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Moulds Trade Official

I remember when Capers and Co. started building the team in yr 1, they wanted to build through the draft and not go after high priced FA's,tryng not to make the same mistakes with the Panthers ( spending too much on Fa's thus becoming a flash in the pan, then being unable to aquire quality replacments due to cap issues). However, they did bring in veterans on D. Most agreed this was a good approach.

Now that Kubiak is going after expierenced FA's as oppose to building through the draft fans are whining about money and age. As I recall, the Texans D in the 1st yr was pretty good. However, with injuries to Walker,Pane,Wong and the loss of a few to FA's, it didnt last long. Perhaps it is because of Capers approach the Texans have the opportunity this year to get expierenced FA's to fill critical positions. Not all vets get injured, not all highly touted draft picks make it in the NFL. And not all off seasons have the huge amout of availabe FA's as we have had this year. We dumped Glenn to aquire Pbuk to get younger....id say that was a bust.

The advantage of bringing in a proven product in FA out weighs the potential of a College player. Even considering that the FA gets more money than a rookie, McNair is the type of owner that considers payroll last as long as he is not straped by the cap. McNair wants to win now, so do the fans. Also, rookies like Bush and Young will get phat contracts right from the start, having never played a down in the NFL (risk?) Spending the same or less on a proven FA with injury potential (risk?). Bottome line, nobody in football or any other profession can make a sure thing decision bringing in personel, old or new.

It really boils down to the coaching staff getting the most out of each players strengths, gettng the players to trust the system, and a decent bench to overcome injuries. Im not so sure Capers was able to do the 1st two, but debth is going to be a problem with any expansion team.

I would like to make another point that many will not agree with. If you break down all the sacks Carr has taken, most were a result of FB's, HB's, WR's and QB's not getting their jobs done in blitz situations. The Texans are not the only team that gets blitzed a lot. Remember the loss to the Bills with Loseman? Everytime we blitzed him ( getting penetration ) he threw the ball away, scrambled, or the HB,FB picked it up. I think this is why Kubiak got Cook, it is also why Capers likes big HB's.

As for this years opponents....are ANY of the teams really the same? Lots of changes league wide in this offseaon.

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Get 'er done CC!

If PHI only offerred a 6th, practically speaking our 6th pick at top of the round would be much better. I'm hoping this is closed w/ a 5th or 6th pick this year and another if needed next year (5th or 6th). I don't want us to give a 4th or even swap positions in the 4th.

Maybe that's greedy, but the first pick on second day offers a lot of options for trades or obtaining a player that slipped.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I hope next year's play book does not drown us in a sea of retardedness like the last four years.
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Kubiak can design an offense that can get a receiver open. The previous guys couldn't.

For those that can't get excited about what's happening with this team, there's this little Steel Blue pill...

P.S. Sorry about Jasper. I lost a 12 year-old Lab 3 years ago, and it still hurts.
 
Lucky said:
Kubiak can design an offense that can get a receiver open. The previous guys couldn't.

For those that can't get excited about what's happening with this team, there's this little Steel Blue pill...

P.S. Sorry about Jasper. I lost a 12 year-old Lab 3 years ago, and it still hurts.
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Same here, but we put one down 26 years old. The vet could not believe it. He was a dog from the streets, but he was a peach of a dog. The become such a big part of the household. God bless them all.
 
DHBILLSFAN said:
The Bills do not have to trade or release him. He still under contract for 2 more years and even though the Bills dont want to pay him the 7+ million this season, we are around 7-8 million under the cap with his contract atm.

Later....
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Although I agree that the BIlls are not without leverage. Moulds will count 10 mil against their cap this year not 7. HIs salary is 7.1 and with his bonus he will count 10. If he is treaded or released he will count 5.5 mil. That is why they are going to trade or release him. If they do not they will have to clear 2+ mill in cap space to keep him. This is why they asked him to restructure.They will fight for and probable get the 4 but that is because they will say if not we will release him and see how you can compare on the open market. If teams don't have to give up a pick for him there will be a lot more demand.
 
i'd take that risk. i think most teams have moved on from Moulds and he already agreed to a contract, it would be tough for someone to beat that right now.
 
