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What is Laremy Tunsil's worth in a trade?

Corrosion said:
$22m & $27m cap hits for the next two years for a guard ? ..... No Thanks.
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I agree. It's also way too much for a one-trick pony who's only effective in Pass-Pro. He's not much to look at in the run game and he's more of a bend but don't break LT versus a dominant LT who controls everything at or beyond the LOS.

Personally, Tunsil should offer a rather nice return while offering cap relief at the position for the next few seasons.
 
Texansballer74 said:
You don’t get rid of your best linemen, you build around him. Come on BB the trade master.
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Just curious
What’s the trade value and which teams could take on both Tunsil and Watson? That could be an added component to a trade scenario. And I’m not suggesting I don’t like Tunsil.
I just think there might be other players involved possibly.
 
Jack Burton said:
Just curious
What’s the trade value and which teams could take on both Tunsil and Watson? That could be an added component to a trade scenario. And I’m not suggesting I don’t like Tunsil.
I just think there might be other players involved possibly.
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Two components here as I see it and bare with me as I'm just talking out loud...

1. What's his trade value? Is it equal to or more then we paid? If a team is willing to do that they have my ear.

2. Who's he protecting? If it's dw or some new rookie stud like Wilson then keep him. If we end up with some place holder for a season or 2 like minshew or sage rosencopter he probably needs to go elsewhere.

Embrace the suck. (Insert famous blonde 70's porn star pic.) 21 is a dead year.
 
powda said:
Two components here as I see it and bare with me as I'm just talking out loud...

1. What's his trade value? Is it equal to or more then we paid? If a team is willing to do that they have my ear.

2. Who's he protecting? If it's dw or some new rookie stud like Wilson then keep him. If we end up with some place holder for a season or 2 like minshew or sage rosencopter he probably needs to go elsewhere.

Embrace the suck. (Insert famous blonde 70's porn star pic.) 21 is a dead year.
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I agree.
I just got a weird sense that there’s a dark horse team like the chargers that are going to be the team that trades for Watson, but it won’t just be for Watson it will be multiple players including Tunsil and multiple players including Herbert go the other way, allowing cap space to work for both.
Chargers to me are a team that needs Watson more than folks realize. He would immediately make them SB contenders and the next 12 years for Mahomes would get a whole lot tougher. No more Easy St to the SB. No, now you would have Watson blocking your path for years to come and making life a whole lot tougher in the AFCW. The Chargers are actually a really good team, they’ve just been struck with the injury curse and some less than stellar coaching decisions recently.
Then there’s the marketing value. Watson would immediately be at the very least tied with LeBron in the LA market. The Rams would be afterthoughts and Chargers jerseys and memorabilia would skyrocket overnight in sales. Billboards with Watsons face would be everywhere.
That’s gotta be a real enticement to the chargers as they would overtake and drown out the Rams in their own house for a decade in season tickets and sales.
 
I hadn't considered the chargers. Interesting. Do they have the resources to pull it off?
 
powda said:
I hadn't considered the chargers. Interesting. Do they have the resources to pull it off?
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They are 7th most in FA money and have nothing in dead cap. They have vets such as Hayward, Harris Jr, Allen, Bulaga and Linval Joseph they would trade back to HOU in some capacity that could be helpful for a year or two and then dumped in the rebuild. Obviously those would be secondary as Herbert would be the building block HOU would covet in this trade.
 
Jack Burton said:

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They are 7th most in FA money and have nothing in dead cap. They have vets such as Hayward, Harris Jr, Allen, Bulaga and Linval Joseph they would trade back to HOU in some capacity that could be helpful for a year or two and then dumped in the rebuild. Obviously those would be secondary as Herbert would be the building block HOU would covet in this trade.
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Herbert is now a lion.


Let's talk about bosa...
 
powda said:
Wait, they just got Stafford right?

