terribly difficult to read, I'm fairly certain.
 
gtexan02 said:
I forgot where I read it, but I saw a great quote that basically said "A guy with a lot of game tape is going to have bad plays." It's pretty unfair to judge Watson vs Trubisky on highlights. Watson played for years and there was plenty of game tape for defenses to scheme against him. Trubisky is a total unknown. Drafting him is an insane risk

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http://www.windycitygridiron.com/20...isky-nfl-draft-scouting-michael-lombardi-2017
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It's not a coincidence that Trubisky's first and last game of the season were his two worst by far. First game (Georgia) had all summer to watch film of him filling in as a backup from the previous year. Last game (Stanford) had a month to prepare for the bowl game by watching all his tape as the starter this year.

If I'm a Bears fan I'm very worried about that Trubisky trade. Nobody knows who he is and the 2 teams that had time to prepare for him really gave him problems.
 
thunderkyss said:
I know it's been said that Clemson's offense only required Watson to scan one side of the field.

I don't have an issue with that, if that's the way the offense is designed & not a limitation of Watson's. It's not the same as a one read system. I would imagine we'd start him out reading half the field anyway, until the game slows down for him.
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At least he is analyzing on his own. Didn't the other guys need help from the sideline to make the right reads?

Mollywhopper said:
And I wasn't linking Watson to those guys for any point to make about Watson himself, just about your request to have the winningest qbs. That wasn't terribly difficult to read, I'm fairly certain.
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Riiiight. I guess I should have been case specific when I mentioned 'winning' then? Like I should have said "give me the guy who SINGLE HANDEDLY brings his team back against a historic defense to win the championship with big plays HE HIMSELF has to make in order to secure a victory"

I'll be sure to pay more attention to detail in the future to avoid those pesky semantics.
 
76Texan said:
What I mean is that back then, the QB was not as well protected by the rules as they are today.

I still remember watching Moon got manhandled often by the pass rushers.
He, and the rest of the old guys would have completed more passes, with fewer interceptions if they play in the environment today.
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I gotcha'. I don't disagree with your point.

I was coming from the idea that a QB can overcome his mistakes in college more than anything else. Those 30 INTs just let his NFL coaches know part of what he needs to focus on, but I not believe that he is doomed to beat Brett Favre's INT record like others seem to imply.

While I do not want to turn a blind eye to Watson's shortcomings, I'm choosing a positive perspective because he's our guy now. Until proven otherwise, I just don't see the point of building a case about why he's going to fail in the NFL. This kind of mindset usually just causes people to want to defend their position and can make it tough to just be a fan. JMO.
 
Double Barrel said:
I gotcha'. I don't disagree with your point.

I was coming from the idea that a QB can overcome his mistakes in college more than anything else. Those 30 INTs just let his NFL coaches know part of what he needs to focus on, but I not believe that he is doomed to beat Brett Favre's INT record like others seem to imply.

While I do not want to turn a blind eye to Watson's shortcomings, I'm choosing a positive perspective because he's our guy now. Until proven otherwise, I just don't see the point of building a case about why he's going to fail in the NFL. This kind of mindset usually just causes people to want to defend their position and can make it tough to just be a fan. JMO.
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I know; that's why I also choose to stand behind him and hope that he works out his deficiencies.
 
Double Barrel said:
I gotcha'. I don't disagree with your point.

I was coming from the idea that a QB can overcome his mistakes in college more than anything else. Those 30 INTs just let his NFL coaches know part of what he needs to focus on, but I not believe that he is doomed to beat Brett Favre's INT record like others seem to imply.

While I do not want to turn a blind eye to Watson's shortcomings, I'm choosing a positive perspective because he's our guy now. Until proven otherwise, I just don't see the point of building a case about why he's going to fail in the NFL. This kind of mindset usually just causes people to want to defend their position and can make it tough to just be a fan. JMO.
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I know; that's why I also choose to stand behind him and hope that he works out his deficiencies.
 
WolverineFan said:
If I'm a Bears fan I'm very worried about that Trubisky trade. Nobody knows who he is and the 2 teams that had time to prepare for him really gave him problems.
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Depends on who's developing him. The guy he is now is not the guy he's going to be at the end of the season, or to start next season & definitely not two seasons from now.

