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No betting his agent & attorney didDw didn't leak this.
The bar for sexual assault & assault is low, grabbing a boob or shoving a guy. No am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TVHow can I admit something I have no clue about? It’s a guess at best what I believe. You see I can admit that everything I’m saying in here is a guess based on my POV and the actual facts. But here you are Again....declaring something as a fact and you have NO IDEA.
Aside from that tho......even if he has a fetish, IT STILL DOESNT PROVE HE COMMITTED SEXUAL ASSAULT IN ANY OF THESE CIVIL SUITS.
1 doesn’t necessarily mean the other. What is so hard for you to understand about that buddy?
Can he be traded to Texas Department of CorrectionsJust to be clear , this is apparently a civil suit , not a criminal one brought by the state.
This shouldn't affect the ability to trade him.
That said , from what I've heard , Caserio has no intentions of accommodating Watson's trade demand. Watson will play for the Texans or he won't play at all.
The signing of Taylor to an incentive laden contract was their backup plan should Watson hold out into the regular season (and consequently miss the entire year).
I had nothing to do with thee NSZ being shutdown. That was on a member who no longer posts here and you know it.
Fact is your guy is a pervert whether you want to admit it or not. That's very relative or atleast it should be one of the most relative things in this thread. What is there to be a hard liner about. Now the next most relative thing is going to happen soon, whether you want to admit it or not, how much are these women going to get paid for having to deal with your perverts sexual deviancies.
Tell me why IYO are the questions I asked irrelevant? Guys like DeJohn/Maverick are having intelligent conversations about this topic, you just dont like it that your guy is getting hammered and in fact DeJohn is much more aware of what's going on in this case than you will ever be.
Posts like yours are the reasons DW4 should just be cut and done with so everything can get back to normal around this town. Cal should just cut his losses from the decision he made to give DW4 the $$$$ and move on. Personally I'm ready to get back to talking football. But whether you consider it intelligent or not I draw the line at what DW4's already admitted to doing.
BTW, what do you consider an intelligent conversation on this subject, are we supposed to do the innocent until proven guilty thing because the one thing that's very true is DW4's very guilty of being a dumbazz. Would you like to discuss the particulars about the legalities of flying women in from out of state for sexual favors? Like you said this cant be proven so I must be making facts up. LMAO how you can defend a POS like this simply amazes me. I know you're a smart guy but your ability to make judgement calls is only slightly above DW4's ability to make judgement calls on massage therapists.
The bar for sexual assault & assault is low, grabbing a boob or shoving a guy. No am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV
Actually, in a civil case you just have to prove damages occurred. In a criminal case, you can still prove it without lack of physical evidence. Might wanna read the laws bud.this has been said so many times on here...everyone knows this. But you still have to PROVE IT. And just based on what Buzzbee has revealed this far, there’s been nothing shown that proves anything untoward happened.
Maybe that changes at trial...maybe Buzzbee can produce a smoking gun..right now though? There’s nothing.
You’re a
Your baying-at-the-moon lunacy prevents you from understanding that this isn’t about “my guy” but rather about the presumption of innocence until proven guilty....you know that little caveat that our justice system is supposed to be based on...that we as Americans who serve on jury’s are supposed to keep in mind when we weigh THE ACTUAL FACTS of a case instead of breaking out our jump to conclusions mats and inserting our own opinions as alternative facts like you just LOVE to do.
How dare i Undertake those tenets of the American justice system b/c he’s “my guy”.....what was I thinking?.......the funny thing is you’re the same guy talking about the Texans won’t go anywhere b/c “they only want choirs boys”...and “it’s the Texans way...”. You, like your favorite lawyer..& your favorite idiotic politician like to talk out of both sides of your mouth when it’s convenient for you and your opinion/stance.
I agree in that Maverick is having intelligent dialogue about this b/c he’s bringing FACTS to it and he’s not inserting his own opinion as a fact. You on the other hand only think this Djohn2008 dude is having intelligent conversations in your eyes because he agree with your stance.
Didn't you mean WITH lack of physical evidence?Actually, in a civil case you just have to prove damages occurred. In a criminal case, you can still prove it without lack of physical evidence. Might wanna read the laws bud.
How can I admit something I have no clue about? It’s a guess at best what I believe. You see I can admit that everything I’m saying in here is a guess based on my POV and the actual facts. But here you are Again....declaring something as a fact and you have NO IDEA.
