playoff year please
Waterboy
Mark my words. Well I did say we were going at least 9-7 last year.
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billsfan1111
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OK i am a bills fan just here to tell you we are 9 mill under the cap with moulds 10 mill cap hit so no we are not going to release him, it will be trade or he stays in buffalo it is as simple as that. Trust me we all want him gone here in buff well most of us and you want him but just like last year when no one said we could get a 3rd for Travis henry and we did we will get atleast a third or nothing. Moulds will sit the bench not play what ever but keep in mind we get all that money back if he does then and we save the whole 10 mill so buffalo is in a win win situation right now. Moulds can not nor will not force us to make a move it will be the bills doing[[Gary Kubiak]] said:The gaule of the BIll to ask for a third pick!! I idoits!
Let him lose as a FA and he will sign with us.
Billsfan,i mean, if he's not gonna play and sit on ur team, might as well take a 5th rounder.
i don't understand the "3rd or nothing" terminology. It's not like Eric Moulds will be going to a "Contender". If he was going to the Patriot or Dolphins i would ask for a 3rd, But he's going to a team that finished 2-14 last year.
Bills will stall and try to get what they can, but at the end of the day, it's only simple logic to get that 5th rounder or 4th rounder.
i don't understand the "3rd or nothing" terminology. It's not like Eric Moulds will be going to a "Contender". If he was going to the Patriot or Dolphins i would ask for a 3rd, But he's going to a team that finished 2-14 last year.
Bills will stall and try to get what they can, but at the end of the day, it's only simple logic to get that 5th rounder or 4th rounder.
Bearfan Blue and Orange
Waterboy
tsip said:...think Texans will blow this? Eagles think they've got him--if sticking with a 5th loses him, spare the crying towels about 'woulda/shoulda' and go on.....
If a 5th loses him, HE WAS NEVER HERE ANYWAY.
done88
Waterboy
First of all the bills are 8+ mil under and he will count 10+ therefore 2 mil over. Second even if he sits and you do not cut or trade him you have to clear 2 mil in cap space. I can understand keeping him to prove a point but not when you have to cut other useful players. DOn't act like keeping Moulds is an option we all know it is not or management would not even be entertaing the trade.billsfan1111 said:
You guys are overthinking this. Either the Bills get a draft pick and out of paying his salary for next season or they don't. They have a team ready to take on Moulds and give up a pick. As much as they would love to get a 3rd rounder, they aren't going to force the issue to the point of jeopardizing the potential deal. A 4th or 5th is what they are going to end up with. Getting a pick and getting out of having to pay the salary for a guy who isn't with them anymore is their ultimate aim. Sure, they'd love to get a higher pick, who wouldn't? But they aren't going to blow this thing up. Relax.
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real
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80 Pages...Wow
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
What surprises me is Moulds was suppose to be in Houston today. So far there has been no such word about that happening. I would say so far that is a better indication of how things are going. Moulds, of course, would be a great addition. However, as some have said, if his true heart is in Philly, then by all means lets move on. That's not what the Texans and Kubiak are about. If he doesn't come here and get a feeling of what is happening and unwilling to even explore his options with Kubiak and Sherman, then let him go.
Again I would very much like to have Moulds, but I also want a happy camper whose heart and soul is in the game. The longer this plays out the less likely it is to happen.....
Again I would very much like to have Moulds, but I also want a happy camper whose heart and soul is in the game. The longer this plays out the less likely it is to happen.....
TexanFan881
All Pro
tsip said:...think Texans will blow this? Eagles think they've got him--if sticking with a 5th loses him, spare the crying towels about 'woulda/shoulda' and go on.....
The Eagles have been out of the running for awhile now they didn't even show much interest. The Bills probably just said they were offering a pick in the first place just so they can up the pick they want.
TexanFan881
All Pro
Ibar_Harry said:
His heart might be in Philly but his mom lives closer to Houston and he needs to get his priorities strait.
