Many on here were saying the same thing about KJ his first year.. js
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Many on here were saying the same thing about KJ his first year.. js
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
If Bob fires rick Smith he was worth it. Only good that come his pick at 1.1
TexansFight
Veteran
Aundray Bruce level bust. This was a horrific draft pick and should be the nail in the coffin and should be the end of the horrific Rick Smith era of Texans football.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Said it in another thread but it goes better here:
We ought to have a rule that you can't beotch about the GM and the top pick unless you posted against the selection before the draft.
We ought to have a rule that you can't beotch about the GM and the top pick unless you posted against the selection before the draft.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Agreed. If I cared that much I would go back and see who is riding both sides of the fence. But I dont.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I cant ***** about Clowney because he's not playing up to his talent? is that clowneys fault or the coaching staff's? i reserve the right to complain about a poor performance as a fan.
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Bad coaching was not letting Mercilus play more .
But wait, before this year Mercilus was a huge bust and waste of a pick also
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Barring an out of this world QB prospect, I don't understand teams not trading out of a top 5 pick... I would take a mid first rounder and a couple day 2 picks for it almost any year. This isn't basketball!
The Texans wouldn't have Watt if they were picking in the top 5... They wouldn't have AJ if they picked ahead of Detroit in 2003... Duane Brown was the last tackle on their board- after disastrous OL picks like Sam Baker and Chris Williams.
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
The problem is I can think Clowney is the best guy #1, and disagree with any number of other franchise decisions including coach, scheme, and the talent you put around him. I can be right about the player and other factors play into his performance. I reserve the right as a fan to be pissed with a subpar performance. If i cant, why bother watching? I also understand a guy like watt didnt become super human until the end of his rookie year. We havent gotten that far with jd yet. I rooted to pick him. How does that mean i cant ask for more?
Scooter
Funky
couldnt agree more. i'd take a weak deal if i could drop down out of those premium picks and add an extra couple of selections. more picks in the meat of the draft gives all that flexibility to move for targeted players and avoids the traditional 'boom or bust' types at the top.
that being said, i havent given up on clowney. i paid a bit of attention to him today and his trouble seems to be in his head. there were several times that he was obviously uncertain about his assignment and responsibility, often looking towards teammates at the snap. when he's set and fires off or holding the edge, he's going to be real good when the hands improved. he's just got to get healthy and have a MUCH firmer grasp on the playbook.
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Bad teams get rushed in player development or lack of . When you depend on rookies , you're in trouble .
TEXANRED
Texan-American
I'm glad I don't demand of myself what I do the players .
Yes but nobody pays hundreds of dollars to go watch you work.....unless you're a stripper. Are you?
If that was the philosophy of the teams, why would anyone want to trade up?
Wanting to trade down is fine and dandy, but you have to have a dance partner
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Does he love football? When an elite athlete plays 14 games his last season of college and only has 3 sacks, it is difficult to understand why... Seeing his incredible explosiveness during the preseason, I put that question aside. However, it is looking like we will only see that athleticism when the stars are aligned and he is not dealing with any ailments... By contrast, JJWatt had 22 sacks playing with a dislocated elbow in 2012. I am not convinced clown eh is a bust, but my worries are escalating.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
That is what happens when you take a guy who has played his entire career with his hand in the dirt. Babin had that exact same problem. He wasn't good till he went to Philly putting his hand back in the dirt.
We will see. It's too early to call him a bust. He did blow out his knee just a few months ago. If I am not mistaken knees are kinda important.
Thats untrue. Johnson was the Texans top rated player in 2003. Dewayne Robertson was #2.
ghostlight
Veteran
I see a player that is working his way into playing shape and learning the defensive calls. He played today on their left tackle and was handled like a rookie. Right now 59 is a better player than 90 however that roll will change.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
And you expected what out of a 2-14 team? We were already in trouble. Why shouldn't I ask for a new coaching regime to draft talent...especially when their at the head of the draft?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
eriadoc
Texan-American
What about those of us who wanted someone different without necessarily putting down Clowney? I wanted Watkins then, I want Watkins now. Second choice was one of the tackles.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Rick Smith sucks cause he fell to peer pressure
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Yes I'm a mail stripper for UPS .
I thought they drafted talent until they started playing . Of course next year they may look a lot better . It is what it is , a team that's average .
Playoffs
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Whaley having to answer questions now about trading future #1 for Sammy with the likes of Mike Evans, Odell Beckham, Jr., Kelvin Benjamin, Allen Robinson, and more behind him.
jaayteetx
All Pro
What?
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Peer pressure would have been Johnny Foosball .
For the record , my pick was Greg Robinson .
badboy
Hall of Fame
Dance partners were there, you just cannot ask them to overpay to dance with you. We have 1st round selections in Watt #11, Mercilus #26, Clowney#1, Cushing #15, KJ # 26 (Joseph was a first but not drafted by us but included as he was #24 by Bengals).
