cowtownjohn58
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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
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cowtownjohn58
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The bar for sexual assault & assault is low, grabbing a boob or shoving a guy. No am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV
cowtownjohn58
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Can he be traded to Texas Department of Corrections
Mr teX
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You’re a
Your baying-at-the-moon lunacy prevents you from understanding that this isn’t about “my guy” but rather about the presumption of innocence until proven guilty....you know that little caveat that our justice system is supposed to be based on...that we as Americans who serve on jury’s are supposed to keep in mind when we weigh THE ACTUAL FACTS of a case instead of breaking out our jump to conclusions mats and inserting our own opinions as alternative facts like you just LOVE to do.
How dare i Undertake those tenets of the American justice system b/c he’s “my guy”.....what was I thinking?..
.....the funny thing is you’re the same guy talking about the Texans won’t go anywhere b/c “they only want choirs boys”...and “it’s the Texans way...”. You, like your favorite lawyer..& your favorite idiotic politician like to talk out of both sides of your mouth when it’s convenient for you and your opinion/stance.
I agree in that Maverick is having intelligent dialogue about this b/c he’s bringing FACTS to it and he’s not inserting his own opinion as a fact. You on the other hand only think this Djohn2008 dude is having intelligent conversations in your eyes because he agree with your stance.
Your baying-at-the-moon lunacy prevents you from understanding that this isn’t about “my guy” but rather about the presumption of innocence until proven guilty....you know that little caveat that our justice system is supposed to be based on...that we as Americans who serve on jury’s are supposed to keep in mind when we weigh THE ACTUAL FACTS of a case instead of breaking out our jump to conclusions mats and inserting our own opinions as alternative facts like you just LOVE to do.
How dare i Undertake those tenets of the American justice system b/c he’s “my guy”.....what was I thinking?..
.....the funny thing is you’re the same guy talking about the Texans won’t go anywhere b/c “they only want choirs boys”...and “it’s the Texans way...”. You, like your favorite lawyer..& your favorite idiotic politician like to talk out of both sides of your mouth when it’s convenient for you and your opinion/stance.I agree in that Maverick is having intelligent dialogue about this b/c he’s bringing FACTS to it and he’s not inserting his own opinion as a fact. You on the other hand only think this Djohn2008 dude is having intelligent conversations in your eyes because he agree with your stance.
Mr teX
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this has been said so many times on here...everyone knows this. But you still have to PROVE IT. And just based on what Buzzbee has revealed this far, there’s been nothing shown that proves anything untoward happened.
Maybe that changes at trial...maybe Buzzbee can produce a smoking gun..right now though? There’s nothing.
Dejaview
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What does seem to be a fact is that DW has had contact at various levels with an abnormally large number of masseuses over a relatively short time period. So what does the NFL, if anything, do about that. It’s not family friendly. Who would trade high draft picks for him and bring him into their stadium? how deep is the public perception running on this issue? And I would like to know the extent of his actions steering his trade demands. Would the NFL allow a trade to be made if they learned the demand was made to escape a tightening noose of deviant behavior? These seem to be the issues the NFL must face irregardless of the other issues.
Actually, in a civil case you just have to prove damages occurred. In a criminal case, you can still prove it without lack of physical evidence. Might wanna read the laws bud.
You’re a
Your baying-at-the-moon lunacy prevents you from understanding that this isn’t about “my guy” but rather about the presumption of innocence until proven guilty....you know that little caveat that our justice system is supposed to be based on...that we as Americans who serve on jury’s are supposed to keep in mind when we weigh THE ACTUAL FACTS of a case instead of breaking out our jump to conclusions mats and inserting our own opinions as alternative facts like you just LOVE to do.
How dare i Undertake those tenets of the American justice system b/c he’s “my guy”.....what was I thinking?..
I agree in that Maverick is having intelligent dialogue about this b/c he’s bringing FACTS to it and he’s not inserting his own opinion as a fact. You on the other hand only think this Djohn2008 dude is having intelligent conversations in your eyes because he agree with your stance.
What Moon lunacy are you talking about?
Are you saying your guy isn't a pervert?
This doesn't need to be proven in a court of law? It's already been proven #OILYWATSON Is he a sexual predator? That's what will be proven or not proven in court. BTW, it will never go to court for obvious reasons.
You dont think DW4's a POS, I do. I dont like people who use their positions of influence in the wrong ways. You Do.
End of story, lets move on.
CloakNNNdagger
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Didn't you mean WITH lack of physical evidence?
