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What is Watson's value in a trade?

badboy

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Going forward based on posts in other threads; I'm not interested in whether he should be; bombastic statements; or back and forth rants as there are already threads for those. This thread is based upon statements made whether proven or not about Watson being go to guy going forward.

1. IF O'Brien continues his role and NOTHING indicates he will not. Again opinions not wanted!
2. IF Watson is not the QB O'Brien wants regardless of why. Again opinions not wanted!
3. IF Watson is a top 5 franchise QB or will be one next season or two and most on MB say yes.
4. I do not care whether you think CAL will allow trade or not as none of us have a clue.

Then what value does a top 5 franchise QB with #4 age, skills and stats and two years left on his rookie deal suggest? This type QB should not be compared with other positional guys who may have been traded recently as QB is by far most important and hardest to attain.

From another thread:
And I think it would be totally irresponsible to not explore all options to make team better.
Perhaps a thread to determine some ideas of what people think Watson would bring in a draft? Or it could be included in this thread but I'd rather have it where it would be limited to just that topic. I am not interested in anyone slamming another posters comments for any reason or arguing whether he should or should not be traded but simply his value. I think it would be great also if someone could defend their suggestion as to why That trade would be beneficial.
 

Speedy

Yeller Dweller
The only value in trading Watson would be that it gets OB out of here because without Watson, he ain't winning at the .632 clip he is with him. Other than that, there is no value in trading Watson because it doesn't matter what you'd get back with this regime in place.
 

steelbtexan

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Questions? 1) you risk a number 5 on Tua's hip? 2) Herbert has rep of ignoring left side of field. Isn't that part of your criticism of Watson? He seems to have a very strong arm.
I actually like both Herbert. He played in that Wonky offense but is very accurate and has a very strong arm. With alot of work Jordan Love could become the best QB in this class minus Burrow. Who I think is the next great QB but probably wont be playing for the Bengals/Brown.

After seeing CnD's posts I wouldn't touch Tua.
 

OptimisticTexan

6 Years- 1 Game and Counting!!!!
I think Watson could gain 4-6 picks depending on how they're layered between this draft and the next.

I'd like to think the Redskins would be a great team to make a deal with. They have the #2 pick overall. Watson or Haskins would be he big question

I'm a trench guy so freeing up the potential money to make a move to fortify the trenches is my play here. First, I'm all n on giving Scherff the money needed to make him a Texan. Second, I'm drafting EDGE/DE, Chase Young, Ohio State with that #2 pick. Young is supposed to be another one of those once in a generation type of players. Bookend him with Watt and suddenly the defense is much-much stronger.

For 2020 season, I'm handing the ball over to McCarron who I thought actually ran OB's offense pretty good. I could see him elevating his game as he progressed through a season.

If I'm moving Watson....I might not have that many reservations in moving Hopkins if the price were right. I could do a lot with that cap space and still have the picks needed to draft a shiny new RB and WR.

Tough moves that could really make the team better in a hurry.
 
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Here is the problem with trying to figure out his value, it changes based on what team we are dealing with. I actually don't think he has much value to a team like Cinni because they can use their 1:1 to get Burrow who will make just as big a splash, will be on a rookie contract so they can have time to put weapons around him and has much less of an injury history.

My minimal for trading him would be 1:1 if there is a Burrow in the pipeline I knew I could get or 1:2 with at least another first rounder that same year or a 1st and 2nd the next year, again dependent on who will be in the draft. Its pointless to trade your star QB if you are then going to be back on the QB carousel for several years. I agree with Opt. if I'm blowing everything up that much anyway I'd take a hard look at all the players and go into full rebuild mode and yes I wouldn't even consider doing this without a new GM and HC in place then let them build the team as they want.

Only player I wouldn't trade is Watt and that's mainly for non-football reasons and because I don't think he will play for many more years and I'd rather see him retire a Texan. Plus with his injury history I don't think you'd get that great a value out of him compared to what you get keeping him in a Texans uniform.

Edit: It also depends on where those 1STs are. A 1st in the 20-32 range doesn't have near the value of a 1st in the 1-5 range.
 

