Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍

What's wrong with Watson?

thunderkyss said:
Did you know Jimmy Johnson was born in Port Arthur Texas?

I live a few blocks from the street named after him.



Edit: Beyoatch
Click to expand...


Well aware of it. I was born in PA, went to St Marys grammar school on 5th St, High school at BBHS.

Lots of good memories growing up in the 50's in PA. Drag racing down Proctor.

I thought when they merged Lincoln and Jefferson HS Port Arthur football would dominate. Why it didn't I'll never understand.

Wife was in TJ same time as Johnson, says he was a jerk.

:coffee:
 
infantrycak said:
Landry created both offenses and defenses. The 4-3 was his. F'king laughable to bring him up in defense of OB who can't even copy an offense competently. ( I predicted this. Still took him 6 years to field a break even team. Refer to your civil war reference)

JJ was 11-5 in his 3rd year. Poke me when OB does that. SB 4th year with one of the most dominant offenses the game has ever seen and that wasn't his side of the ball. Made a mockery of the high flying Bills. When was the last time an OB team made a mockery of anyone? - never. (you really missed the point on comparing apples to apples in their career starts, or better yet you just ignore anything that doesn't fit your narrative)

Chuck Noll? How about an example who didn't live during the civil war? And by the way, he won 11 his 4th year. Offense got better even though that wasn't his side of the ball. (again.. you missed the point. Seems you want to compare other coaches four year start to OBs three year start. Civil War, laughable. Why are you bringing up coaches fourth years when OB hasn't coached his fourth year yet)

Funny, your examples are all defensive coaches who out performed OB the offensive coach. How did they outperform him? They didn't. OB has a better W - L record than they did to start their careers.

3rd year they were 17th (Pittsburgh), 2nd (Landry) and 7th (JJ) on scoring offense. WITH DEFENSIVE COACHES. 3rd year Texans, 28th. Tell me again how great OB is.
Click to expand...
And yet OB had more W's than they did, explain that away. Sounds like great coaching on OB's part to me. Try hard as you want to deny it, but wins trump offensive stats on losing teams, every time. Well, maybe not in Cak's mind.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Not a lot to argue in that post.

I will say though that much like players, coaches can get better too. I think some of those coaches you named obviously learned and became better at their jobs as time went on.

While a coach may not initially be great, they can certainly develop into that. I don't think OB is a great coach at this time, but he does have some traits/philosophies that I think can make a great coach. JMO. Not a guarantee that he gets there, but lets hope for the best.
Click to expand...

Fair enough. It seems like many here want him gone before he even has a chance. In spite of everything transpiring with the team, not all of which is his doing, he has managed to compile a winning record. I was just pointing out that his starting record is better than some coaches that are considered great.

I guess winning is not enough, it has to be done with a lot of flash. We all want more but lets give the guy a chance like the coaches I named were given.

:coffee:
 
Lucky said:
Deshaun's not ready after a few days in June mini-camp? Working with receivers for the first time? I guess we're screwed.


Didn't Jimmy go to school with Janis Joplin? Does she have a street, too?
Click to expand...

No... but there's a historical marker at her childhood home. & an annual concert held in her honor.
 
Uncle Rico said:
So you're going to propose a false dilemma and rationalize the mediocrity at hand with an example of a rare occurrence? Belicheck is great I guess, but most of that is thanks to #12. I'll reverse you're presumption and ask "wouldn't have Tom Brady made ANY COACH great"? What false dilemma and what rare occurrence? What presumption? Don't you think OBriens record would be even better if he had Brady? You are deflating your own argument.

O'Brien has benefited from a strong player nucleus, (minus a qb and the right side of an O line) ridiculously good defensive play and the fortune to play in a division that has been the worst in football for a while, yet someone has to win it, why not a mediocre club who wins in spite of their coach not because of. I can't argue that this club / organization isn't mediocre, I can only argue the fact that a good coach can overcome it and still post a winning record. OBrien has done that.

His coaching decisions aren't influencing the outcomes of the games, opponents aren't saying "oh no, we are facing a Bill O'Brien team" You pretend to know what other teams are saying? Preposterous. I mean what is the MO of an O'Brien team? I don't see an imprint or culture he's instilling to the point of this fanatical support. Fanatical support? Hyperbole much? Koobs never got this kind of love and that man faced a steeper hill to climb and did it, only to get pushed off the other side.

