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thunderkyss said:
I bet they were feeling out the deal with New England. If they felt good about it happening, they were going to pass on a QB early, get Mallett & a QB at the top of the 5th.

If they could have got Mallett to sign a four year deal, we'd have had him back then.

I think they had everything worked out with New England already & Mallett was the hold up. So they felt good about making it happen & went with Clowney.

Not that they think Mallett is better than Bortles or anything like that, but they probably felt they could win sooner with Mallett & that's what Bob wanted.
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If that were the case I believe that Mallett would've been a Texan long before August 31st, the week before the season started and New England had to make final cuts to get to the 53 man roster.
 
Texian said:
If that were the case I believe that Mallett would've been a Texan long before August 31st, the week before the season started and New England had to make final cuts to get to the 53 man roster.
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Unless Ryan Mallett was absolutely against signing a long-term deal 7 locking in his future earnings. He had waited three years to audition for a starting gig... & we weren't going to give him the money he wanted with no real game time.
 
IDEXAN said:
I don't think for a minute that McNair had much to do with that decision, and I'd bet that Billy made sure of that before he signed on with McNair as his new HC.
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IMHO I don't think any head coach has in their contract language that stipulates they can override any decision made by the owner at anytime including draft picks. Not going to happen. No owner is going to allow that to happen. If a coach demands it, he ain't coaching.

now on to pictures tell the story...

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Bob, "lets Draft Clowney, you know what to do, make it happen Rick"

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thunderkyss said:
Unless Ryan Mallett was absolutely against signing a long-term deal 7 locking in his future earnings. He had waited three years to audition for a starting gig... & we weren't going to give him the money he wanted with no real game time.
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That's pretty wild speculation
 
JB said:
That's pretty wild speculation
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I don't know... no one would have been happy giving up a third, even a fourth without a long term contract.

Matt Schaub was worth two 2nd round picks + six years $48M he had one good performance & a couple so-so ones. There was no connection between Schaub & anyone on our coaching staff.

Doesn't make sense not to spend a third, or even next year's third to get Mallett. The hang-up had to be on the contract.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't know... no one would have been happy giving up a third, even a fourth without a long term contract.

Matt Schaub was worth two 2nd round picks + six years $48M he had one good performance & a couple so-so ones. There was no connection between Schaub & anyone on our coaching staff.

Doesn't make sense not to spend a third, or even next year's third to get Mallett. The hang-up had to be on the contract.
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or... they just didn't agree that paying that was the thing to do. Before the draft, maybe they thought they could get a qb, maybe OB knew the price would come down, maybe he really thought Mallett wasn't worth it and it took Godsey months to talk him into it. Maybe it took OB months to talk RS into it.

We just don't know all the facts man, it's all wild speculation. Yours is a possibility, but there are others as well
 
JB said:
or... they just didn't agree that paying that was the thing to do. Before the draft, maybe they thought they could get a qb, maybe OB knew the price would come down, maybe he really thought Mallett wasn't worth it and it took Godsey months to talk him into it. Maybe it took OB months to talk RS into it.

We just don't know all the facts man, it's all wild speculation. Yours is a possibility, but there are others as well
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Yes... speculation. Mine fits with the "Not a rebuild" mantra.

Signing Fitz doesn't. Drafting a rookie doesn't fit. At least they don't fit with "win now"
 
thunderkyss said:
Yes... speculation. Mine fits with the "Not a rebuild" mantra.

Signing Fitz doesn't. Drafting a rookie doesn't fit. At least they don't fit with "win now"
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McNair also said he wasn't concerned with the QB situation and backed off on the rebuilding comment ... :kitten:

I think we’re a pretty solid team and we’ve got our core players who are still around who are outstanding. That’s why I said I just thought we need to fill in some holes, which we have done, but you aren’t going out and completely tearing the team up and rebuilding it from scratch. That’s not the case at all."
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PapaL said:
So. How's Clowney's knee?
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Won't get back to ~100% until the offseason. Brought him back too soon -- stuck a needle in it -- now paying the price. Missed practice again today with it, which makes you wonder if they're having to drain it? More surgery offseason?
 
thunderkyss said:
Unless Ryan Mallett was absolutely against signing a long-term deal 7 locking in his future earnings. He had waited three years to audition for a starting gig... & we weren't going to give him the money he wanted with no real game time.
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I don't know why anyone would've signed Mallet to a long term deal when they don't know what they have in short term. The reality of the situation is Mallett had no say in whether he was traded or not. You think Belichick would say, Oh you don't want to be traded Ryan so I won't trade you? NOT! You're over thinking this.
 