DocBar

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Three 1s and three 2s would be the absolute minimum for me. It would also not be a deal within the AFC South, hopefully not within the AFC period.
I would entertain Cinci, but IMO Washington would be the better trade market due to being in the NFC.
I would have to take Burrows at 1.1 and red-shirt him in 2020 behind McCarron.
I would draft Young at 1.2 and lean on McCarron as my starting QB as I don't think there's another QB in the draft worthy of being selected at that spot and pass rush being a major area of need. Hopefully, Watt will be able to mentor Young for a few seasons.
 

badboy

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You mean useful. The Texans finally get there qb. Pay him w.e he wants. Generational talented qbs don’t grow on trees.
The purpose of this is determine worth not whether you think he should be traded. A "generational" qb is greater than a "franchise". Can you realistically put a value on that for this thread? If not go play in other threads.
 

badboy

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Three 1s and three 2s would be the absolute minimum for me. It would also not be a deal within the AFC South, hopefully not within the AFC period.
I would entertain Cinci, but IMO Washington would be the better trade market due to being in the NFC.
I would have to take Burrows at 1.1 and red-shirt him in 2020 behind McCarron.
I would draft Young at 1.2 and lean on McCarron as my starting QB as I don't think there's another QB in the draft worthy of being selected at that spot and pass rush being a major area of need. Hopefully, Watt will be able to mentor Young for a few seasons.
Ok thanks! now...why would Washington give up on Haskins? Granted he had an average year but could they afford to move their 2019 # 15 pick? If so, they could recover some of the pick two costs.

Also--- three ones and three twos--would you do that if you were Miami or Raiders for example? I would have to have most if not all of the trade helping Houston this draft not so much in future.
 

badboy

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I think Watson could gain 4-6 picks depending on how they're layered between this draft and the next.

I'd like to think the Redskins would be a great team to make a deal with. They have the #2 pick overall. Watson or Haskins would be he big question

I'm a trench guy so freeing up the potential money to make a move to fortify the trenches is my play here. First, I'm all n on giving Scherff the money needed to make him a Texan. Second, I'm drafting EDGE/DE, Chase Young, Ohio State with that #2 pick. Young is supposed to be another one of those once in a generation type of players. Bookend him with Watt and suddenly the defense is much-much stronger.

For 2020 season, I'm handing the ball over to McCarron who I thought actually ran OB's offense pretty good. I could see him elevating his game as he progressed through a season.

If I'm moving Watson....I might not have that many reservations in moving Hopkins if the price were right. I could do a lot with that cap space and still have the picks needed to draft a shiny new RB and WR.

Tough moves that could really make the team better in a hurry.
If we were to move from #4 Hopkins could come into play but we would have to bring in at least one WR that immediately becomes the #1 as would a Jerry Jeudy. This draft and off season looks like perfect time to consider these moves. You know I am pushing for Scherff as he would allow this line (Howard back) into a higher level of protection for our 2020 QB. I like Young also as he is one of three "can't miss" in this draft with Jeudy and Burrows.

Question..what would we have to throw in with Hopkins to get 1.2 and Young? Example Hopkins and our second for 1.2 for Chase Young and then Watson for 1.1 & 2.33? Or Watson to Miami for their three firsts plus?
 
If we are just talking about open market I would say Watson's trade value to be a top 5 1st round and a top of 2nd round in a single draft year. Once you start factoring in other years it gets trickier because a 1st next year is really only worth a 2nd this year. That's his open market value IMO, his value to an individual team is where things really start jumping around. You take a team like the Viking and I can see him being worth two 1sts, two 2nds and some later rounds because you could argue they are a QB away from a real run. Trouble is the Viking are drafting so high its not worth it because you are still going to have to try and turn those picks around to get a top 3 pick so you can get Watson's replacement.

On the other hand take a team like Miami and its not worth it to them because they have so many other holes to fill before they are ready for a star QB. Better for them to draft a guy and let him clipboard for a year or two while he is cheap and you build up the rest of the team. Cinni is a cheap ass org and they are not going to take Watson with that big money contract coming up when they can draft Burrows, a home town guy as well, and have him cheap for 5 years.

Long story short I wouldn't trade Watson mainly because the value you could get isn't great enough. Teams that has a high enough picks have more needs than just a QB can solve and teams that just need a QB are drafting to late in the round for it to be worth it. If we were like the Pats were a couple of years ago and had Jimmy G as the heir ready to go or Dallas when Romo was still there and Dak was clip boarding then you are much more free to trade the starter because you aren't going to have to try and fleece another team out of a new star QB.

