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JaDeveon Clowney
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Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
We could've had Tom Brady.
Actually no we couldnt have. Team didnt exist that year.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I agree with your assessments and I'm not sure he likes the physicality of the game. He's a one trick pony. The way to play Clowney is rough him up in the beginning, then he plays soft.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
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phantom17
Rookie
I won't give up on the Clown yet, because I think it's just too early. I think they need to place him out for the season if he is still not 100%. Let him heal up & rehab for next year! Sigh. (tough to be a Houston sports Fan)! Then Uncle Bob needs to fire Rick Smith. The guy is just not a good GM!
I won't give up on the Clown yet, because I think it's just too early. I think they need to place him out for the season if he is still not 100%. Let him heal up & rehab for next year! Sigh. (tough to be a Houston sports Fan)! Then Uncle Bob needs to fire Rick Smith. The guy is just not a good GM!
If you were O'BRIEN & Rick gave you every thing you asked for; Mallett, Clowney, XSF, Fiedo, Blue, Nix, Dent, Bullough, Savage, John Simon, Big Grease.... would you fire him? Why?
phantom17
Rookie
I was just upset, nothing more TK! But something has to be done! Or, I could just think this city is just CURSED when it comes to Football! SIGH! Anyway, will get ready to root for my Texans again next week!
Not another "Rick doesn't pick the players" theory. If he doesn't have any responsibility for picking the players on the team, then he isn't doing his job and should be fired for that. Why pay him for doing nothing?
What does he tell McNair during his yearly review? Something like, "I know they were bad players, but Coach wanted them so I picked them. Can we talk about a raise"?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
"Would you like to buy some nudies of your wife, Boss?"
If I'm McNair I'd have done fired him for wasting my money. The last demerit was signing Jj to the richest contract for a defensive player ever. I'm sure that's where we would have ended up next season anyway. But this past off season it was about the leverage we had... makes no sense to offer such a deal if we're talking about Max dollars.
Rick better stop giving away money like it grows on trees at the same time he better bring back KJ & Andre & find a number that makes sense for Jjo. If I'm McNair & I have to step in one more time, then yeah... might as well be doing it myself.
Norg
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ANdre will be CUT/Traded to some black hole team in the NFC.. prob like the Bucs or were all WR's go to die Chicago
Jackon will think in his head im getting the Hell outta here I would rather take less money some where else then play here hes GOING HOLLYWOOD !!!!
and J joe is a non factor Now IMO
that's how I see this off season going down
Chuckle
Well, I will say that if we HAD taken Watkins, the whole, cut/trade AJ thought process would make a lot more sense.
That's where you're mistaken.
Everyone and anyone over on Kirby that will give you an answer when asked about the draft process from McNair to O'Brien to Smith all sing the same song.
It's a COLLABORATIVE PROCESS. They huddle up before the draft, evaluate their needs, get the reports from the scouting staff, put a "draft round grade" on the prospects that best meet the needs the coaches/coordinators have identified and use those evals to set up their draft board.
Why is it so hard to comprehend that a board room guy like McNair would do things by committee??
Why is it so hard to imagine that McNair was IN on the discussions where the draft board was being set up and therefore he already knows which coach wanted what player? ESPECIALLY the 1-1 pick. He knows. He was there. He blessed the pick just like he blessed the Mario pick.
If you went WR, I dunno why you'd take Watkins with Odell Beckam on the Board ?
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...dmits-injury-not-fully-behind-him/#28688101=0
adeveon Clowney’s rookie season has been a disappointment. The No. 1 overall pick acknowledged Sunday he isn’t playing up to his own expectations and is still testing the limitations of his body while recovering from knee surgery.
“Somewhat,” said Clowney, when asked if he’s playing at the level he wants to. “Some things are holding me back still but I’m just out here trying to do what I can do and have fun.”
Clowney was then asked if he is making an impact during games.