If he was drafted by Gary Kubiak, or Jim Harbaugh, Andy Reid, Hue Jackson, I wouldn't be too worried.

That said, if I were a Chicago Bears fan, I'd be worried we threw away a bunch of picks & Passed on some pretty good players. Solomon Thomas... oy vey
 
Double Barrel said:
One of the primary criticisms about Watson is his 30 INTs the last two seasons.

Out of curiosity, I looked up HoF QBs college stats. Dan Marino had 46 INTs in his last two college seasons. Steve Young had 28. Dan Fouts had 30.

I'm not saying Watson is going to be Marino, Young, or Fouts, but rather stats can sometimes be misleading.
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And not HOFer, but more recent, Matt Ryan had 29 INT his final 2 seasons including 19 his senior season.

Watson had a 2.6 INT% for his collegiate career. Ryan was 2.7 in college, Tom Brady 2.6, Big Ben 2.6, John Elway was 3.1, and the great VY, who was a god around here in '06, 3.2. I think way too much is being made about the INTs.

And Watson had more TD passes than any of the guys mentioned, 60 more than Brady. I'll take 3 TD passes to every INT he throws all day every day.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Riiiight. I guess I should have been case specific when I mentioned 'winning' then? Like I should have said "give me the guy who SINGLE HANDEDLY brings his team back against a historic defense to win the championship with big plays HE HIMSELF has to make in order to secure a victory"

I'll be sure to pay more attention to detail in the future to avoid those pesky semantics.
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That was a terrific feather in Watson's cap, and he should be applauded for it as well as taken into account when evaluating his game. But if that's where your eval ends them I think you're not doing proper due diligence. Vince Young did just the thing you're talking about, and just like Watson that thing is not the sum total of a proper look at where his pro prospects should lie. And just to be clear, I'm not saying Watson is Young. The point is on trying to take an honest look at the broadest picture of a young talent to accurately gauge their chances. Not just 'winning'. Not just one big game. And not just their critiques either, but the whole picture and doing so comprehensively and honestly.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's where I'm at.

There's a rumor out there that the two deals are connected. We got #12 & freed up $10M of cap space. Cleveland got #25, our 2018 1st & 2nd, and Osweiler.


I'd rather look at it as two separate transactions. Trading 25 & our 2018 1st is heavily in our favor (points wise). Adding our 2018 2nd tilts the scale heavily in Cleveland's favor. Freeing up $10M in cap space, $16M in cash kind of evens it out a bit...... kinda.
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Fairly certain when I posted that just after Watson drafted I was first to mention possibility. It just seemed extremely certain that #12 would be in play if Watson there.

If Texans believe Watson can lead them to SB contention for years (whether he turns out to be franchise or not) giving up #25 and the 1 & 2 next year seems reasonable trade; dumping Os makes it even better.
 
Just win. I don't care how you do it just as long as the team isn't winning in spite of your performance. W's matter more than any other stat.

For Watson, it may not be the prettiest wins, but he still adds value to the team in those wins and does it on the biggest stage too.

I am good with that.
 
TexansBull said:
Just win. I don't care how you do it just as long as the team isn't winning in spite of your performance. W's matter more than any other stat.

For Watson, it may not be the prettiest wins, but he still adds value to the team in those wins and does it on the biggest stage too.

I am good with that.
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have to disagree with you, Texans had 9 W's with poop at QB, Osweiler's stats sucked and he is gone and Texans paid tremendously to regroup. A QB with avg stats can get us to SB.
 
TK is nailing this - OB ain't the guy to groom a young QB. He's said it, he's acted it. He changes his mind halfway into game 1. The guy is a QB shouter not whisperer.
 
76Texan said:
As a player, I'm good with Watson.
I think of him more highly than Osweiler out of college; that's for sure.
I never entertained the idea of drafting Osweiler.
I do consider Watson as a legitimate prospect.
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I agree with all of this ....

It's just the cost of acquiring that doesn't sit well with me; especially on the backend of losing a 2nd in 2018 just for dumping Osweiler.

It's just a total lack of vision to me.
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This part , not so much.

They gave up next years 1 which is in the value ballpark for the move up they made.


As for a lack of vision , the lack of vision was not addressing the position sooner .... Glad they final did it. IF Watson works out as a middle of the league or better QB .... It was worth it.


