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Report: Julio Jones teams up with Tom Brady, signing with Bucs

With star receiver Chris Godwin recovering from a torn ACL late last season, the Bucs are adding a veteran target for Tom Brady.
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Julio Jones is signing a one-year deal to join the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports.

The seven-time Pro Bowl receiver joins his second team since leaving the Atlanta Falcons after a single season last year with the Tennessee Titans.
 
Texansballer74 said:
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Report: Julio Jones teams up with Tom Brady, signing with Bucs

With star receiver Chris Godwin recovering from a torn ACL late last season, the Bucs are adding a veteran target for Tom Brady.
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Julio Jones is signing a one-year deal to join the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports.

The seven-time Pro Bowl receiver joins his second team since leaving the Atlanta Falcons after a single season last year with the Tennessee Titans.
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So the Titans will be without both Jones and AJ Brown (traded to the Eagles), which sure makes it sound like
their passing game will be much less potent than in past years this fall. I like that !
 
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So the Titans will be without both Jones and AJ Brown (traded to the Eagles), which sure makes it sound like
their passing game will be much less potent than in past years this fall. I like that !
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They added Robert Woods in the offseason and drafted Treylon Burks with the 18th overall pick.

The former has had some solid to really nice seasons in LA, while the latter has been struggling so far as a young pro with his conditioning.

At the same time, as good as AJ Brown has been early in his career Julio Jones has been decent at best his last two seasons now.

Can't say for sure how that all shakes out as a net result for their passing game, but we'll certainly see pretty soon.
 
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Garoppolo is still not throwing. When he had surgery on March 8, the report was that he had a "torn right shoulder [his throwing arm] capsule." Then the information I could gather was that he underwent a rotator cuff tear. It wasn't identified as a partial tear vs complete tear. With the former, you would expect throwing to begin by the 4 month period..........3 days from now. I suspect that Garopollo will be found to have undergone a repair of a complete rotator cuff tear.. and will not hear of him throwing by the beginning of TC. He may not be ready to return to play until the beginning of the season. Time will tell. Stats are sparse for NFL QBs who have undergone this repair. But Recent studies of rotator cuff repairs in the throwing shoulder have shown that overhead throwers have <70% return. And for those who do return, the overall rate of return at a similar level of play is <45%. Keep in mind that baseball players which were part of this group made up most of the stats. The QBs were a small percentage of those in the studies........with the return to play and return level of performance being much more disturbing.

Although surgical techniques have significantly improved since the QBs in this ESPN article underwent the surgery, the results have not been that much more impressive.
QBs not the same after injury, surgery
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Garoppolo just started throwing ~3 weeks ago. Passing his physical in no way speaks to his expected performance. There is no set standard by which teams clear a player post injury.......each team follows its own chosen standard. That's why you not uncommonly see a player fail his physical and be released...........just to be picked up and cleared by another team within 24 hours.

Here is an older article re. the college decision-making clearance variances.........very similar to those of today's NFL decision-making process..................Doctors' Decision To Clear Athletes To Return To Play After Injury: Wide Variability In Factors Considered
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Report: Jimmy Garoppolo passes physical, wiping out $7.5 million injury guarantee
Posted by Charean Williams on July 26, 2022, 10:50 PM EDT


49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo passed his physical Tuesday and thus won’t be placed on the active/physically unable to perform list, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports.
That wipes out Garoppolo’s $7.5 million injury guarantee, leaving no guaranteed money on his contract unless he’s on the team’s roster Week 1. (Spoiler alert: He won’t be.)

Garoppolo underwent surgery on his right shoulder on March 8 and only recently started throwing again.

His surgery took the 49ers by surprise and brought trade talks to a “screeching halt.” With Garoppolo healthy again, the 49ers are seeking to deal him.

Until then, Garoppolo will not practice or play with the team as the 49ers put him in bubble wrap.

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I would be very wary of picking up Garoppolo, expecting him to perform at his pre-injury level.
 
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Buc's Center Ryan Jensen was carted off the field with a knee injury. "No diagnosis for a few days because of swelling." There is a BS statement. Physical exam even in the eye of swelling can still make an accurate diagnosis for at least the primary injury. The limited film looks like an ACL and/or MCL..........certainly a diagnosis that is at this time pretty well ascertainable. Nevertheless, it doesn't look like we'll see him this season. Good luck to the big man.

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Tampa Bay Buccaneers starting center Ryan Jensen carted off with knee injury as team awaits test results
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TAMPA, Fla. -- Tampa Bay Buccaneers starting center Ryan Jensen still is undergoing tests on a left knee injury he suffered in practice Thursday, but a source told ESPN that it's "not looking good" for the Pro Bowler.