“Sometimes,” Clowney said. “I can only do my job, which is set the edge and get after the quarterback. Sometimes you get that and sometimes you don’t.”
Clowney was limited to three tackles, including one for loss, despite seeing his most significant action since Week 1. He was also called for a neutral-zone infraction that set up a Cincinnati field goal.
“It didn’t cost us anything but five yards and we still stopped them in that series and gave up three points,” Clowney said. “But they still got to use more time off the clock.”
Six months after the Texans made him No. 1, the former South Carolina star is still figuring out what he can do on the field and adjusting to new limitations.
“You never know if you’re going to have an injury or not coming into the league. So when that happened to me, it was a setback,” Clowney said. “I’m just trying to do everything I need to do to get back to where I need to be to help the team out.”
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Even if he's been hurt and less than 100%/limited, JD should make a play, do something more impressive than just 3 ordinary tackles in a whole game. Show us something JD !
So since it is a committee decision, the individual members of the committee have no responsibility for group decisions. Got it. That is easy to comprehend!
Does Rick just sit in the meeting and be a yes-man to Mcnair, or is he supposed to bring some expertise and input into the meeting? If it is the former he has a great job; if the latter I think it is fair talk about his competence.
I guess I still don't comprehend why the GM for the Texans doesn't have responsibility for the players on the team.
Texian
Hall of Fame
If we had taken Moncrief in the 3rd it would have made sense.
This is ridiculous & anyone thinking this way shoul...
It's his third game. Even the best defensive player in the league did not look like a game changer after three consecutive games playing over 90% of the snaps.
I was on the Clowney bandwagon from Day 1, so I take no joy in saying I'm a little disappointed in "my boy" and I want to see something for my money already. And no I'm not calling him a bust, but I want to see JD flash, just once or twice this year, like he did in preseason. And the comparison to Watts rookie year is apples and oranges because Watt came out of college practically unheralded compared to our "generational player/talent".
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The Texans offense hasn't been able to do much against the Bengals, but Houston isn't getting blown out by Cincinnati thanks to a pick-six by Johnathan Joseph.
During the third quarter, Joseph picked off Andy Dalton and took it 60-yards to the house for a score. The only problem is that the play probably shouldn't have counted because Jadeveon Clowney lined up offsides.
And we're not talking barely offsides, we're talking clearly offsides.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...-clowney-offsides-on-texans-pick-6-vs-bengals
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And here's something else on JD and yesterdays game: looks like he could have been a real goat if he's flagged and JJoes pick 6 is nullified. He was a lucky boy.
Pollardized
Division Champ
There were numerous times from my seat that he looked to be in the neutral zone. After one play as he walked off the field it looked like the official was telling him he was lining up wrong. Pre snap on that play my son and guy next to us both said Clowney was offsides.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
So since it is a committee decision, the individual members of the committee have no responsibility for group decisions. Got it. That is easy to comprehend!
Does Rick just sit in the meeting and be a yes-man to Mcnair, or is he supposed to bring some expertise and input into the meeting? If it is the former he has a great job; if the latter I think it is fair talk about his competence.
I guess I still don't comprehend why the GM for the Texans doesn't have responsibility for the players on the team.
It doesn't mean there is no responsibility. It means it is very difficult for those of us on the outside (who have no actual authority) to accurately assess where the responsibility lies.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
I've got nothing but love for the man who schooled us all on the pronunciation of his name rather than dazzling us with his play. I just figured it out. He's the ULTIMATE fantasy football fan. He's living out the fantasy of being a professional athlete. The only dif between him and other cats doing it is, he's taking up a valuable roster spot, cost an ACTUAL team a draft pic and millions of dollars and gets to watch games from the field....sometimes DURING plays! Must be nice.
nero THE zero
All Pro
I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion that you had to protest the Clowney pick in order to credibly criticize Smith.
First of all, it is not the fans' job to accurately assess talent. The fans aren't privy to the wealth of information that a GM is, nor are they the beneficiary of the 7 figure annual salary that the GM is.