The only thing I have a problem with is giving up the 2 to get rid of TBWoO .... and then doing nothing with the cap space. Basically McNair sold a 2nd round pick for $10m as he's saving the money and the franchise isn't any better for it. They could have simply cut him and ate the loss instead of gutting next years draft.
IMO they compounded one mistake with another.
 
76Texan said:
As a player, I'm good with Watson.
I think of him more highly than Osweiler out of college; that's for sure.
I never entertained the idea of drafting Osweiler.
I do consider Watson as a legitimate prospect.

It's just the cost of acquiring that doesn't sit well with me; especially on the backend of losing a 2nd in 2018 just for dumping Osweiler.

It's just a total lack of vision to me.

Forget about the " old guys".
How they played football back then is nothing like today.
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Yeah, the 'old guys' actually called plays
:D
 
Corrosion said:
I agree with all of this ....




This part , not so much.

They gave up next years 1 which is in the value ballpark for the move up they made.


As for a lack of vision , the lack of vision was not addressing the position sooner .... Glad they final did it. IF Watson works out as a middle of the league or better QB .... It was worth it.


The only thing I have a problem with is giving up the 2 to get rid of TBWoO .... and then doing nothing with the cap space. Basically McNair sold a 2nd round pick for $10m as he's saving the money and the franchise isn't any better for it. They could have simply cut him and ate the loss instead of gutting next years draft.
IMO they compounded one mistake with another.
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Now that we know Rick was working on this trade since we traded Osweiler and lost our 2nd I can see why we didn't sign anyone. he wanted to recoup some of that value in at least comp picks. we will get 4 next year, I know it's not 1st or 2nd rounder but picks you have the better at that point. we will probably sign some people here shortly when it doesn't effect our comps. then we will have extra cash to roll over next year. They better get Nuk that extension though
 
ObsiWan said:
Yeah, the 'old guys' actually called plays
:D
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Not as much as the urban legends would have you believe.

Staubach called his own play and got a TD during the Morton QB swapping days. Ran off the field and Landry was reported to say "if you make it to 49 years old you can call your own plays."
 
badboy said:
have to disagree with you, Texans had 9 W's with poop at QB, Osweiler's stats sucked and he is gone and Texans paid tremendously to regroup. A QB with avg stats can get us to SB.
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With this defense yes , an average QB can potentially get you there .... but he better not make any mistakes once you get passed that first round game when the other teams have top flight QB's who can take advantage of mistakes with 6 points.

I think they also need a very solid running game to go along with that defense If you have only an average QB. Gotta keep Tom Terrific or Arron Rodgers off the field cause eventually he's going to figure out that defense or just make a big play. And your special teams better be above average ....
 
badboy said:
have to disagree with you, Texans had 9 W's with poop at QB, Osweiler's stats sucked and he is gone and Texans paid tremendously to regroup. A QB with avg stats can get us to SB.
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The part in my post you must have missed " just as long as the team isn't winning in spite of your performance" means that we are in agreement.

That was referring to a QB like Osweiler that everyone carried his bad performance game after game and he wasn't adding anything to the team.
 
Corrosion said:
I agree with all of this ....




This part , not so much.

They gave up next years 1 which is in the value ballpark for the move up they made.


As for a lack of vision , the lack of vision was not addressing the position sooner .... Glad they final did it. IF Watson works out as a middle of the league or better QB .... It was worth it.


The only thing I have a problem with is giving up the 2 to get rid of TBWoO .... and then doing nothing with the cap space. Basically McNair sold a 2nd round pick for $10m as he's saving the money and the franchise isn't any better for it. They could have simply cut him and ate the loss instead of gutting next years draft.
IMO they compounded one mistake with another.
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You actually argue the point for me, about the lack of vision.

As I've stated a few times, Watson is a solid prospect; however, I have problem with the FO:

1. The No. 2 in 2018 seems to have a tie into the deal with the Browns to trade up to the no. 12 spot this year.

2a. They could have traded down from 25 this year to get both Kizer and Beathard.
They are good prospects, too.
It seems Watson may have a better upside; but one can't say for sure. Kizer and Beathard have both played in systems that are better "fits" to what the Texans are running and they both have enough arm, a little better than Watson even though they don't have quite the mobility nor as quick of a release.
There are pros and cons with all 3 of them.