Texian said:
I don't know why anyone would've signed Mallet to a long term deal when they don't know what they have in short term. The reality of the situation is Mallett had no say in whether he was traded or not. You think Belichick would say, Oh you don't want to be traded Ryan so I won't trade you? NOT! You're over thinking this.
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Mallett's expressed unwillingness to re-sign with NE definitely impacted his trade value. And he did have some practical control over whether he would be traded to a team by saying the same thing to a potential trade partner - "I will not re-sign with you."
 
We don't need Clowney to beat the Titans or Jaguars. Let him rest up for the big game at Indianapolis on December 14. It's easy to say "put him on IR" but the season still has a pulse to it. The Texans are not out of the playoff picture just yet,
 
IR sounds good to me. Jadeveona just seems like she's looking for reasons not to play. Mercilus was coming around and actually kicking some ass. Just put the clown down for the year and let her try and come back next season...lets just hope she doesnt get some sand in the you know what in the offseason.
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Jerome Solomon @JeromeSolomon
I will not criticize Jadeveon Clowney for not playing on a surgically-repaired, swollen knee that causes him a lot of pain. #aintmyknee
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Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
Clowney sought Cushing out for help during warmups Sunday. "I told him before the game my knee was bothering me during the week." #Texans

he played 49 plays with tons of pain Sunday #Texans RT>>>>>he has not proven he will play with any pain.

"I’m kind of surprised. I thought it would have been over. I thought it’d be back to where it was by now." Clowney said. #Texans

yeah, sounds like the setback was during the game. #Texans RT>>>>>he said he felt great last week..

Jadeveon Clowney admitted today he's in a lot of pain. Knee has been swelling. Said he's had a setback. #Texans
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mussop said:
If that's the case then 30 other teams that would of taken him at #1 look like complete idiots too. The only team that might of passed on him was Jacksonville because they were in love with Bortles. They aren't looking to smart right now. And since you are suggesting we could of solved our QB problem instead of drafting Clowney why don't you fill us in on exactly how that would of worked. :smiliepalm:
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I'll swing on the bolded as IIRC I made note of a trade to Miami. Let's say #1 to Dolphins who take Greg Robinson and we at #19 take the guy I mocked as an OT for us Ja'Wuan James, 2nd round #50 (original before trading to SD for #57) we go QB Garoppolo. More than likely we could have gotten a bit more for #1 but we resolve two positions plus having the 4th round comp pick # 135 for? Maybe DE Taylor Hart Oregon 6'6" 280 stats Ts 75 6 for loss with 3.5 sacks. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664845/taylor-hart
 
Ugh a QB would be nice right about now and not having to deal with Clowneys injury while still having Barwin, that would be greeeaaat.

Too early to tell but still.
 
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Jerome Solomon @JeromeSolomon


Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
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Clowney's season of frustration knows no end

By John McClain
November 27, 2014 Updated: November 27, 2014 11:24pm



Texans outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney (90), who was in on about 60 percent of the defensive plays against Cincinnati on Sunday, has not been able to practice this week because of swelling in his surgically repaired knee.

There are two players I feel bad for as the Texans prepare for Sunday's game against Tennessee.

1   Quarterback Ryan Mallett, who suffered a season-ending torn pectoral muscle and lost his opportunity to show coach Bill O'Brien he could be the long-term answer.

1   Outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney, who continues to experience problems with his surgically repaired knee, forcing him to play in pain and be a shell of what he was before the injury.

After talking with several persons familiar with the situation and listening to Clowney answer questions from reporters Thursday, there is no doubt he is hurting and trying to play through the pain.

After playing a season-high 49 snaps or 60 percent of the plays in Sunday's 22-13 loss to Cincinnati, Clowney has not been able to practice this week.

When asked about the chances he will play against the Titans, he said, "Slim, right now."