In the Texans situation its not worth it to trade him unless we are committed to tanking for the next 3 years in rebuild mode.
 

badboy

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I think two first is the bare minimum and at two firsts I would be extremely reluctant. Three firsts would be much better and is closer to what I would require to make the deal.
So Miami's 1.5 +1.18 + 1.20 rather than Bengals 1.1 + 2.33 even if it moved Joe Burrows off your board? If Watson goes we must have a plan to replace him. If haul is enough I could go one season with McCarran while a Jordan Love or Anthony Gordon learned.
 

badboy

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Three 1s and three 2s would be the absolute minimum for me. It would also not be a deal within the AFC South, hopefully not within the AFC period.
I would entertain Cinci, but IMO Washington would be the better trade market due to being in the NFC.
I would have to take Burrows at 1.1 and red-shirt him in 2020 behind McCarron.
I would draft Young at 1.2 and lean on McCarron as my starting QB as I don't think there's another QB in the draft worthy of being selected at that spot and pass rush being a major area of need. Hopefully, Watt will be able to mentor Young for a few seasons.
Not being facetious but do you know enough about Burrows to say he could not start immediately? Watching him and reading tons of evaluations I think he could start day one but I'm not against him sitting a bit behind McCarron. A trade with Miami could bring you two or three first round starters and probably at least one or two in round two.

1.5 WR Jerry Jeudy 1.18 WR Henry Ruggs (sub 4.3 forty expected) 1.26 CB Trevon Diggs.

Also I think Jags could be interested if we offered #5 for their # 9 and and #20.
 

Texas Jake

Rookie
So Miami's 1.5 +1.18 + 1.20 rather than Bengals 1.1 + 2.33 even if it moved Joe Burrows off your board? If Watson goes we must have a plan to replace him. If haul is enough I could go one season with McCarran while a Jordan Love or Anthony Gordon learned.
If I got a 1:1, that changes the equation somewhat. It would really depend on who is available 1:1 and what the alternatives are later in the draft.
 

Texas Jake

Rookie
Not being facetious but do you know enough about Burrows to say he could not start immediately? Watching him and reading tons of evaluations I think he could start day one but I'm not against him sitting a bit behind McCarron. A trade with Miami could bring you two or three first round starters and probably at least one or two in round two.

1.5 WR Jerry Jeudy 1.18 WR Henry Ruggs (sub 4.3 forty expected) 1.26 CB Trevon Diggs.

Also I think Jags could be interested if we offered #5 for their # 9 and and #20.
I like to see a rookie sit the first year and learn, no matter how good they are. That is how it used to be done and it seems to have worked out quite well for Mahomes.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
If I got a 1:1, that changes the equation somewhat. It would really depend on who is available 1:1 and what the alternatives are later in the draft.
Yes and options are multiple: QB Joe Burrows considered best college QB in 10 years; Chase Young DE/OLB considered a "generational" player as was JD Clowney coming out of college. Okudah perhaps the best cover man cornerback in years. WR Jerry Jeudy an francise type WR. Or you could trade down 1.1 to get one of these and pick up other picks. Example Watson for 1.1 and 2.33 then trade 1.1 to Dolphins for a ton. Four to six starters for Watson would be difficult to ignore.
 

Double Barrel

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~~~hypothetical just for fun~~~

Just for fun to talk about (because this off-season is going to be long AF). . .

I'd say no less than 2 x 1st round picks and a handful of other picks (i.e. some 2's and 3's) for Watson.

I'd also figure this is a reset - i.e. rebuild move - so you go ahead and shop Nuk and JJ, as well.

Clean house, get a real GM that is on the same page as his HC (yeah, go traditional and let the GM hire his coach), and stock up on draft picks.

Build the line asap, throwing money at the best line coach in existence. Same with D-line. Everything starts in the trenches. Build that foundation and the skill players look a whole lot better and are actually effective.

I wish we had a franchise that had vision. . .any vision. . .ever. . .

~~~hypothetical just for fun~~~
 

Corrosion

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Except Watson isn't a 6 game streak wonder..

What's depressing after this horrific week as a Houston sports fan (like that wasn't depressing enough.. holy hell, worst week ever) is how quick some posters are willing to pull the trigger on a Watson trade.. despite his success in his young career and him most likely being the only resemblance of hope this city has left sports wise.

I don't at all support a trade of Watson , not right now , in the future ? Maybe.

I think its just an interesting subject to kick around - a hypothetical.
 

Corrosion

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~~~hypothetical just for fun~~~

Just for fun to talk about (because this off-season is going to be long AF). . .

I'd say no less than 2 x 1st round picks and a handful of other picks (i.e. some 2's and 3's) for Watson.

I'd also figure this is a reset - i.e. rebuild move - so you go ahead and shop Nuk and JJ, as well.

Clean house, get a real GM that is on the same page as his HC (yeah, go traditional and let the GM hire his coach), and stock up on draft picks.

Build the line asap, throwing money at the best line coach in existence. Same with D-line. Everything starts in the trenches. Build that foundation and the skill players look a whole lot better and are actually effective.

I wish we had a franchise that had vision. . .any vision. . .ever. . .

