TexansBull
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Patriots Accuse Texans of Tampering
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You can pretend it’s a pick that is traded away or a Rick Smith pick.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Hate the thought of giving them a pick, but I wouldn’t sweat a 3rd rounder..as it stands now, we could possibly get another 3rd round compensatory pick for Matthieu...if the pot needs to be sweetened give them the 7th round compensatory for Lamm.
If they don’t want that, **** it, you get nothing & u let the process play out & he comes here anyway. Under no circumstances am I giving them a 1 or a 2...
If they don’t want that, **** it, you get nothing & u let the process play out & he comes here anyway. Under no circumstances am I giving them a 1 or a 2...
throwANDREtheBALL
Waterboy
He's not the only smart football guy, but he's definitely the only smart one when he's compared to Farmer and Mayhew.
throwANDREtheBALL
Waterboy
The system is B.S. the Patriots never follow the rules and rarely get punished for it.
They should give us a pick, when the league finds out they wrongly accused us just to try to get a pick out of us.
They should give us a pick, when the league finds out they wrongly accused us just to try to get a pick out of us.
Is he 'scraps' if they don't want to let him go?
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
This isn't going to be over for some time. That's the point. We need a new GM now and the Pats know that. They are attempting to extend the process, even if it's a losing case, in the hopes that the Texans will get antsy and move on because of our need to have the front office straight as soon as possible.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Never know. They did trade us Ryan Mallett.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
To play devil's advocate, Belichick is going to hang it up soon. That's why all their top brass is trying to hang around. Somebody is going to inherit a well oiled machine and other people in that franchise are going to get a lot more power once BB hangs it up.
Also, there's no telling if Caserio would even come to Houston considering the current HC has won power struggles with the last 2 GM's and gotten them both fired.
Yeah, okay. Caserio wants the job so bad and the Patriots are just holding him hostage. Very plausible.
And what a shocker that old fat McLain the Texan schill is painting everything completely rosy on the Texans behalf. Is Jon Harris gonna chime in next and tell us the same?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I don't think it's that. It's just the Patriots working the system, exploring every loophole, turning over every rock, like the Patriots do.
Wasn't there a rule change recently about offensive formations because of something the Patriots were exploiting? Just the Patriots Patrioting.
I was just thinking this if there’s no proof they should lose a pick
I was just thinking this if there’s no proof they should lose a pick
throwANDREtheBALL
Waterboy
exactly Belichick is just an a-hole. And he likes wielding his power any chance he can, even if he knows he's wrong. If he can do it, he will. If he's not allowed to do it, he'll try anyway.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Unless that “well oiled machine” includes Tom Brady then whoever does inherent it is actually coming into a tough situation. NE and it’s fans have gotten use to winning and if BB and Brady hang it up around the same time then the next GM/HC is going to have some huge shoes to fill and a fan base expecting business as usual. Honestly it’s not near as good a deal as you’d think.
Also BoB getting two GMs fired is completely asinine. Smith left to be with his wife in what would be her last days and there is zero evidence that BoB even knew about Gaine going to be fired.
I disagree. It's been widely acknowledged that every team was filming opponent practices but who was the fall guy? BB and the Pats.
Deflategate was a ridiculous witch hunt, where the only "real" evidence was a decision by Brady to destroy a phone. Bad optics sure, but he very well could've had some pictures or videos on the phone he didn't want to get out. We all know how well the NFL keeps a lid on things.
I find it funny when people rail against the Pats as cheaters. I would absolutely love having a coach that knows the rules better than the referees and could bend those rules to his teams advantage. The Texans coach says that's not his job.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Then why are you wanting their staff members so badly? Hate them, but you really want to them literally.
If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'. I'd give up 5 1st round picks to have BB as the Texans HC/GM. He is head and shoulders above every other coach in the league.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Do you doubt one bit that so would he? Lol!
I have no doubt that he would bend the rules to the breaking point. I don't think he would out and out cheat.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I was referring to the poster you were talking to.
I see said the blind man to his deaf wife.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Right. Remember what happened to the Colts when Peyton went down. Then again, the Pats did win 11 games with Matt Cassel. But once both Belichick and Brady are gone, it ain't gonna be the same around them parts. No one will ever live up to them, and they'll hear about it.
I'm probably just an idiot here, but I don't get the connection.
They're definitely doing that. But I don't think that precludes their preference to keep Caserio an integral part of their plans.
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Trying to draw the connection that we overvalue their goods. Not a good drawer I know. Could be worse.
Meanwhile the Texans haven't read the rule book
Max
Veteran
The question I have that I can't find an answer to is -- Caserio is going to get interviewed as part of the tampering charges and if his story is that we tampered, is that enough to impose a penalty on us given the circumstances that we met w/ him the day before firing Gaine and then tried to interview him?