I'm sure Clowney is tired of answering the same questions about his knee. The truth is he doesn't know what is going to happen with it. He hopes that rest and rehabilitation will make it 100 percent.

The last thing he wants is to undergo more arthroscopic surgery.

Unlike some people locally and nationally, I don't think Clowney is a wimp or can't play with pain. He has been playing with pain. He hasn't been playing more because there is swelling in his knee.

"When the swelling comes up, there's a little setback," he said. "You push it and push it, and it swells, and you let it go back down. I'm just trying to get it back to where it was before I got hurt."

It is obvious to anyone who watched Clowney play against Cincinnati that he lacks the quickness and explosiveness he had before he suffered the injury in the season-opening victory over Washington.

Imagine Clowney's frustration with his inability to explode off the line of scrimmage, close on the quarterback with cheetah-like quickness or chase down plays with the speed of a wide receiver. That is the God-given ability that helped him become the first pick in the draft.
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Nobody likes to be less than they can be, including a rookie with enormous pressure on him because he was billed as a once-in-a-generation pass rusher.

Clowney on Thursday was asked how his knee feels.

"A lot of pain right now," he said. "It's been bothering me off and on the whole season.

"It's been tough not being able to play. I'm doing what I can to help the team win. That's the hard part about it. It's keeping me from doing a lot of the things I could do before I got hurt."

Before the Cincinnati game, Clowney reached out to inside linebacker Brian Cushing for advice. Pain has been Cushing's constant companion since he suffered season-ending knee injuries - as well as a fractured fibula - in 2012 and 2013.

Cushing has a good idea what Clowney is going through - mentally as well as physically.

"I told him before the game my knee was bothering me," Clowney said. "He said, 'Come over here and do some warm-ups I do.'

"It's some stuff I'd never done. He's had a few injuries, so he knows how to get it going. I followed his lead. It helped a lot. It loosened (knee) up for me."

But now Clowney is sidelined after suffering another setback.

"It's taking some time," he said. "I'm kind of surprised. I thought it would be back to where it was by now."

At this point of the season, it is obvious to just about everyone Clowney won't be the same player the Texans drafted until next season.
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This was all predictable........maybe not to fans, but should have definitely been to those directing his rehab. The signs, as I have laid them out over the past few months were all there for anyone surgically knowledgeable. You don't first pick a time table and force the issue........you let the individual body's response direct the progression of the rehab. In this case, Clowney's body was screaming, "Something's not right for me to advance to the next stage."........Yet those who should have listened and known better turned a deaf {and dumb) ear..........not unlike the case of Mallet.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This was all predictable........maybe not to fans, but should have definitely been to those directing his rehab. The signs, as I have laid them out over the past few months were all there for anyone surgically knowledgeable. You don't first pick a time table and force the issue........you let the individual body's response direct the progression of the rehab. In this case, Clowney's body was screaming, "Something's not right for me to advance to the next stage."........Yet those who should have listened and known better turned a deaf {and dumb) ear..........not unlike the case of Mallet.
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Methodist medicine... they're not practicing it, they're leading it.

the only consistent thing about the Texans since their inception has been the medical team and it has been consistently bad

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CloakNNNdagger said:
This was all predictable........maybe not to fans, but should have definitely been to those directing his rehab. The signs, as I have laid them out over the past few months were all there for anyone surgically knowledgeable. You don't first pick a time table and force the issue........you let the individual body's response direct the progression of the rehab. In this case, Clowney's body was screaming, "Something's not right for me to advance to the next stage."........Yet those who should have listened and known better turned a deaf {and dumb) ear..........not unlike the case of Mallet.
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i sadly ask this in earnest, has our medical staff gotten anything right ... ever? it seems we have bud kilmer from varsity blues as our leading physician. "shoot him up and get his ass back out there!".

we've all been fans of yours for years doc, and your assessments have been spot on 9.9 times out of 10 ... most notably when they contradict what the texans' medical staff is doing. at what point does some sort of oversight come into play? we've extended 2 major contracts after injury, with the only logical assumption being a fantastic prognosis from the medical staff. and then we see issues like cushing and clowney where the players' health is neither being honestly reported nor honestly rehabilitated.

will there come a point where these medical issues are properly addressed? or is this just standard procedure across the league? asking that, i'm leaning to the latter since THE 'doctor james andrews' was front and center with throwing RG3 into the mix obviously prematurely.
 
