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Moulds Trade Official
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mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Throw in TKO Spikes, Lee Evans, and the Bills' first round picks for the next few hundred years and I'll do it.HJam72 said:Do we need to sweeten the pot somehow? Maybe they'd be less upset about losing Moulds if we gave them AJ.
Bearfan Blue and Orange
Waterboy
johnny_tlmn said:
It was on an earlier post that had the posting from the FOX or whatever it was.
Now show me where it stated he is "OFFICIALLY A TEXAN"????
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
From what Ive seen, the best trade would be for us to give them our 5th round, and switch our 4th pick with theirs. This means we give up one pick and another one gets pushed back. Its almost like just giving up a 4th round pick.
bdiddy
Waterboy
jacquescas
Veteran
seriously having 2 recievers at 6'2 or larger is going to create enourmous matchup problems.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
jacquescas said:
Walters makes 3... And, frankly, Putzier makes a 4th. Putzier will demand attention from a safety, which isn't something that has ever been true about a Texan TE. Miller had good hands but he wasn't athletic enough to beat most LBs. Putzier can hit those seam routes and cause the safeties to make a play on him... Which, when AJ, Moulds, Mathis, and Bush are lurking around on the field as well, will make for a lot of fun!
Texans34Life
I BLEED TEXANS!
The updates from KFFL:
First w/ the Texans -
Texans | Team could land Moulds by Tuesday
Mon, 3 Apr 2006 21:59:33 -0700
FOXSports.com reports the Houston Texans could land Buffalo Bills WR Eric Moulds by Tuesday, April 4. Mark Berman, of KRIV-TV, says Moulds arrived in Houston Monday, April 3, in anticipation of the Bills trading him to the Texans. Berman expects a deal to happen during the next 24 hours. Moulds is more than willing to join the Texans, saying, "It would be great. It's extremely important for all the guys to be here for the off-season conditioning (program). I would like to get with the team, get to know the new players if things go well. Hopefully we can get it done. Hopefully I can get started and just play football, what I have been doing the last 10 years."
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Then I found this, which is weird how they all of sudden show up in the Moulds sweepstakes....
49ers | Team showed interest in Moulds
Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:17:22 -0700
FOXSports.com reports the San Francisco 49ers showed interest in Buffalo Bills WR Eric Moulds, according to Moulds' personal adviser Greg Johnson.
First w/ the Texans -
Texans | Team could land Moulds by Tuesday
Mon, 3 Apr 2006 21:59:33 -0700
FOXSports.com reports the Houston Texans could land Buffalo Bills WR Eric Moulds by Tuesday, April 4. Mark Berman, of KRIV-TV, says Moulds arrived in Houston Monday, April 3, in anticipation of the Bills trading him to the Texans. Berman expects a deal to happen during the next 24 hours. Moulds is more than willing to join the Texans, saying, "It would be great. It's extremely important for all the guys to be here for the off-season conditioning (program). I would like to get with the team, get to know the new players if things go well. Hopefully we can get it done. Hopefully I can get started and just play football, what I have been doing the last 10 years."
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Then I found this, which is weird how they all of sudden show up in the Moulds sweepstakes....
49ers | Team showed interest in Moulds
Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:17:22 -0700
FOXSports.com reports the San Francisco 49ers showed interest in Buffalo Bills WR Eric Moulds, according to Moulds' personal adviser Greg Johnson.
ensign_lee
Rookie
Texans34Life said:
awww....nuts....
jacquescas
Veteran
just when you thought it was safe to go in the water.
Goatcheese
Texan
Texans34Life said:
I wouldn't worry about this. Johnson has said the Pats, Eagles and umpteen other teams are interested in Moulds, but none have done anything about it. Besides if Moulds didn't like the QB situation in Buffalo he's not going to go compete for Alex Smith's 1 TD per season.
GhostRaider2006
Waterboy
Texans34Life said:
Being this is in the past tense I would suspect that they were one of the supposed many teams that were in the hunt last week that dropped out.
GhostRaider2006
Waterboy
Texans34Life said:
Here is the article from which this kffl.com blurb was based on:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5470668
Texans34Life
I BLEED TEXANS!
Didn't see this Chron article in the thread. It seems like if we don't give our 4th round pick to the Bills, the Bills will cut Moulds or someone else will grab him up.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3768911.html
Trade for Moulds hits minor hitch
Bills haggling with Texans over compensation
By MEGAN MANFULL
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle
Talks continued Monday between the Texans and Buffalo Bills over wide receiver Eric Moulds, who is in town to meet with Texans officials and take a physical.