~~~hypothetical just for fun~~~

I didn't read this until after I responded to the above post …. pretty much coulda quoted this and left it at that.
 

Corrosion

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Could you elaborate on "plus". If Watson is a franchise like so many believe isn't he worth 2.33 also? If no why? I'm trying to really home in on this.

When we've seen teams trade 1:1 in the past , they get back a load of picks , usually multiple picks over 2-3 years …. significantly more than 1:2. And they aren't taking back players.

We don't often see big name players traded in the NFL anymore …. and when they are traded , teams don't really get much in return , Tunsil and Ramsey being outliers , just look at the Clowney trade.

The NFL is kinda the opposite of the NBA in terms of trades. Seems that multiple players on rookie scale deals are more helpful than a superstar making 10% or more of the cap. Unless of course that player is a QB.

1:1 Cincy can just take Burrow and have him on a rookie scale deal for 4-5 years rather than tying up 13% of the cap even if nothing is a sure thing. A team a QB away from contending might take that established player over a rookie with potential ….

Yeah , I think Watson could net you 1:1 and maybe a future 1. I don't know about 1:1 , 2:1 or anything more than that.

Now that all changes after 1:1 …. 1:2 , 2:2 and a future 1 would be the starting point. Get outside of the top 5 picks and the volume has to increase.
 

badboy

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If we are just talking about open market I would say Watson's trade value to be a top 5 1st round and a top of 2nd round in a single draft year. Once you start factoring in other years it gets trickier because a 1st next year is really only worth a 2nd this year. That's his open market value IMO, his value to an individual team is where things really start jumping around. You take a team like the Viking and I can see him being worth two 1sts, two 2nds and some later rounds because you could argue they are a QB away from a real run. Trouble is the Viking are drafting so high its not worth it because you are still going to have to try and turn those picks around to get a top 3 pick so you can get Watson's replacement.

On the other hand take a team like Miami and its not worth it to them because they have so many other holes to fill before they are ready for a star QB. Better for them to draft a guy and let him clipboard for a year or two while he is cheap and you build up the rest of the team. Cinni is a cheap ass org and they are not going to take Watson with that big money contract coming up when they can draft Burrows, a home town guy as well, and have him cheap for 5 years.

Long story short I wouldn't trade Watson mainly because the value you could get isn't great enough. Teams that has a high enough picks have more needs than just a QB can solve and teams that just need a QB are drafting to late in the round for it to be worth it. If we were like the Pats were a couple of years ago and had Jimmy G as the heir ready to go or Dallas when Romo was still there and Dak was clip boarding then you are much more free to trade the starter because you aren't going to have to try and fleece another team out of a new star QB.

In the Texans situation its not worth it to trade him unless we are committed to tanking for the next 3 years in rebuild mode.
I agree with several things that you say. But just some thoughts, Bengals have 50 million dollars in cap space and Dalton could be cut adding his 18 million dollars to that so they could afford Watson. A trade of Watson to Miami would resolve their biggest issue and bring us Pick 5, 18, 26, 37 + 62. Hopkins should get us 1.2 and Jags should be willing to give #9 and 20 and a third to move up to 5 for Tua or Herbert knowing Chargers could take one of them.
If we cannot make something out of 2, 9, 18, 20, 26, 37, 59, 62 and Jags third with a possible round three of our own....
 

badboy

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When we've seen teams trade 1:1 in the past , they get back a load of picks , usually multiple picks over 2-3 years …. significantly more than 1:2. And they aren't taking back players.

We don't often see big name players traded in the NFL anymore …. and when they are traded , teams don't really get much in return , Tunsil and Ramsey being outliers , just look at the Clowney trade.

The NFL is kinda the opposite of the NBA in terms of trades. Seems that multiple players on rookie scale deals are more helpful than a superstar making 10% or more of the cap. Unless of course that player is a QB.

1:1 Cincy can just take Burrow and have him on a rookie scale deal for 4-5 years rather than tying up 13% of the cap even if nothing is a sure thing. A team a QB away from contending might take that established player over a rookie with potential ….