Not in the conversation.
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Your....talking about the Rams. They got Stafford and Goff went to the Lions. And they would be afterthoughts in LA if Watson went to the Chargers. Admittedly, Rams have a good defense. But Watson would take over LA.
 
Jack Burton said:
Your....talking about the Rams. They got Stafford and Goff went to the Lions. And they would be afterthoughts in LA if Watson went to the Chargers. Admittedly, Rams have a good defense. But Watson would take over LA.
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You right!


Damn dementia.
 
Also, the reason I’m suggesting this is I do think Caserio will trade Watson. But I think he’s of the opinion from his pedigree in NE like any shrewd GM that if your going to trade a top 5 QB you have to get at least a top 5 QB in return and at this point in time he’s only looking at trades that does that for him.
Herbert, I believe qualifies as a QB he would trade Watson for. HOU could rebuild correctly with Herbert as the centerpiece. I think that’s what Caserio is trying to do 1st and foremost and that this is his priority. If these scenarios do not work out he would then go to a trade with a team that nets him an “elite, franchise QB” in the draft, but that scenario is an unkown. The drafted QB could be a bust or just an average player.
So I think Caserio’s focus is getting an equal return on his investment with Watson and settle for nothing less.
 
powda said:
Two components here as I see it and bare with me as I'm just talking out loud...

1. What's his trade value? Is it equal to or more then we paid? If a team is willing to do that they have my ear.

2. Who's he protecting? If it's dw or some new rookie stud like Wilson then keep him. If we end up with some place holder for a season or 2 like minshew or sage rosencopter he probably needs to go elsewhere.

Embrace the suck. 1615610299203.png 21 is a dead year.
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FIFY
 
Jack Burton said:
I agree.
I just got a weird sense that there’s a dark horse team like the chargers that are going to be the team that trades for Watson, but it won’t just be for Watson it will be multiple players including Tunsil and multiple players including Herbert go the other way, allowing cap space to work for both.
Chargers to me are a team that needs Watson more than folks realize. He would immediately make them SB contenders and the next 12 years for Mahomes would get a whole lot tougher. No more Easy St to the SB. No, now you would have Watson blocking your path for years to come and making life a whole lot tougher in the AFCW. The Chargers are actually a really good team, they’ve just been struck with the injury curse and some less than stellar coaching decisions recently.
Then there’s the marketing value. Watson would immediately be at the very least tied with LeBron in the LA market. The Rams would be afterthoughts and Chargers jerseys and memorabilia would skyrocket overnight in sales. Billboards with Watsons face would be everywhere.
That’s gotta be a real enticement to the chargers as they would overtake and drown out the Rams in their own house for a decade in season tickets and sales.
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Chargers need an entire offensive line. That is why I have suggested Tunsil for their 1.13 + a third-round pick.

Then give me Herbert , Joey Bosa and Jerry Tillery and the Chargers 2022 round one for Watson and we've got a good package going both ways.

We have in Herbert a QB that's better than any of the top three of 21 draft. Bosa and Tillery immediately update our defense..

1.13 brings you a left tackle to replace Tunsil or if you think you can get a starter in Jackson Carman who protected Trevor Lawrence you can trade pick 13 down for a later first and a second round. That first gets you a WR with LT in round two or switch and get Christian darrisaw with that first round and a wide receiver with that round two.

There are deals to be made.
 
badboy said:
Chargers need an entire offensive line. That is why I have suggested Tunsil for their 1.13 + a third-round pick.

Then give me Herbert , Joey Bosa and Jerry Tillery and the Chargers 2022 round one for Watson and we've got a good package going both ways.

We have in Herbert a QB that's better than any of the top three of 21 draft. Bosa and Tillery immediately update our defense..

1.13 brings you a left tackle to replace Tunsil or if you think you can get a starter in Jackson Carman who protected Trevor Lawrence you can trade pick 13 down for a later first and a second round. That first gets you a WR with LT in round two or switch and get Christian darrisaw with that first round and a wide receiver with that round two.