Defense over all:
First round good but not great Mario Williams #1, Dunta Robinson #10 and Babin #27 same year. All gone.
Poor first round no longer on team defense: Travis Johnson #16 and Okoye #10, both gone.
Offense: Carr #1, AJ #3 , Duane Brown #26 and Hopkins #27.
I would trade from top 15 every year.
leebigeztx
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I'm not gonna call him a bust already,but my film study of him are coming true. He has no cod and that's not call of duty either. He's a straight line guy. His quickness and burst are top shelf,but he can't transition from speed to power or vice versa. Look at guys like von miller,demarcus ware,and aldon smith and they were doing it as rookies. Merriman had it ,maybe it was the juice,but he had it. Kearse, had burst and his detrmination led him to sacks until he failed to have a counter. What I'm looking for in a pass rusher,he doesn't really have.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
The whole clowney is a once in a generation pass rusher. Could be next LT.
stingray
Hall of Fame
Winner winner chicken dinner..all great pash rushers showed something in their rookie years. This dude has produced as much as Richard Simmons.
thetexanator
Veteran
how can a guy that looked like such a sure thing look so baaad.
gresham manhandled him all game. even our own derek newton can stop this guy.
gresham manhandled him all game. even our own derek newton can stop this guy.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You and I and a few others are good. Just not fond of the bum rush that Smith was stupid to make the pick when it was the runaway favorite.
I still think the kid is special. He's going to be a good player. Worthy of that 1-1.
badboy
Hall of Fame
based on what..a hunch? Do you think recovery from his injuries and usual rookie maturation will improve? This is what i am hoping.
I wanted Matthews but was shouted down by the "nobody drafts a RT at 1-1" draftniks.
but we have Clowney now and O'Brien started out singing his praises. And he (O'Brien) still stands behind the pick. So I'm giving the kid more time. He had no camp, no preseason, and essentially, this is his second full game. Lack of camp, etc. shows; Clowney still looks a little lost out there to me.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Yeah, so at risk of derailing here, that mentality bugs the crap out of me. If you have the #1 pick, you should want to get the best player you can get. I understand that there's a sliding scale with positional importance, but nobody doubted Watkins would be a star. I still think he'll turn out to be the best WR in this draft class, and probably one of the top 3 or 4 for much of his career. Mike Evans is the only other guy from this draft class I'd put on level with him (and yes, I know what those other WRs have done). If we had the 2010 draft all over again, you damn well better believe it ought to be JJ Watt taken #1. But he wouldn't be, because people are fkn stupid enough to out-think themselves. The best player is worth the #1 pick. If you have two guys that are that close and one plays a critical position, OK there's your tiebreaker. But a DT like JJ Watt is better than a QB like Cam Newton. And a WR like Watkins is better than a DE like Clowney.
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I was encouraged by what little I saw of a healthy Clowney, so I'm not blasting the pick or the player, but I still would have taken Watkins.
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I wanted clown and IMO is still to early IMO that and it was pretty much the bonified No#1 the hole nation thought that
what bums me out tho is that Rick smith didn't say like screw everbody imma trade back no matter WHAT !!!!!!!!! and really gamble IMO
last year we should of forseen we were going into full blown rebuilding mode and stock pile has much picks has possible for 2015 we don't just need one player we need like 12 players good ones
with all that being said I still like Clown and Watt on my D line picckett is good put we need a younger MONster NT to take the Dline to another level next year IMO
what bums me out tho is that Rick smith didn't say like screw everbody imma trade back no matter WHAT !!!!!!!!! and really gamble IMO
last year we should of forseen we were going into full blown rebuilding mode and stock pile has much picks has possible for 2015 we don't just need one player we need like 12 players good ones
with all that being said I still like Clown and Watt on my D line picckett is good put we need a younger MONster NT to take the Dline to another level next year IMO
First it's because I like what the coaches have been able to do with Mercilus & Mohamed. I think they are both better players this year than they were last year & they're contributing to what's happening on defense.... quietly, but they're both making positive contributions.
Second, the kid wants to play. I know his motivation & heart are questioned around here, but watching him on the sideline today & against the Titans, the kid wants to be on the field.
Third, still looks to be pretty quick off the line. Maybe not as explosive as before his injury, but still pretty quick.
Odell Beckham Jr just made the sickest catch I've ever seen.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Khalil Mack would look pretty good on this defense.
eriadoc
Texan-American
The exclamation points confused me. Were you actually attempting to use punctuation?
Still don't think the USA is a hole nation. JMO.
Norg
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the USA is in decline but the are a lot more countries Farrrrrrrr worse in decline JMO
but that's a hole nother story
We rub some people the wrong way... we're an acquired taste.
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Zach Martin could be a pro bowl guard . Who wanted him ?
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