Moulds is a Texan.....i wish that was the title to this thread....Houston will give up the 4th if they have to....although i don't think they will need to....probably like everyone said....a 4th swap and our 5th....or maybe our 4th for moulds and their 5th. some combination like that.
 
Today could be the day to party and start talkin playoffs, if we get Moulds.
I won't be able to do any work until i hear something on this today, So please keep posting if anyone hears anything about this.
GO TEXANS.:redtowel:
 
texansfan1974 said:
Today could be the day to party and start talkin playoffs, if we get Moulds.
I won't be able to do any work until i hear something on this today, So please keep posting if anyone hears anything about this.
GO TEXANS.:redtowel:
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Hey there texansfan1974, I like your avatar. Which age group is that? I coach right down the road from you in Pasadena ... Been w/ TIFI for 13 rs now.
Rest assured, this WILL happen today pending his physical. By tonight he'll be a Texan. I'll be holding a vigil with my cell phone propped against my tool box all day today til I get the news. I got ESPN bottomline on my phone too.
 
CoachJim said:
Hey there texansfan1974, I like your avatar. Which age group is that? I coach right down the road from you in Pasadena ... Been w/ TIFI for 13 rs now.
Rest assured, this WILL happen today pending his physical. By tonight he'll be a Texan. I'll be holding a vigil with my cell phone propped against my tool box all day today til I get the news. I got ESPN bottomline on my phone too.
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Thank you coach the age group is sophmore. You said your coaching freshman this year. My younger son is going to freshman this year. Guess we will see you out there. Good luck on the season.
 
Texans_Chick said:
A Phili radio station reported that the Texans and Moulds had came up with a deal. Some called BS. Then it started to be confirmed by other sources but that the Texans and Bills were just working out draft picks to go along with the trade--rumor has it that it is between 4-5th. Some people think we are being OPaced in the deal. Lots of people have a hard time posting relevant things in a thread. Various discussions of whether Moulds has enough gas left in the tank and what good value would be for him in the new free agent market. There was a statistical analysis article about how Moulds might not get separation going deep. Eagle fans pick out strange avatars. Is he a #1 or a #2--who cares that is irrevelant. The Chronic reported that there is basically a deal and that Moulds is coming to Houston on Monday. The deal in priniciple is for the Texans to pay Moulds $14 million over four years in a deal that includes a $5 million signing bonus.The Texans staff is at USC for the weekend so we aren't gonna hear anything until Monday prolly. EM's mommy wants to tailgate in her RV with us. (She will find that Texas BBQ is less sugary than Mississippi BBQ). Bills fans will miss Moulds but not at 7 mil a year. Various thread paddings and an April Fools joke. Will EM reduce double teaming on AJ--nah AJ didn't receive much double teams but he will open things up and actually catch balls thrown to him. Boy, them Eagles fans are steamed. Wish it were a done deal--this makes me nervous.
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And people talking about kid football. And the Bills lack of leverage. And complaining about OT threads.

So in sum for those checking the MB Monday morning: Reports are that an agreement in principle has been worked out with Eric Moulds. That he is going to visit Houston today. That it was delayed until today because the Texans staff was going to be at the USC proday. Negotiations are still going on with the Bills to determine draft compensation--reportedly it is between a 4th or 5th round pick.

If you have something specific to an update on that, please post it because I would love to read it.
 
Texans_Chick said:
And people talking about kid football. And the Bills lack of leverage. And complaining about OT threads.

So in sum for those checking the MB Monday morning: Reports are that an agreement in principle has been worked out with Eric Moulds. That he is going to visit Houston today. That it was delayed until today because the Texans staff was going to be at the USC proday. Negotiations are still going on with the Bills to determine draft compensation--reportedly it is between a 4th or 5th round pick.

If you have something specific to an update on that, please post it because I would love to read it.
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Thanks for the update and getting this thread back on track...:thumbup
 
Can we expect an afternoon press conference today w/Moulds? Or will it be tomorrow morning if he arrives in H-town later today?...
 
i wouldn't expect a press conference today. If they have one they usually give fair warning for the press to arrive.

I tihnk thehave something accounced in the next 24 hours and a formal introduction on wednesday.
 