Further, this isn't a criticism on Clowney alone; this is a criticism on the collective job Smith has done, over the course of 2 separate coaching regimes. You could have been the leader of the Clowney fan band and still recognize that Clowney's performance thus far, in addition to the other drafting blunders we have seen, especially over the course of the past 2 years, and credibly criticize Smith.
In fact, I'd go so far as to question the credibility of anyone not criticizing Smith at this point. His goose is cooked.
But, I agree. Watkins was my guy. Not only is he a supreme talent, he's a terrific scheme fit for this offense (what I'd give for that speed at this point...).
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Then do it in a thread about Smith or one about a player where he actually made a bad pick.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I supported the pick and still do. There were a few others (not QBs) I would've been coo with, but it is what it is.
Am I happy with him? Nope, I think he's got some learning to do. Maybe he'll be like Foster. Learn what it takes to be an NFL player and treat your body right. I think he needs to get stronger physically and mentally
I'll continue to hold out hope. We've already got him, so might as well hope for the best.
Am I happy with him? Nope, I think he's got some learning to do. Maybe he'll be like Foster. Learn what it takes to be an NFL player and treat your body right. I think he needs to get stronger physically and mentally
I'll continue to hold out hope. We've already got him, so might as well hope for the best.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Yup 3 games in, the guy sucks. Can't stay healthy. We should cut him and everyone else that isn't setting the league on fire and isn't healthy. That leaves us with who exactly?
We've given lower potential guys much more leash but this guy sucks already. Isn't making an impact at a position he's played 3 whole games at.
We've given lower potential guys much more leash but this guy sucks already. Isn't making an impact at a position he's played 3 whole games at.
Just to be clear...... I was not on board with the Clowney pick, though I was ok with it after the fact. My biggest issue was that he was billed as a generational athlete at the DE position, but barely top 5 as an OLB, where we were going to put him.
I suggested we draft Greg Robinson & play him on the right side. I suggested we draft Sammy Watkins, the best player in that draft. I suggested we trade down..... even at the expense of adequate value for the pick.
Still I think it's too early to be down on JD Clowney. Were we winning, I'm sure it would be a non issue. But we're not... so I understand, we need a goat.
I suggested we draft Greg Robinson & play him on the right side. I suggested we draft Sammy Watkins, the best player in that draft. I suggested we trade down..... even at the expense of adequate value for the pick.
Still I think it's too early to be down on JD Clowney. Were we winning, I'm sure it would be a non issue. But we're not... so I understand, we need a goat.
For the life of me I can't see Clowney being an out and out bust, he's too good, too talented, too gifted. He was the SEC defensive player of the year in 2012, and before you say so was Michael Sam, I would only remind you that Sam doesn't run sub 4.5 40s. In other words Clowney has been very productive and also has off the chart measurables. Clowney could have been transgender and still would have gone high in the first round.
But I didn't think he'd be some kind of "generational talent", just the best edge-rusher the Texans have had, a valuable compliment to JJ. And I still believe that. I believe ultimately he'll be atleast that.
So since it is a committee decision, the individual members of the committee have no responsibility for group decisions. Got it. That is easy to comprehend!
Does Rick just sit in the meeting and be a yes-man to Mcnair, or is he supposed to bring some expertise and input into the meeting? If it is the former he has a great job; if the latter I think it is fair talk about his competence.
I guess I still don't comprehend why the GM for the Texans doesn't have responsibility for the players on the team.
Like Cak said, we don't know Smith's responsibilities.