I would say the Oily Watson and using over 100 massage therapists in a yr is pretty damning evidence, unless you're willing to bury your head in the sand. This kind of stuff makes me not willing to give him the benefit of on the other stuff. You're willing to look past his patterns of behavior and give him the benefit of the doubt. But what we think doesn't matter, the courts will decide this and even if he settles God'ell is going to lay down the hammer so atleast there will be some for of justice for these women against this pervert.
Yep. Damn typo
TxnsJuggernaut1
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I would think that if choosing women masseuses was based on sexual attraction, DW4 would not have chosen Ashley Solis in the first place. He for sure would not have made sexual advances toward her when she showed up to do her job. Maybe some of you find her attractive but I know that I don't. Not trying to be mean but that is just my honest opinion. Than again we all have our own opinions in regards to who is attractive to us. Maybe Ashley and women with similar appearances do it for DW4. Still some people are seen as attractive to society in general. Ashley does not seem to fit that description.
I will acknowledge that with sexual predators, a lot of times the thrill they get is not necessarily based on the attraction to the victim but the power they have over the victim. That is why you will see sexual crimes a lot of times taking place against geriatric women who are long past being attractive and can put up little resistance. Regardless of what constitutes power, sex crimes often revolve around it.
What I feel in regards to DW4 is that there is no set in stone evidence in regards to his guilt. Some of these women accusing DW4 of sexual assault may simply have latched onto the case when they realized that a civil case was taking place against a very wealthy athlete that they had worked for. They could simply be taking advantage of the situation. To me it is more a matter of degree of guilt as opposed to his outright innocence. No matter what comes out in the wash, DW4 is guilty of being stupid none the less.
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amazing80
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Watson could be humping every female that gave him a massage and still not be a sexual predator. If it’s consensual then he did nothing wrong. You may not like his sexual behavior but it’s not illegal to have consensual sex with an adult. How he connected with them is irrelevant. Instagram Facebook tinder Applebee’s. Doesn’t matter.
So far there is zero evidence showing he forced them. I would think if there was evidence buzzbee would have announced it by now or watson would have paid up to keep it quiet and prevent criminal charges. Remember without complaining victims they won’t be able to make the charges stick.
So far there is zero evidence showing he forced them. I would think if there was evidence buzzbee would have announced it by now or watson would have paid up to keep it quiet and prevent criminal charges. Remember without complaining victims they won’t be able to make the charges stick.
Evidence in a possible criminal case regarding sexual assault is never shown to the public before charges are brought.
How many first round picks do they have next year?
TxnsJuggernaut1
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Right from the start if DW4 felt there was sufficient evidence that he had commited crimes he most likely would have settled right away. DW4 does not feel he has commited any crimes or that they have evidence to prove he did and therefore is willing to let it get to court. Buzbee was willing early on to let it come to a financial settlement. Obviously both sides feel they are holding all the cards. We shall see how it all plays out.
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To your point. I don't know if going on IG or other social media sites and finding masseuses is the millennial equivalent of guys Robert Kraft's age visiting strip malls for happy endings. As long as Watson did not force himself on these women, is he more of sexual predator than guys going to massage parlors or strip clubs? I guess that question can be answered based on each poster's individual beliefs.
What HPD, the DA or a jury might have to determine. If he went in there and during the massage session he was non-verbally letting the women know he would be a willing participant in a happy ending. How aggressive was he in trying to get their attention that he would be open to the happy ending? Is that harassment, public indecency or sexual assault? If they were offended by his actions, did they have other sessions with him? Did they exchange text messages after those sessions? There are so many questions that needs to be answered that leads to speculation but not facts.
Don't get me wrong. I question Watson's character, maturity, judgment and I think it's totally ridiculous that he put these women, his career, the Texans and NFL in this position. However, because some posters are not using this as an excuse to pile on, call Watson a POS, trash, pervert, deviant and predator in every post does not mean they are insensitive to the charges or they are WOF. That is agenda driven BS.
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You are forgetting one thing. This guy has bad people in his ear, especially signing a 100 million dollar guaranteed contract then 6 months wanting a trade, yet letting the Jack Easterby take all the heat. Watson is arrogant. Arrogant people don’t feel like they need to settle.
Mr teX
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key word...PROVE...might wanna read a little closer there “bud”.
The Mean Machine all star.
Movies are made about crap like this. The Rae Carruth Story.
This will come in time if DW4 doesn't settle. DW4's got alot more than a civil trial to worry about if those women (I've lost count) 4-7 only care about DW4 being tried criminally.
You've bought the wrong horse.
Mr teX
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Lol, those 4-7 were/are part of the civil suits first I believe...could be wrong about that...so “only” care about him being tried criminally.....is once again a stretch you’ve come away with to satisfy your DW4 hate fetish lol.