Clowney's rookie season has been frustrating but we need the big guy in a couple of weekends. I'd rather he sit and rest that swollen knee a few more games against the Titans and Jaguars. Games we can definitely win without him. When we try to finally beat the Colts at Indy, for the first time in franchise history, to reach 8-6 he can become very much a part of a late season playoff run. If things go well NRG Stadium could be rockin' and as lively as ever for those final two home games against the Ravens and Jaguars.

We'll need Clowney to play through the pain and step it up. Amp it up a notch against the Colts and Ravens, in particular. I'm not giving up on Clowney making a difference as a rookie just yet. Everybody wants to put him on IR. Not so fast guys. Let the man rest a few more games. We're going to need him to play at a high level in order to beat the Colts and Ravens. To reach 10-6 isn't impossible. I wish other fans had my belief that this team can get it done. It all starts on Sunday against the Titans. It may not be pretty but an ugly win is still better than a pretty loss. We've had too many pretty losses this season.
 
how to create a 1st round bust ...

Bulls on Parade said:
We'll need Clowney to play through the pain and step it up.
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am i the only one who plans to be a fan of the team the following year? maybe i'm just too young, at 34 years old i assume the luxury of watching the texans play for decades. some need to cripple first round picks in spite of a busted season to mark their end of days.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:

Clowney's season of frustration knows no end

By John McClain
November 27, 2014 Updated: November 27, 2014 11:24pm

This was all predictable........maybe not to fans, but should have definitely been to those directing his rehab. The signs, as I have laid them out over the past few months were all there for anyone surgically knowledgeable. You don't first pick a time table and force the issue........you let the individual body's response direct the progression of the rehab. In this case, Clowney's body was screaming, "Something's not right for me to advance to the next stage."........Yet those who should have listened and known better turned a deaf {and dumb) ear..........not unlike the case of Mallet.
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Let us not forget that O'Brien ran Foster into the ground with meaningless carries at the end of our first game when Foster had to lay off most of the pre-season due to injury.

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Looks like JD will be missing another game, and it seems like they should just IR him now and let him get started on his rehab, but I dunno enough about these things to really know what's best ? Well atleast JD got some experience playing OLB in RAC's 3-4 this season and a real intro to the NFL.
As far as claims that he's a wimp because he couldn't play with his knee this year, I know that I missed quite a lot of time in my limited football career as a LB because of a groin pull so I'm sympathetic to his situation which I would think is probably far worse and more severe that what I had. It would be interesting to hear personal memories on the kinds of injuries others had and how they were able to cope ?
 
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No. 1 overall draft pick Jadeveon Clowney hasn't made much of an impact on the field in three games since returning from his knee injury. Now he could be on the sidelines once again.

Clowney told reporters Thursday he suffered a setback last week and indicated he would have a slim chance of playing Sunday against the Tennessee Titans. Texans coach Bill O'Brien didn't sound amused upon learning Clowney's comments.

"I don't know. Dr. Clowney, I'll reconvene with him and see how he's doing," O'Brien said.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported earlier this month that Texans coaches were frustrated with Clowney for not returning as soon as hoped from injury. They were hoping to see more "maturity" of him. O'Brien disputed the notion that Clowney had a setback.

"He's improved, no question about it. He's definitely improved. He'll keep getting better and better, the more experienced that he gets," O'Brien said.
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Doc, I know you're not part of the staff, so there's no way you'd know for sure, but given that, do you think Clowney's knee is actually swelling up, or is Clowney just saying that it is?

Because if it's the latter, that would explain two things. Why OB is unhappy with him, and why they haven't IR'd him.
 
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Marcus said:
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Doc, I know you're not part of the staff, so there's no way you'd know for sure, but given that, do you think Clowney's knee is actually swelling up, or is Clowney just saying that it is?

Because if it's the latter, that would explain two things. Why OB is unhappy with him, and why they haven't IR'd him.
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Why is the link you posted associated with the Ferguson verdict???
Where is the link to the O'Brien quote??
 