Yeah , I think Watson could net you 1:1 and maybe a future 1. I don't know about 1:1 , 2:1 or anything more than that.

Now that all changes after 1:1 …. 1:2 , 2:2 and a future 1 would be the starting point. Get outside of the top 5 picks and the volume has to increase.
Thanks for the info! Just a thought a first round in 2021 would be like getting a second round in 2020. Bengals 1.1 20 and 1.1 2021 (2.1 this draft). Trades like Ramsey and tunsil could be a sign of things to come And precedent setting.
Question if Watson could bring you 1.1 + 2.33 would you have to have Burrow as your first pick? Could you keep 33 and trade 1.1 to Miami for a ton?
 
I agree with several things that you say. But just some thoughts, Bengals have 50 million dollars in cap space and Dalton could be cut adding his 18 million dollars to that so they could afford Watson. A trade of Watson to Miami would resolve their biggest issue and bring us Pick 5, 18, 26, 37 + 62. Hopkins should get us 1.2 and Jags should be willing to give #9 and 20 and a third to move up to 5 for Tua or Herbert knowing Chargers could take one of them.
If we cannot make something out of 2, 9, 18, 20, 26, 37, 59, 62 and Jags third with a possible round three of our own....
Think you are underestimating how cheap and bad an org the Bengals are. Much as people complain about the McNairs Cal is a football genius compared to Mike Brown. Remember this is the guy that wanted to move a DE to fill in for an injured TE. Honestly I’m not sure Marvin Lewis wouldn’t have been a good coach any where else.

As far as Miami goes they are hoarding picks so I don’t see them trading those away for any player. They smell blood on the water with NE so they’ve gone full rebuild hoping to get ahead of the NE rebuild. Miami is basically made up of Parker right now so even if they did bring Watson in they know they don’t have a team to put around him. Hell they just traded their LT to us. So if you are Miami why go all in on even Watson when you can use those same picks to fill in multiple other holes and still get a possible franchise QB on a brand new rookie contract?

Here’s another factor to consider, if we trade Watson and Hop every other team will know exactly what, and most likely who, we are targeting which means they will make us pay through the nose. This is especially true for an in division rival like the Jags.
 

OptimisticTexan

6 Years- 1 Game and Counting!!!!
In regards to my post, I'm going to try and attach the picks and teams involved.

Watson to Redskins

I think the opportunity to have Watson as QB1 would far outweigh the potential of Haskins. Watson would get butts into the seats.....fast. This would seem like a move Snyder would have no problems making. Redskins could market Haskins for pick(s) or let him do another season while he is QB2. Probably a better move than letting CK hang around sat his current cap hit. Redskins trade or release Keenum and let Haskins backup Watson. Redskins could trade him next season or in season should injuries hit other teams.

I'd like to a return of:
2020: RD1-02-002
2020: RD3-02-066

2021: RD1
2021: RD3

**I wouldn't' expect any team to give up their draft for a top player. I know Ditka and the Vikings did but not anymore.**

**I fully expect the 2021 RD1 pick to be inside the Top 10. Also worth mentioning, a 2021 RD1 will maintain its same value if a team chose to use it as a trade chip in the 2021 draft.**

This trade would include, Troy Apke / FS / Drafted 2018 RD4 / Penn St / 6-1 @ 215 lbs / Combine: 4.3-40 / Prospect Rating: 5.14

As for Hopkins, I think the Dolphins have the capital to entertain this trade. Dolphins will be taking a QB with the RD1-05 pick and I don't think they deal this pick even for Hopkins. However, getting Hopkins to go with a new QB or veteran would be very appealing to the Dolphins. They cannot draft a Hopkins type of receiver in the 2020 draft. I wouldn't be shocked if the Dolphins made a play for Brady if he and the Patriots decide to part ways......pure speculation but I like the need and location as a motivating factor. Having Hopkins there probably wouldn't' hurt either.

I'd like to a return of:
2020: RD1-18-018
2020: RD2-07-039

2021: RD3

2020 Texans Draft Picks:
RD1-02-002
RD1-18-018

RD2-07-039
RD2-25-057

RD3-02-066
RD3 COMP

**COMP Picks After RD3 Change Projected Pick Number**

RD4-05-101
RD4-24-120

RD5-25-154

RD7-25-218
RD7 COMP

I'd sign UFA RG, Brandon Scherff

RD1-02- EDGE/DE Chase Young Ohio State

RD1-18- Trade back for additional picks if: RB / Jonathan Taylor / Wisconsin is still on the board. I'd have zero regret taking him at 18 if I had to but he might last a little longer.