Roughnecks
Waterboy
billsfan1111 said:
Then keep his a** do not think you going to come on this MB and say give us a third or no deal we are only using him for 3 maybe 4 years not 6 or 7 so take your fourth round pick and keep your pie hole shut!!!
billsfan1111
Practice Squad
no no no your wrong with moulds 10 mill we are 9 mill under go look it up for yourself if we trade him we goto 14 mill under. Just trying to help you all get your facts straightdone88 said:
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
I posted earlier in this thread to watch out for Buffalo. Are they playing the Pace game. As one of the Buffalo posters said, they really don't have to cut him loose. There was a lot of negativism towards the center from GB, but it happened very quickly without much fanfare. He's happy and we are happy. We have passed on two WR's so far, so perhaps this will be the 3rd.
McNair and company seem to be going out and giving their best offer right away and if people are smart enough they take it. If not we seem to be moving on and I like that approach. Either you like us or you don't. We are not playing games and we don't expect the players to be playing games. We don't need to waste a lot of time with people who don't want to play here or who will even come and listen. Kubiak wants players who are committed to the team, if not no sense being here seems to be his motto.
McNair and company seem to be going out and giving their best offer right away and if people are smart enough they take it. If not we seem to be moving on and I like that approach. Either you like us or you don't. We are not playing games and we don't expect the players to be playing games. We don't need to waste a lot of time with people who don't want to play here or who will even come and listen. Kubiak wants players who are committed to the team, if not no sense being here seems to be his motto.
done88
Waterboy
The bills are 8.5 mil under if they cut or trade Moulds they will gain 5.5 mil. 8.5 mil + 5.5 mil = 14 mil under. The reason they will only gain 5.5 mil is because when they trade him his entire bonus is moved to the current year. If they do not cut or trade Moulds they will be over the cap.billsfan1111 said:no no no your wrong with moulds 10 mill we are 9 mill under go look it up for yourself if we trade him we goto 14 mill under. Just trying to help you all get your facts straight
TexanFan881
All Pro
billsfan1111 said:
If you keep Moulds he will make you regret it. You have Lee Evans, Josh Reed, and Roscoe Parrish and should be happy with a fourth round pick because you will still have a pretty good recieving core. I just think it's stupid that all of a sudden that we've negotiated a contract with Moulds and now the Bills want a pick about 35 picks earlier in the draft.
TexanFan881
All Pro
And why is everyone acting like we've lost Moulds?
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
TexanFan881 said:
So far he is a no show in HOUSTON.....
TexanFan881
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Ibar_Harry said:
So he's a little late. Everyone's got to stop being so negative. Just because we had the Pace deal last year and have had some free agents not sign with us this year doesn't mean that Moulds is not coming.
GhostRaider2006
Waterboy
billsfan1111 said:
You know it's really easy to say this when it isn't your money. LOL!!
TexanFan881
All Pro
bulldawgtexan said:
how are we being greedy, selfish, and stupid?
billsfan1111
Practice Squad
ok read what you just wrote........... 8.5 +5.5=14 mill you are correct so how does moulds eat up 14 mill cap ??? answer me that, how can a 10mill cap hit turn into a 16 mill swing (your saying 2 mill over ) but if we let him go to you we are 14 mill under man oh man you are not makeing sence i think the heat in houston is getting to you loldone88 said:
.... no matter what spin you put on it we are 9 mill under and if we cut or trades moulds we goto 14 mill under if he stays it is 9 he goes 14 it really isnt that hard to understand 
GhostRaider2006
Waterboy
I keep reading Moulds isn't in Houston. Do we know this for a fact or are we just guessing this right now because we havn't heard anything on the radio yet which I don't expect we will hear anything unless there is an annocement of the trade being completed because of the start of MLB season tonight and the Astros first game. MLB is going to dominate the radio today so I would aim at tonights news for any updates on Moulds because baseball is going to priority number one today in sports news.