2b. With the No. 1 in 2018, they can take yet another QB; and we all know that next year class will have many good prospects.
If they really want to move up next year, the No. 2 that they lost on the Osweiler's trade looms large.

3. They could use both of those picks in 2018 for O-linemen, let's say if either Kizer or Beathard shows enough in practice and a little time on the field this year. They are more ready to play, having had to make more extensive reads than Watson in college.
 
76Texan said:
1. The No. 2 in 2018 seems to have a tie into the deal with the Browns to trade up to the no. 12 spot this year.
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Ive seen people suggest this and even heard radio personalities endorse it.

Is there a link somewhere for anyone affiliated with the texans or browns to back it?

Just because we traded with the browns twice in the same offseason doesn't mean much to me. They're trading with EVERYONE.
 
powda said:
Ive seen people suggest this and even heard radio personalities endorse it.

Is there a link somewhere for anyone affiliated with the texans or browns to back it?

Just because we traded with the browns twice in the same offseason doesn't mean much to me. They're trading with EVERYONE.
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I think Rick said when they made the Os trade is when they started discussing the trade up. He never said the 2 were mutual though as they most likely were not. I mean after all if Trubisky was still on the board (who the browns were rumored to like) or if they got NE to bite on a Garropolo trade then we wouldn't have been able to trade up, and we would still be out a 2nd
 
Shishkabob said:
I think Rick said when they made the Os trade is when they started discussing the trade up. He never said the 2 were mutual though as they most likely were not. I mean after all if Trubisky was still on the board (who the browns were rumored to like) or if they got NE to bite on a Garropolo trade then we wouldn't have been able to trade up, and we would still be out a 2nd
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I COULD MAYBE see a scenario where durring the oz trade they agreed on an additional draft chart value...one in which the Texans would recoup something in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round.

But i'd expect the Texans to release that info post draft.

The oz trade value wise sucked for us.

The watson first round jump was in our favor.

Combined, those trades together look balanced. But why wouldn't they say we got additional trade consideration post draft? Has a gm or coach been asked about this?
 
Shishkabob said:
Now that we know Rick was working on this trade since we traded Osweiler and lost our 2nd I can see why we didn't sign anyone. he wanted to recoup some of that value in at least comp picks. we will get 4 next year, I know it's not 1st or 2nd rounder but picks you have the better at that point. we will probably sign some people here shortly when it doesn't effect our comps. then we will have extra cash to roll over next year. They better get Nuk that extension though
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We'll find out in couple days if that was the plan or they just threw the baby out with the bath water ..... and saved McNair $10m.
 
powda said:
I COULD MAYBE see a scenario where durring the oz trade they agreed on an additional draft chart value...one in which the Texans would recoup something in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round.

But i'd expect the Texans to release that info post draft.

The oz trade value wise sucked for us.

The watson first round jump was in our favor.

Combined, those trades together look balanced. But why wouldn't they say we got additional trade consideration post draft? Has a gm or coach been asked about this?
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Just like to point out that the value / impact of the Asswiper trade hasn't been determined quite yet


A the roster spot he no longer occupies. (yeah I know , same as if he had been simply cut).

B the cap space freed up by trading rather than outright cutting him both this year and if unspent carrying over into next years cap. Doesn't help them right now but still offers some wiggle room next year and beyond , maybe it allows you to sign a significant FA next offseason or extend DHop without having to cut corners elsewhere.


They could spend it this year , just holding out for the date that signings don't affect comp picks in next years draft ..... but all the marquee free agents are long gone , they'd be value shopping. We'll see if this was the plan in a couple days.
 
Corrosion said:
With this defense yes , an average QB can potentially get you there .... but he better not make any mistakes once you get passed that first round game when the other teams have top flight QB's who can take advantage of mistakes with 6 points.

I think they also need a very solid running game to go along with that defense If you have only an average QB. Gotta keep Tom Terrific or Arron Rodgers off the field cause eventually he's going to figure out that defense or just make a big play. And your special teams better be above average ....
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you don't think a combo of Miller, Foreman, Hunt and Blue will give a solid game? I think our WR/RB/TE groups are good and deep.
 
badboy said:
you don't think a combo of Miller, Foreman, Hunt and Blue will give a solid game? I think our WR/RB/TE groups are good and deep.
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I don't know ..... you look at last year and when they needed a yard , they couldn't get it. 4th and 1 or less .... 1st and goal inside the 5. How many times did they fail to deliver ?!