This draft is deep in receivers and finding a replacement for Hopkins would be challenging but doable.

I'd focus on everything but QB in this draft. Hand the reins to McCarron for 2020, draft a solid developmental QB in RD4 and go QB hunting in 2021 with acquired draft capital.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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Thanks for the info! Just a thought a first round in 2021 would be like getting a second round in 2020. Bengals 1.1 20 and 1.1 2021 (2.1 this draft). Trades like Ramsey and tunsil could be a sign of things to come And precedent setting.
Question if Watson could bring you 1.1 + 2.33 would you have to have Burrow as your first pick? Could you keep 33 and trade 1.1 to Miami for a ton?

If I moved Watson for 1:1 and 2:1 …. yeah , I think I'd take Burrow 1:1. You gotta have a quality QB and he's a top quality prospect. 2:1 I'd probably be looking at a DB or edge rusher.

Wouldn't entertain the idea of trading 1:1 to Miami. Give me the best QB prospect and lets go to war.
This starts my 5 year clock on winning it all while that QB is on his rookie deal and I have plenty of talent on the offensive side of the ball to set that in motion , now its time to put some assets on defense , specifically corners and an edge rusher or two.
 

badboy

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Think you are underestimating how cheap and bad an org the Bengals are. Much as people complain about the McNairs Cal is a football genius compared to Mike Brown. Remember this is the guy that wanted to move a DE to fill in for an injured TE. Honestly I’m not sure Marvin Lewis wouldn’t have been a good coach any where else.

As far as Miami goes they are hoarding picks so I don’t see them trading those away for any player. They smell blood on the water with NE so they’ve gone full rebuild hoping to get ahead of the NE rebuild. Miami is basically made up of Parker right now so even if they did bring Watson in they know they don’t have a team to put around him. Hell they just traded their LT to us. So if you are Miami why go all in on even Watson when you can use those same picks to fill in multiple other holes and still get a possible franchise QB on a brand new rookie contract?

Here’s another factor to consider, if we trade Watson and Hop every other team will know exactly what, and most likely who, we are targeting which means they will make us pay through the nose. This is especially true for an in division rival like the Jags.
I enjoy your thoughts and understand your point about Dolphins. However, they have seen what NE has done with a Brady and it can be argued there are only 2 possible QBs that might give Dolphins that; Burrow who should go to Cincy and Watson. Tua pre-injury, yes.

At #26 OT Mekhi Benton who is projected to Miami at 18 would still there so they have QB Watson + Becton (or Austin Jackson) +2 .39 CB Gladney as projected. They lose none of their projected positions and get Watson over Tua or Herbert. Texans get 1.5 +1.18 + 2.56.

$91 million = $4 savings by moving Fitzpatrick can bring in some quality. No one thinks Miami will not be picking high in 2021 even with no trades but having a Watson would sure calm fans down.

Trading Hopkins for #2 (Chase Young) would indeed let teams know we want a WR but who would trade above #5 for Jeudy & even if it happened many have Cee Dee Lamb rated equal or better than Jeudy. My QB is not projected until round 5.
 

DocBar

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Not being facetious but do you know enough about Burrows to say he could not start immediately? Watching him and reading tons of evaluations I think he could start day one but I'm not against him sitting a bit behind McCarron. A trade with Miami could bring you two or three first round starters and probably at least one or two in round two.

1.5 WR Jerry Jeudy 1.18 WR Henry Ruggs (sub 4.3 forty expected) 1.26 CB Trevon Diggs.

Also I think Jags could be interested if we offered #5 for their # 9 and and #20.
After my horrible opinion between Savage and Watson, I would be fine with Burrows starting opening day if he was the better of the two QBs.
I wouldn't trade Watson inside the division, so Jacksonville would be a no go for me.
 

badboy

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In regards to my post, I'm going to try and attach the picks and teams involved.

Watson to Redskins

I think the opportunity to have Watson as QB1 would far outweigh the potential of Haskins. Watson would get butts into the seats.....fast. This would seem like a move Snyder would have no problems making. Redskins could market Haskins for pick(s) or let him do another season while he is QB2. Probably a better move than letting CK hang around sat his current cap hit. Redskins trade or release Keenum and let Haskins backup Watson. Redskins could trade him next season or in season should injuries hit other teams.