There are deals to be made.
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Chargers won’t be giving up all of that. Lol
 
badboy said:
Chargers need an entire offensive line. That is why I have suggested Tunsil for their 1.13 + a third-round pick.

Then give me Herbert , Joey Bosa and Jerry Tillery and the Chargers 2022 round one for Watson and we've got a good package going both ways.

We have in Herbert a QB that's better than any of the top three of 21 draft. Bosa and Tillery immediately update our defense..

1.13 brings you a left tackle to replace Tunsil or if you think you can get a starter in Jackson Carman who protected Trevor Lawrence you can trade pick 13 down for a later first and a second round. That first gets you a WR with LT in round two or switch and get Christian darrisaw with that first round and a wide receiver with that round two.

There are deals to be made.
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Why wouldn't Telasco just keep Herbert on his rookie deal and pick Darrisaw/Cosmic at 13?
 
badboy said:
Chargers need an entire offensive line. That is why I have suggested Tunsil for their 1.13 + a third-round pick.

Then give me Herbert , Joey Bosa and Jerry Tillery and the Chargers 2022 round one for Watson and we've got a good package going both ways.

We have in Herbert a QB that's better than any of the top three of 21 draft. Bosa and Tillery immediately update our defense..

1.13 brings you a left tackle to replace Tunsil or if you think you can get a starter in Jackson Carman who protected Trevor Lawrence you can trade pick 13 down for a later first and a second round. That first gets you a WR with LT in round two or switch and get Christian darrisaw with that first round and a wide receiver with that round two.

There are deals to be made.
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I don’t think your getting Bosa too. I could see players who have high salary cap coupled with Herbert, but not Bosa.
That way the cap is kept in line for both teams.

And yes, getting Herbert allows HOU to get an immediate return on Watson and not an unknown in the draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
Why wouldn't Telasco just keep Herbert on his rookie deal and pick Darrisaw/Cosmic at 13?
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Cause the Chargers ultimately know they aren’t winning anything in their division with the players they have with Mahomes in the division.
Add Watson and everything changes.
They are an immediate SB contender and can challenge Mahomes tomorrow for the AFC crown.

The window to win is now for them.
 
Jack Burton said:
Cause the Chargers ultimately know they aren’t winning anything in their division with the players they have with Mahomes in the division.
Add Watson and everything changes.
They are an immediate SB contender and can challenge Mahomes tomorrow for the AFC crown.

The window to win is now for them.
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Herbert has more potential than DW4 and is still on his rookie deal. No way the Chargers make this deal Herbert for DW4 straight up much less adding in Bosa.
 
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Jack Burton said:
I don’t think your getting Bosa too. I could see players who have high salary cap coupled with Herbert, but not Bosa.
That way the cap is kept in line for both teams.

And yes, getting Herbert allows HOU to get an immediate return on Watson and not an unknown in the draft.
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I do not see another trade equaling Watson's value. Some posters rave at how special DW4 is as a top 3-5 franchise, yadda yadda but say we can only get much less than that perceived value. Well which is it?

If Spanos/Telesco think Deshaun is much better than DW and Casserio thinks Herbert is immediate return then what is the hold up? Throw some icing on the cake and let's go. I want some ice cream also but what do I know?
 
Jack Burton said:
Add Watson and everything changes.
They are an immediate SB contender and can challenge Mahomes tomorrow for the AFC crown.
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If Watson was here, happy as a clam like he was last season, would we be contenders? Would we even be favored to win our division?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Not if they have to give a king’s ransom for him.
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I didn’t propose a trade with Bosa and other marquee players.
My thought was that Caserio was working on a trade with Herbert as the centerpiece coming back with some dead cap players and a draft pick. And I included Tunsil going to LAC as well making them even better.
 