But we do know the definition of a yes man and Rick Smith is the true definition of a yes man. Sad thing is things will never change until the fanbase stops showing up at the stadium (Nrg name stinks) and stops buying Texans gear. But that will never happen, so expect more of the same. (Hey, McNair, are we still on the right track.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
He may be, but we really don't know. He may be suggesting all sorts of stuff and getting outvoted in the collaboration by McNair and OB, previously McNair and Kubiak. Essentially we have an information blackhole. We can certainly complain that "they" aren't drafting well, managing the cap, etc. but we really can't say X is responsible for Y choice.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Rick is there to do what McNair and the Head Coach need for him to do. In addition Rick is also responsible for overseeing the pro and college scouting departments. Along with organizing and operating the draft. That doesn't mean that Rick is making the draft picks. It means he orchestrates the draft from a standpoint that if McNair/O'Brien say trade down or move up Rick makes it happen. If O'Brien says he wants to target Nix with the next pick in the next round, Rick advises they may have to move up to get Nix. If O'Brien says do it, Rick makes it happen. If McNair/O'Brien says draft Clowney with the first pick, Rick makes happen. The only area where Rick Smith can really be held accountable and responsible is the performance of the scouting departments. And in mind, for that, Rick gets a C- or a D
a.k.a. the white elephant gift exchange game at the McNair Mansion every Christmas.
Smith is the Godfather to McNair's grandchild. I honestly believe that is an almost eternal 'get of of jail free' card for Rick.
Family and business are a bad mix. Most of us learn that lesson the hard way.
How a GM survives the Texans 2013 and 2014 draft classes is beyond logical comprehension....unless you factor in other intangibles like family relationships.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
playa465
Veteran
There is a guy on another forum (escapes me at the moment) who came up with data on prospects at OLB in which he utilized a "twitch" calculation. I wonder what that number was for Clowney in reference to COD ability.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Mario looked like an enormous bust his first year too (though he had a better one than Clowney). Sometimes it takes a year for coaches to get through to a guy that has been skating by on his natural ability since Pee Wee. Especially when he misses so much time.
Of the three QBs, Bortles is horse balls, JFF is riding the pine, though Teddy B is having a pretty good start. None of the tackle prospects have been great as far as the O-line goes. Watkins and Beckham look good, but they would still have Fitzmagic or Tommy Brady's personal assistant throwing them the ball.
Of the three QBs, Bortles is horse balls, JFF is riding the pine, though Teddy B is having a pretty good start. None of the tackle prospects have been great as far as the O-line goes. Watkins and Beckham look good, but they would still have Fitzmagic or Tommy Brady's personal assistant throwing them the ball.
Some of those players in the second paragraph will probably look a bit better if given the same "can't judge a rookie for one or two or three years" consideration we are supposed to give Clowney.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Can you imagine how much worse it'd be here had we taken a QB at 1 and he fell flat on his face like Bortles has. If you think people upset that Clowney has been injured and not productive, imagine what it'd be like after a Bortles 4 INT game. Heck is Robinson even starting yet in StL? Basically we were destinied to get no production from that slot.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
How the f'k does this keep happening to Houston where there is dubious or false/overhyped talent when we have #1?
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Jadeveon Clowney will get a free pass for a disappointing rookie season just because he tore his meniscus in the second quarter of the first game. That and plus every other illness or injury he's had since then. It's sort of turning into a redshirt season for him. We probably won't know what we have until next season (2015) but at least he's back on the field trying to gut it out as best he can.
I'm not going to label him a bust as I believe he's going to be a great player in the long run. The Texans have J.J. Watt locked up long term, we have Clowney signed for a long time. We have to keep building on this defense. Hopefully Brian Cushing is closer to his all pro form in 2015 as well. He's had his bright spots this season but for the most part he has been playing at a shadow of his former self.
2014 just hasn't been our year. We've been hit hard with unfortunate injuries and it seems like every time we attempt to turn the corner an ugly loss or two holds us back. But we've been dealing with a pretty difficult schedule up to this point. The Colts, Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, Browns (we won that game), Steelers all have a shot to make the playoffs. The Giants are having a bad season but they are pretty competitive at home. They gave the Cowboys a good game last night. It's not like we lost to any bad teams other than the Giants but that's deceiving to call them bad.