I'd like to a return of:
2020: RD1-02-002
2020: RD3-02-066

2021: RD1
2021: RD3

**I wouldn't' expect any team to give up their draft for a top player. I know Ditka and the Vikings did but not anymore.**

**I fully expect the 2021 RD1 pick to be inside the Top 10. Also worth mentioning, a 2021 RD1 will maintain its same value if a team chose to use it as a trade chip in the 2021 draft.**

This trade would include, Troy Apke / FS / Drafted 2018 RD4 / Penn St / 6-1 @ 215 lbs / Combine: 4.3-40 / Prospect Rating: 5.14

As for Hopkins, I think the Dolphins have the capital to entertain this trade. Dolphins will be taking a QB with the RD1-05 pick and I don't think they deal this pick even for Hopkins. However, getting Hopkins to go with a new QB or veteran would be very appealing to the Dolphins. They cannot draft a Hopkins type of receiver in the 2020 draft. I wouldn't be shocked if the Dolphins made a play for Brady if he and the Patriots decide to part ways......pure speculation but I like the need and location as a motivating factor. Having Hopkins there probably wouldn't' hurt either.

I'd like to a return of:
2020: RD1-18-018
2020: RD2-07-039

2021: RD3

2020 Texans Draft Picks:
RD1-02-002
RD1-18-018

RD2-07-039
RD2-25-057

RD3-02-066
RD3 COMP

**COMP Picks After RD3 Change Projected Pick Number**

RD4-05-101
RD4-24-120

RD5-25-154

RD7-25-218
RD7 COMP

I'd sign UFA RG, Brandon Scherff

RD1-02- EDGE/DE Chase Young Ohio State

RD1-18- Trade back for additional picks if: RB / Jonathan Taylor / Wisconsin is still on the board. I'd have zero regret taking him at 18 if I had to but he might last a little longer.

This draft is deep in receivers and finding a replacement for Hopkins would be challenging but doable.

I'd focus on everything but QB in this draft. Hand the reins to McCarron for 2020, draft a solid developmental QB in RD4 and go QB hunting in 2021 with acquired draft capital.
This is the thinking I was hoping for. The more I reviewed better I liked it especially getting Apke. The biggest negative for me would be WR but if I could get Ruggs at #18 & we probably could, I would. Adding Scherff to current roster would allow me to be even less nervous about starting McCarran & I could still get my guy Anthony Gordon. I would ask for more for both players thinking #26 for Hop.

Keenum is UFA and Haskins would be dead $ issue but not overwhelming if traded.
 

KA4Texan

Weirdo Mode Engaged
Contributor's Club
In my own view, you dont trade him at all, BUT in the event you were to trade him.... I would say realistically his price would likely be 2 first, maybe 3 and two seconds, maybe a few later rounds thrown in depending on his longevity/performance for the team.

IF the trade were to be made to Seattle or Miami, the price would have to go up automatically due to our last trade negotiations with them...... we over paid on both giving and taking and they "kept the change" so.... it would be the time to recoup our losses.

After all, if the price of Clowney were to be had for peanuts and Tunsil a kings ransom......it would be payback.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
In my own view, you dont trade him at all, BUT in the event you were to trade him.... I would say realistically his price would likely be 2 first, maybe 3 and two seconds, maybe a few later rounds thrown in depending on his longevity/performance for the team.

IF the trade were to be made to Seattle or Miami, the price would have to go up automatically due to our last trade negotiations with them...... we over paid on both giving and taking and they "kept the change" so.... it would be the time to recoup our losses.

After all, if the price of Clowney were to be had for peanuts and Tunsil a kings ransom......it would be payback.
Doubt Seattle wants Watson when they're paying Russell Wilson so much. I do agree with your point with Miami and why I think they would be a little bit more willing to pay.
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
So we trade Watson. Then what? OB's doing the draft picking, what the **** good are those draft picks gonna be then? Simply because of that reason alone, I'm against any trade of Watson.

Well, three 1s and a couple of 2s and I'd think about it. OB could then become the blind squirrel and find himself something. We'd have a **** load of tight ends.
 

KA4Texan

Weirdo Mode Engaged
Contributor's Club
Doubt Seattle wants Watson when they're paying Russell Wilson so much. I do agree with your point with Miami and why I think they would be a little bit more willing to pay.
Oh, I know Seattle wouldnt likely be interested, but I figured IF I were going to play the "lets trade Watson game" Id include all teams no matter how unlikely and IF in this scenario they did come knocking..... it would be an Andrew Luck kind of scenerio opening it up at QB and they would be desperate... so Id be all for raising the cost just cause of last negotiations and it being them.
 