TexanFan881
All Pro
GhostRaider2006 said:
Nobody has mentioned anything about it yet. I think if he wasn't coming we would've heard something by now.
ensign_lee
Rookie
billsfan1111 said:ok read what you just wrote........... 8.5 +5.5=14 mill you are correct so how does moulds eat up 14 mill cap ??? answer me that, how can a 10mill cap hit turn into a 16 mill swing (your saying 2 mill over ) but if we let him go to you we are 14 mill under man oh man you are not makeing sence i think the heat in houston is getting to you lol
Ok. So there are two scenarios here:
1) You keep Moulds and don't let him play. This costs you $10 million dollars and puts you $2 million OVER the cap.
2) You cut/trade Moulds. That will relieve you of the $7.1 million in unguaranteed money that you would have to pay him to play for the Bills. That makes it so that you are $5 million under the cap.
At no point does Moulds SAVE you $10 million. It is $7.1 million in unguaranteed money + $3 million in guaranteed money THIS YEAR that you were supposed to have paid him this year.
And this is BEFORE the $2 million in guaranteed money for NEXT YEAR that will accelerate to THIS YEAR'S cap should you cut him.
So actually, if you cut/trade Moulds, that will mean that you are still paying him a guaranteed $5 million, which puts you $3 million under the cap.
Once again, at no point does trading Moulds SAVE you $10 million. This is what happens with contracts that consist of money that is guaranteed.
TexanFan881
All Pro
I'm going to say by the time NFL access is over we will know what is going on, wheter it's from the show or news on the internet. Hopefully we just decided to wait until the trade is a done deal to bring him over here. 
billsfan1111
Practice Squad
lol at no point are we over at all right now WITH MOULDS LOL man why is it so hard for you to understand lol ?????? BUFFALO is 9 mill under with moulds we DONT HAVE TO CUT NOR TRADE WE ARE UNDER 9 MILL oh ya did i mention that we are 9 mill under the cap please go look for yourself lol better yet let me get you a link and maybe call your local school for some math tutering your going to need it lol................ensign_lee said:
here is your link last update march 9th 2006 http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp
with moulds we were 13.5 mill under we made some moves and added players now we are 9 mil under, the link speaks for itself
TexanFan881
All Pro
billsfan1111 said:
if you guys are 3 mil over than the redskins must be 10 mil over.
ensign_lee
Rookie
billsfan1111 said:
You are currently under the cap because you have not yet paid Moulds. Once you do, you will be OVER the cap.
billsfan1111
Practice Squad
yes that is our cap with all players intact this comeing year but this is the last time i will respond to this because it is going no where with you, just admit your wrong and houston nor buffalo holds any cards all i was saying and proved my point is we dont have to trade or cut moulds untill our GM gets what he feels he is worth. I mean thank god we are not all GMS because i wouldnt let moulds for your first this year, i know he is old and all but he easly has 3 years left in him for 80-100 catches a year and here in buff we are going to miss that big timeensign_lee said:
TexanFan881
All Pro
billsfan1111 said:
so now your admiting that you were wrong about the cap or what? that's great, you just stated what we've all been talking about.
the wonger need food
All Pro
billsfan1111 said:
How much over the cap will you guys be when you trade/cut Losman?
billsfan1111
Practice Squad
HUH :brickwall r u kidding me i said with all our players right now under contract we are 9 mill under and no i wasnt wrong do you guys there in houston have a prob reading lol man oh manTexanFan881 said:
Goatcheese
Texan
TexanFan881 said:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9344736
Pat Kirwan Nfl.com said:
The Bills reasoning isn't completely absurd based on this article. I think the Texans went into this expecting to give up our 4th, and when nobody else was interested we lowered our bid to a 5th. Now the Bills are trying to bump it back up to our 4th.
If I'm the Texans I stand pat, because nobody else is offering more.
billsfan1111
Practice Squad
nothing more than some good football convo is all i am a bills fan through and through went through 4 superbowls losses (man that sucked) i would just like to see something construtive outa this is all and have fun with it as i goHervoyel said:
Bearfan Blue and Orange
Waterboy
Goatcheese said:
AGREEE 100%....
