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What is Watson's value in a trade?

badboy

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After watching the Broncos first four selection I am now interested in them as a trading partner for Watson. Cornerback Patrick surtain, running back Devonte Williams, Center guard Meinerz and Baron Browning LB. Give me 2022 rounds one and two also.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
After watching the Broncos first four selection I am now interested in them as a trading partner for Watson. Cornerback Patrick surtain, running back Devonte Williams, Center guard Meinerz and Baron Browning LB. Give me 2022 rounds one and two also.
This has been a great draft for the Broncos......I don’t think Watson brings more to the table than these four guys will over the next 4 seasons.
 

Double Barrel

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Listening to the 610 boys at lunch, and they are speculating that Philly might have three first round picks next year depending on how Wentz does with the Colts.

Assuming that a team would be willing to give up two 1st picks in one draft, I can only imagine how exciting the 2022 draft could be for us with three picks (and most likely one of them being high due to the Texans 2021 season).
 

badboy

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Listening to the 610 boys at lunch, and they are speculating that Philly might have three first round picks next year depending on how Wentz does with the Colts.

Assuming that a team would be willing to give up two 1st picks in one draft, I can only imagine how exciting the 2022 draft could be for us with three picks (and most likely one of them being high due to the Texans 2021 season).
From April 21st:
Post June 1st trade allows time for the claims against Watson to be resolved.
Eagles get Watson and Greenard.

Texans get DE/Lb Derek Bennett. His year 5 base gives Eagles $10 m cap that cancels Deshaun's 2021 base salary...even swap financially and Houston spreads dead over two years rather than one. Greenard offers a possibility of replacing Bennett.

Eagles draft rounds one and two for Houston.

Texans get Philly's three round ones which are valued as if 2021 round twos.

My suggestions:
1.12 CB Patrick Surtian if there but Dallas expected to get him. Next choice WR Jaylen Waddle arguably the best receiver in draft.

2.47 if Waddell taken at 12 I go with cornerback Kelvin Joseph. If we somehow get Surtian at 12, I hope for either Javonte Williams or wide receiver Terrace Marshall.

2022:

1.1 ours QB Tyler Shough (pronounced Shuck)

1.5 Eagle's own CB Derek Stingley

1.20 Eagle's from Colts
Safety Jordan Battle

1.22 from Dolphins

LB Christian Harris.

In summary, in 2021 terms Philly gets DW and Greenard.
Houston gets Bennett+ 1st and 2nd with three 2022 firsts equating to round twos.

A first and four seconds plus decent upside over Greenard.
* note this post was before Philly moved up to 1.10 with Dallas. The only questionable round 1 pick in 2022 is based upon the Colts and how many snaps Wentz takes.

Also interesting that I projected cornerback Kelvin Joseph at 2.47 and he went to Dallas at 2:47 if I remember correctly. Most had Joseph going as late as Round 4.

I can see dolphins offering us

1.6 WR Waddle 1.18 DE Jaelan Phillips
2.36 Kevin Holland Safety

2022 round one 2023 round ones

Plus Tua Tag and CB Xavian Howard: extremely cheap next four years and Miami does not want to rework his contract so soon.

They get their top 5 QB and avoid having to pay Bennett going forward with a shot at Greenard being that guy.
Texans get a starter and every position mentioned.

I know some here thinks we will get nothing for DeShaun but the fact that Philly and Miami are reportedly still interested says a lot.
 

Jack Burton

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After watching the Broncos first four selection I am now interested in them as a trading partner for Watson. Cornerback Patrick surtain, running back Devonte Williams, Center guard Meinerz and Baron Browning LB. Give me 2022 rounds one and two also.
They also signed 2 starters at CB in FA so the Surtain pick was odd. They really didn’t like any of these QBs in the 1st.
 

badboy

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They also signed 2 starters at CB in FA so the Surtain pick was odd. They really didn’t like any of these QBs in the 1st.
I think that Denver was hoping for some miracle to land Rogers but realistically did not see it happening. Both Packers and Texans Can use an immediate starter like surtain.
 

Jack Burton

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I think that Denver was hoping for some miracle to land Rogers but realistically did not see it happening. Both Packers and Texans Can use an immediate starter like surtain.
It still could happen. Jeez, that team is a QB away from winning the SB.
But it looks like GB stubborn ways will prevail. Or he retires.
DEN RT Juwan James just tore his Achilles. Out for the season. And they didn’t draft an OT.

When it rains it pours.
 

badboy

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It still could happen. Jeez, that team is a QB away from winning the SB.
But it looks like GB stubborn ways will prevail. Or he retires.
DEN RT Juwan James just tore his Achilles. Out for the season. And they didn’t draft an OT.

When it rains it pours.
I think Broncos are ready to go with Calvin Anderson to replace Juwan.

GB in a post June 1st trade of Rogers gets a cap space break of almost 23 million but I don't see them spending it until 2022. I just can't see Rogers going anywhere.
 

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Jack Burton

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Watson for Rogers trade

That would just be insane. I’m almost tempted to turn around and trade Rogers to the Chargers for Herbert and picks and just rebuild. I’m not sure how dazzled Rogers would be in HOU. Rogers wants to be in LA, so make it happen. Chargers are loaded, and Rogers would extend his career to another 6-8 years there.
 