TheKDog

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
Should be a lot more than what tunsil got.

But you know tunsil was never worth close to what we have up
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I would not be surprised to see Watson hold out on signing any new offer until after the new CBA. Looks like Dak and Derek Carr in rumors of possibly being traded and Tom Brady going to Miami, Raiders or Colts. Phillip Rivers now opting for free agency.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
2020 1st
2020 3rd
2021 1st
2021 2nd
2021 4th

I am not inclined to lose Watson, but I am intrigued to see what McCarron can do with a few extra weapons and reps as starter in OB's offense.
I would not make that deal; for me a top 10 QB vet should bring you at least two first-rounders this Current draft. Giving up what some consider a top 5 QB I would have to get back a franchise type player in the draft That would be a standout on your roster. In this draft that would have to be Chase Young, Jerry Jeudy, Burrows or Cee Dee Lamb. A QB should bring you another top 20 pick. Thanks for your thoughts!
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
it is well known that the Raiders and Dolphins desire a Watson type QB in Tua. Raiders have 1.12 & 1.19 as well as very good RB Josh Jacobs and OLB Maxx Crosby. Dolphins 1.5, 1.18 and 1.26. Both are in rumors of trading up to get Tua. Rumors of Washington 1.2 and Detroit at 1.3 are possible partners. Also Chargers want QB and poss trade up to #3 to get QB Herbert.
What would Watson's value in trade be if:

1. Bengals Burrows
2. Wash Tua as Haskins didn't look so good in his rookie year. There has been some talk that if the Skins took Tua they could trade Haskins. We do not have to look far into history to see a team drafting at 1.1 quarterback 2 years in a row. Also with Trent Williams and Scherff returning more likely; a mobile QB like Tua would probably be a better option than Haskins.
3. Chargers seeing both top-rated quarterbacks gone with Miami still at number 5 and Raiders still wanting QB trade up with Lions.
4. Best OT. Almost all mocks that I've seen lock in this pick for the picks for the Giants.

5. Miami with no remaining starter type near this pick.

Raiders could go another season with Derek Carr but all info points to them wanting to move on and possibly picking up a late first or second-round for him.
O'Brien has Cal McNair call Snyder and offer will Fuller, Keke coutee, Fulton and Bernard McKinney for Haskins + 3.66..Obrien now has a pure drop back stay in the pocket QB.
He offers Watson To both Raiders And Miami.

Raiders : 12 & 19 & Rb Jacobs & OLB Crosby.

Miami : 1.5 & 1.18 & 1.26
 
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Seegara

Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
You trade Watson for draft picks and you're trading an established star for a prospect. Even if you get a top 5 pick, you look like a stinking pile if your QB pick turns out to be another Osweiler. Watson has his flaws but his biggest asset is his confidence. I'm not saying don't trade him for some great picks, but the QB you take better be right.
 

Texansphan

All Pro
I actually like both Herbert. He played in that Wonky offense but is very accurate and has a very strong arm. With alot of work Jordan Love could become the best QB in this class minus Burrow. Who I think is the next great QB but probably wont be playing for the Bengals/Brown.

After seeing CnD's posts I wouldn't touch Tua.
Burrow might be the next big deal QB but the same was said about Ryan Leaf.
DW4 has OB looking like he knows what he is doing so a change at OC might see him doing even better things.
Iow, I am not moving on from DW4 without seeing what he could be as we already know he is proven in the NFL.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Burrow might be the next big deal QB but the same was said about Ryan Leaf.
DW4 has OB looking like he knows what he is doing so a change at OC might see him doing even better things.
Iow, I am not moving on from DW4 without seeing what he could be as we already know he is proven in the NFL.
What has he proven other than he's very inconsistent?

Hopefully Kelly will make the necessary changes within the offense to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. If he remains inconsistent after 4 yrs what do you do then?
 

Texansphan

All Pro
What has he proven other than he's very inconsistent?

Hopefully Kelly will make the necessary changes within the offense to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. If he remains inconsistent after 4 yrs what do you do then?
He's winning at around a .632 clip I believe.
Now it's time to build the team around him - that's what you do when you find a diamond in the rough.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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He's winning at around a .632 clip I believe.
Now it's time to build the team around him - that's what you do when you find a diamond in the rough.
Hopefully

You should have doubts 3 seasons in and last yrs regression.
 


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