CloakNNNdagger said:

Clowney's season of frustration knows no end

By John McClain
November 27, 2014 Updated: November 27, 2014 11:24pm





This was all predictable........maybe not to fans, but should have definitely been to those directing his rehab. The signs, as I have laid them out over the past few months were all there for anyone surgically knowledgeable. You don't first pick a time table and force the issue........you let the individual body's response direct the progression of the rehab. In this case, Clowney's body was screaming, "Something's not right for me to advance to the next stage."........Yet those who should have listened and known better turned a deaf {and dumb) ear..........not unlike the case of Mallet.
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This is the Texans pulling a Jerry Jones. Remember a few years back when Larry Allen was hurt and sitting on the sideline and we saw Jerry in the guys ear about how he needed to play through the pain and get back in the game? Or when Jay Ratliff was about to turn Jones into dust for the same thing?

Or this could be about something more, the field and the lawsuit. If Clowney does, (and should) go on IR this gives the lawsuit even more validation.

I think Clowney at this point is a victim of being the #1 pick and caught in the middle of a lawsuit. He needs to be shut down before further injury occurs and start looking at next year.

Oh and fire Rick Smith. Go Texans.
 
Scooter said:
how to create a 1st round bust ...



am i the only one who plans to be a fan of the team the following year? maybe i'm just too young, at 34 years old i assume the luxury of watching the texans play for decades. some need to cripple first round picks in spite of a busted season to mark their end of days.
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You can watch the Texans play for decades but you'll likely develop the personality of a Cubs fan while doing so.
 
Scooter said:
i sadly ask this in earnest, has our medical staff gotten anything right ... ever? it seems we have bud kilmer from varsity blues as our leading physician. "shoot him up and get his ass back out there!".

we've all been fans of yours for years doc, and your assessments have been spot on 9.9 times out of 10 ... most notably when they contradict what the texans' medical staff is doing. at what point does some sort of oversight come into play? we've extended 2 major contracts after injury, with the only logical assumption being a fantastic prognosis from the medical staff. and then we see issues like cushing and clowney where the players' health is neither being honestly reported nor honestly rehabilitated.

will there come a point where these medical issues are properly addressed? or is this just standard procedure across the league? asking that, i'm leaning to the latter since THE 'doctor james andrews' was front and center with throwing RG3 into the mix obviously prematurely.
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In many previous posts over the years, I've addressed this "conflict of interest" inherent with team doctors, their players, their coaches, their dependence of their boss' annual large financial dispensations, and the great notoriety and additional referrals that they receive in their private practices due to the "prestige" of their position, their own fandom of their home team..........and of course, if there is anything left over for the Hippocratic oath of the profession. Some doctors handle these relationships more ethically than other. Some organizations probably allow their team doctors to "evaluate" injuries, but make it understood that they can over-ride physician decisions. Other organizations will more closely support their doctors' pro-patient approach. And even others will hire doctors only with the understanding they are there for the sole purpose of making decisions that will favor getting the player on the field, come Hell or high water. Over the years, I hate to say, it seems that the Texans, for whatever reasons of which one may be desperation, have more closely followed the path of the latter category.

And as far as coaches claiming "ignorance" of the patient's medical conditions because they are not doctors and rely on the medical staff (but not see what we all see), this can only be interpretted as an excuse to push the player, with not having to take any responsibility for the consequences to that player.

The only way I see this culture changing is with an organization of totally independent physicians that annually anonymously reviews every player injury, with all of their doctor's notes and testing results made available........for the purpose of "oversight" of a situation (conflict of interest) that has been repeatedly put to the side. All of us in private practice must submit to performance review and oversight on a regular basis.........why should this not be the case with team doctors?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
In many previous posts over the years, I've addressed this "conflict of interest" inherent with team doctors, their players, their coaches, their dependence of their boss' annual large financial dispensations, and the great notoriety and additional referrals that they receive in their private practices due to the "prestige" of their position, their own fandom of their home team..........and of course, if there is anything left over for the Hippocratic oath of the profession. Some doctors handle these relationships more ethically than other. Some organizations probably allow their team doctors to "evaluate" injuries, but make it understood that they can over-ride physician decisions. Other organizations will more closely support their doctors' pro-patient approach. And even others will hire doctors only with the understanding they are there for the sole purpose of making decisions that will favor getting the player on the field, come Hell or high water. Over the years, I hate to say, it seems that the Texans, for whatever reasons of which one may be desperation, have more closely followed the path of the latter category.

