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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Mr teX said:
Lol c’mon Steelb that wasn’t a trap, it was just the truth as witnessed by all of us here & you know it.

& it’s funny how your common sense often perfectly aligns with your predetermined view of things. “Hunting” you say? Maybe....maybe not. But considering 1 of these supposed masseuses showed up at his door step completely unannounced and not at his request and another allegedly tried to blackmail him for 30k.....& at least a number of others were willing to masquerade as masseuses despite having no formal training whatsoever to do the work, I’d say there was at least a little “hunting” going on on both sides.....

it ain’t about what I deserve, it’s about the truth however it all shakes out. I’m past DW4. Before all this he was likely not gonna play for us again anyway so I could care less about what ultimately happens to him. Much like the Astros and the cheating scandal nonsense that they’re STILL getting crap for 3 years later from fans of opposing teams, I waited until I heard more. & eventually something more substantial than Jomboy’s videos came out....their apologies coming acknowledging what they had done sealed it for me..
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Lets nip that in the bud right now. She did NOT try and blackmail him, she had her lawyer send a letter of notice for a pending legal action and a proposed settlement to his lawyers. This is a completely legal and VERY common practice in order to allow both parties to avoid a possible legal battle. You may think its the same as blackmail, and on the surface it looks that way, but if it is then 95% of civil case in the USA that involves lawyers is blackmail. If you've ever gotten into a wreck and hired a lawyer to deal with the insurance company guess what by your definition you have tried to blackmail the insurance company because that is the first thing your lawyer did was send a letter.
 
Anyone want to speculate on the NFL’s reaction to all of this? For us they are the only entity that affects the football side. Without knowing the outcome of the investigations I can see them playing both sides of the ball. One one hand showing their concern for women and abuse by sitting him out for awhile. On the other hand subjecting him to intense therapy so in the end they can blame his actions on a sickness and society - social justice. Hope I’m wrong.
 
maverick512000 said:
We don't wait till we have all facts on anything else around here so why start with this?
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Don't want to tell you how to live your life, but waiting until you have all the info until making a decision or a conclusion just seems like a better way to go in life in general. So, might as well start with this. And if not, that's cool, too, I guess. Just don't expect others to agree with you if you jump to a conclusion and others are waiting for the facts.
 
paycheck71 said:
Don't want to tell you how to live your life, but waiting until you have all the info until making a decision or a conclusion just seems like a better way to go in life in general. So, might as well start with this. And if not, that's cool, too, I guess. Just don't expect others to agree with you if you jump to a conclusion and others are waiting for the facts.
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There's already plenty of "facts" out there and I can't think of a single one that paints Watson in a positive light or is in his favor.
 
The Houston Texans are reportedly "slowly moving on" from quarterback Deshaun Watson amid more than 20 women filing civil lawsuits accusing him of sexual assault and harassment.

ESPN's Jeremy Fowler said Sunday on SportsCenter the team's signing of Tyrod Taylor and drafting of Davis Mills signals the team is ready to move on:

"Teams I've talked to around the league are taking notice that the Houston Texans seem to be slowly moving on from Deshaun Watson because they have their bridge quarterback in Tyrod Taylor and they have their developmental draft pick in Davis Mills, a quarterback I'm told they are very high on with his instincts, his smarts and his big arm. And so, a couple of months ago, the Texans were turning down everybody who was calling them about Deshaun Watson. Carolina was willing to give them the world; they said no. They've been far less committal recently. They don't know when Watson's even going to be cleared to play. The league will consider putting Watson on the Commissioner's Exempt List later this summer if his case is still going on."
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bleacherreport.com

Deshaun Watson Rumors: Texans 'Seem to Be Slowly Moving on From' QB

The Houston Texans are reportedly "slowly moving on" from quarterback Deshaun Watson amid more than 20 women filing lawsuits accusing him of sexual assault and...
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maverick512000 said:
Why does he have to be? In fact why do any of us have to be? We are not judges, well a couple of us might be but not judges on this case, none of us are on a jury in a trial of Watson and if we were called Hardin or Buzbee should be able to identify bias and have us eliminated as a possible juror. We do not have a large, public platform to try and turn people for or against Watson, Hell odds are we are not even the majority opinion. We are fans on a football forum, so why should any of us have to worry about being unbias or neutral or "wait till we have all the evidence" or anything else? We don't wait till we have all facts on anything else around here so why start with this?
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I honestly do not understand what is so hard to comprehend about folks having opinions in the so-called "court of public opinion". I mean, it's right freakin' there in the name. . . :um:

If this was Deshaun Watson the asst. manager of Walgreens, nobody would second guess any of these women.