The injury happened during a team period and resulted in the whole team gathering around Jensen, who has been a fixture on the Bucs' offensive line for five seasons. The mood immediately turned somber, and he was carted off the field.

"That usually happens when you have a player like Ryan who is obviously a very good player but also just a great person and a leader, and his toughness -- things like that, about him, that define him," general manager Jason Licht said. "When a player like that gets hurt and he's played through several injuries in his career, without missing any time, it deflates everybody. We'll wait to find out what it is and we're hoping for the best."

Licht added that the team might not have a diagnosis for a few days because of swelling.
 
NFL makes Guardian Caps mandatory for many positions through second preseason game
Posted by Mike Florio on July 28, 2022, 10:09 AM EDT


They debuted in recent years as curiosities of the offseason program. Now, the Guardian Caps worn over helmets will be seen during practices throughout the first month of training camp and the preseason.

According to the NFL, the teams passed a resolution in March requiring the use of Guardian Caps through the second preseason game. The oversized outer layer of padding must be worn by all offensive linemen, defensive linemen, linebackers, and tight ends.

“Preseason is the part of the season with the greatest concentration of helmet impacts,” the league explained in a statement to PFT. “Wearing Guardian Cap results in at least a 10 percent reduction in severity of impact if one player is wearing it, and at least a 20 percent reduction in impact if two players in a collision are wearing it. This is, of course, just one piece of our larger efforts to reduce avoidable head impacts through better helmets, improved techniques and training regimens.”

The company that manufactures the Guardian Cap was one of the winners of the NFL’s first HeadHealthTECH innovation challenge series, in 2017. The league designed the competition to stimulate development of better player safety equipment.

Certain types of contact are inherent to the game of football. Other types can be avoided. The Guardian Cap helps the impact of the contact to become minimized.

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The 20% reduction of impact of course is only in the case of helmet to helmet contact. Guardian Sports claims it reduces impact by up to 33 percent, while also reducing static heat 15 to 20 degrees.

The Guardian Caps are also flexible enough to fit over various helmet sizes. Per ESPN, the average reduction was closer to 10 percent compared to a traditional helmet, with that 33 percent number coming from high schoolers, who naturally exert significantly less force.

Photos of the Steeler wearing their padded condoms during minicamp.
 
It's interesting to note that the Guardian helmets for quite a while have been prescribed for those with autism, epilepsy and other seizure disorders. In addition, they have been recommended for those with bleeding disorders that may cause intracranial bleeds from minimal traumas to the head.
 
Bears C Lucas Patrick has a broken right thumb and will likely undergo surgery. Surgery would make it unlikely for him to be ready to play center by week 1. Don't be surprised to see him plugged into an OG position while he doesn't have full fine use of both hands.
 
Hopefully, the Jags talent scouting continues their fine work.

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Jaguars cut rookie kicker Andrew Mevis after ugly misses, including one that hit Dave Campo
Posted by Michael David Smith on July 30, 2022, 6:59 AM EDT


Most players get more than four days of training camp to show what they can do, but Jaguars rookie kicker Andrew Mevis did not have a start to training camp like most players.
Mevis was cut by the Jaguars just four days into camp after a disastrous start that had reporters on the scene describing him missing wildly, with field goals coming up short, missing badly wide, and in one case hitting former Cowboys head coach Dave Campo, who does commentary for a local radio station and was off to the side of the practice field.

Multiple reporters on the scene described Mevis missing kicks and not even coming close.

Mevis spent four years at Fordham before transferring to Iowa State last year, and he had a good enough final season in college that the Jaguars thought he was worth signing. But his disastrous training camp may make Jacksonville his first and last NFL stop.
 
Cowboys receiver James Washington fractured his right foot. He tried to walk, but was immediately thereafter placed on the cart. As a WR, his fracture is mostl likely a Jones fracture.
 
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Can't tell if he was drunk or just had loss of coordination. Henry missed the last 9 games of last season, to come back for the 2nd playoff game in limited capacity, after sustaining a foot injury which was actually a Jones fracture. It's known that after a year, anywhere from 25-50% of Jones fractures treated with a screw will be only partially healed or unhealed. Furthermore, across all positions, return to play results in decreased performance from preinjury................4 times poorer in a RB than in a WR. The RB demonstrated the greatest decrease due to his constant need to repeatedly strongly and quickly pushoff.........and so often against great resistance.

