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What is Watson's value in a trade?
- Thread starter badboy
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
This has been a great draft for the Broncos......I don’t think Watson brings more to the table than these four guys will over the next 4 seasons.
I just saw this and I'll check it out.
Listening to the 610 boys at lunch, and they are speculating that Philly might have three first round picks next year depending on how Wentz does with the Colts.
Assuming that a team would be willing to give up two 1st picks in one draft, I can only imagine how exciting the 2022 draft could be for us with three picks (and most likely one of them being high due to the Texans 2021 season).
Assuming that a team would be willing to give up two 1st picks in one draft, I can only imagine how exciting the 2022 draft could be for us with three picks (and most likely one of them being high due to the Texans 2021 season).
badboy
Hall of Fame
From April 21st:
* note this post was before Philly moved up to 1.10 with Dallas. The only questionable round 1 pick in 2022 is based upon the Colts and how many snaps Wentz takes.
Also interesting that I projected cornerback Kelvin Joseph at 2.47 and he went to Dallas at 2:47 if I remember correctly. Most had Joseph going as late as Round 4.
I can see dolphins offering us
1.6 WR Waddle 1.18 DE Jaelan Phillips
2.36 Kevin Holland Safety
2022 round one 2023 round ones
Plus Tua Tag and CB Xavian Howard: extremely cheap next four years and Miami does not want to rework his contract so soon.
They get their top 5 QB and avoid having to pay Bennett going forward with a shot at Greenard being that guy.
Texans get a starter and every position mentioned.
I know some here thinks we will get nothing for DeShaun but the fact that Philly and Miami are reportedly still interested says a lot.
Jack Burton
Veteran
They also signed 2 starters at CB in FA so the Surtain pick was odd. They really didn’t like any of these QBs in the 1st.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think that Denver was hoping for some miracle to land Rogers but realistically did not see it happening. Both Packers and Texans Can use an immediate starter like surtain.
Jack Burton
Veteran
It still could happen. Jeez, that team is a QB away from winning the SB.
But it looks like GB stubborn ways will prevail. Or he retires.
DEN RT Juwan James just tore his Achilles. Out for the season. And they didn’t draft an OT.
When it rains it pours.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think Broncos are ready to go with Calvin Anderson to replace Juwan.
Calvin Anderson's experiences helping him prepare for the 2021 season
The Broncos' looming questions at right tackle could be solved internally this season as NFL free agency approaches.
www.9news.com
GB in a post June 1st trade of Rogers gets a cap space break of almost 23 million but I don't see them spending it until 2022. I just can't see Rogers going anywhere.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Watson for Rogers trade
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Giants' Dave Gettleman talks potential Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson trade
Giants GM Dave Gettleman talked about a potential trade for Aaron Rodgers or Deshaun Watson.
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Watson for Rogers trade
Giants' Dave Gettleman talks potential Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson trade
Giants GM Dave Gettleman talked about a potential trade for Aaron Rodgers or Deshaun Watson.
rodgers would retire before he came here i doubt he wants to play for houston
and the packers are just like the texans there good ol chior boys there not going to want a 23 count sex offender has there face of the franchise
Texan Asylum
Hall of Fame
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Jack Burton
Veteran
That would just be insane. I’m almost tempted to turn around and trade Rogers to the Chargers for Herbert and picks and just rebuild. I’m not sure how dazzled Rogers would be in HOU. Rogers wants to be in LA, so make it happen. Chargers are loaded, and Rogers would extend his career to another 6-8 years there.Watson for Rogers trade
Giants' Dave Gettleman talks potential Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson trade
Giants GM Dave Gettleman talked about a potential trade for Aaron Rodgers or Deshaun Watson.
Yep. Well paid sacrificial lambs, but sacrificial lambs nonetheless.
From a purely objective point of view, O'Brien had 5 winning seasons and 4 AFC South division titles.
Hate the man all you want, but in the NFL the only thing that ultimately matters is wins and losses.
O'Brien was not some raving success, but he's been the best HC of the Texans so far when you compare his .520 Win % against Kubiak's .488 Win % and 2 playoff appearances as Texans HC.
Sure. But you'd have to be delusional not to admit that they might be way worse, as well.
btw, I did not predict anything. I just said the current staff is lackluster. Read anything into it more than that and you're just making stuff up in your head.
I just threw up a little.
Yep, the truth will do that sometimes.
Don't forget the other side of that truth and how he decimated this team.
It certainly looks that way since Caserio is back at square 1 looking for a QB. Remind me who drafted that QB? Also who did the background research on that QB? They should be fired, keep on taking out the trash Caserio.
I don't really care how Watson gets his jollies personally, I like the way he plays football.