Unfortunately, the bright, glaring lights of fame seem to blind many people.
 
paycheck71 said:
Don't want to tell you how to live your life, but waiting until you have all the info until making a decision or a conclusion just seems like a better way to go in life in general. So, might as well start with this. And if not, that's cool, too, I guess. Just don't expect others to agree with you if you jump to a conclusion and others are waiting for the facts.
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Ah so there wasn’t jumping to conclusions about Easterby, or about the Hopkins trade or why Gaine was fired or who did the Clowney trade or Brooks or Brown or about how drafting JJ was a waste or about the 10k other things around here we have all jumped to conclusions on without the facts. Truth is if we waited till we had all the facts no one would post anything because we are never going to get all the facts or info.
 
maverick512000 said:
Ah so there wasn’t jumping to conclusions about Easterby, or about the Hopkins trade or why Gaine was fired or who did the Clowney trade or Brooks or Brown or about how drafting JJ was a waste or about the 10k other things around here we have all jumped to conclusions on without the facts. Truth is if we waited till we had all the facts no one would post anything because we are never going to get all the facts or info.
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OK. I guess that's a no, I don't care about facts, I just want more posts
 
Double Barrel said:
I honestly do not understand what is so hard to comprehend about folks having opinions in the so-called "court of public opinion". I mean, it's right freakin' there in the name. . . :um:

If this was Deshaun Watson the asst. manager of Walgreens, nobody would second guess any of these women.

Unfortunately, the bright, glaring lights of fame seem to blind many people.
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“Asst. TO THE Regional Manager” DeShaun Watson.
 
paycheck71 said:
OK. I guess that's a no, I don't care about facts, I just want more posts
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Do you realize there’s no need for this forum if people can’t throw opinions around, facts or not?

Hell, a lot of times the facts are right there and still get ignored by people around here. Deshaun Watson between the lines, for example.

I’m with you on gathering the facts before coming to a conclusion, but that doesn’t mean you can’t speculate, can't have one ******* thought about anything, just because you don’t have all the info. Otherwise, why have an account here?
 
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paycheck71 said:
OK. I guess that's a no, I don't care about facts, I just want more posts
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out of curiosity what is a FACT to you? Objective or subjective? Objective here is eyewitness accounts from a third party that can be trusted and so on and so forth. Give me a break. you sound real millennial but is that a fact? Just state an opinion and be done with it. Geeeeez.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
.....and in all seriousness, I doubt many of the women involved in sexual assault(s) return to the scene of the crime looking for a chance at another assault. Again, it's just the other side of coin. I don't like the idea of this happening to any female!!! Any individual who is eventually taken to court and proven guilty should suffer the severest of consequences but until that day arrives (now that 7 are willing to press criminal charges) Watson is innocent until proven guilty. Lynch-Mobs on this site are just going to have to wait and see.
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All we can do is sit back and wait for the police to do their investigation and the courts to run their course.

I don't really care one way or the other as to the outcome .... But He's got a lot of hurdles to cross to ever play in the NFL again.
 
Double Barrel said:
If this was Deshaun Watson the asst. manager of Walgreens, nobody would second guess any of these women.
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If this was Deshaun Watson the asst. manager of Walgreens a civil suit would not bring near the kind of money to the table as what Deshaun Watson the Franchise Qb of an NFL team can bring! It also would not be nearly as worthy of being a public matter as it is now.

Now if you are talking about Deshaun Watson Walgreen CEO, then their might be similarities!
 
Rich Eisen Shares What He’s Hearing About Deshaun Watson

There isn’t a whole lot of news regarding Houston Texans QB Deshaun Watson as his legal issues and standoff with the team continue. But Rich Eisen is hearing something interesting – or rather the lack of things he’s hearing are interesting.

Rich Eisen Shares What He’s Hearing About Deshaun Watson (msn.com)

Rich isn't hearing anything specific and is simply speculating. Still, I am thinking along the same lines as he is.
 
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Dejaview said:
out of curiosity what is a FACT to you? Objective or subjective? Objective here is eyewitness accounts from a third party that can be trusted and so on and so forth. Give me a break. you sound real millennial but is that a fact? Just state an opinion and be done with it. Geeeeez.
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My opinion has been clear, most people here have jumped to some real hot opinions waaaaay too quick. And LOL at the millennial comment, I wish.
 
banned1976 said:
What shade of blue is Watson’s balls today?

