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Watson’s a top 5 qb. Do you agree?

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Lol, hilarious. So your argument that Wilson is supposedly head and shoulders better than him b/c his replacement was drafted and b/c a HC who was already on the hot seat was fired after 8-10 years on the job?
You keep trying to deflect over to Wilson instead of addressing what I brought up about Rogers.

I can't make someone understand any of this that doesn't believe that leadership at the position means anything. You seem to just look at talent by itself and think that's all that matters. Its very simple minded.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
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Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
At this point in their careers, I would take Watson as well based mostly on his youth and future.
He still hasn't done it well or consistently in the playoffs to say that to me. I just can't get behind that. He had a 24-0 lead against a KC defense last season and totally squandered it away to getting shut out completely. He didn't do a whole lot in last year's playoff loss as well. He made some nice plays to win the game against Buffalo, but if you remember that game was very close to be squandered away too. I mean, yes he has a lot of potential but I need to see him do it a few times before having confidence like I would in Brady or Brees.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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He still hasn't done it well or consistently in the playoffs to say that to me. I just can't get behind that. He had a 24-0 lead against a KC defense last season and totally squandered it away to getting shut out completely. He didn't do a whole lot in last year's playoff loss as well. He made some nice plays to win the game against Buffalo, but if you remember that game was very close to be squandered away too. I mean, yes he has a lot of potential but I need to see him do it a few times before having confidence like I would in Brady or Brees.
Brady/Rodgers have been doing it for yrs. We can only hope DW4 turns out as good as them.

Look at Mahomes, 2 yrs, an AFCCG loss when he lead his team from behind to tie and go into overtime and didn't get the ball to have a chance at the win.

Leads team from behind in all playoff victories and beats the QB he likes best after spotting him a 24-0 lead and you would still take DW4 over Mahomes,

LMAO, we just use identified the definition of honer and homers opinions on this subject shouldn't be taken seriously.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Brady/Rodgers have been doing it for yrs. We can only hope DW4 turns out as good as them.

Look at Mahomes, 2 yrs, an AFCCG loss when he lead his team from behind to tie and go into overtime and didn't get the ball to have a chance at the win.

Leads team from behind in all playoff victories and beats the QB he likes best after spotting him a 24-0 lead and you would still take DW4 over Mahomes,

LMAO, we just use identified the definition of honer and homers opinions on this subject shouldn't be taken seriously.
And what's also mind boggling is how little attention people paid to how good Brees was last year. He played exceptional and he did the year before as well. I could see if he progressed a lot, but that just hasn't happened yet. Brady is also year removed from the SB where he had that come back drive on Mahomes and the one in OT as well at Arrowhead. There is no way I'm taking a young guy with potential over HOF legends that have shown they can still do it.
 

theCATALYST

"Fake" Fan
Brady/Rodgers have been doing it for yrs. We can only hope DW4 turns out as good as them.

Look at Mahomes, 2 yrs, an AFCCG loss when he lead his team from behind to tie and go into overtime and didn't get the ball to have a chance at the win.

Leads team from behind in all playoff victories and beats the QB he likes best after spotting him a 24-0 lead and you would still take DW4 over Mahomes,

LMAO, we just use identified the definition of honer and homers opinions on this subject shouldn't be taken seriously.
To be fair, Banned1976 did use a qualifier in his statement.

"In all honesty, I would take Watson over any quarterback if it’s a last drive type of scenario. He’s a big moment quarterback."

It's also why I agree with his statement. I only took it a step further than he did by bringing up the QB's futures, but I am a fan of this team. As a fanatic, we can expect some Homerism from me.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
You keep trying to deflect over to Wilson instead of addressing what I brought up about Rogers.

I can't make someone understand any of this that doesn't believe that leadership at the position means anything. You seem to just look at talent by itself and think that's all that matters. Its very simple minded.
I'm not trying to deflect over to anything..Russell Wilson is that dude & i was very high on him coming out of college; I felt he should've at least been a 2nd rounder. Still, if i had to pick between he and Rodgers, I'm taking Rodgers & I think most people would......at least for the next few more years anyway.

But this is the problem with any discussion you seem to undertake on here. You seem to insinuate things that were never said. Where in any of my posts did i say leadership doesn't mean anything? I'll wait while you find that.

The supposed "evidence" you brought to the table has next to nothing to do with his leadership qualities. His coach & GM were fired/moved to other positions b/c after 13 years on the job 1 failed to adapt his offense to the best QB in the game & was thought to be a not very smart HC by numerous people who were on the inside in GB. The other failed to put enough talent around to help him, yet shipped all of his best guys out..(Nelson, Cobb, Lacy). Isn't that what some here want BoB fired for? & Lol at his replacement being drafted "already". For 1, Rodgers didn't even get the starting nod until he was 25 so he got a late start.....He's 36 now...which is right about the age where most teams start to look to drafting a potential successor. In any event, Jordan Love won't even be ready for a couple of years & by that time, Rodgers could very well be ready to hang it up or move on.