I'm guessing it's enough to be penalized. And even if it isn't, I don't know if the Texans brass can feel confident that they won't get penalized. We can't exactly call Caserio and ask him what he's going to say and screw this up worse than it already is. And I'm not sure how they could be confident that he'll deny tampering even if he originally told us he wanted the job -- he did meet w/ Kraft and BB before filing charges and who knows what went on in that meeting?
My point is that BB basically has a gun to our head demanding a draft pick for Caserio. The gun is the fact that we might lose a draft pick and not get Caserio if the investigation continues and we're found guilty as charged. So the better option is to at least get Caserio for that draft pick and trade it to NE.
I'm guessing it's enough to be penalized. And even if it isn't, I don't know if the Texans brass can feel confident that they won't get penalized. We can't exactly call Caserio and ask him what he's going to say and screw this up worse than it already is. And I'm not sure how they could be confident that he'll deny tampering even if he originally told us he wanted the job -- he did meet w/ Kraft and BB before filing charges and who knows what went on in that meeting?
My point is that BB basically has a gun to our head demanding a draft pick for Caserio. The gun is the fact that we might lose a draft pick and not get Caserio if the investigation continues and we're found guilty as charged. So the better option is to at least get Caserio for that draft pick and trade it to NE.
edo783
Hall of Fame
That is what NE is counting on. We will be too scared to force the issue and cave in and just give them a pick or two. I hope we know we didn't do it and have the stones to tell them " ok aholes, we will let the league sort of out" and then file with the league for a false claim. Wouldn't get us anything extra, but would get to kick a little sand in BBs face.
Max
Veteran
You're assuming we didn't do it (tamper)? Seems likely to me that we did and are just hoping it can't be proved.
around here lately
I'd negotiate the old way
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
They'll turn into Cowboys fans.. except with the asshole yankee attitude.
Pharaohcious
Waterboy
Could Caserio have instigated this whole thing KNOWING he could get a 1st round to pick for NE?
Pharaohcious
Waterboy
Pharaohcious
Waterboy
you can exchange Cash for GMs, HCs and EMPs?
Pharaohcious
Waterboy
why don't we just buy the Browns GM?? Gnuk-gnuk-gnuk (lol)
Wrong, you can trade any asset, player coach or GM so long as they are under contract and you have clear rights to their services.
Toro Bravo
Rookie
They're called Massholes.
Gotta link showing this?
Dejaview
All Pro
Just out of curiosity, why do you make so many posts like this one? I mean how many times a day for I guess years do you take these one line unsubstantiated shots? What do they add? To be honest it just really seems to debase the conversations.
Davis did trade Gruden to the Bucs for draft picks.
Seems likely that two guys who know each other met at a private party at a private house they were both already invited to...and actually talked to each other. The only reason I think there "might" actually be enough to charge the Texans with tampering is that the bar is so ridiculously low.
That said, unless an offer was made (either directly, or as part of a hypothetical), it's still a hard case to prove. Simply discussing the fact that Gaine's firing was imminent wouldn't be tampering. Discussing we would soon be having an opening isn't tampering. Asking Caserio if he was open to leaving NE for a GM position (in General) wouldn't even be tampering. Asking if he'd be interested if we "did" have an opening is over the low NFL bar though.
So what will the Patriots’ case focus on? I’m told that the timing of the events above—Easterby and Caserio being together less than 24 hours before Gaine was fired, then the Texans putting in for Caserio almost immediately after moving on from Gaine—got their attention. Only adding to that was Caserio and Easterby seen talking with one another (which isn’t really unusual, but still …) at the Kraft’s house.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/13/carson-wentz-eagles-contract-extension-howie-roseman
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Talking about a new job opportunity with Caserio in his present employers home makes no sense at all because if the two men wanted to communicate with each about a sensitive subject like employment with another organization, well they already have the perfect medium because the two men have same agent.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/13/carson-wentz-eagles-contract-extension-howie-roseman
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Talking about a new job opportunity with Caserio in his present employers home makes no sense at all because if the two men wanted to communicate with each about a sensitive subject like employment with another organization, well they already have the perfect medium because the two men have same agent.
Been posted in one thread or another... but I don't think you can trade asst coaches. HC or above
Google it yourself, any contracted employee of a team is and could be subject trade, coaches, scouts, trainers, front office people. If there was a link to common sense I would give it to you.
Yes, but it's on HC and above that can be traded, and even that is different than a player trade. A team is basically giving up a draft pick for the HC (or above) to be released from his contract.
yeah, even it's another noob