4/3/06 Update

Now it looks like the Bills want a 3rd round pick!?!?!

http://www.democratandchronicle.com...AID=/20060403/SPORTS0101/604030334/-1/COLUMNS

The Buffalo Bills likely will have 10 picks in this month's NFL college draft: 8, 42, 70, 73, 105, 143, 178, 216 and 248. The 10th selection figures to come from Houston for wide receiver Eric Moulds. The Texans reportedly want to give up their fourth-round pick (98). The Bills would prefer one of Houston's two third-round picks (65 or 66). ...
 
Texans34Life said:
4/3/06 Update

Now it looks like the Bills want a 3rd round pick!?!?!

http://www.democratandchronicle.com...AID=/20060403/SPORTS0101/604030334/-1/COLUMNS

The Buffalo Bills likely will have 10 picks in this month's NFL college draft: 8, 42, 70, 73, 105, 143, 178, 216 and 248. The 10th selection figures to come from Houston for wide receiver Eric Moulds. The Texans reportedly want to give up their fourth-round pick (98). The Bills would prefer one of Houston's two third-round picks (65 or 66). ...
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Yeah right. I have a feeling this is a writer inserting his opinion into an article as a rumor because he is upset with what he is hearing will be compinsation ie: a fourth to fith round draft pick.
 
of course they would prefer it. the bills either get a 4th or 5th round pick or realease moulds and get nothing. at least that is what i am hearing.
 
Texans34Life said:
4/3/06 Update

Now it looks like the Bills want a 3rd round pick!?!?!

http://www.democratandchronicle.com...AID=/20060403/SPORTS0101/604030334/-1/COLUMNS

The Buffalo Bills likely will have 10 picks in this month's NFL college draft: 8, 42, 70, 73, 105, 143, 178, 216 and 248. The 10th selection figures to come from Houston for wide receiver Eric Moulds. The Texans reportedly want to give up their fourth-round pick (98). The Bills would prefer one of Houston's two third-round picks (65 or 66). ...
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I read the same thing in another place, if I can find it, I will post the link here too. and I agree with Hulk... First pick of the 3rd round are they HIGH???

He would be a great addition, but please I do not think he is needed that badly. Does every FOOTBALL fan (Not Texan Fan) know what you can do with your two third round picks (first and second pick of the 3rd round at that), come on now be real.
 
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Word this week was that Eric Moulds was headed to Houston, but that's not yet a done deal. In his heart, Moulds is hoping that the Eagles change their mind - which isn't likely to happen - and work out a deal with Buffalo to bring the veteran receiver to the City Of Brotherly Love.

Eric Moulds wanted the Eagles, but ultimately, the Eagles didn't want him. At least not for the kind of money he was asking for.

"Every time I mention Philadelphia, Eric's ears perk up," Greg Johnson, one of Moulds' agents, said last week. "He wants to go to Philadelphia. He really feels he could help them. He loves the idea of being an Eagle and playing with Donovan (McNabb)."

The Eagles said they had some interest in the 32-year-old wide receiver, but never acted on it, claiming his financial demands were out of whack. With Moulds apparently headed for the Houston Texans, the Eagles appear content to head into the 2006 season with a Terrell Owens-less wide-receiving corps that includes second-year man Reggie Brown, newcomer Jabar Gaffney, Todd Pinkston and Greg Lewis.
 
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Texans closing in on Moulds
<Apr. 3> The Texans should be able to wrap up a deal with the Bills for Moulds early this week. Houston has reached an agreement in principle with the Bills wide receiver on a four-year contract believed to be worth $14 million.

The Texans are expected to resume negotiations with Buffolo today. Houston, which was preoccupied with USC's pro day over the weekend, is believed to have offered a fifth-round choice in the 2006 draft as compensation for the 10-year veteran.

There were some other suitors for Moulds, but none were as aggressive as the Texans. And many of the franchises cited as having interest in Moulds, notably the Eagles, never got involved in substantive discussions.
 
texan279 Eric Moulds wanted the Eagles, but ultimately, the Eagles didn't want him. At least not for the kind of money he was asking for.

"Every time I mention Philadelphia, Eric's ears perk up," Greg Johnson, one of Moulds' agents, said last week. "He wants to go to Philadelphia. He really feels he could help them. He loves the idea of being an Eagle and playing with Donovan (McNabb)."
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This does not bode well for a happy camper. It could possibly even mess with some locker room chemistry. I'm getting an icky feeling about this.
 