But what soured me on Deshaun was when he showed he is a quitter and not a leader when he decided to take the money and leave Houston 6 months later.
Yep, that's the root of my disatisfaction and probably the real subconscious reason I want to see him fall and fall hard. Oh how the mighty have fallen, couldn't happen to a better guy.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Here is why you wait until the start of the new league year 2022 before you trade Watson. Take Philly for example, if you trade Watson before the season starts in 2021 the Eagles with Watson could win 10 - 12 games and be picking somewhere in the 20s in the 2022 draft. If you trade Watson after the season the Eagles may end up with 4 wins and be picking in the Top 10.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Let’s say Watson finalizes this mess and the NFL gives him a 6-8 game suspension. In the meantime, the Eagles and Hurts aren’t doing as well as expected but being in the ultra crappy NFC East.....they’re still in the running. I could see the NFL Trade Deadline being a perfect time to unload Watson and still get a king’s ransom in the process.....from the Eagles.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I hope Hurts ball out next year.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Wait.. It does not say trade Watson for Rogers.Watson for Rogers trade
Giants' Dave Gettleman talks potential Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson trade
Giants GM Dave Gettleman talked about a potential trade for Aaron Rodgers or Deshaun Watson.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yes the only advantage that I see to trading him sooner is to have it locked in but I do agree that it would be best draft pick wise is to wait and not give Philadelphia any help.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I suggest you actually read the article as it does not say anything about Houston trading for Rogers.
Texian
Hall of Fame
There are a couple of back stories here:
Peyton Manning was the Colts QB for 6 of 8 of Kubiak' years with the Texans.
O'Brien never faced Manning as the Colts QB.
Kubiak inherited a very bad team.
O'Brien inherited a 12 - 4 team before Matt Schaub went brain dead.
The AFC South was the worst conference in the NFL most of O'Brien's tenure with the Texans.
O'Brien as the Texans HC had a losing record against teams .500 or above.
Texian
Hall of Fame
You will always have greater value after the season is over.
I dunno but at this point perhaps we should take the first appealing offer we get before something else unsavory comess out about him
Number19
Hall of Fame
We need to replace Watson and we need to replace Watt. At a minimum, to trade Watson, we need a 1 and a 2 in 2022 and a 1 and a 2 in 2023. Before the Watson fiasco, I believe there was strong concensus that any trade would involve 3 1's; so I believe a 1 and a 2 in both 2022 and 2023 is a reasonable floor to begin negotiations. Also, the best guess on the placement of these picks should be a consideration, whether in the top half or bottom half of the round. If we were to get an offer this year at the trading deadline, this most likely would be from a team in the playoff hunt. Meaning draft picks offered are likely to be in the bottom half of rounds.
I'd like to come out of this with two impact defensive pass rushers and, of course, a QB. And I'm hopeful that our QB problem is already solved with Mills. But we need the picks if he's not.
I'd like to come out of this with two impact defensive pass rushers and, of course, a QB. And I'm hopeful that our QB problem is already solved with Mills. But we need the picks if he's not.
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Yeah, I know all of that.
But, like Bill Parcells said, "You are what your record says you are."
At the end of the day, the ONLY thing that really matters in the NFL is winning games, even if for some coaches it means depleting draft capital and screwing the future.
btw, I wasn't trying to defend King Bill. It was just a purely objective analysis. He was still better than Dom Capers.
Another guy with a high opinion of DW4.
I dont, Caserio needs Hurts to suck. That may start a bidding war.
And he did more than Kubiak in a shorter period of time.
Kubiak/BOB did have 2 things in common during their regimes, The McNair's and Ricky.
Exactly
His value is already low, you know there's another 20-25 women out there just waiting for their chance to get a bite at the Oily Watson.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I’m all for second chance because the God I serve has given me chance after chance after chance. But on the cool Watson might not set foot on another NFL football field for a long time. If convicted of course. Therefore, the Texans have to plan accordingly. Meaning they might not get squat for Watson.
If he doesn’t get convicted, the Texans imo should trade him to the worst team in the NFL.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Sure but every game in 2021 that Watson then helps them to win drives that eagle first round pick down in the draft. Our own round one should get us choice of quarterbacks and the Eagles at probably 1.3 or 1.4 should bring us cornerback Derek Stingley whom I project as a pro bowler Year One.
It was sad to see that Sam Ehlinger former University of Texas quarterback drafted by the Colts younger brother Jake died this week.
Texas LB Jake Ehlinger Found Dead, Death Not Considered Suspicious
Police reportedly say the death of Texas linebacker Jake Ehlinger, brother of Colts rookie QB Sam Ehlinger, is not considered suspicious.
www.si.com
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
OB inherited a solid team from Kubiak that was missing a QB. Kubiak had a broken Carr (pun intended) and had to rebuild the entire team from Capers and Casserly.