It's been 4 years of the EXACT SAME OFFENSE ... No wrinkles no " hey that's new" moments. It's not innovative. It's not adapting to the complexity of the defensive schemes. It's the "I'm going to make this star shaped peg fit into the square hole" philosophy and it's going to turn Lamar Miller into 200 lbs of hamburger meat and DeAndre Hopkins go looking for greener pastures.

Seems to me OBs best offensive moments came with JJ lined up as a TE ... Go figure.
Click to expand...
 
infantrycak said:
I agree with that as a general proposition. Just wish I saw something from OB. It all seems so mismatched. Lamar Miller could be great in a wide ZBS. Instead he is being run up the gut. He's not Emmitt Smith. Not gonna be, never was, never will be. That OB doesn't see that disturbs me. As an example.
Click to expand...
I would really love to know why those calls were made, especially with a banged up RB with a busted wing and a busted wheel.
 
cuppacoffee said:
And yet OB had more W's than they did, explain that away. Sounds like great coaching on OB's part to me. Try hard as you want to deny it, but wins trump offensive stats on losing teams, every time. Well, maybe not in Cak's mind.
Click to expand...


Don't you mean great defensive coaching by Ronnie Crennel and crew?
 
cuppacoffee said:
Fair enough. It seems like many here want him gone before he even has a chance. In spite of everything transpiring with the team, not all of which is his doing, he has managed to compile a winning record. I was just pointing out that his starting record is better than some coaches that are considered great.

I guess winning is not enough, it has to be done with a lot of flash. We all want more but lets give the guy a chance like the coaches I named were given.

:coffee:
Click to expand...


Winning Superbowls is what matters. Going 9-7 every year is nothing to write home to momma about.

Man you sound like those Vince Young and Tim Tebow fans. Bwhahaha winning but not winning.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Winning Superbowls is what matters. Going 9-7 every year is nothing to write home to momma about.

Man you sound like those Vince Young and Tim Tebow fans. Bwhahaha winning but not winning.
Click to expand...


"We all want more but lets give the guy a chance like the coaches I named were given."

Reading comprehension is your friend, study it, embrace it.

Or do you just post tripe so you can Bwhahaha all over yourself.

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
"We all want more but lets give the guy a chance like the coaches I named were given."

Reading comprehension is your friend, study it, embrace it.

Or do you just post tripe so you can Bwhahaha all over yourself.

:coffee:
Click to expand...

Man chill out with that nonsense. You said and I quote," I guess winning is not good enough, it has to be done with a lot of flash".

You been praising Bill O'Brien for his winning record. Tossing around how O'Brien records is better than these great coaches in their first three seasons.

How about paying attention to what you write instead of trying to check me on my reading comprehension.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Man chill out with that nonsense. You said and I quote," I guess winning is not good enough, it has to be done with a lot of flash".

You been praising Bill O'Brien for his winning record. Tossing around how O'Brien records is better than these great coaches in their first three seasons.

How about paying attention to what you write instead of trying to check me on my reading comprehension.
Click to expand...


So what is it about "I guess winning is not good enough" that you do not understand?

You do realize that only one team per year can win the super bowl. You sound like a hyperventilating Dallas fan. :hyper:

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
So what is it about "I guess winning is not good enough" that you do not understand?

You do realize that only one team per year can win the super bowl. You sound like a hyperventilating Dallas fan. :hyper:

:coffee:
Click to expand...

Yeah Dallas has 5 of these:

vince-lombardi-trophy.jpg


Houston has 0. Keep talking smack.
 
DocBar said:
I would really love to know why those calls were made, especially with a banged up RB with a busted wing and a busted wheel.
Click to expand...

Just so folks remember. They're the same size. Actually Lamar is a bit bigger. Not the same RB at all.


He was the toughest other than Jim Brown.
 
Last edited:
cuppacoffee said:
So what is it about "I guess winning is not good enough" that you do not understand?

You do realize that only one team per year can win the super bowl. You sound like a hyperventilating Dallas fan. :hyper:

:coffee:
Click to expand...

Why because I want my team to win Superbowls verses going 9-7 in a weak division and then one and done in the playoffs. Come on dude your tripping.
 
cuppacoffee said:
You have completely missed my point about OBrien and the Texans. I should have recognized you were a Cowboy fan and we would end up discussing the Cowboys successes of the last century.