Word this week was that Eric Moulds was headed to Houston, but that's not yet a done deal. In his heart, Moulds is hoping that the Eagles change their mind - which isn't likely to happen - and work out a deal with Buffalo to bring the veteran receiver to the City Of Brotherly Love.

Eric Moulds wanted the Eagles, but ultimately, the Eagles didn't want him. At least not for the kind of money he was asking for.

"Every time I mention Philadelphia, Eric's ears perk up," Greg Johnson, one of Moulds' agents, said last week. "He wants to go to Philadelphia. He really feels he could help them. He loves the idea of being an Eagle and playing with Donovan (McNabb)."

The Eagles said they had some interest in the 32-year-old wide receiver, but never acted on it, claiming his financial demands were out of whack. With Moulds apparently headed for the Houston Texans, the Eagles appear content to head into the 2006 season with a Terrell Owens-less wide-receiving corps that includes second-year man Reggie Brown, newcomer Jabar Gaffney, Todd Pinkston and Greg Lewis.
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Looks to me like the writer took a quote from Greg Johnson that was made awhile back and added it to his current column. That statement was made early in the process before the reported contractual agreement between the Texans' and Moulds.
 
first of all that story about him wanting to play for the eagles was released last week...we've heard that story and that was before we supposedly had a contract aggreement with moulds...he's in houston today...this democratic report about the bills wanting a 3rd rounder is simply the bills fans hoping for the best...we're offering our 5th rounder...i would guess another offer would to be to switch 4th rounders and throw them the 5th rounder in to sweeten the deal...com'on casserly let's get this thing done soon
 
keyfro said:
first of all that story about him wanting to play for the eagles was released last week...we've heard that story and that was before we supposedly had a contract aggreement with moulds...he's in houston today...this democratic report about the bills wanting a 3rd rounder is simply the bills fans hoping for the best...we're offering our 5th rounder...i would guess another offer would to be to switch 4th rounders and throw them the 5th rounder in to sweeten the deal...com'on casserly let's get this thing done soon
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The article I posted was from April 1...
 
Moulds doesn't want to be here. We are his fallback plan. So I don't want him. The Texans better not give up a 3rd for a turd. I had to edit this post. It was a bad reflection of my character. I know I shouldn't be upset with Moulds. It is the Texans that earned the 2-14 record. Maybe I should be more gracious at the invitation of anybody with talent that wants to join the Texans.
 
Bills want a 3rd. Texans are offering the 5th. Somehow I don't believe the negotiations are going to drag on that long.
 
rittenhouserobz said:
Moulds doesn't want to be here. We are his fallback plan. So I don't want him. The Texans better not give up a 3rd for a turd.
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What are you talking about? Moulds said he wanted to play with Donovan McNabb, but never said he didn't want to play here. More than anything Moulds wants to play with an established quarterback and somewhere thats willing to pay him the salary he deserves. He wouldn't be coming to visit today if he didn't want to play here
 
When would the Bills have to cut Moulds? I'd hate for this to drag out but there's no way I'd want our management to allow the Bills to leverage the publicity this deal has received. In other words, I'd hope nobody in the fanbase holds it against our management if this deal doesn't get done because the Bills take a hardline stance. This is kind of a precarious position to be in at this point. I'd personally stick to the 5th round and no higher. And they could eat sand if they don't want the pick.
 
because they won't pay the 7.1 mil that he is owed, and the number one WR position is most likely going to Lee Evans in Buffalo.
 
I think a 4th round pick will look a lot better than having to pay a player $7 mil+ not to play for you next season.

The trade should be finalized by Wednesday, at the latest.
 
rittenhouserobz said:
Moulds doesn't want to be here. We are his fallback plan. So I don't want him. The Texans better not give up a 3rd for a turd.
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We were a 2-14 team last year. So that really don't make Moulds a turd for not wanting to come here. Besides he must want to come here a little bit, because he coming. He will help us win and when we play the Eagles and the Bills he will make them cry for not trying harder too get him/keep him. On the other hand I don't want to give up a 3rd round pick either. I hope we can get him for a 4th or a 5th that would be great. That my :twocents:
 
Thanks aj. Seems like the Bills can monkey around with this up to draft day then. I haven't heard of many guys on the FA market right now as proven as Moulds.

