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JaDeveon Clowney
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It amazes me the amount of people who still think Clowney had only one injury.
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Well, he had the groin injury and the bone spurs. I don't recall - was there a concussion in there too? That's as many separate injuries as (partial) games played. This is off of the top of my head. I'm sure someone can correct the list.
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Cuz he wasn't the pick of choice for many
Or maybe because he's injury prone.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
You've mentioned injuries, but he missed all of two games in his college career to those injuries. Is this just a battle of semantics? Because players play nicked up all the time. It's not a concern until you start missing games. He missed two.
I think these have all been since he joined the Texans. He missed camp time and preseason games if I'm not mistaken. I don't have this all in my head; it would be nice if someone with the details could post a timeline. Anyway, I think 3-4 injuries in the few months he has been with the Texans is significant.
Some may discount the injuries because they happened in practice and didn't cost real games. They are still real injuries, and some may think getting multiple injuries in preseason gives pause for concern too, especially when looking at the big picture of his time with the Texans.
You mention "playing nicked up". By all accounts he'd be out there if he could, but he is injured not just nicked up.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
So then if all of these injuries and playing time missed have occurred after he was drafted, how would they have known on draft day that he was injury prone? Clearly Cal or Rick need to be fired for leaving the crystal ball back at the office on draft day.
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humblegeo
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I think this pretty much sums it up. "Looks like Tarzan, Plays like Jane." We got screwed. This guy plays one or two quarters of football and he's hurt.
How many years has JJ Watt played without major injury??? And I mean plays all out 100%!
We got screwed.
How many years has JJ Watt played without major injury??? And I mean plays all out 100%!
We got screwed.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Cuz he wasn't the pick of choice for many
NAILED IT!
So you really think you can project his entire career based on part of one season is that it? I bet you're fun at party's.
I thought we were discussing why people were calling him injury prone even though he "only had one injury".
And yes, Rick should be fired, but not because he doesn't have a crystal ball. Because he's a bad GM.
Many people like you were saying Mario looked like Tarzan played like Jane also...
Don't disguise your hate behind any facts or anything....
you'll be Clowney's biggest supporter after he gets a sack or two
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Clowney had a well-known issue of heel/bone spurs since High School that have never been treated. He missed some expected participation time in college due to lower limb issues.
What we know from Dr CND is the heel spurs can affect everything from heel through and up to the lower back.
We were assured Texans medical team were given complete access to all of JD's records and signed off on us drafting him #1 overall. Coaches/GMs just aren't qualified to make those kinds of medical assessments, so you have to trust your doctors.
Dr. CND wanted to see Clowney get those heel bone spurs removed as soon as we drafted him. Didn't happen.
As to why "injury prone" label? Well, 1) he has required double-hernia surgury, 2) had a concussion, 3) had partial lateral meniscectomy -- knee surgery) all within 6 months... so I think it's fair criticism for those who want to label JD injury prone.
The best ability is availability and Clowney has missed on that one. But calling him soft because he cannot prematurely return from knee surgery is, in my opinion, unfounded. Let's paint Patrick Willis (toe) and Navarro Bowman (knee injury 10 months ago) -- two of the best LBs in the league both missing much or all of 2013 -- with the same brush.
Because of the long and detailed education Dr CND has given me, I have little faith in the Texans medical staff and hope that O'Brien discovers and remedies this sooner rather than later.
Thanks for the rundown. Sounds like the staff could have known without a crystal ball (unless, of course, CnD does have a crystal ball).
Really looking forward to seeing the real Clowney in a real game. I'd like to see the real Cushing, too.
This Jayson Braddock seems to be a real insider with legit sources. He basically said the same thing early in the week while John "Hollywood" McClain said he knew nothing about Clowney bouncing back during the bye week and perhaps being ready to play in Cleveland. But now McClain seems to be up to speed
and also expects Clowney out there. He must be reading Braddock tweets himself ?
and also expects Clowney out there. He must be reading Braddock tweets himself ?
I've never understood why those bone spurs weren't taken care of when he had his hernia surgery since he was gonna miss time anyway
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I think Braddock obviously has an insider feeding him info. You'd think OB would want to put an end to this?
You're not going to see the real Cushing ever again. Stop kidding yourself.
As for Clowney, I'm looking forward to seeing that, too. (Since I've yet to see it)
Never. You can't bring me down, O Nabob ofNegativism.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
You are way to much of a realist to believe any different. Cush is nothing more than an average player at this point. All of these injuries makes it very unsurprising.
Guys don't just bounce back in one year from injuries like his and be all pro players in one year. Demeco Ryans is a good example of what to expect. It took him two years to get back to where he was prior to his injury.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I'd like to see them stop stunting him inside as much.