Aside from that tho......even if he has a fetish, IT STILL DOESNT PROVE HE COMMITTED SEXUAL ASSAULT IN ANY OF THESE CIVIL SUITS.
1 doesn’t necessarily mean the other. What is so hard for you to understand about that buddy?
Yep. Damn typoDidn't you mean WITH lack of physical evidence?
I would think that if choosing women masseuses was based on sexual attraction, DW4 would not have chosen Ashley Solis in the first place. He for sure would not have made sexual advances toward her when she showed up to do her job. Maybe some of you find her attractive but I know that I don't. Not trying to be mean but that is just my honest opinion. Than again we all have our own opinions in regards to who is attractive to us. Maybe Ashley and women with similar appearances do it for DW4. Still some people are seen as attractive to society in general. Ashley does not seem to fit that description.Remember......Watson was selecting these women based on their Instagram advertisement. Licensed or unlicensed, the women that advertised on Instagram evidently had a penchant for advertising their masseuse skills in as little amount of clothing as possible. Anyone wanna to take a guess as to why they chose this method to advertise their specific skill set? Are you alluding to the fact that Watson was the victim of a bait-n-switch where the photo wasn’t a clear representation of the masseuse that showed up for the job?
Evidence in a possible criminal case regarding sexual assault is never shown to the public before charges are brought.Watson could be humping every female that gave him a massage and still not be a sexual predator. If it’s consensual then he did nothing wrong. You may not like his sexual behavior but it’s not illegal to have consensual sex with an adult. How he connected with them is irrelevant. Instagram Facebook tinder Applebee’s. Doesn’t matter.
So far there is zero evidence showing he forced them. I would think if there was evidence buzzbee would have announced it by now or watson would have paid up to keep it quiet and prevent criminal charges. Remember without complaining victims they won’t be able to make the charges stick.
Can he be traded to Texas Department of Corrections
Right from the start if DW4 felt there was sufficient evidence that he had commited crimes he most likely would have settled right away. DW4 does not feel he has commited any crimes or that they have evidence to prove he did and therefore is willing to let it get to court. Buzbee was willing early on to let it come to a financial settlement. Obviously both sides feel they are holding all the cards. We shall see how it all plays out.And again. Buzbee wouldn’t show everything to the public right away anyway as that will be found through discovery.
To your point. I don't know if going on IG or other social media sites and finding masseuses is the millennial equivalent of guys Robert Kraft's age visiting strip malls for happy endings. As long as Watson did not force himself on these women, is he more of sexual predator than guys going to massage parlors or strip clubs? I guess that question can be answered based on each poster's individual beliefs.Watson could be humping every female that gave him a massage and still not be a sexual predator. If it’s consensual then he did nothing wrong. You may not like his sexual behavior but it’s not illegal to have consensual sex with an adult. How he connected with them is irrelevant. Instagram Facebook tinder Applebee’s. Doesn’t matter.
So far there is zero evidence showing he forced them. I would think if there was evidence buzzbee would have announced it by now or watson would have paid up to keep it quiet and prevent criminal charges. Remember without complaining victims they won’t be able to make the charges stick.
You are forgetting one thing. This guy has bad people in his ear, especially signing a 100 million dollar guaranteed contract then 6 months wanting a trade, yet letting the Jack Easterby take all the heat. Watson is arrogant. Arrogant people don’t feel like they need to settle.Right from the start if DW4 felt there was sufficient evidence that he had commited crimes he most likely would have settled right away. DW4 does not feel he has commited any crimes or that they have evidence to prove he did and therefore is willing to let it get to court. Buzbee was willing early on to let it come to a financial settlement. Obviously both sides feel they are holding all the cards. We shall see how it all plays out.
Actually, in a civil case you just have to prove damages occurred. In a criminal case, you can still prove it without lack of physical evidence. Might wanna read the laws bud.
The Mean Machine all star.How many first round picks do they have next year?
All of these ladies were not masseuses...that’s also something that needs to stop being proliferated around here. They masqueraded as 1. Why? For any number of reasons...including the for the reasons certain posters don’t want to acknowledge...
key word...PROVE...might wanna read a little closer there “bud”.
Right from the start if DW4 felt there was sufficient evidence that he had commited crimes he most likely would have settled right away. DW4 does not feel he has commited any crimes or that they have evidence to prove he did and therefore is willing to let it get to court. Buzbee was willing early on to let it come to a financial settlement. Obviously both sides feel they are holding all the cards. We shall see how it all plays out.