Hopefully, "King Henry" has not fallen significant victim to his recent foot injury. It is to be determined with real in-game play.
 
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Can't tell if he was drunk or just had loss of coordination. Henry missed the last 9 games of last season, to come back for the 2nd playoff game in limited capacity, after sustaining a foot injury which was actually a Jones fracture. It's known that after a year, anywhere from 25-50% of Jones fractures treated with a screw will be only partially healed or unhealed. Furthermore, across all positions, return to play results in decreased performance from preinjury................4 times poorer in a RB than in a WR. The RB demonstrated the greatest decrease due to his constant need to repeatedly strongly and quickly pushoff.........and so often against great resistance.

Hopefully, "King Henry" has not fallen significant victim to his recent foot injury. It is to be determined with real in-game play.
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Thinking of Walter Payton, Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson, Barry Sanders, or even Emmit Smith's legs. Is it me or does Henry have the weakest looking legs of any top tier RB in NFL history?
 
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Thinking of Walter Payton, Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson, Barry Sanders, or even Emmit Smith's legs. Is it me or does Henry have the weakest looking legs of any top tier RB in NFL history?
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Because of his height, he has deceptively thin looking legs. Here's an interesting article about Henry and his mechanical advantages.:

The science behind what makes Derrick Henry unique
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445 torn ACL’s since 2013 in the NFL. The #’s by position:

74 - LB
70 - WR
59 - OL
56 - CB
55 - DT/DE
39 - RB/FB
34 - S
33 - TE
17 - QB
4 - LS (Long Snapper)
3 - P
1 - K
 
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445 torn ACL’s since 2013 in the NFL. The #’s by position:

74 - LB
70 - WR
59 - OL
56 - CB
55 - DT/DE
39 - RB/FB
34 - S
33 - TE
17 - QB
4 - LS (Long Snapper)
3 - P
1 - K
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Are there any trends that you've noticed? Injuries getting better/worse over the years?Correlations with changes in the # of practices teams have? Curious what you're looking for as you track these numbers if you don't mind sharing.
 
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Are there any trends that you've noticed? Injuries getting better/worse over the years?Correlations with changes in the # of practices teams have? Curious what you're looking for as you track these numbers if you don't mind sharing.
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I will try to offer some important ACL trends that are significant from the 2013 to the 2021 seasons..............leaving out the 2020 season because of the COVID disruption.

Approximately 2/3rd of ACL tears were sustained during game play, while ~1/3 were sustained during practice. This did not differ by year .. Practice-based injuries were significantly higher in the preseason (~3/5thspractice-based injuries and 2/5ths game-related injuries) relative to the remainder of the season

The distribution of tears in the preseason versus season reveals that just under 50% of ACLs have occurred in the preseason and just over 50% occurred during the season plus postseason.

The most frequent month in which tears were sustained overall was August (~30%) and the most frequent in-season month for tears was October (~15%)

There is a trend that the first month of return to formal game play having the highest proportion of ACL tears. This trend is also been demonstrated in the 1st week of return to TC.

The 5 most frequent positions of players sustaining tears were linebacker (~17%), wide receiver (~15.0%), offensive line (~13%), cornerback (~11%), and running back (~8%). The proportion of tears by player position has essentially not differed by season.

The 2021 NFL Health and Safety data shows that there has been a double-digit increase over each of the past six seasons. In other words, while surgical and rehab techniques continue to improve, ACL tears in the NFL aren't going away. That's because the trend is upward due to bigger, faster players. Conventional wisdom maintains that strengthening leg muscles will protect the knee, but this clearly doesn’t hold true with mass and power increases. No one in athletics is stronger than American football players, yet they rupture their ligaments regularly. The reason is that a person's ACL is proportionate in size to the top of their tibia. So a 6ft tall person has about the same size ligament as another 6ft tall person. We use this fact when selecting donor ligaments and meniscus cartilages to replace the ruptured tissues. However when a six-foot-tall person increases in mass from a normal 200 lbs to 350 lbs of muscle their ligaments do not change size. And a 350 lb football player in 2022 can run nearly as fast as sprinters used to run the 40-yard dash 10 years ago. This gigantic increase in size and speed has led to the rising rate of ACL ruptures we see.

No doubt, the progressively limited offseason and preseason training has increased the numbers of ACLs..........not only preseason game cancellations but also substantial practice schedule changes, including more strength and conditioning sessions, more walk throughs, and delayed live contact and padded practices. This limited training has been shown to progressively increase not only ACL injury risk, but overall NFL injury rates.