There's just simply nothing there to question his chops as a leader.
 

dream_team

Hall of Fame
And what's also mind boggling is how little attention people paid to how good Brees was last year. He played exceptional and he did the year before as well. I could see if he progressed a lot, but that just hasn't happened yet. Brady is also year removed from the SB where he had that come back drive on Mahomes and the one in OT as well at Arrowhead. There is no way I'm taking a young guy with potential over HOF legends that have shown they can still do it.
Reiterating what I mentioned in an earlier post... people have different criteria when playing this "pick a QB game".

Brees & Brady, while still good, are clearly passed their prime and will walk away from the game any year now.

If you're starting a new team, and got to pick any QB in the league... would you really rather go with Brees or Brady, knowing you may only get one or two seasons out of them? Or take a young guy like Watson, and if he fulfills his potential, you'll have for 10+ seasons?
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
People need to stop using the 24 point thingy like Watson plays defense too. I’m sorry but he wasn’t going to prevent KC from scoring. Oh he could’ve put some long drives together. Man stop it, Bill O’Brien was still trying to run his non productive running backs up the middle. When KC got down 24, they went pass happy and wasn’t trying to run the ball up the middle.
 

thunderkyss

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I like Rivers , he's been pretty good for a long time… but I struggle to justify putting him in the conversation with the others on your list.
I understand. But my list is more of my favorites, not necessarily "top 5" I can't make excuses for Rivers. When he had LT to hand the ball to & Merriman leading that defense, no reason he shouldn't have got that team in a Super Bowl.
 

austins23

Hall of Fame
If Jackson can stay healthy

1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers- Although I dont think Rodgers is going to have a great yr this yr.
3. Jackson
4. Brady
5. Brees
I like this list. Mahomes has a great HC/OC and is loaded with skill position bad asses. It would be hard for a QB to fail in that system.
Rodgers has been givin the finger to his head coaches the past couple of years in that he has pretty much a barren cupboard of skill position players. Davante and not much else.
Jackson is a one trick pony IMO. To quote your qualifier about Rodgers, "I don't think Jackson is going to have a great year this year."
Brady has got weapons to spare this year compared to last couple of years.
Brees is just consistent as all get out and he too has a great HC/OC.

After those 5 I'd put the next 5, not in any particular order
Watson
Wilson
Rivers (like TK, he's a personal favorite)
Ryan
Wentz
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
Well since we’re talking about the possible production of these quarterbacks with the talent around them and not what they done last season, here’s my list.

1. Patrick Mahomas: SB champion is loaded with talent all around him. He has one of the best OC’s in the game.

2. Tom Brady: Tampa is loaded at receiver, adding Gronk to the mix helps the cause a great deal. There RB core is decent.

3. Drew Brees: the future HOF missed 5 games last season. He has one of the best receiver in the game. Adding Sanders was a big time move. Their TE core is pretty decent as well. The running game at too shabby either.

4. Carson Wentz: they will be getting their starting core back. Healthy this unit is lethal. Last season their back ups stepped in and took care of business.

5. Russell Wilson: This core package is pretty darn legit. Adding a workhorse like hyde should help their running game.

6. Deshaun Watson: If Lady Luck is on our side of health, this unit will be scary. The offensive line with a year of experience should protect Watson a lot better.
 
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OptimisticTexan

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I like this list. Mahomes has a great HC/OC and is loaded with skill position bad asses. It would be hard for a QB to fail in that system.
Rodgers has been givin the finger to his head coaches the past couple of years in that he has pretty much a barren cupboard of skill position players. Davante and not much else.
Jackson is a one trick pony IMO. To quote your qualifier about Rodgers, "I don't think Jackson is going to have a great year this year."
Brady has got weapons to spare this year compared to last couple of years.
Brees is just consistent as all get out and he too has a great HC/OC.

After those 5 I'd put the next 5, not in any particular order
Watson
Wilson
Rivers (like TK, he's a personal favorite)
Ryan
Wentz
I'd have a top 3 of:
Mahomes
Brady
Brees

My next 7 would consist of:
Rodgers
Wilson
Watson
Jackson
Ryan
Wentz
Rivers

The weapons Wilson, Watson and Jackson have this season have the potential to elevate them into that trio. Wilson and Jackson may have the better route since based on last season, both of those guys are in offensive systems that work with their skill-set. Watson is getting a new OC in Kelly but we (the fans) have no idea as to how much say OB is going to want in this offense.....if he butts out, Watson may have a chance for a really big season.
 


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