It didn't have to be in that situation only. If easterby talks to a wr coach under contract about being oc at a party without going through the proper process it can be tampering
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Patriots Accuse Texans of Tampering
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It didn't have to be in that situation only. If easterby talks to a wr coach under contract about being oc at a party without going through the proper process it can be tampering
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I will say this again, this has nothing to do with what's legal or attorneys or proof or anything else. This is not a legal battle, not yet at least, this is an in house arbitration issue. Its just like when two employees at a company can't get along, the boss calls them in and either they settle it or usually one is fired. As of right now the decision is entirely in the hands of Goodell and the NFL and the Pats only have to prove something if the NFL says they do.
Goodell can say it was tampering, fine and take draft picks simply because he doesn't like Cal's haircut if it takes his fancy. Its just like the deflated footballs, there was no hard evidence but the NFL didn't like the look so they issued a ruling and punishment. That's the only point that it went to an actual court case and then it was settled. Stop thinking in terms of a legal battle, there is no proof needed, there is no fairness here and there are no false claims. It will be decided however the NFL want to decide it and they neither have to justify it nor explain it till maybe someday they are in front of an actual judge.
Goodell can say it was tampering, fine and take draft picks simply because he doesn't like Cal's haircut if it takes his fancy. Its just like the deflated footballs, there was no hard evidence but the NFL didn't like the look so they issued a ruling and punishment. That's the only point that it went to an actual court case and then it was settled. Stop thinking in terms of a legal battle, there is no proof needed, there is no fairness here and there are no false claims. It will be decided however the NFL want to decide it and they neither have to justify it nor explain it till maybe someday they are in front of an actual judge.
Really? What exactly do they have to gain from making a false claim? The fact of the matter is that buy league rule they are under no obligation to allow the Texans to interview him at all, end of story. So again what does this gain them if they have no proof? The bottom line is that it's far more likely that they have prof the Texans Tampered.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Really? Have you not read any other posts in this thread? They have a lot to gain, they can buy time to try and convince him to stay, they can delay where the Texans give up, they can convince the NFL that there was tampering, and no they don't need proof just convince Goodell, and get draft picks for it. Oh and lets not forget one of the big unspoken ones right now when people are talking about the Pats without talking about Kraft and perversion. So yeah they have a lot to gain.
Dejaview
All Pro
Which is the problem here. The proper process hasn’t been determined if it was properly processed, lol...which is an underlying theme to my posts here. These titles MUST have uniform standards so proper procedures can be applied without this bs.
If this is just an easy bs move by the pats, how come they've never done it when a coach or other front office guy leaves?
The Title doesn't matter, what he does for the team is, this is where the Texans screwed themselves.
How so?
Why was gaine fired a year into a 5 year contract? He was Obriens handpicked guy. Why now after the draft and free agency?
Dejaview
All Pro
How so? I’m sure Easterby knows his function with the Pats. Even Boston sports writers think the Pats could avoid this stuff if he is given a proper title with a salary increase to support it. Pats are on shaky ground on paper.
Dejaview
All Pro
How so? I’m sure Easterby knows his function with the Pats. Even Boston sports writers think the Pats could avoid this stuff if he is given a proper title with a salary increase to support it. Pats are on shaky ground on paper. So you see, title does matter to establish proper rules.
Was easterby aware of tampering rules?
Why is any player benched or even cut well before the end of their contract?
It appears they identified someone else they'd prefer to do a better job at the position.
Where's the cringeworthy part?
Dejaview
All Pro
Has the league ruled yet on the Pats denial for the interview?
Dejaview
All Pro
As has been clearly stated, Cal performed a “state of the franchise” evaluation and truthfully believes, IMO, that the path to the SB begins with this change. Tells me he wants to center power in that position to stabilize the franchise. I liked BG a lot but just gotta wait to see how this all shakes out. It doesn’t have to have a negative outcome.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
No that's where the Pats have possibly screwed themselves. If its a true GM position, including final say on drafts, then they can't block it since in NE BB has final say on everything.