Time for recovery following surgery, with only some notable exceptions have remained essentially 9-12 months. And return to play is by no means the same as return to previous performance, which if it all all occurs does not tend to occur before 2 years.

It's important to note that no ACL rupture preventive efforts have been effective. Braces to protect the knee have never worked, despite brace manufacturers’ best efforts to market them as “protective gear.” The braces strap onto the large muscles of the thigh and calf in an attempt to limit ligament rupturing during extremes of motion. The knee joint must bend and rotate to function normally. However, there simply is no external brace that can control the motion of the femur on the tibia without being screwed into the bone itself. Other than using braces for resistance to bruises and providing warmth, athletes in most sports—including skiing—have given them up. Surgeons use them only temporarily in the immediate postoperative period.

I am sure that I haven't covered everything, but it should give you a pretty good overview of what some of the recognizable ACL injury trends are.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
I will try to offer some important trends that are significant from the 2013 to the 2021 seasons..............leaving out the 2020 season because of the COVID disruption.

Approximately 2/3rd of ACL tears were sustained during game play, while ~1/3 were sustained during practice. This did not differ by year .. Practice-based injuries were significantly higher in the preseason (~3/5thspractice-based injuries and 2/5ths game-related injuries) relative to the remainder of the season

The distribution of tears in the preseason versus season reveals that just under 50% of ACLs have occurred in the preseason and just over 50% occurred during the season plus postseason.

The most frequent month in which tears were sustained overall was August (~30%) and the most frequent in-season month for tears was October (~15%)

There is a trend that the first month of return to formal game play having the highest proportion of ACL tears. This trend is also been demonstrated in the 1st week of return to TC.

The 5 most frequent positions of players sustaining tears were linebacker (~17%), wide receiver (~15.0%), offensive line (~13%), cornerback (~11%), and running back (29 tears, 7.7%). The proportion of tears by player position has essentially not differed by season.

The 2021 NFL Health and Safety data shows that there has been a double-digit increase over each of the past six seasons. In other words, while surgical and rehab techniques continue to improve, ACL tears in the NFL aren't going away. That's because the trend is upward due to bigger, faster players. Conventional wisdom maintains that strengthening leg muscles will protect the knee, but this clearly doesn’t hold true with mass and power increases. No one in athletics is stronger than American football players, yet they rupture their ligaments regularly. The reason is that a person's ACL is proportionate in size to the top of their tibia. So a 6ft tall person has about the same size ligament as another 6ft tall person. We use this fact when selecting donor ligaments and meniscus cartilages to replace the ruptured tissues. However when a six-foot-tall person increases in mass from a normal 200 lbs to 350 lbs of muscle their ligaments do not change size. And a 350 lb football player in 2022 can run nearly as fast as sprinters used to run the 40-yard dash 10 years ago. This gigantic increase in size and speed has led to the rising rate of ACL ruptures we see.

No doubt, the progressively limited offseason and preseason training has increased the numbers of ACLs..........not only preseason game cancellations but also substantial practice schedule changes, including more strength and conditioning sessions, more walk throughs, and delayed live contact and padded practices. This limited training has been shown to progressively increase not only ACL injury risk, but overall NFL injury rates.

Time for recovery following surgery, with only some notable exceptions have remained essentially 9-12 months. And return to play is by no means the same as return to previous performance, which if it all all occurs does not tend to occur before 2 years.

It's important to note that no ACL rupture preventive efforts have been effective. Braces to protect the knee have never worked, despite brace manufacturers’ best efforts to market them as “protective gear.” The braces strap onto the large muscles of the thigh and calf in an attempt to limit ligament rupturing during extremes of motion. The knee joint must bend and rotate to function normally. However, there simply is no external brace that can control the motion of the femur on the tibia without being screwed into the bone itself. Other than using braces for resistance to bruises and providing warmth, athletes in most sports—including skiing—have given them up. Surgeons use them only temporarily in the immediate postoperative period.

I am sure that I haven't covered everything, but it should give you a pretty good overview of what some of the recognizable ACL injury trends are.
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Wow. I didn't expect such a detailed response. Very informative and interesting. Thanks for taking the time to put all of that together. Interesting note on knee braces at the end. Do you see any value in knee braces for kids in high school (or any level) football?
 
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Wow. I didn't expect such a detailed response. Very informative and interesting. Thanks for taking the time to put all of that together. Interesting note on knee braces at the end. Do you see any value in knee braces for kids in high school (or any level) football?
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Only to try to decrease the possibility of MCL injury (mostly linemen)..
 
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