This will come in time if DW4 doesn't settle. DW4's got alot more than a civil trial to worry about if those women (I've lost count) 4-7 only care about DW4 being tried criminally.
You've bought the wrong horse.
To your point. I don't know if going on IG or other social media sites and finding masseuses is the millennial equivalent of guys Robert Kraft's age visiting strip malls for happy endings. As long as Watson did not force himself on these women, is he more of sexual predator than guys going to massage parlors or strip clubs? I guess that question can be answered based on each poster's individual beliefs.
What HPD, the DA or a jury might have to determine. If he went in there and during the massage session he was non-verbally letting the women know he would be a willing participant in a happy ending. How aggressive was he in trying to get their attention that he would be open to the happy ending? Is that harassment, public indecency or sexual assault? If they were offended by his actions, did they have other sessions with him? Did they exchange text messages after those sessions? There are so many questions that needs to be answered that leads to speculation but not facts.
The 1st part of
Don't get me wrong. I question Watson's character, maturity, judgment and I think it's totally ridiculous that he put these women, his career, the Texans and NFL in this position. However, because some posters are not using this as an excuse to pile on, call Watson a POS, trash, pervert, deviant and predator in every post does not mean they are insensitive to the charges or they are WOF. That is agenda driven BS.
All of these ladies were not masseuses...that’s also something that needs to stop being proliferated around here. They masqueraded as 1. Why? For any number of reasons...including the for the reasons certain posters don’t want to acknowledge...
Lol, those 4-7 were/are part of the civil suits first I believe...could be wrong about that...so “only” care about him being tried criminally.....is once again a stretch you’ve come away with to satisfy your DW4 hate fetish lol.
And you hope that evidence arrives....and as has been said for the umpteenth time to you...until that evidence arrives, there’s no reason to automatically jump to where you’ve already set up your camper for “entertainment”...
It could be arrogance or it could be he knows there is no clear cut evidence that will stand up in a trial. Time will tell.You are forgetting one thing. This guy has bad people in his ear, especially signing a 100 million dollar guaranteed contract then 6 months wanting a trade, yet letting the Jack Easterby take all the heat. Watson is arrogant. Arrogant people don’t feel like they need to settle.
It's been reported in this thread that atleast 4 women have had statements recorded by HPD. There's a current investigation going on.
Yes, I've already been entertained and IF this goes to trial it's only going to get better. Sadly if this goes to trial the Texans won't be getting anything in trade for DW4, but The Mean Machine will.
To be fair, based on multiple references, legitimate massage therapists/professionals do not consider themselves masseuses. They believe that term has been hijacked and sexualized by people masquerading as massage therapists. So, calling them masseuses is a polite way of making your point.
Massage Titles Matter: Why We Don’t Use Masseuse (massagemag.com)
Here's Why You Should Never Use the Word Masseuse | Zeel
the point of my post wasn’t to dispute whether there were 4-7 complaints filed with HPD...it was to dispute YOUR point that those who filed “only” care about getting after him criminally...which if they filed civil 1st and only filed a complaint after it was apparent DW4 wasn’t trying to give them **** and they were/are willing to settle, they obviously care about money too..
I just wonder if the DA’s office is to be trusted
Lets nip that in the bud right now. She did NOT try and blackmail him, she had her lawyer send a letter of notice for a pending legal action and a proposed settlement to his lawyers. This is a completely legal and VERY common practice in order to allow both parties to avoid a possible legal battle. You may think its the same as blackmail, and on the surface it looks that way, but if it is then 95% of civil case in the USA that involves lawyers is blackmail. If you've ever gotten into a wreck and hired a lawyer to deal with the insurance company guess what by your definition you have tried to blackmail the insurance company because that is the first thing your lawyer did was send a letter.
I’m not a licensed massage therapist/professional. I think you might be referring to @otisbean. But I get your point.Im speaking totally from a qualifications standpoint. I read up thread that you are a licensed massage therapist/professional. If you came across any of these ladies with no formal training or certification s whatsoever, would you be offended as a professional if they viewed themselves as on the same level as you in the business by calling themselves masseuses/massage therapists or “professionals”?
Watson posting videos of workouts, no way he does that without permission from Rusty. Settlement incoming?
I hope it’s to show he is ready for a trade because we are ready to trade him away.