Last week, Moulds, 32, agreed to a $14 million four-year contract with the Texans, which included a $5 million signing bonus. But because Moulds is under contract for two more years with the Bills, the Texans must give compensation to the Bills to make the trade complete.
Negotiations between Texans general manager Charley Casserly and Bills general manager Marv Levy continued Monday. The Bills are asking for a fourth-round pick in the April draft; the Texans are offering a fifth-round pick.
If the Bills don't accept the Texans' offer, they risk losing Moulds for nothing. They have failed in their attempts to restructure Moulds' contract, and they have made it clear to Moulds that they will not pay the base salary of $7.1 million that he's due next season.
If the Bills cut Moulds, they receive no compensation.
Moulds, 6-2 and 210 pounds, spent the past 10 seasons in Buffalo. The three-time Pro Bowler has accumulated more than 1,000 receiving yards in four seasons, most recently in 2004. If he joins the Texans, he will start opposite Andre Johnson.
Also Monday, the Texans denied they are pursuing a deal to land receiver Jerome Pathon. But the team is showing interest in linebacker Wali Rainer.
The eight-year veteran spent the past three seasons with the Detroit Lions.
Rainer 6-2 and 240, also has played with the Cleveland Browns and Jacksonville Jaguars.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3768911.html
Trade for Moulds hits minor hitch
Bills haggling with Texans over compensation
By MEGAN MANFULL
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle
Talks continued Monday between the Texans and Buffalo Bills over wide receiver Eric Moulds, who is in town to meet with Texans officials and take a physical.
Last week, Moulds, 32, agreed to a $14 million four-year contract with the Texans, which included a $5 million signing bonus. But because Moulds is under contract for two more years with the Bills, the Texans must give compensation to the Bills to make the trade complete.
Negotiations between Texans general manager Charley Casserly and Bills general manager Marv Levy continued Monday. The Bills are asking for a fourth-round pick in the April draft; the Texans are offering a fifth-round pick.
If the Bills don't accept the Texans' offer, they risk losing Moulds for nothing. They have failed in their attempts to restructure Moulds' contract, and they have made it clear to Moulds that they will not pay the base salary of $7.1 million that he's due next season.
If the Bills cut Moulds, they receive no compensation.
Moulds, 6-2 and 210 pounds, spent the past 10 seasons in Buffalo. The three-time Pro Bowler has accumulated more than 1,000 receiving yards in four seasons, most recently in 2004. If he joins the Texans, he will start opposite Andre Johnson.
Also Monday, the Texans denied they are pursuing a deal to land receiver Jerome Pathon. But the team is showing interest in linebacker Wali Rainer.
The eight-year veteran spent the past three seasons with the Detroit Lions.
Rainer 6-2 and 240, also has played with the Cleveland Browns and Jacksonville Jaguars.
The Preacher
Waterboy
I really hope we don't cave on this one. I really can't see the Bills nicking the 5th for nothing in return. If someone wanted to offer a higher pick they would have done so by now. If they realize Moulds isn't the burner he once was this will happen sooner rather than later. Not that he can't play at a high level a few more years but the first pick of the second day is a valuable one. If we can get guys like DD and Mathis why risk losing a pick that is usually CC's strong suit. 
I am sure there will also be some talented interior linemen and a sleeper receiver or two available that we could develop into guys who could play for the next decade.
I am sure there will also be some talented interior linemen and a sleeper receiver or two available that we could develop into guys who could play for the next decade.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
The Preacher said:I really hope we don't cave on this one. I really can't see the Bills nicking the 5th for nothing in return. If someone wanted to offer a higher pick they would have done so by now. If they realize Moulds isn't the burner he once was this will happen sooner rather than later. Not that he can't play at a high level a few more years but the first pick of the second day is a valuable one. If we can get guys like DD and Mathis why risk losing a pick that is usually CC's strong suit.
keeping a hard line on Moulds would be a refreshing change to the panicking with the buchanan deal last year or the Babin deal two years ago. Just when I start warming up to Casserly, he's going to leave us. Hopefully, Kubiak will have a lot of say in who will replace him.
Well said Dale. If Moulds were 5 years younger maybe, but this guy is gonna be 33 before the regular season starts for 2006 so he's gonna give us a year or 2 probably. Anything beyond that is IMO unexpected.dalemurphy said:
And look at some of the talent we've got with our 4th round picks so far - D. Davis and Mathis.