By the way, why wouldn't this draft pick deal have been worked on in conjunction with working with Mould's agents? It just seems to give Buffalo too much leverage now knowing that our guys are chomping on the bit to close up a deal they just got in principal (but not in ink).
 
Caphorn said:
By the way, why wouldn't this draft pick deal have been worked on in conjunction with working with Mould's agents? It just seems to give Buffalo too much leverage now knowing that our guys are chomping on the bit to close up a deal they just got in principal (but not in ink).
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I'm sure they have been working on the trade with the Bills. It may already be worked out. We just don't know. Either way, the deal wasn't going to happen unless we could agree to terms with Moulds. That is the first step.

As for who has "leverage"...it works both ways. If we are the only team Moulds can get the contract he's looking for then the Bills don't have a lot of leverage at all. I'd say it's about equal if not a little more in our favor.

All speculation anyways and I'm sure we'll find out for sure fairly soon.
 
Exascor said:
As for who has "leverage"...it works both ways. If we are the only team Moulds can get the contract he's looking for then the Bills don't have a lot of leverage at all. I'd say it's about equal if not a little more in our favor.
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That sounds like we should be rooting for Bills management. If nobody else wants him at that price . . . uh . . .?????

I am assuming that others want him. Maybe teams who he doesn't have on his shortlist right now. But there's a published number and he and his agents can be working other teams (and should) while the Bills hold out. On the flip side, it's not like the Texans can find somebody like Moulds just sitting out there to put heat on Moulds or the Bills to do the deal. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that we'd be in the more compromised position here.
 
Caphorn said:
That sounds like we should be rooting for Bills management. If nobody else wants him at that price . . . uh . . .?????

I am assuming that others want him. Maybe teams who he doesn't have on his shortlist right now. But there's a published number and he and his agents can be working other teams (and should) while the Bills hold out. On the flip side, it's not like the Texans can find somebody like Moulds just sitting out there to put heat on Moulds or the Bills to do the deal. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that we'd be in the more compromised position here.
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At his age he is only a quick fix item, not a long term item. A 3rd for someone who does not have 10 years to go in the NFL if ignorant. I wouldnt pay it. 5th or no deal, period...
 
TEXANS84 said:
I'm sure we could get him for our 2nd or 3rd.
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hi all. I'm a bills fan, just wanted to come around and see what you guys were thinking of the moulds deal. I'm pretty sure that Buffalo's only requesting a 4th rounder for him, however, it would be wise to wait until he's released (If we do release him). It's clear that of the teams that want to trade for moulds, your team is his #1 priority, so you guys would get him either way. I'm not sure what Marv Levy is going to do though. There's a lot of mystery about the path he's taking in his first year as GM so far. We'll see i suppose. Good luck in getting moulds at a fair deal, and good luck this season.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
I don't mind giving the Bills a 4th, but I think that a 3rd is pushing it. Bills can't be greedy.
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I wouldn't mind giving up a 4th for him if we had a mid-round pick, but our 4th is the 1st pick of the 2nd day. IMHO, that is too high to give up. Our 5th would be about the same as a low 4th, so I would stick to that. If the Bills don't want to agree with the 5th, then screw 'em, and let them either keep Moulds or release him.
 
I would think that the Bills want a fourth and we won't give it to them so they are trying to play with us.

They think since we don't want to give them a 4th rounder they will say give me a third rounder and we'll go okay, you can have the 4th rounder.
 
I just wanted to extend the post number, but also wanted to throw something crazy in here as well

What if the Texans were to trade down with the Packers and give them the #1 pick. in return the Packers give Texans Javon Walker and a 3rd or 4th round pick as well...

HMMMMM
 
Bearfan Blue and Orange said:
I just wanted to extend the post number, but also wanted to throw something crazy in here as well

What if the Texans were to trade down with the Packers and give them the #1 pick. in return the Packers give Texans Javon Walker and a 3rd or 4th round pick as well...

HMMMMM
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A thousands time no.
 
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