Posting a video and inferring from it a settlement is imminent is a blind jump in logic.Watson posting videos of workouts, no way he does that without permission from Rusty. Settlement incoming?
Just FYI, the NFL lead investigator is a woman, Lisa Friel, and is the one who spoke to the four women.So how do we know that the NFL investigator didn't say something like "Ok miss, is it possible that Mr. Watson was only acting in the manner he thought you would find acceptable given that your were advertising on Instagram?" or "Ok describe in detail exactly what Mr. Watson said and did that would make you feel assaulted and how his actions were any different than your other clients." I'm not saying they did that, nor do I really think they did, but if we are going to beat the "Don't have all the facts" drum then we also don't know what kind of questions were asked and in what manner.
key word...PROVE...might wanna read a little closer there “bud”.
Posting a video and inferring from it a settlement is imminent is a blind jump in logic.
I took the NFL’s comments to mean this: as a prosecutor of these types of crimes she knows what bar they must pass to stand up against the accused’s attorney. If they passed the smell test the NFL has more to work with when trying to decide DW’s fate. She grilled them for this purpose only, not to belittle them.Just FYI, the NFL lead investigator is a woman, Lisa Friel, and is the one who spoke to the four women.
Also, Lisa Friel is a former bureau chief of the Sex Crimes Prosecution Units in the New York DA's office with a reputation for prosecuting sex offenders. With her background, I don't see her being insensitive or disrespectful to the four women.Just FYI, the NFL lead investigator is a woman, Lisa Friel, and is the one who spoke to the four women.
I took it to mean questioning may have been different from HPD’s. Nothing moreAlso, Lisa Friel is a former bureau chief of the Sex Crimes Prosecution Units in the New York DA's office with a reputation for prosecuting sex offenders. With her background, I don't see her being insensitive or disrespectful to the four women.
Prosecutors and defense attorneys approach the same situation with opposite goals. If you have followed the careers of many attorneys it is common for them to begin on one side of the fence and end up on the other. Their interests and goals are set by the firms, prosecution or defense, they work for. No matter what Friel's previous New York position was, she is now employed by the NFL office...........and it would be entirely naive to believe that she does not carry their water in the direction they dictate. The League would like nothing better than to make this whole thing go away............as quickly as possible...........all, of course under the guise of pursuing justice.Also, Lisa Friel is a former bureau chief of the Sex Crimes Prosecution Units in the New York DA's office with a reputation for prosecuting sex offenders. With her background, I don't see her being insensitive or disrespectful to the four women.
All of that may be true. Was it disrespectful because she pressed them for details? My point is that a former prosecutor who spent over 10 years defending and seeking justice for victims of sexual violence would know how to navigate an interview with alleged victims without behaving like a bull in a china shop or disrespectful jerk. Hell, she probably have more experience with these cases and interacting with victims than Hardin and Buzbee combined.Prosecutors and defense attorneys approach the same situation with opposite goals. If you have followed the careers of many attorneys it is common for them to begin on one side of the fence and end up on the other. Their interests and goals are set by the firms, prosecution or defense, they work for. No matter what Friel's previous New York position was, she is now employed by the NFL office...........and it would be entirely naive to believe that she does not carry their water in the direction they dictate. The League would like nothing better than to make this whole thing go away............as quickly as possible...........all, of course under the guise of pursuing justice.
Don’t you think it would be far more damaging to the NFL if they didn’t take it seriously this time and this very visual episode would just be more of the same? This is the woke generation they are trying to please.Prosecutors and defense attorneys approach the same situation with opposite goals. If you have followed the careers of many attorneys it is common for them to begin on one side of the fence and end up on the other. Their interests and goals are set by the firms, prosecution or defense, they work for. No matter what Friel's previous New York position was, she is now employed by the NFL office...........and it would be entirely naive to believe that she does not carry their water in the direction they dictate. The League would like nothing better than to make this whole thing go away............as quickly as possible...........all, of course under the guise of pursuing justice.
Prosecutors and defense attorneys approach the same situation with opposite goals. If you have followed the careers of many attorneys it is common for them to begin on one side of the fence and end up on the other. Their interests and goals are set by the firms, prosecution or defense, they work for. No matter what Friel's previous New York position was, she is now employed by the NFL office...........and it would be entirely naive to believe that she does not carry their water in the direction they dictate. The League would like nothing better than to make this whole thing go away............as quickly as possible...........all, of course under the guise of pursuing justice.