That’s it. That’s the post.
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He is thinking along the lines that DW4's legal issues may be dealt with before this fall and late in the season he could be traded and cleared to play. I see that as a possibilty myself. Still nobody knows anything and I said as much when I shared the link. Rich Eisen is simply reading the tea leaves so to speak and so am I. Outside of that, any news about DW4 has been dormant for some time now. The silence is speaking loudly to me.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
He is thinking along the lines that DW4's legal issues may be dealt with before this fall and late in the season he could be traded and cleared to play. I see that as a possibilty myself. Still nobody knows anything and I said as much when I shared the link. Rich Eisen is simply reading the tea leaves so to speak and so am I. Outside of that, any news about DW4 has been dormant for some time now. The silence is speaking loudly to me.
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I’ve been saying it here for weeks.
There is no Frickin way Hardin is letting this hit a court room. No way.
He will settle with all of them and then be immediately traded to PHIL or maybe DEN.
 
Jack Burton said:
I’ve been saying it here for weeks.
There is no Frickin way Hardin is letting this hit a court room. No way.
He will settle with all of them and then be immediately traded to PHIL or maybe DEN.
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Eisen is a known click baiter. Let's get that out of the way. And as far as Hardin, his biggest problem isn't Buzbee's complainants (although, it appears that not all are willing to settle out of court).........Hardin's biggest problem is Watson not being able in any degree admit to even the obvious stupidity that put him in the position in which he finds himself.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Eisen is a known click baiter. Let's get that out of the way. And as far as Hardin, his biggest problem isn't Buzbee's complainants (although, it appears that not all are willing to settle out of court).........Hardin's biggest problem is Watson not being able in any degree admit to even the obvious stupidity that put him in the position in which he finds himself.
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Thats the thing most people, guilty or innocent, in Watson's position of fame and money would have looked at this and gone "WTF was I thinking, ok pay the piper for the life lesson and then move on." Hell even Watson's own lawyers said they were willing to settle, just not for the asked amount, as a learning lesson for Watson. I think there is a very good chance that this could have been settled by now but I think Watson is telling Hardin he won't settle and he not only didn't do anything legally or morally wrong he didn't do anything intellectually wrong either. Doesn't matter what legal advice Hardin is giving him or what kind of settlement Buzbee and his clients would accept, if Watson is telling Hardin he won't settle then he is the client as Hardin has to go with that.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Rich Eisen Shares What He’s Hearing About Deshaun Watson

There isn’t a whole lot of news regarding Houston Texans QB Deshaun Watson as his legal issues and standoff with the team continue. But Rich Eisen is hearing something interesting – or rather the lack of things he’s hearing are interesting.

Rich Eisen Shares What He’s Hearing About Deshaun Watson (msn.com)

Rich isn't hearing anything specific and is simply speculating. Still, I am thinking along the same lines as he is.
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They’re not factoring the possibility of the state of Texas picking up these 7 cases and bringing their own charges.
 
Texansballer74 said:
They’re not factoring the possibility of the state of Texas picking up these 7 cases and bringing their own charges.
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I dunno how does that work ?
Ok say for example that the Harris county DA says we are going to trial (criminal court of course), so can Watson then work out a settlement where the plaintiffs drop their charges and can he then avoid the criminal trial or once the county or city says we are going to the courtroom, is that then irreversible ?
 
maverick512000 said:
Thats the thing most people, guilty or innocent, in Watson's position of fame and money would have looked at this and gone "WTF was I thinking, ok pay the piper for the life lesson and then move on." Hell even Watson's own lawyers said they were willing to settle, just not for the asked amount, as a learning lesson for Watson. I think there is a very good chance that this could have been settled by now but I think Watson is telling Hardin he won't settle and he not only didn't do anything legally or morally wrong he didn't do anything intellectually wrong either. Doesn't matter what legal advice Hardin is giving him or what kind of settlement Buzbee and his clients would accept, if Watson is telling Hardin he won't settle then he is the client as Hardin has to go with that.
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.............or tell him he can just find himself another lawyer.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
.............or tell him he can just find himself another lawyer.
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I thought about that to and then I realized, why should he? Hardin's prices aren't cheap and he doesn't only get paid based on winning like Buzbee so the longer Watson or anybody wants to drag this out the more money Hardin makes. Even if Watson doesn't get the pay day from the new contract he still has money from the endorsements and rookie contract so at this point he's still not hurting for money. Even if ultimately Watson loses Hardin's reputation is secure enough that it won't look bad on him and all he has to say if asked is that "It's an attorney's job to follow the will of his client even if he advises otherwise." which gets the message across but is nice and general enough to not break lawyer/client confidence
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Eisen is a known click baiter. Let's get that out of the way. And as far as Hardin, his biggest problem isn't Buzbee's complainants (although, it appears that not all are willing to settle out of court).........Hardin's biggest problem is Watson not being able in any degree admit to even the obvious stupidity that put him in the position in which he finds himself.
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Yeah, but I think Hardin has explained to Watson that he’s going to lose in court no matter what he believes in his fantasy world and he’s going to have to pay Hardin for his time and then find himself another lawyer.
 