The Preacher
Waterboy
dalemurphy said:keeping a hard line on Moulds would be a refreshing change to the panicking with the buchanan deal last year or the Babin deal two years ago. Just when I start warming up to Casserly, he's going to leave us. Hopefully, Kubiak will have a lot of say in who will replace him.[/QUOTE
From the looks of things it looks like Kubiak is bringing in whomever he feels fits his system. Clearly he is calling the shots and I'm sure if a new GM comes in then his basic job will be negotiating and writing up contracts and possibly one who scouts defensive players well. I don't know much about all the administrative stuff but most likely they can find a good checks and balances kind of guy in which no power struggle will occur. Obviously Kubiak is more confident in what he can do with an offense so the D is a big question mark right now. First things first fix the O and hopefully find somebody if they haven't already to build a championship defense.
Unfortunately for CC his rise and fall in the football world has depended a lot on the coaches he had in place (and Bobby Beathard). Naturally he's starting to look like a genius as the moves so far this offseason look impressive. I guess we have to wait and see how it plays out but if Kubiak does well CC will get some credit for that. He certainly has learned a lot in the last few years so it may be a big loss at this point despite all the questionable moves. And oh yeah, holding firm to the 5th could be CC's last stand. Hang in there!
Bearfan Blue and Orange
Waterboy
TexanSam said:
At WR no, but at another position necessary to continue building? You can draft a starter to fill a needed role on Defense with that 4th pick.
He probably is worth giving a Midround or later 4th round pick. Not the Top pick of the 4th round. that is where many teams get their playmakers between the 3-5 rounders that can make an impact right away.
Are we going to get a WR of his calibur with the 4th round.... Let's see if there is any WR out there in the 3rd round that is nearing the end of his career, an 11 year vet, a top 20 WR in the NFL... Probably not as they DO NOT EXIST until they play the game.
I say they should stick to their guns with the first pick of the 5th round. Hell we are nto only giving them that but basically giving them money to sign their 1st round draft pick as well with the cap relief we are giving them.
Bearfan Blue and Orange
Waterboy
Runner said:
In this case there is a HUGE difference between a 3rd and 4th pick
jacquescas
Veteran
i think its the difference between a 4th and a 5th to be technically correct
Bearfan Blue and Orange
Waterboy
jacquescas said:
I know, but I had to make a point to his point.
Let's just give them Bush and they give us Moulds and the rest of their picks this year. it ahs been done before... Remember Ricky Williams.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
i'd rather have reggie bush than moulds.
IroquoisJoe
Practice Squad
I'd rather have a T Owens that had the Character Qualities of Moulds.PowerfulDragon said:
I'd rather have pie and ice cream instead of TO the way he is, plus Reggie Bush.
The Preacher said:dalemurphy said:keeping a hard line on Moulds would be a refreshing change to the panicking with the buchanan deal last year or the Babin deal two years ago. Just when I start warming up to Casserly, he's going to leave us. Hopefully, Kubiak will have a lot of say in who will replace him.[/QUOTE
From the looks of things it looks like Kubiak is bringing in whomever he feels fits his system. Clearly he is calling the shots and I'm sure if a new GM comes in then his basic job will be negotiating and writing up contracts and possibly one who scouts defensive players well. I don't know much about all the administrative stuff but most likely they can find a good checks and balances kind of guy in which no power struggle will occur. Obviously Kubiak is more confident in what he can do with an offense so the D is a big question mark right now. First things first fix the O and hopefully find somebody if they haven't already to build a championship defense.
Unfortunately for CC his rise and fall in the football world has depended a lot on the coaches he had in place (and Bobby Beathard). Naturally he's starting to look like a genius as the moves so far this offseason look impressive. I guess we have to wait and see how it plays out but if Kubiak does well CC will get some credit for that. He certainly has learned a lot in the last few years so it may be a big loss at this point despite all the questionable moves. And oh yeah, holding firm to the 5th could be CC's last stand. Hang in there!
Well, getting the players a coach wants isn't necessarily easy. Sure, the GM in this role is not the grandmaster with the great football vision but he is by no means taking on an easy task.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I hope they can get away with the a 5th, the 1st pick in the fourth round carries a little extra vaule.