And you hope that evidence arrives....and as has been said for the umpteenth time to you...until that evidence arrives, there’s no reason to automatically jump to where you’ve already set up your camper for “entertainment”...
BTW, I agree with this post
The 1st part of the last paragraph is what's relevant. As far as piling on goes Buzbee is doing that. Glad that you're not one of those that's letting an obvious pervert (Sir would you like 1 finger or 2 up your bunghole) cloud your judgement.
To be fair, based on multiple references, legitimate massage therapists/professionals do not consider themselves masseuses. They believe that term has been hijacked and sexualized by people masquerading as massage therapists. So, calling them masseuses is a polite way of making your point.
Massage Titles Matter: Why We Don’t Use Masseuse (massagemag.com)
Here's Why You Should Never Use the Word Masseuse | Zeel
It's been reported in this thread that atleast 4 women have had statements recorded by HPD. There's a current investigation going on.
Yes, I've already been entertained and IF this goes to trial it's only going to get better. Sadly if this goes to trial the Texans won't be getting anything in trade for DW4, but The Mean Machine will.
TxnsJuggernaut1
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It could be arrogance or it could be he knows there is no clear cut evidence that will stand up in a trial. Time will tell.
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Mr teX
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the point of my post wasn’t to dispute whether there were 4-7 complaints filed with HPD...it was to dispute YOUR point that those who filed “only” care about getting after him criminally...which if they filed civil 1st and only filed a complaint after it was apparent DW4 wasn’t trying to give them **** and they were/are willing to settle, they obviously care about money too..
Mr teX
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Im speaking totally from a qualifications standpoint. I read up thread that you are a licensed massage therapist/professional. If you came across any of these ladies with no formal training or certification s whatsoever, would you be offended as a professional if they viewed themselves as on the same level as you in the business by calling themselves masseuses/massage therapists or “professionals”?
Or they knew in this political climate they wouldn't get justice if they filed a complaint against DW4 with HPD.
Atleast by going civil their complaints are being thoroughly investigated. They did exactly what I would've done if I was in their situation.
I don't
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Exactly! They have made more than 1 offer to settle. Watson was advised by Sports First to settle. He not only did not settle, he actually hooked up with more women after the offer (and warnings from Sports First). Making him deaf and/or dumb to continue his habits with massage therapist interactions AFTER a law firm warned him.
I’m not a licensed massage therapist/professional. I think you might be referring to @otisbean. But I get your point.
TexansBull
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I hope it’s to show he is ready for a trade because we are ready to trade him away.
Gotta get the legal stuff settled 1st.
CloakNNNdagger
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Posting a video and inferring from it a settlement is imminent is a blind jump in logic.
Number19
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Just FYI, the NFL lead investigator is a woman, Lisa Friel, and is the one who spoke to the four women.
Carr Bombed
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"IF THE TOWEL DON'T FIT, YOU MUST ACQUIT!"?..
I just thought it was interesting since clearly, until now, he's been told to keep his head down, and his mouth shut.
Dejaview
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I took the NFL’s comments to mean this: as a prosecutor of these types of crimes she knows what bar they must pass to stand up against the accused’s attorney. If they passed the smell test the NFL has more to work with when trying to decide DW’s fate. She grilled them for this purpose only, not to belittle them.
Also, Lisa Friel is a former bureau chief of the Sex Crimes Prosecution Units in the New York DA's office with a reputation for prosecuting sex offenders. With her background, I don't see her being insensitive or disrespectful to the four women.
I took it to mean questioning may have been different from HPD’s. Nothing more
CloakNNNdagger
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Prosecutors and defense attorneys approach the same situation with opposite goals. If you have followed the careers of many attorneys it is common for them to begin on one side of the fence and end up on the other. Their interests and goals are set by the firms, prosecution or defense, they work for. No matter what Friel's previous New York position was, she is now employed by the NFL office...........and it would be entirely naive to believe that she does not carry their water in the direction they dictate. The League would like nothing better than to make this whole thing go away............as quickly as possible...........all, of course under the guise of pursuing justice.
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All of that may be true. Was it disrespectful because she pressed them for details? My point is that a former prosecutor who spent over 10 years defending and seeking justice for victims of sexual violence would know how to navigate an interview with alleged victims without behaving like a bull in a china shop or disrespectful jerk. Hell, she probably have more experience with these cases and interacting with victims than Hardin and Buzbee combined.
Dejaview
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Don’t you think it would be far more damaging to the NFL if they didn’t take it seriously this time and this very visual episode would just be more of the same? This is the woke generation they are trying to please.
Yep. My thoughts, as well. As always, follow the money. The NFL wants this to go away. It's a bad look for the brand.