Some of that is on the OL .... Some of it's on the backs themselves.

Does the addition of Foreman solve those short yardage situations ?! Maybe , maybe not.


I agree in principal that an average QB can get you there .... but you really have to check all the other boxes to compete with the teams with real elite QB's.


This team has the defense. Don't know if they have the special teams & running game. We'll see as the season wears on.
 
Corrosion said:
I don't know ..... you look at last year and when they needed a yard , they couldn't get it. 4th and 1 or less .... 1st and goal inside the 5. How many times did they fail to deliver ?!

Some of that is on the OL .... Some of it's on the backs themselves.

Does the addition of Foreman solve those short yardage situations ?! Maybe , maybe not.


I agree in principal that an average QB can get you there .... but you really have to check all the other boxes to compete with the teams with real elite QB's.


This team has the defense. Don't know if they have the special teams & running game. We'll see as the season wears on.
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I think the running game will be improved...

especially with a qb with a believable play fake. No one cared if Os was faking because they would prefer he throw it anyway
 
JB said:
I think the running game will be improved...

especially with a qb with a believable play fake. No one cared if Os was faking because they would prefer he throw it anyway
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A believable play fake .... Makes me miss Good Schaub.

I'll have to go back and watch some Savage and Watson play fakes ....
 
Corrosion said:
A believable play fake .... Makes me miss Good Schaub.

I'll have to go back and watch some Savage and Watson play fakes ....
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Oh man the combination of pre injury Schaub and Foster between 2010- 2012 was something to behold
 
While high, Watson’s interception total his final season in college stacks up favorably with former No. 1 overall pick Jameis Winston, who in 2014 threw more INTs (18) on fewer pass attempts (467) while playing in the same conference, the ACC. Since being drafted by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Winston has become one of the NFL’s best up and coming passers, alongside Derek Carr and Marcus Mariota.
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http://houston.cbslocal.com/2017/04...-watson-int-velocity-arm-strength-watch-film/

75 total points in two national championship games against Alabama. In those two games he completed 66 passes on 103 attempts for a 64.1% completion percentage and threw for 825 yards, 7 passing touchdowns and 1 interception. He also ran for 116 yards and another touchdown.

List of NFL Defensive players that Watson played against in those four college football playoff games and where they were drafted in the 2016 and 2017 NFL Drafts:

Charles Tapper - DE - Oklahoma - 4th round pick 101 - 2016

Zach Sanchez - CB - Oklahoma - 5th round pick 141 - 2016

Devante Bond - OLB - Oklahoma - 6th round pick 183 - 2016

Jordan Evans - LB - Oklahoma - 6th round pick 193 - 2017

Marshon Lattimore - CB - Ohio State - 1st round pick 11 - 2017

Malik Hooker - FS - Ohio State - 1st round pick 15 - 2017

Gareon Conley - CB - Ohio State - 1st round pick 24 - 2017

Raekwon McMillan - ILB - Ohio State - 2nd round pick 54 - 2017

Reggie Ragland - ILB - Alabama - 2nd round pick 41 - 2016

A'Shawn Robinson - DT - Alabama - 2nd round pick 46 - 2016

Jarran Reed - DT - Alabama - 2nd round pick 49 - 2016

Cyrus Jones - CB - Alabama - 2nd round pick 60 - 2016

Marlon Humphery - CB - Alabama - 1st round pick 16 - 2017

Jonathan Allen - DL - Alabama - 1st round pick 17 - 2017

Reuben Foster - ILB - Alabama - 1st round pick 31 - 2017

Ryan Anderson - LB - Alabama - 2nd round pick 49 - 2017

Dalvin Tomlinson - DT - Alabama - 2nd round pick 55 - 2017

Tim Williams - LB - Alabama - 3rd round pick 78 - 2017

Eddie Jackson - S - Alabama - 4th round pick 112 - 2017
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http://sports790.iheart.com/onair/t...ocks-breakdown-of-texans-2017-draft-15787056/
 
Corrosion said:
A believable play fake .... Makes me miss Good Schaub.

I'll have to go back and watch some Savage and Watson play fakes ....
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For real. Matt Schaub and Lance Pavlas had two of the best play fakes I've ever seen. Folks underestimate how important it was as a facet of the Offense.
 
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