The fourth pick, is also the first pick of hte second day; and say there is a guy somebody is jonesing for, after the spent the night between day 1 and 2 re-evaulating players. We could then trade down form teh 1st pick in the fourth, and pick up some extra day 2 picks.
Is anybody we draft on Day 2 going to be effective as Moulds, hell no. Is it maybe a reason why Cass isn't so quick to give up the fourth...maybe.
The fourth pick, is also the first pick of hte second day; and say there is a guy somebody is jonesing for, after the spent the night between day 1 and 2 re-evaulating players. We could then trade down form teh 1st pick in the fourth, and pick up some extra day 2 picks.
Is anybody we draft on Day 2 going to be effective as Moulds, hell no. Is it maybe a reason why Cass isn't so quick to give up the fourth...maybe.
jacquescas
Veteran
also there is no other team in the bidding. from the bills perspective they dont take the 5th they get nothing.
DRAMA
Rookie
If you can give a team a 4th and GUARANTEE that you get a WR that avg's 75/1000+ to start for you for the next 3 years?
Guess what? You do it! You don't gamble that. We need a starting #2 and now we have a chance to get one for a 4th? Give it to them. You may get a WR that one day will be better than Moulds but most likely will not be for the next few years.
Guarantee yourself a starting #2 WR - give up the 4th! When the season starts, we'll enjoy watching Moulds play so much, we will not care about some project player that we could've drafted that's now on the Bills developmental Squad.
We're just posturing - it's poker. If they call our bluff, we'll give them the 4th.
Guess what? You do it! You don't gamble that. We need a starting #2 and now we have a chance to get one for a 4th? Give it to them. You may get a WR that one day will be better than Moulds but most likely will not be for the next few years.
Guarantee yourself a starting #2 WR - give up the 4th! When the season starts, we'll enjoy watching Moulds play so much, we will not care about some project player that we could've drafted that's now on the Bills developmental Squad.
We're just posturing - it's poker. If they call our bluff, we'll give them the 4th.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
Personally I am suprised we are holding out as long as we have without caving in to their demands. Didn't we give up a 2nd round pick last year for PBuc? (That might have already been posted, but I didn't feel like looking through 200 pages of posts on this topic!) I see them trying to hold out as long as they can and then taking the fifth round pick...as eveyone has stated before, they have to take it or nothing unless someone comes out of the blue and picks him up for what we won't give them.
The Preacher
Waterboy
Cjeremy635 said:
It would be great to watch Moulds along with the silly talent we're already in the process of gathering. The thing is we are likely a couple of years away from having a championship run. At that point Moulds will be closer to forty than thirty. Is it worth losing what possibly could be a major role player in the future for a guy who at best will be a very short term solution in which our chances of going deep into the playoffs are fairly slim? I personally wouldn't be terribly upset if this fell through and I surely wouldn't budge from our current position. Moulds may be a physical wonder who plays until he is forty but even Jerry Rice's production went way down after age 36 or so. I'm sure I sound like a prude but I am just trying to look at the more distant future. Boring but I would rather risk it on a developmental player if that is what it comes down to. The Colts and Hawks couldn't even get a late second for their stud RB's last year and the Bills think their WR who is five years older is worth a pick about 35 picks lower. I don't think so.
Johnny Utah
Rookie
The Texans can't give up a 4th rounder because that's Casserly's best round besides the 1st round.
2005 - Jerome Mathis
2004 - Glenn Earl
2003 - Domanick Davis
2002 - Jonathen Wells
If they can't get Buffalo to take our 5th maybe the Texans should look at giving them our 3rd. Anything but our 4th round picks.
2005 - Jerome Mathis
2004 - Glenn Earl
2003 - Domanick Davis
2002 - Jonathen Wells
If they can't get Buffalo to take our 5th maybe the Texans should look at giving them our 3rd. Anything but our 4th round picks.
Texizgreat
Waterboy
shoot just give the the 5th and both 7ths .... jus t get it done
the wonger need food
All Pro
I can't believe that people are questioning this move. He is the first guaranteed (for the most part) Hall of Famer to consider playing for this organization. If he plays another 5-7 years here and gets some playoff wins he could possibly go in as a Texan.
Iroquois Joe
Practice Squad
the wonger need food said:
Hall of Famer is a bit of a reach at this point. If he had consistancy behind centre in Buffalo his years there, he'd be a likely candidate.
If he has 4 good years and the Texans go deep into the playoffs or even to the SB with him being a factor, he'll be on the list, but he's not a shoe-in now.