maverick512000 said:
I thought about that to and then I realized, why should he? Hardin's prices aren't cheap and he doesn't only get paid based on winning like Buzbee so the longer Watson or anybody wants to drag this out the more money Hardin makes. Even if Watson doesn't get the pay day from the new contract he still has money from the endorsements and rookie contract so at this point he's still not hurting for money. Even if ultimately Watson loses Hardin's reputation is secure enough that it won't look bad on him and all he has to say if asked is that "It's an attorney's job to follow the will of his client even if he advises otherwise." which gets the message across but is nice and general enough to not break lawyer/client confidence
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Hardin will not go into court and lose. It will hurt him tremendously as a lawyer with high profile clients.
Hardin had to have had the “talk” with Watson by now and told him your going to be destroyed in court.
 
IDEXAN said:
I dunno how does that work ?
Ok say for example that the Harris county DA says we are going to trial (criminal court of course), so can Watson then work out a settlement where the plaintiffs drop their charges and can he then avoid the criminal trial or once the county or city says we are going to the courtroom, is that then irreversible ?
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No if the DA takes it to trial then thats it, nothing that does or does not happen in the civil cases has any affect on the criminal case and vice versa. A common misconception is that people file charges when the reality is that people file a report and the DA brings charges, at that point is it out of the, in this case, women's hands on what happens. Watson could settle every civil case against him and then he would still have to work out a settlement, most likely probation and community service if he's lucky, with the county/state. Thats putting aside any federal charges based off of crossing state lines. If Watson really does roll snake eyes on all this then it could get very very nasty for him because it could, in theory, go federal and federal doesn't plea bargain like state or county does because they like to make example and they are not subject to local elections.
 
Jack Burton said:
Hardin will not go into court and lose. It will hurt him tremendously as a lawyer with high profile clients.
Hardin had to have had the “talk” with Watson by now and told him your going to be destroyed in court.
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Maybe, maybe not. Hardin doesn't have to many years left and this is a big money case that he can drag out. Also Hardin has lost high profile cases, not often but it has happened. The second reason Hardin is so expensive is that even when he loses he get the sentence reduced to a stupid low amount. For example two of his clients, wealthy grandparents from Brazil, only served 4 months in jail for kidnapping their grandson and that one crossed international lines.
 
maverick512000 said:
Maybe, maybe not. Hardin doesn't have to many years left and this is a big money case that he can drag out. Also Hardin has lost high profile cases, not often but it has happened. The second reason Hardin is so expensive is that even when he loses he get the sentence reduced to a stupid low amount. For example two of his clients, wealthy grandparents from Brazil, only served 4 months in jail for kidnapping their grandson and that one crossed international lines.
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All lawyers have a win-loss record.
Hardin isn’t stupid though.
He knows there’s just too much evidence and once Buzzbee gets Watson on the stand....it’s over.
 
Double Barrel said:
I honestly do not understand what is so hard to comprehend about folks having opinions in the so-called "court of public opinion". I mean, it's right freakin' there in the name. . . :um:

If this was Deshaun Watson the asst. manager of Walgreens, nobody would second guess any of these women.

Unfortunately, the bright, glaring lights of fame seem to blind many people.
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Post of the month
 
So I’m in Galveston for a few days staying at the Galvez. I went for a spa massage this morning, y’all may think I’m lying but I’m not. My masseuse was a older lady, but she brought up Watson and said he contacted her co worker last year through instagram
 
Jack Burton said:
All lawyers have a win-loss record.
Hardin isn’t stupid though.
He knows there’s just too much evidence and once Buzzbee gets Watson on the stand....it’s over.
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evidence? not likely. Perhaps the long term effects of having possibly multiple trials drawn out for years is more the play. & ya'll are giving Buzzbee too much credit. He specializes in blitz attacks......which he has done in this case rather effectively. Ya'll talking about this dude like he's Jack McCoy..lol

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