And as far as coaches claiming "ignorance" of the patient's medical conditions because they are not doctors and rely on the medical staff (but not see what we all see), this can only be interpretted as an excuse to push the player, with not having to take any responsibility for the consequences to that player.

The only way I see this culture changing is with an organization of totally independent physicians that annually anonymously reviews every player injury, with all of their doctor's notes and testing results made available........for the purpose of "oversight" of a situation (conflict of interest) that has been repeatedly put to the side. All of us in private practice must submit to performance review and oversight on a regular basis.........why should this not be the case with team doctors?
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We have a tale of two injuries , Clowney and Mallett . One tried to suck it up and played poorly in winnable game , trying to show his grit . The other flashed well in the preseason , got hurt , and is not the same . A speed rusher with a bad knee and a QB with a bad arm are not any good to his team .

You said you thought Clowney should have had an overhaul and sit out the year after the hernia . With more time to evaluate , do you think he needs to shut it down and get everything fixed ? Do you think the Texans should stop extending contracts after major injuries ( Cushing & Schaub ) ? Is this a sign that the don't put enough emphasis on injuries ? Do players with this freakish athleticism get hurt more ?
 
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We have a tale of two injuries , Clowney and Mallett . One tried to suck it up and played poorly in winnable game , trying to show his grit . The other flashed well in the preseason , got hurt , and is not the same . A speed rusher with a bad knee and a QB with a bad arm are not any good to his team .

You said you thought Clowney should have had an overhaul and sit out the year after the hernia .

At the time of the hernia revelation, I was hoping that they would have addressed his bone spurs as well as any hip problems (which are so commonly associated with sports hernias). Time lost would only be determined after treatments pursued and postoperative progression observed.

With more time to evaluate , do you think he needs to shut it down and get everything fixed ?

Again, the team doctors have made a determination not to address anything other than his post meniscus surgery situation. As long as he has continued swelling, rest is mandatory. There is no reason to not believe Clowney when he is quoted as saying he indeed has swelling of his knee.........this is not a subjective finding and would readily be evident to any doctor or trainer with access to him.

Do you think the Texans should stop extending contracts after major injuries ( Cushing & Schaub ) ?

Yes. Especially since these have not been structured on the basis of incentives and ability to perform to a certain level.

Is this a sign that the don't put enough emphasis on injuries ?

This is a sign of short-sidedness at many levels.

Do players with this freakish athleticism get hurt more ?

No pattern as such, to my knowledge, has been recognized.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
And as far as coaches claiming "ignorance" of the patient's medical conditions because they are not doctors and rely on the medical staff (but not see what we all see), this can only be interpretted as an excuse to push the player, with not having to take any responsibility for the consequences to that player.
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This is the issue that bugs me most of all. Is it that O'Brien simply does not care about the health of his players?
 
ObsiWan said:
This is the issue that bugs me most of all. Is it that O'Brien simply does not care about the health of his players?
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I don't think that's the case. But the "Dr. Clowney" comment tells me that he thinks Clowney is "insincere" about his knee. He also doesn't like him talking to the press about it.

Personally, I think the both of them have a little diarrhea of the mouth going on.
 
Marcus said:
I don't think that's the case. But the "Dr. Clowney" comment tells me that he thinks Clowney is "insincere" about his knee. He also doesn't like him talking to the press about it.

Personally, I think the both of them have a little diarrhea of the mouth going on.
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I don't recall Belichick taking tacky-assed cheap shots at his players like this. Maybe he did, I just don't recall hearing about it.
 
ObsiWan said:
I don't recall Belichick taking tacky-assed cheap shots at his players like this. Maybe he did, I just don't recall hearing about it.
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Wow! You must have been reading my mind. I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing. Belichick wouldn't have done that. That's going to come back and bite him in the ass.

I can just see all the "PAGING DR. CLOWNEY" signs in the stands this Sunday. :rolleyes:
 
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