Philly Supposed offerred a 6th round. We are offering a 5th round, which is the FIRST pick of the 5th round so it may as well be a late 4th round.
Buffalo is not going to get a 4th rounder not a 4th rounder this year of the Texans
Porky
Hall of Fame
Ibar_Harry said:
Relax dude. He is here in Houston at the Texan's offices as we speak. I know you were expecting a phone call upon his arrival, but somehow CC's rolodex was tampered with, and your contact info was removed. This deal is on track, and if it doesn't happen today, it will soon. Everyone needs to relax, exhale, and take a deep breath. Everything is fine, and Moulds will be a Texan very soon.
Texans34Life
I BLEED TEXANS!
Hey Porky, you work for the Texans?
WIDERIGHTXXV
Practice Squad
ensign_lee said:
Wrong, Moulds is on our cap number right now. With him, right now, we are 9 million under the cap. If Moulds is released OR traded it will save us (Buffalo) about 5 million dollars, bringing us to a grand total of 14 million under the cap. There is no way Buffalo will release him THIS year, he still has too much value. Other teams were looking until it appeared that the Texans had him locked up ......which in my opinion, they do.
Buffalo will hold on to him, if nothing works out with Houston, and wait to see if there is an injury in the preseason, and then maximize his value. Is this likely? No, there is no question in my mind that Marv wants a pick this year, and doesn't feel like waiting around. So don't worry, he will be a Houston Texan sooner or later.
Local papers have reported today that Houston is offering the 4th (98) overall, but Buffalo wants one of thier 3rds. Marv is reaching at this point, because Emo doesn't want to play here, and has made it very public that he'll never wear a Bills uni again. I believe him, and so should Marv and the rest of the Bills brain-trust. Get the 4th, and walk away.
Yeah, I'm a Bills fan, but I will say that Moulds is a MUCH better player than you think he is. This guy did everything for us, with almost zero help around him. He's gone through so many different Quaterbacks, coaches, and offensive systems. Moulds restructured his contract more than once to help the team, and what did they do for him....nothing. I don't blame him for wanting a fresh start near his home, on a team that has all the makings of a true contender if just a few things get cleaned up. Andre Johnson, D. Davis, Reggie Bush, and Eric Moulds....not a bad core at all.
Good luck with Emo, he'll show that a fourth rounder was a very small price to pay for a guy that comes to play, hard, on every play.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
You know what? I'm really wanting to get this guy for a 5 but in all honesty I wouldn't just come unglued if it costs a 4. I'd call a draft with the first overall pick + three other first day picks + Eric Moulds a good draft. Assuming of course those three picks were used wisely.
Of course I'd like to keep the 4 and give you guys a 5 but then if the shoe was on the other foot you would feel the same way.
Of course I want free pie and chips. It's pie, with chips, for free.
Of course I'd like to keep the 4 and give you guys a 5 but then if the shoe was on the other foot you would feel the same way.
Of course I want free pie and chips. It's pie, with chips, for free.
I wont be bothered by giving up a 4th. Moulds has a couple of seasons left in him..and he is an immediate solution to our long time problems with the #2 receiver. He will free up AJ and allow him to take his game to the next level. In the meantime we can be grooming Mathis and Walter.
Give em the fourth if thats what it takes..and be happy to do it.
Give em the fourth if thats what it takes..and be happy to do it.
Sportsfan
Rookie
Porky said:Relax dude. He is here in Houston at the Texan's offices as we speak. This deal is on track, and if it doesn't happen today, it will soon. Everyone needs to relax, exhale, and take a deep breath. Everything is fine, and Moulds will be a Texan very soon.
And you know this how, Porky?
Hey mods, by the way, does this thread set a new record? 1600+ posts in one week!!
billsfan1111
Practice Squad
i agree with you 4th and done everyone is happy i mean it isnt like the 4th is a high second or low firstGrid said:
the wonger need food
All Pro
Someone from 790 had a short interview with Moulds. He's been in town for a little while.