I know you know that.
And an old OL
Plus after AJ had his hamstring clipped he wasn't the same, although he was still productive.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If the Eagles are in the running (-.500 means in the running) but Hurts just isn’t delivering the goods as hoped for......Texans would be wise to go ahead and strike a deal if the Eagles are game b/c the deal may not present itself in the off-season. That could be impacted if Rogers refuses to report to the Packers. I wouldn’t see Watson refusing a deal to the Eagles either.
They need to get a deal done as quickly as possible because there are probably another 25 complaintants out there. Cant take the that chance.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Because I have pushed a trade of Watson to Dolphins and Eagles I just read that Flores of Miami has signed Jason McCourty cornerback. The 12-year veteran did not have a great 20/20 but some think and this is to strengthen the idea of Xavier and Howard being traded. The safety I like Jevon Holland can also play corner. The writer of this link states he does not believe Howard will be traded but I sure am interested in Holland.
What link?
Number19
Hall of Fame
I certainly wouldn't want to see a repeat of the recent past, where they supposedly weren't taking offers, with the intent of not doing so until just before the draft in April.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I only mentioned the Eagles as possible landing spots but in all reality the NFC East has 3 teams that could be suitors for Watson the moment this legal stuff is behind him. I could see the WFT and NYG as teams with just as much interest as the Eagles when the time is right.
The NFC East could potentially crown a .500 team its champion in 2021 and QB play might be a big reason why. Dallas would be in the same boat but they did re-sign Dak. The NYG are going to be watching Jones really close to determine if he’s their answer going forward b/c he’s in year 3. WFT has Fitzpatrick, Heinicke, and Allen which screams.....potential deep water if Fitzpatrick goes down or he’s not having the year they were expecting. IMHO the WFT are going to be buyers come the deadline if the offense isn’t clicking on all cylinders and knowing their defense could be one of the best in the NFL.
Currently the Eagles have (3) 2022 RD1 Picks, the Giants have (2) and WFT has (1) which means they all possess the draft capital to be serious suitors for Watson if their QB positions have to be addressed. Of course, the teams mentioned represents the best group for Watson should the Texans move him before the deadline. If the Texans don’t get any offers before the deadline, then these teams and more should be preparing offers in the off-season.
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To be fair/objective, O'Brien inherited a better roster but the team itself was 2-14.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
If the Texans are smart they might want to trade him now if they are allowed. Nobody has any idea what is going to happen with the legal stuff. He could just have to pay money as a settlement and that is it. Then the NFL will suspend him for 6 games on the good side and a season on the bad. But, he could be end up in criminal court. And if they find him guilty then he goes to jail. And the Texans get zero for him. When allowed back the NFL is still going to suspend him.
Sadly this is now down to get the best deal you can if you can. And do it now. Otherwise you might get zero
Sadly this is now down to get the best deal you can if you can. And do it now. Otherwise you might get zero
badboy
Hall of Fame
Dolphins sign Jason McCourty; number of DBs on team reaches eleventy billion
Oh the Miami Dolphins, they never stop. Whether it’s bringing in Malik Hooker for a visit and then subsequently releasing Bobby McCain, the Dolphins are always shifting the roster around like...
www.thephinsider.com
Another link with some discussion:
Dolphins Adding Another Former Patriots Player
The Miami Dolphins reportedly have agreed to terms with veteran cornerback Jason McCourty
www.si.com
badboy
Hall of Fame
For me I see two major "packages" meaning what is possible but how much is likely? and that depends on your POV about Watson and what other teams will give. Some do not want DW representing Texans and therefor think no other team wants him either. I do not agree with "no other teams want". I already know if YOU don't agree yet we know you will say it again...
Caserio 'seems' to be saying and bringing in guys to have as good a roster as he can. Is it a roster that wins now and lowers any future draft picks? That thought leads me to
Miami Dolphins send 2020 1.6 [1600] WR Jaylen Waddle +1.18 [900] Jaelan Phillips DE + 2.36 [540] Safety Jevon Holland + QB Tu'a Tagovailoa + CB Xavian Howard.
Plus 2022 round one from San Francisco estimated to be around 1.27.
Plus 2023 round one.
The concern I have with this is it is a very strong group and could move Texans out of contention for a top 8 QB in 2022 with their own pick. I personally think Tag will be good enough to continue as an NFL QB. I believe Caserio is building the team to do well with a good if not great QB until he can get what he wants. Tag's post June 1st trade costs Houston less than $1 million avg. 2021 thru 2023 and we'd control his 5th year 2024. This would be a huge deal even if he is only a good QB. This is a low risk high reward veteran we all ask for. If he cannot start or remain healthy that would mean we have a higher draft pick in 22.