DBCooper

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Yep. Well paid sacrificial lambs, but sacrificial lambs nonetheless.



From a purely objective point of view, O'Brien had 5 winning seasons and 4 AFC South division titles.

Hate the man all you want, but in the NFL the only thing that ultimately matters is wins and losses.

O'Brien was not some raving success, but he's been the best HC of the Texans so far when you compare his .520 Win % against Kubiak's .488 Win % and 2 playoff appearances as Texans HC.



Sure. But you'd have to be delusional not to admit that they might be way worse, as well.

btw, I did not predict anything. I just said the current staff is lackluster. Read anything into it more than that and you're just making stuff up in your head. :howdy:
I just threw up a little.
 

steelbtexan

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Don't forget the other side of that truth and how he decimated this team.
It certainly looks that way since Caserio is back at square 1 looking for a QB. Remind me who drafted that QB? Also who did the background research on that QB? They should be fired, keep on taking out the trash Caserio.
 

DBCooper

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It certainly looks that way since Caserio is back at square 1 looking for a QB. Remind me who drafted that QB? Also who did the background research on that QB? They should be fired, keep on taking out the trash Caserio.
I don't really care how Watson gets his jollies personally, I like the way he plays football.

But what soured me on Deshaun was when he showed he is a quitter and not a leader when he decided to take the money and leave Houston 6 months later.
 

steelbtexan

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I don't really care how Watson gets his jollies personally, I like the way he plays football.

But what soured me on Deshaun was when he showed he is a quitter and not a leader when he decided to take the money and leave Houston 6 months later.
Yep, that's the root of my disatisfaction and probably the real subconscious reason I want to see him fall and fall hard. Oh how the mighty have fallen, couldn't happen to a better guy.
 

Texian

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Here is why you wait until the start of the new league year 2022 before you trade Watson. Take Philly for example, if you trade Watson before the season starts in 2021 the Eagles with Watson could win 10 - 12 games and be picking somewhere in the 20s in the 2022 draft. If you trade Watson after the season the Eagles may end up with 4 wins and be picking in the Top 10.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
Here is why you wait until the start of the new league year 2022 before you trade Watson. Take Philly for example, if you trade Watson before the season starts in 2021 the Eagles with Watson could win 10 - 12 games and be picking somewhere in the 20s in the 2022 draft. If you trade Watson after the season the Eagles may end up with 4 wins and be picking in the Top 10.
Let’s say Watson finalizes this mess and the NFL gives him a 6-8 game suspension. In the meantime, the Eagles and Hurts aren’t doing as well as expected but being in the ultra crappy NFC East.....they’re still in the running. I could see the NFL Trade Deadline being a perfect time to unload Watson and still get a king’s ransom in the process.....from the Eagles.
 

Texansballer74

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Let’s say Watson finalizes this mess and the NFL gives him a 6-8 game suspension. In the meantime, the Eagles and Hurts aren’t doing as well as expected but being in the ultra crappy NFC East.....they’re still in the running. I could see the NFL Trade Deadline being a perfect time to unload Watson and still get a king’s ransom in the process.....from the Eagles.
I hope Hurts ball out next year.
 

badboy

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Here is why you wait until the start of the new league year 2022 before you trade Watson. Take Philly for example, if you trade Watson before the season starts in 2021 the Eagles with Watson could win 10 - 12 games and be picking somewhere in the 20s in the 2022 draft. If you trade Watson after the season the Eagles may end up with 4 wins and be picking in the Top 10.
Yes the only advantage that I see to trading him sooner is to have it locked in but I do agree that it would be best draft pick wise is to wait and not give Philadelphia any help.
 

badboy

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rodgers would retire before he came here i doubt he wants to play for houston

and the packers are just like the texans there good ol chior boys there not going to want a 23 count sex offender has there face of the franchise
I suggest you actually read the article as it does not say anything about Houston trading for Rogers.
 

Texian

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From a purely objective point of view, O'Brien had 5 winning seasons and 4 AFC South division titles.

Hate the man all you want, but in the NFL the only thing that ultimately matters is wins and losses.

O'Brien was not some raving success, but he's been the best HC of the Texans so far when you compare his .520 Win % against Kubiak's .488 Win % and 2 playoff appearances as Texans HC.
There are a couple of back stories here:

Peyton Manning was the Colts QB for 6 of 8 of Kubiak' years with the Texans.

O'Brien never faced Manning as the Colts QB.

Kubiak inherited a very bad team.

O'Brien inherited a 12 - 4 team before Matt Schaub went brain dead.

The AFC South was the worst conference in the NFL most of O'Brien's tenure with the Texans.

O'Brien as the Texans HC had a losing record against teams .500 or above.
 

Texian

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Let’s say Watson finalizes this mess and the NFL gives him a 6-8 game suspension. In the meantime, the Eagles and Hurts aren’t doing as well as expected but being in the ultra crappy NFC East.....they’re still in the running. I could see the NFL Trade Deadline being a perfect time to unload Watson and still get a king’s ransom in the process.....from the Eagles.
You will always have greater value after the season is over.
 