Dejaview
All Pro
Right. I believe the rules state that after the season a GM candidate for an interview can’t be denied for a GM position that involves full control of the 53 man roster. Pats are on real shaky ground. IMO they clearly are manipulating the interview rules.
frethack
Rookie
To be fair, Gaine was Obriens hand picked guy in the same way that Mallett was his hand picked QB.
The Texans tried to interview Caserio, Ossenfort, Gutekunst and Douglass before they interviewed Gaine, so it would seem that Gaine was Obriens fifth choice.
No matter where Gaine ranked, a mistake was made in hiring him.
Not true, we know the Patriots officially filed a tampering claim, despite wishes to the contrary, these generally result in fines and or loos of draft picks.
Simple, because his contract prevents him from simply resigning and taking a similar position with a competitor, that's why you don't he Head Coaches just resigning and taking other coaching jobs, their are non-complete clauses to prevent this kind of stuff, just like there are non-tampering rules.
What's your crystal ball telling you SteelB, will Caserio end up coming to Houston as our GM ?
Your wrong here, not all GM positions are exactly the same in there scope of responsibilities, having last say on drafts, trades or personal isn't the defining characteristic of the GM position. There are many GM's that don't have the final say on all things.
Now you're just making stuff up, and adding language in that you would like to be there.LOL! The rule states that a team may not deny an interview for a higher position, disputes as to that are then submitted to the league to determine if theexisting position is in fact greater or less than the offered position.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Ok you have this really bad habit of declaring people wrong without either backing up what you are saying or even understanding what they saying. It doesn't matter what all GM positions have or do, what matters is if the Texans GM position has more authority than whatever he is doing for the Pats. If it does then this is considered a promotion and, assuming the league follows its own rules, the Pats can't stop it. If it doesn't then its considered a lateral move and they can stop it. The problem the Pats have is, despite what some on here think, for the Texans the Gm does indeed seem to have final say on who is drafted and such but for the Pats Belichick has final say.
All this has been discussed in detail with links to not just reports but the NFL rules themselves in all their legalese glory on the message board. So rather than being in a hurry to declare everyone wrong your second day here why don't you catch up on what has been said.
And you have a habit of making crap up out of the blue with clearly no idea what your talking about. You are dead wrong sir, comparable positions are not determined based on one item of authority over another. You think a GM can take another GM position simply based on weather or not his owner can veto his draft decisions or not?
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Posting this again for those that refuse to actually look things up before running their mouths.
The relevant league policy requires that, in order to hire an executive under contract with another team, the new team must offer “the primary authority over all personnel decisions related to the signing of free agents, the selection of players in the College Draft, trades, and related decisions; and . . . the primary responsibility for coordinating other football activities with the head coach.”
Although “[f]inal authority regarding the composition of the 53-player roster is not a requirement,” the job nevertheless must convey primary authority to the G.M. If it doesn’t, request for permission to interview an executive under contract with another team can be denied.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...the-top-choice-to-become-the-next-texans-g-m/
Also owner vetoing has nothing to do with it because BB isn't the damn owner.
Now either post something to back up the crap you are saying or shut up.
Dejaview
All Pro
That was just meant as a joke. And who cares if they filed a tampering charge. First just tell me if they had a valid complaint. I’m fairly positive the league has to back up and rule on the Pats denying the Texans an interview. That little problem won’t go away, I think all the events surrounding BG happened so quickly nothing has been said yet. One could argue the tampering charge was made to muddle the decision and should not have been allowed to be filed since it presupposes the NFL’s decision.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Watch the Texans give the Patriots a 3rd pick to talk to Caserio and he shoots the Texans down.
The problem that won't go away seems to be the fact that instead of taking it up with the league after the denial, the Texans apparently tampered with a Pats employee. If this is in fact the case, the Texans may likely lose both a draft pick and a potential GM candidate.
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Pharaohcious
Waterboy
So are the Texans going to take this on the nose and fork over a draft pick or is there a process or are there litigation processes that are currently occurring between the two clubs or is Roger Goodell the deciding authority or what?
What's the angle here?
If the Texans say yeah we tampered or
If the Texans DENY DENY DENY or
IF the Texans are found to not have Tampered?
What's the angle here?