Another positive about this package it should remain available at any point up to TC of 2022. As I watched the draft I kept thinking Miami's picks fit extremely well with Texans needs. Throw in a CB of Xavian's caliber and his amazing stats and another high priority position would be filled.
Philadelphia 2021 1.10 [1300 but I value at 1.12 1200 as they traded up & could have had him at 12] WR Devonta Smith *his true weight of 166 rather than 175 most expected may indicate difficulty maintaining but he is an awesome target. + 2.37 C/OG Landon Dickerson who arguably is injury prone. He had to pass medicals for Eagles to draft him this high. So both are risky but IMO well worth gamble.
sends three round ones in 2022 and edge rusher 25 YOA Derek Barnett who is in last contract year at $10 million base which matches the base for DW. Barnett can be allowed to leave after 2021 season with a possible comp pick or re-signed. Utilizing the point system [which I do] those round ones are considered only comparable to second rounds until after 2021 season. Still, it is hard not to get a bit pumped getting three round ones in 2022. Most trade scenarios that suggested picks for DW prior to the explosion had firsts and seconds over two to three drafts (with exception of Dolphins) so three in one year is significant.
Trade now or after '21? Of the three firsts only Eagle's own would be impacted possibly if DW starts for them most of season. The Dolphins and Indy's (other two involved) impacted only if they play vs Philly and I ain't spending time to research. Would/should QB Jalen Hurts be part of the trade? My friend who taught both Jalen and his coach father in Channelview gives a hearty 'hell yeah!' but would Philly agree? Probably if they knew how many games DW would be available and if they believe Flacco could keep team afloat until Watson takes the reins.
Summary of this deal : Smith + Dickerson + three 2022 round ones plus Barnett and Hurts.
Caserio 'seems' to be saying and bringing in guys to have as good a roster as he can. Is it a roster that wins now and lowers any future draft picks? That thought leads me to
Miami Dolphins send 2020 1.6 [1600] WR Jaylen Waddle +1.18 [900] Jaelan Phillips DE + 2.36 [540] Safety Jevon Holland + QB Tu'a Tagovailoa + CB Xavian Howard.
Plus 2022 round one from San Francisco estimated to be around 1.27.
Plus 2023 round one.
The concern I have with this is it is a very strong group and could move Texans out of contention for a top 8 QB in 2022 with their own pick. I personally think Tag will be good enough to continue as an NFL QB. I believe Caserio is building the team to do well with a good if not great QB until he can get what he wants. Tag's post June 1st trade costs Houston less than $1 million avg. 2021 thru 2023 and we'd control his 5th year 2024. This would be a huge deal even if he is only a good QB. This is a low risk high reward veteran we all ask for. If he cannot start or remain healthy that would mean we have a higher draft pick in 22.
Another positive about this package it should remain available at any point up to TC of 2022. As I watched the draft I kept thinking Miami's picks fit extremely well with Texans needs. Throw in a CB of Xavian's caliber and his amazing stats and another high priority position would be filled.
Philadelphia 2021 1.10 [1300 but I value at 1.12 1200 as they traded up & could have had him at 12] WR Devonta Smith *his true weight of 166 rather than 175 most expected may indicate difficulty maintaining but he is an awesome target. + 2.37 C/OG Landon Dickerson who arguably is injury prone. He had to pass medicals for Eagles to draft him this high. So both are risky but IMO well worth gamble.
sends three round ones in 2022 and edge rusher 25 YOA Derek Barnett who is in last contract year at $10 million base which matches the base for DW. Barnett can be allowed to leave after 2021 season with a possible comp pick or re-signed. Utilizing the point system [which I do] those round ones are considered only comparable to second rounds until after 2021 season. Still, it is hard not to get a bit pumped getting three round ones in 2022. Most trade scenarios that suggested picks for DW prior to the explosion had firsts and seconds over two to three drafts (with exception of Dolphins) so three in one year is significant.
Trade now or after '21? Of the three firsts only Eagle's own would be impacted possibly if DW starts for them most of season. The Dolphins and Indy's (other two involved) impacted only if they play vs Philly and I ain't spending time to research. Would/should QB Jalen Hurts be part of the trade? My friend who taught both Jalen and his coach father in Channelview gives a hearty 'hell yeah!' but would Philly agree? Probably if they knew how many games DW would be available and if they believe Flacco could keep team afloat until Watson takes the reins.
Summary of this deal : Smith + Dickerson + three 2022 round ones plus Barnett and Hurts.