IDEXAN

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Here is why you wait until the start of the new league year 2022 before you trade Watson. Take Philly for example, if you trade Watson before the season starts in 2021 the Eagles with Watson could win 10 - 12 games and be picking somewhere in the 20s in the 2022 draft. If you trade Watson after the season the Eagles may end up with 4 wins and be picking in the Top 10.
I dunno but at this point perhaps we should take the first appealing offer we get before something else unsavory comess out about him
 

Number19

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We need to replace Watson and we need to replace Watt. At a minimum, to trade Watson, we need a 1 and a 2 in 2022 and a 1 and a 2 in 2023. Before the Watson fiasco, I believe there was strong concensus that any trade would involve 3 1's; so I believe a 1 and a 2 in both 2022 and 2023 is a reasonable floor to begin negotiations. Also, the best guess on the placement of these picks should be a consideration, whether in the top half or bottom half of the round. If we were to get an offer this year at the trading deadline, this most likely would be from a team in the playoff hunt. Meaning draft picks offered are likely to be in the bottom half of rounds.

I'd like to come out of this with two impact defensive pass rushers and, of course, a QB. And I'm hopeful that our QB problem is already solved with Mills. But we need the picks if he's not.
 
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Double Barrel

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There are a couple of back stories here:

Peyton Manning was the Colts QB for 6 of 8 of Kubiak' years with the Texans.

O'Brien never faced Manning as the Colts QB.

Kubiak inherited a very bad team.

O'Brien inherited a 12 - 4 team before Matt Schaub went brain dead.

The AFC South was the worst conference in the NFL most of O'Brien's tenure with the Texans.

O'Brien as the Texans HC had a losing record against teams .500 or above.
Yeah, I know all of that.

But, like Bill Parcells said, "You are what your record says you are."

At the end of the day, the ONLY thing that really matters in the NFL is winning games, even if for some coaches it means depleting draft capital and screwing the future.

btw, I wasn't trying to defend King Bill. It was just a purely objective analysis. He was still better than Dom Capers.
 

steelbtexan

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Here is why you wait until the start of the new league year 2022 before you trade Watson. Take Philly for example, if you trade Watson before the season starts in 2021 the Eagles with Watson could win 10 - 12 games and be picking somewhere in the 20s in the 2022 draft. If you trade Watson after the season the Eagles may end up with 4 wins and be picking in the Top 10.
Another guy with a high opinion of DW4.
 

steelbtexan

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Let’s say Watson finalizes this mess and the NFL gives him a 6-8 game suspension. In the meantime, the Eagles and Hurts aren’t doing as well as expected but being in the ultra crappy NFC East.....they’re still in the running. I could see the NFL Trade Deadline being a perfect time to unload Watson and still get a king’s ransom in the process.....from the Eagles.
Yep

As the Eagles try to save their season.
 

steelbtexan

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Yeah, I know all of that.

But, like Bill Parcells said, "You are what your record says you are."

At the end of the day, the ONLY thing that really matters in the NFL is winning games, even if for some coaches it means depleting draft capital and screwing the future.

btw, I wasn't trying to defend King Bill. It was just a purely objective analysis. He was still better than Dom Capers.
And he did more than Kubiak in a shorter period of time.

Kubiak/BOB did have 2 things in common during their regimes, The McNair's and Ricky.
 

steelbtexan

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I dunno but at this point perhaps we should take the first appealing offer we get before something else unsavory comess out about him
Exactly

His value is already low, you know there's another 20-25 women out there just waiting for their chance to get a bite at the Oily Watson.
 

Texansballer74

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I dont, Caserio needs Hurts to suck. That may start a bidding war.
I’m all for second chance because the God I serve has given me chance after chance after chance. But on the cool Watson might not set foot on another NFL football field for a long time. If convicted of course. Therefore, the Texans have to plan accordingly. Meaning they might not get squat for Watson.

If he doesn’t get convicted, the Texans imo should trade him to the worst team in the NFL.
 

badboy

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Let’s say Watson finalizes this mess and the NFL gives him a 6-8 game suspension. In the meantime, the Eagles and Hurts aren’t doing as well as expected but being in the ultra crappy NFC East.....they’re still in the running. I could see the NFL Trade Deadline being a perfect time to unload Watson and still get a king’s ransom in the process.....from the Eagles.
Sure but every game in 2021 that Watson then helps them to win drives that eagle first round pick down in the draft. Our own round one should get us choice of quarterbacks and the Eagles at probably 1.3 or 1.4 should bring us cornerback Derek Stingley whom I project as a pro bowler Year One.

It was sad to see that Sam Ehlinger former University of Texas quarterback drafted by the Colts younger brother Jake died this week.
 

TexansBull

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And he did more than Kubiak in a shorter period of time.

Kubiak/BOB did have 2 things in common during their regimes, The McNair's and Ricky.
OB inherited a solid team from Kubiak that was missing a QB. Kubiak had a broken Carr (pun intended) and had to rebuild the entire team from Capers and Casserly.

I know you know that.
 


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