So that's very good news !
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...xans-win/acc62e69-bfaa-4125-b5f6-3d8f1e7dff00
So who says my guy JD isn't a factor in Texans games ? There it is right there, the Texans are unbeaten when JD suits up.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
On the surface, that's good new. However, remember he has probably been shot up again and was still feeling its "positive" effects. In the next few days, we will see if his knee flares up (increases pain and swelling) and sets him back any like it did after the Titans game (the Bye week helped mask the mal effects and allow additional rest/recovery to come back for the Browns game), or if his progress is now steady and unhindered.
Correlation does not imply causation.
Where is that "Not sure if serious" Joker face when you need one?
"All he does is win"
I thought I counted 4 or 5 times Joe Thomas held my boy JD yesterday, otherwise he has a couple sacks. Thomas got home-field no-calls all day long.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Let's just hope that JD doesn't become the answer to a trivia question.
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Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Play in a few more games Clownboy...
I don't think we're going to see what Clowney really has to offer the Texans until next season. He was injury prone and lacked motivation coming out of college, but the Texans chose him anyway so that they wouldn't look stupid if he turned out to be great. They knew the risk. At least with the new CBA we're not paying him a kings ransom like the Rams are still paying Sam Bradford.
silvrhand
All Pro
Joe Thomas is the best LT in the game right now, it's not surprising that Clowney didn't have a big game. If my memory serves me right, Joe Thomas has not given up a sack all year long.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1949453-br-nfl-1000-top-35-left-tackles/page/35
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1949453-br-nfl-1000-top-35-left-tackles/page/35
badboy
Hall of Fame
my concern is how often Cushing gets injured, seems to always be in recovery mode.
Agreed about next yr and the risk associated with picking Clowney.
Disagree with Clowney being injury prone in college. He missed 2 games in 3 yrs.
Seems that way the last couple of years. But it's not things like groin, or hammy, or back, or calf, or pec, or biceps... things that recur for no good reason. I'm sure if he's not rehabing correctly we may be seeing more of that in the future.
But for now, as long as no one shoots at his knees again, he ought to be alright. That's if he can get back to being close to the guy he was. I'm not deluded into thinking that he'll be the guy he was, but I'd like to know how close he can get to that guy before we make a decision on his future with the Texans.
Regardless what all the medical studies say... I want to see how close Cushing can get.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I don't care at this point. Cushing has been damaged goods for a while now. I love that guy's spirit on the field and he has been great at times, but hue is way to consistent at being inconsistently effective for this team. This will be 3 straight years where we barely got much out of Cushing now. He HAS TO GO. Cushing's injury concerns were exactly why I wanted Mack really bad in the draft. Your constant apologies for Clowney's issues in college last season haven't exactly stood well up to this point. He has been a waste this entire season. Most over hyped player I've ever seen next to Brian Bozworth. At least Bozworth was the total package in college though to justify it.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Cushing was good until he got hurt, stop me when you heard this one......The problem is, his contract does the team no favors either. We are stuck with him for a few more years, or he takes a pay cut, unlikely.
ghostlight
Veteran
I'm still on board with Clowney and hope he can continue to get playing time. I agree if he doesn't have a healing curve upwards we have a problem. Hope he doesn't set himself up for a serious injury forcing his pain threshold. We pay for the draft choice and roll the dice on injury. Cushing is a classic example as I never expected Charles to get a free shot at Cushings knee. I remember Dean Steinkuler getting his knee blown up in Dallas. I miss Joel Bushbaum and his uncanny draft ratings.
You're right we should just start cutting anyone who has more than one injury in their career. Freaking wussies getting hurt playing a pansy sport like professional football.
And Mack and Cushing don't even play the same position so why would cushings injuries make you want to draft Mack?
False Start
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The real JaDeveon Clowney:
The real JaDeveon Clowney:
Agreed.
Good thing we've got him for more than this one season. Hopefully he'll end up paying off.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
As expected.
Never draft a player without a motor. EVER.
We ****ing have JJ Watt. Never. Draft. A. Player. Without. A. Motor. Ever. Again.
It is hard to believe that the Texans, with so many glaring weaknesses on the roster, were still able to draft a player 1/1 who has had no positive impact on the team. This guy is the invisible man - and I don't need three years to figure that out.
Combine that with the production they have from the first pick of the second round, and the Texans are exhibiting a real talent in wasting valuable draft picks.
That Rick Smith - he's quite the GM.
Combine that with the production they have from the first pick of the second round, and the Texans are exhibiting a real talent in wasting valuable draft picks.
That Rick Smith - he's quite the GM.
revan
Waterboy
Clowney, XSF, CJ and Nix, Rick Smith for GM of the year folks. I would rather give Kevin Costner a shot.
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