If the Texans say yeah we tampered or
If the Texans DENY DENY DENY or
IF the Texans are found to not have Tampered?
Didn't they tamper first?
Pharaohcious
Waterboy
Wait so if the Texans are found guilty of Tampering... they can't interview him? AND they lose a Draft pick?
You can't Tamper with your own employee. If the story out there is to believed, the Texans requested access to him and the Patriots denied them access, and instead of pursuing it with the NFL, the Texans then did something that resulted in Tampering charges. My guess is they were caught going around the League and speaking to him without the Patriots or Leagues permission.
throwANDREtheBALL
Waterboy
I'm sick of the Pats and everything that has to do with them.
Instead of giving them a pick, send them coach butt-chin.
He can be Brady's best friend again. LOL
And we can bring in a GM and coach that have nothing to do with the ball-deflating patriots organization
Instead of giving them a pick, send them coach butt-chin.
He can be Brady's best friend again. LOL
And we can bring in a GM and coach that have nothing to do with the ball-deflating patriots organization
I mean the texans tampered first, then they requested an interview
Whether the interview is allowed will be determined by the nfl based on their rules.
The Texans formally requested interviews with Caserio twice. Once, before we hired Gaine, and once after we fired Gaine. They could deny the first interview on grounds that the Patriots season wasn't over. It's not so easy this time, as we're still prior to Training Camp.
The Patriots are claiming we tampered with him prior to the formal interview request...with nothing more specific announced than "Easterby and Caserio were in same room together" before Gaine firing was announced. They're friends. They have the same agent. "Getting word" to him about the Texans interest wouldn't require such subterfuge. Interest that we already showed LAST year.
You don't know what they have in terms of proof, you only hope they don't have any.
Makes no difference, all the Patriots have to do is prove that the Texans had contact with him without getting permission from the Pats or the League. That's tampering folks, like it or not.
It's my understanding, and I could be wrong on this, but if the Texans offer a pick, regardless of the round, and the the Pats accept, Caserio becomes our new GM. In other words, it becomes like a trade. A draft pick for a GM. The Texans wouldn't be giving the Pats a draft pick simply for the right to interview Caserio. Now, if the tampering charges come into play and the League makes a ruling that the Texans were guilty of tampering and says they must give up a pick or picks to the Pats, that's a different story!
It makes all the difference in the world.
Contact alone, especially two guys who are friends, meeting at another person's house, does NOT constitute tampering.
There's no "you cannot have any sort of conversation with each other" clause in the tampering document.
If there was, it'd be awfully damn quiet at the owners/league meetings.
All day long you've convinced yourself that it's some sort of foregone conclusion that the Texans tampered.
You think you've got a smoking gun, let's hear it!
Texas Jake
Rookie
Obrien casts a smaller shadow.
1. I think what they saw from him in free agency and draft reinforced the belief that Gaine was too conservative in his approach and too reluctant to spend cap money to build the team.
2. To make a change prior to the draft would have put the new GM and organization in a bind and created chaos. Not something you want heading into such a crucial event.
3. Now is a perfect time to make a GM change. No crucial decisions to make and it gives him the maximum time to prepare for the next free agency and draft.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Fact is neither of you have a clue one way or the other.
What the league does as a result won't generally tell you either. They aren't exactly a fact based justice system in the NFL. Its about as Kangaroo court as it gets.
Caserio will be the GM, I wouldn't give the Pats crap and let God'ell make his decision. I think the Texans probably will have to give up a draft pick to make a clean break though.
Belichick F'ed the Texans out of hiring Caserio last time. Ain't happenin this time around.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Give up the 1st rounder and I think the deal gets done.
Nope a 3rd at best or let God'ell make the call.
Pharaohcious
Waterboy
The Texans are going to HAVE TO trade a pick now for the Caserio INTERVIEW!??
I wouldn't bet the whole farm on that guy from NE.
I wouldn't bet the whole farm on that guy from NE.
Pharaohcious
Waterboy
We need our 1st round desperately we got no RT no LT our corners are BARLEY getting better...
Mangler
Toro de España
You still ain’t banned? Wow...