Jack Burton said:
I didn’t propose a trade with Bosa and other marquee players.
My thought was that Caserio was working on a trade with Herbert as the centerpiece coming back with some dead cap players and a draft pick. And I included Tunsil going to LAC as well making them even better.
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I’m not sending my best linemen anywhere. You will need him to protect the next quarterbacks backside.
 
steelbtexan said:
So tell me would you rather have DW4/Tunsil at their cost, or Herbert/Darrisaw at their cost?
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Could the Chargers even swing Watson and Tunsil (60M+) financially come 2022? No way the Chargers trade away their 4 year affordable Franchise QB1. What the Chargers could do...trade for LT, Laremy Tunsil and hope they can get him to re-work his contract.

A 2021 RD1 and 2022 RD2 for Tunsil
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Bosa for Tunsil (This option becomes live if Watson is traded and the trade can be consummated when it's most feasible (calendar wise) for both teams to make the move.
 
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maverick512000 said:
If I’m Texans I keep letting it ride, I don’t condemn him but I don’t support him either I just let things take their course and keep my mouth shut. Allegations against Watson don’t hurt the brand near as much as him wanting traded after just signing so the damage is done. Honestly at this point all this is kind of helping them to repair the brand because people are starting to question if the Texans are the problem or if Watson was. Oh you still have some that think it’s a big conspiracy against him but those people weren’t going to buy a ticket anyway. Texans need to sit back, keep taking care of other business and let the courts and NFL do their thing.

As far as how to help him as his agent first thing I do is stay off Twitter and keep my mouth shut. Next thing I do is make sure all his checks have cleared and I’m not owed money because his financial situation might be changing. Lastly, pray, lots and lots of praying........then record me praying and send it to Easterby because that might be the only chance of playing anytime soon he has. :troll:
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Time to trade Tunsil. Get a 1st and draft a QB.
Move on.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Could the Chargers even swing Watson and Tunsil (60M+) financially come 2022? No way the Chargers trade away their 4 year affordable Franchise QB1. What the Chargers could do...trade for LT, Laremy Tunsil and hope they can get him to re-work his contract.

A 2021 RD1 and 2022 RD2 for Tunsil
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Bosa for Tunsil (This option becomes live if Watson is traded and the trade can be consummated when it's most feasible (calendar wise) for both teams to make the move.
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They can swing it but will they? My problem in trading both tunsil and Watson to Chargers is both need to be replaced. Herbert of course replaces Watson but who replaces tunsil? I think as I have posted we could get the 13th pick and at minimum a third-round pick from tunsil. Sewell should not be there at 13 but we can get a left tackle there.
 
Well, this whole idea that I thought Caserio might be working on is up in smoke now.
I still say trade Tunsil for everything you can get and truly blow it up. Then draft a QB and start over.

What is Tunsil worth and who needs a LT today?
CIN. Would they trade 5 for Tunsil straight up?
 
Jack Burton said:
HOU is rebuilding. He’s too expensive for a rebuild and a waste.
HOU has no QB. Time to go get one.
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Texansballer74 said:
No they are not. They are retooling. They have beefed up the line, brought in defenders to fit Lovies scheme.

Every time a team has a losing season doesn’t mean they will rebuild.
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Caserio is simply rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. There is still a massive hole in the hull. Getting wider by the day. Nick has replaced players 40 - 53 on the roster and has paid a lot more than vet minimum to do it. And it's highly doubtful the Texans will win 4 games this season as a result of all of the shuffling.
 
Texian said:
Caserio is simply rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. There is still a massive hole in the hull. Getting wider by the day. Nick has replaced players 40 - 53 on the roster and has paid a lot more than vet minimum to do it. And it's highly doubtful the Texans will win 4 games this season as a result of all of the shuffling.
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Exactly. And now add into this fustercluck that the QB is an idiot and probably won’t play a down this season anyways and you got yourself a rebuild.
Caserio is replacing players to rebuild the mindset of this team. They are “filler” and not many are long term.
Time to trade Tunsil and get a QB.
Anyone who thinks Watson will be back playing QB here are on some seriously good drugs.
 
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