BYE

:coffee:
Click to expand...


umm, this was in response to my response to 'Cak... had nothing to do with your posts and suppositions.

You missed the boat on this one and should probably visit the drumk thread
 
cuppacoffee said:
You have completely missed my point about OBrien and the Texans. I should have recognized you were a Cowboy fan and we would end up discussing the Cowboys successes of the last century.

BYE

:coffee:
Click to expand...

Bye Felicia

Mr. Reading Comprehension

And for the record I can't stand the freaking Cowboys. Bleep them. But like JB you might need to hit up the drunk thread.
 
Back to the thread..........Despite the fact that the O has not been clicking well, and despite what many here believe, the "system" is not an easy one for any QB to grasp, especially a rookie. There have been many comments to this effect in the past. But the one that sticks in my mind is the comment that Weeden made near the end of the 2015 season when he found himself the backup QB after Hoyer was concussed.............."It’s like learning Chinese......... backwards.”
 
[
CloakNNNdagger said:
Back to the thread..........Despite the fact that the O has not been clicking well, and despite what many here believe, the "system" is not an easy one for any QB to grasp, especially a rookie. There have been many comments to this effect in the past. But the one that sticks in my mind is the comment that Weeden made near the end of the 2015 season when he found himself the backup QB after Hoyer was concussed.............."It’s like learning Chinese......... backwards.”
Click to expand...

Then it's f'ked up and the coach is stupid. There's no need for an offense to be that complex. And by the way it sucks - worse every year.
 
Contrary to the above statement...O'Brien has finished 9-7 three straight years, with below average offensive personnel to run his system. I believe when the team interviewed him for the job they asked him plenty of questions about the offense he planned to install. Based on the offensive talent he inherited and the offensive players RS supplied him, his offense hasn't had a chance at success. So, why didn't RS make it a priority to get this offense and O'Brien the personnel needed to operate his offense?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
... the one that sticks in my mind is the comment that Weeden made near the end of the 2015 season when he found himself the backup QB after Hoyer was concussed.............."It’s like learning Chinese......... backwards.”
Click to expand...

That's a compliment coming from an opposing MLB, from your 6th starting QB in 2 years and one of 8 overall to say something similar it's a f*ck*ng indictment.
 
Bwhahaha back on Rick Smith. Man year one losing Foster was huge. The first two games Foster was looking like the old Foster. The season looked very promising

Year 2 O'Brien started treating his Quarterbacks like high school or college players. Hoyer performance was meh and then he was yanked. Mallett played bad and then he was yanked. We started that season 1-5. The defense was horrible as well. McNair srarted pulling his weight threatening jobs and then watch ou. Them boys started playing some darn football.

Year three Rick and O'Brien focus was on speed and getting a lot faster. And that's what they did in the draft.

So please yell me how Rick didn't make that side of the ball a priority again OptimisticTexan.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
So, why didn't RS make it a priority to get this offense and O'Brien the personnel needed to operate his offense?
Click to expand...
O'Brien had a hand in selecting the personnel as well. He has rejected QBs in the draft other than a 3rd day 24 year old project in 2014, and Watson this year. He asked for Mallett. He asked for Hoyer. He was involved in the Osweiler signing. O'Brien deserves credit for keeping this team above water, for sure. But he has take his share of the blame in the offensive shortcomings.

The good news is, O'Brien has a chance to make up for that. Hope he does.

Edit: Wrong Big 10 QB.
 
Lucky said:
O'Brien had a hand in selecting the personnel as well. He has rejected QBs in the draft other than a 3rd day 24 year old project in 2014, and Watson this year. He asked for Mallett. He asked for Hoying. He was involved in the Osweiler signing. O'Brien deserves credit for keeping this team above water, for sure. But he has take his share of the blame in the offensive shortcomings.

The good news is, O'Brien has a chance to make up for that. Hope he does.
Click to expand...


He also wanted Fitzpatrick as well
 
Texansballer74 said:
He also wanted Fitzpatrick as well
Click to expand...

If I remember correctly there weren't many decent FA QB's is 2014, 15 and of course Osweiler in 2016 was worse than Hoyer and Fitzpatrick.

The right thing to have done was to draft either Carr or Garoppolo. They did neither. Bill O'Brien was at Penn. He came here with aa ton of work to do. I'm guessing he didn't have time to scout all the QB's and scout all the new (for him) current Texans so he left all or most of the decisions to Rick Smith and his crew.