We're 5-6. We should be favored to beat the Titans and Jaguars during the next two games. Win both games and we'll at least still be in the playoff picture at 7-6 going into Indianapolis. We finally have Watt, Cushing and Clowney on the field at the same time. We need Kareem Jackson back. Our secondary still looks thin. Offensively we just need Arian Foster back.
Going into the next draft we can't ignore some secondary help. We tried to cover A.J. Green one on one with A.J. Bouye quite a few plays yesterday. Think about that for a second? At one point Green was smiling after another big catch while shouting out, "You better get somebody else on me." While Bouye made a couple good plays and has been a nice surprise this season he's not a shutdown corner capable of covering the best in the game.
I'm not going to label him a bust as I believe he's going to be a great player in the long run. The Texans have J.J. Watt locked up long term, we have Clowney signed for a long time. We have to keep building on this defense. Hopefully Brian Cushing is closer to his all pro form in 2015 as well. He's had his bright spots this season but for the most part he has been playing at a shadow of his former self.
2014 just hasn't been our year. We've been hit hard with unfortunate injuries and it seems like every time we attempt to turn the corner an ugly loss or two holds us back. But we've been dealing with a pretty difficult schedule up to this point. The Colts, Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, Browns (we won that game), Steelers all have a shot to make the playoffs. The Giants are having a bad season but they are pretty competitive at home. They gave the Cowboys a good game last night. It's not like we lost to any bad teams other than the Giants but that's deceiving to call them bad.
We're 5-6. We should be favored to beat the Titans and Jaguars during the next two games. Win both games and we'll at least still be in the playoff picture at 7-6 going into Indianapolis. We finally have Watt, Cushing and Clowney on the field at the same time. We need Kareem Jackson back. Our secondary still looks thin. Offensively we just need Arian Foster back.
Going into the next draft we can't ignore some secondary help. We tried to cover A.J. Green one on one with A.J. Bouye quite a few plays yesterday. Think about that for a second? At one point Green was smiling after another big catch while shouting out, "You better get somebody else on me." While Bouye made a couple good plays and has been a nice surprise this season he's not a shutdown corner capable of covering the best in the game.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
We've lost to a lot of playoff contenders this season. The only game we lost to a bad team (record wise) was against a head coach and quarterback who are two-time Super Bowl champions. I don't know if I'm ready to throw in the towel for the immediate future just because we are 5-6 right now. I don't recall the last time we played a tougher schedule up to this point in the season based on our opponent's winning percentage. And it's not like we had a healthy Jadeveon Clowney all season long or else things could have been different.
We have to look at the facts at the end of the day. Can we beat the Titans and Jaguars these next two games with Ryan Fitzpatrick at quarterback? That to me is all that matters right now. Not so much on what Clowney does or doesn't do. If we had played a cupcake schedule then perhaps I'd be more concerned but even then we'd still be harping on these injuries. It also seems silly to mention the fact that we are coming off a 2-14 season but yet we sit here and act like we should be making the playoffs. Which is part true. We're still in the mix at 5-6 and with plenty of losses to other playoff teams.
He better be in Blake Bortles face all day long's all I've got to say. I haven't been as harsh on him as others have so far, but the Jags have shown again & again they can't protect Bortles. I doubt that changes in the next two weeks.
If he's the guy the Texans said he is, he better make it a long, long day for Blake Bortles.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Leave that to the guy with the actual motor and desire to become and stay great by punishing quarterbacks----JJ Watt.
playa465
Veteran
Well they do have a choice to pass on the "talent". I only wish they would realize that there are other holes on this team besides DE/3-4 LB.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Charlie Palillo said that Clownee was offsides on the JJo pick 6, can you imagine the shitstorm if it would have been called?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I think most people not in zebra suits saw it.
I know right. To bad we can't be as lucky as the Colts going from Manning to Luck within 1 freaking year.
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