I'm convinced the main reason the Texans can't get deeper into the playoffs is because of the mistakes made in the 2014 draft. Rick Smith runs the scouting department. I don't know who created the Texans draft board in 2014 but I doubt it was O'Brien. His work load was enormous enough w/o having to deal with scouting college players.
 
banned1976 said:
If I remember correctly there weren't many decent FA QB's is 2014, 15 and of course Osweiler in 2016 was worse than Hoyer and Fitzpatrick.

The right thing to have done was to draft either Carr or Garoppolo. They did neither. Bill O'Brien was at Penn. He came here with aa ton of work to do. I'm guessing he didn't have time to scout all the QB's and scout all the new (for him) current Texans so he left all or most of the decisions to Rick Smith and his crew.

I'm convinced the main reason the Texans can't get deeper into the playoffs is because of the mistakes made in the 2014 draft. Rick Smith runs the scouting department. I don't know who created the Texans draft board in 2014 but I doubt it was O'Brien. His work load was enormous enough w/o having to deal with scouting college players.
Click to expand...
I'm a bit surprised that there are some who believe a new coach can come in and be in total control of team decisions in his first three months on the job. It's been my position that, in so far as the draft that first year, Smith was in charge, with OB having input.
 
Number19 said:
I'm a bit surprised that there are some who believe a new coach can come in and be in total control of team decisions in his first three months on the job. It's been my position that, in so far as the draft that first year, Smith was in charge, with OB having input.
Click to expand...

Well the moves have only gotten worse
 
Number19 said:
I'm a bit surprised that there are some who believe a new coach can come in and be in total control of team decisions in his first three months on the job. It's been my position that, in so far as the draft that first year, Smith was in charge, with OB having input.
Click to expand...


Exactly. I think the only say he had was the QB position. Like my boy mentioned above the litter waa very small. So since Fitzpatrick from a high prestigious college, O'Brien want him over the rest. He was also a seasoned vet who he thought would learn his system pretty fast. The rest was already in place. The offensive was a little solid and Foster was back. If Foster doesn't get hurt again Im thinking we would've had a better record.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Exactly. I think the only say he had was the QB position. Like my boy mentioned above the litter waa very small. So since Fitzpatrick from a high prestigious college, O'Brien want him over the rest. He was also a seasoned vet who he thought would learn his system pretty fast. The rest was already in place. The offensive was a little solid and Foster was back. If Foster doesn't get hurt again Im thinking we would've had a better record.
Click to expand...
Just as when Schaub suffered an injury that predictably would have put him in a downward course and Foster showed repeated soft tissue injuries that should have been recognized as a formula for quick spiral downward, there was no urgency to find a real replacement for either of these players before the walls caved in. History of poor anticipation and poor personnel decisions, especially on the offensive side of the ball, hasn't just begun with the O'Brien era.
 
I could have given the ball to Arian Foster 40 times a game to make the offense look decent. That's not what we hired a new coach for.
 
TheKDog said:
I could have given the ball to Arian Foster 40 times a game to make the offense look decent. That's not what we hired a new coach for.
Click to expand...
But he was going to use him like that regardless. Look at how he used Miller last season. He believes in putting that work load on his primary backs.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
So, why didn't RS make it a priority to get this offense and O'Brien the personnel needed to operate his offense?
Click to expand...

So you think O'b didn't want XSF, Fiedo, Mumphrey, Blue, Greg Mancz, Nick Martin, Kendall Lamm, David Quessenberry, Will Fuller, Braxton Miller, Kenny Hilliard, Chris Polk, Lamar Miller, Larry Allen, Oday Aboushi, Tyler Ervin, Jalen Strong, Cecil Shorts.... ?
 
thunderkyss said:
So you think O'b didn't want XSF, Fiedo, Mumphrey, Blue, Greg Mancz, Nick Martin, Kendall Lamm, David Quessenberry, Will Fuller, Braxton Miller, Kenny Hilliard, Chris Polk, Lamar Miller, Larry Allen, Oday Aboushi, Tyler Ervin, Jalen Strong, Cecil Shorts.... ?
Click to expand...

He seemed pretty proud about trading up too. 5 picks for Nix and Strong. No wonder our depth is poor.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top